What's the equilibrium point on male sexlessness?

WilliamWyattD · 2022-01-04T19:00:39+00:00

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hungarian_builder · 2022-01-04T19:47:28+00:00

It's not about what percent. It's about when the important groups of society get depressed and "trashed" because of sexlessness. Male sexlessness can lead to two things: 1. War, to conquer and have new women for yourself, because the other males died etc... 2. Dictatorships. What does stand in the way of a would be dictator, if all of the police, army and other goverment entities are operated by men who live a miserable life? Who do you think they will side with? Someone who makes their life miserable by enabling rampant promiscuity, or the one who promises a normal life? If you think this could not happen, look in the past. Weimar germany specificly.

AtomicMGTOW · 2022-01-04T23:48:02+00:00

Women will be back when they want/need something. The narcissist, the child, the woman, only do the bare minimum to achieve their goal and then they are done with you until they need/want (I call it newant) something. I call something a newant when it's a combination of both. Like this - we NEED food or we die.

When we NEWANT something, it's like a combination. A woman doesn't NEED to have children, but they want children. They want them so fucking bad it's like a primal need, almost on the level of food (if you asked their desire).

My grandmother was a perfect example. Grew up on a farm in the depression. Moved to Ontario, got a factory job at General Motors. She really couldn't stand men until she needed something. For example, my mom and her sister arrived home one day from high school and the door was locked. A while later the 'oil man' came out and the furnace was working. Yada yada yada, she fucked the oil man in return for him fixing the furnace because she 1. couldn't do it herself, 2. couldn't afford to fix it (or was unwilling to pay) when she can 3. just fuck the guy for the repair.

As long as a woman's base needs are met, she's not going to play nice/democratic/negotiable with a man. This has been the goal of 'liberating' women all along. Setup a system where the more competent are made to feel guilty so the government can take their taxes and feed the less competent. It all sounds great until you realize that those that need the system to survive are also granted the exact same rights as those that are competent - even more if you really look how women are prioritized.

Men see the advantage women have when it comes to reproduction. All the other tangible things in this world can be divided up and spread around but women are desired for sex and reproduction and NO ONE is going to force them to spread that around. This gives them the ultimate control. I'm not putting forth the idea that women should be forced to do anything but that doesn't mean the imbalance isn't there. It remains and women want it that way. All things being equal, women will always have that advantage.

The only time they are going to bring a man around is when he can do something they can't. And this isn't saying that "women can't fix a furnace", hell, maybe she's a HVAC tech but if she earns enough money, maybe to her, having someone else fix the furnace makes more sense if it allows her to do something else, even if that means fixing other people furnaces. Example: I CAN get all the ingredients and make a pretty sweet pizza, but, even if I make scratch pizza all day, sometimes I'll just order out... it's all cost/benefit.

The reason women can do this is because hey, if they do decide they want to fuck, whether it be just for fun or if she wants to get pregnant, she has access to that where as most men don't.

No, I'm not saying your average women can go find her Brad Pitt and get pregs... but in all reality, if a woman spent a couple months prowling bars, she could find a guy that would look a lot like him and she can do her thing and at least get him to come home and fuck her one night.

Due to all of this, everything is going to get more transaction and more instantly transaction... just like going into the store to buy a pack of gum. I hand over the $1.50 and I get to choose my pack of gum and when I'm done, I'm out. I don't have to have a relationship with the shop owner. I mean, maybe I'll be polite but as long as I'm not rude, they're going to sell me the gum because they aren't there to make friends they are there to make money.

This dynamic ALWAYS had the ability to make men work harder... to raise the bar so-to-speak.... However, because hypergamy floats (the more she has, the more she wants) there was always going to be a point where men just started saying "fuck it". As far as I can tell, we're there... not sure how deep or how long it will last, but we're in it.

Even a female 5 can play it right and get a male 7+ to come fuck her. So we're going to see more "hobo-sexuals". These are guys women desire sexually and will even provide for them - even if it's the cute loser that comes by for sex and smokes during a dry spell... and the female will pay that price if she's got a chance of having his child which, in one way or another, keeps him around. The idea of the guy that went out for a pack of smokes and didn't come back is garbage. These women will always keep tabs on him and use the children to draw him back (or he will yearn to see the kids) from time to time.

The only things men can do, if they still want a chance as access to sex/reproduction is 1. be hot 2. provide resources and utility - in this case, he needs to be able to provide more than she can get for herself otherwise, #1 is his only option. We'd like to think that there would still be a subset of women that are really ready and willing to bet on a guy early on and commit herself to him but yeah, let's face it... one day he'll fart and she'll moan and it will be the beginning of the end.

So in the end, we're back to where we began.. where it all began. Women will ONLY be co-operative with a man based on context. Men's only saving grace (outside of being hot) is that were are more interested in things than we are people so we will continue to do the dirty, hard, technical, jobs that keep the lights on and the furnace burning. We'll drive the trucks and dig the ditches and women will believe they will all be bosses and work in offices.

When some of (a lot of) these women inevitably fail (which will be later and later in their lives, meaning you only get the scraps of her neotany, SMV, fecundity), then, and only then will men get access. However, most of them will be so damaged and anxious and depressed (all completely normal feelings when it hits that they can't survive on their own) will they come around. I'm 46. Drive truck. Women my age are falling apart. So much anxiety and depression and damage. Some are either still hanging on by a fingernail to get the best of both Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks. And the rest are so resentful that they'd "have to fuck a guy like me" that they'll spend the rest of their lives in their resentment - blaming the patriarchy, of course.

Don't blame 'patriarchy' blame 'competence'. All men have, past HOT, is competence. In a way, that's all anyone ever had. But plenty of women, bathed in sexual attention from 15-29, never developed anything resembling competence. Maybe a stupid bachelor degree in History which, apparently, they didn't learn anything from.

Men, we'll keep doing what we do. Building, maintaining, and repairing everything that keeps the world moving. We'll be alright.

The only thing that would really snap everything back in order isn't a collapse of civilization. Women would actually have to WANT to love and co-operate with men. But that's no coming anytime soon because there will always be another batch of entitled hypergamous women to come and the 5th, 6th, 7th, etc... generation of men, raised by women, to simp for pussy.

Don't worry though, when ACTUAL starvation and strife happen (eg. war), the men will be so simpified the men will die and the women will be taken as sex slaves. They'll blame men for being wimps of course... never admitting they were steering the whole time.

Stunning-Spirit5275 · 2022-01-04T19:49:37+00:00

On a broader scale, I expect more men to become conservatives. Ironically, by trying to end the patriarchy, feminists are actually promulgating it

SoullessNonHuman · 2022-01-04T18:46:41+00:00

Being sexless fucks with your mental health. Im not even talking about the odd hookup here and there. going without it forever. many people on /r/virgin are suicidal , shit even me many times. but all it takes is one person to snap and take their anger out on others. thankfully i dont have that urge, but theres probably some out there planning an attack for society never wanting them. ah but if you're sexless you have lower respect in social circles no doubt or just society. atleast for men, cant speak to women. "sex is overrated" yea if that were the case people would maybe shutup about it. but yea, i mean i guess in normie terms going without sex for a few weeks or months is called being sexless

logiauser · 2022-01-04T19:18:02+00:00

Danger to society will be secondary. Men don’t even care about fighting anymore. Nihilism is the future. Lying flat, grass eaters, with their PS4/5s.

Economic malaise and collapse will result. Since being a single man is incredibly cheap, there will be little incentive for men to be productive.

Decent_Foundation_62 · 2022-01-04T20:08:01+00:00

I don't know what that level is but the next century will be won by the societies that figure out how to keep men motivated and involved and the rest will decline in relative terms or adopt the strategies of the successful.

Beginning_Proof_2160 · 2022-01-04T19:11:48+00:00

nobody gives a f about men at this time, everything is about women, wait for a couple more years when all the boys of single mothers become teenagers and we will have big increase in crime and then obviously the feminists are going to blame men, the modern society is designed to destroy masculanity

DaMilan · 2022-01-04T19:14:46+00:00

Do you think there is some level of effective male sexlessness that could be dangerous for society?

Well I think there is but its really, really hard to say what it would be. Depends on many other factors. Is (good) porn aviable? Good other copes like video games and drugs? How is it rubbed into under the sexless mens noses, how is the culture?

In the West already 30%+ of guys are Incels, yet there is no political platform, no party which caters to their demand. Japan is even higher and there still is no incel movement so to speak of.

I mean, at some point, something has to happen. I can't imagine 70% plus of guys beeing incels and this not causing havoc, in one way or another - maybe only if we have really good VR, but at this point, beeing an Incel isn't that much of a factor which affects your quality of life, so most won't care.

So, though to say what would happen, we can only speculate, but I think it can rise to 50% without there beeing great problems.

sarkington · 2022-01-04T20:57:38+00:00

Getting laid on a drunken hookup and/or using sex services has been a common practice throughout history

Why is it not relevant? Considering how much men don’t seem to like women all that much, voluntary relationships appear to be the minority, not the norm

Unlikely_Trip_262 · 2022-01-04T19:12:18+00:00

It’s 27% for men under 30 right now so if it reached about 50-60% you could probably see some real societal and political unrest.

BadSpanglish2 · 2022-01-04T19:48:46+00:00

I think a slow checking out of society is more likely; with demotivated men no longer striving to be helpful having the greatest impact. Some examples:
• less men getting involved in boys clubs or scouting because why would you if you have no stake in the society. This would lead to less well rounded young men, who lacked the male role models and perhaps more youth violence on the whole.
• less men taking on leadership roles and mentoring at work. Im seeing this at mine, everyone is sick of diversity stuff and is retiring at 50-55. Massive resource shortages and a loss of experience without the next generation being ready to take over.

People never seem to appreciate the stabilizing effect having a relationship has on a man - makes him more community minded.

Square_Inflation_534 · 2022-01-04T19:31:08+00:00

Before we'll meet it capitalism will have made sex robots that approximate women

Fuel_Fine · 2022-01-04T19:38:05+00:00

A man who gets laid every week or month with escorts isn't sexless, just romance-less or connection-less

No-Sky4699 · 2022-01-04T18:47:03+00:00

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pubgmisc · 2022-01-05T00:30:26+00:00

I think its less than once a year for those men lol. Simple, all top tier men are dating all the women and that's where the lines are drawn. Then you can go into boys not having father figures teaching them to become men and about women etc.

AidsVictim · 2022-01-05T02:48:01+00:00

What do you think is the equilibrium point on male sexlessness?

Nothing, or rather you're already looking at it. You end up with a bunch of infertile older people living atomizing consumerist lifestyles or that kill themselves rather than live life alone having failed to make a family, either outright in mens cases, or with opiates and/or alcohol for both sexes.

It's like asking what's the equilibrium point for the collapse of the manufacturing economy? Nothing, all those people and places just die a slow depressing death and are forgotten.

What was the equilibrium for the social collapse of churches and large families? Nothing, people simply become more atomized and less social.

Do you think there is some level of effective male sexlessness that could be dangerous for society?

Theoretically it could cause (and may to an extent) major economic problems, but you can just turn on the immigration tap to allow a bunch of men and their relatively fertile families into areas of the world where this is a serious problem. Maybe that will eventually become an issue but not for a while.

For a number of reasons serious solutions to this are impossible.

gimpgirl555 · 2022-01-04T19:14:27+00:00

Do you think there is some level of effective male sexlessness that could be dangerous for society?

No. We're not even close to peak inceldom. Also there's porn. I think that men learn to live with being sexless, look at Japan.

Also men benefit from this because women aren't able to get betabuxx.

ahandtoyourdarknessx · 2022-01-04T19:18:20+00:00

I think I get what you’re asking, and yes, I do feel that it is dangerous. I’m not sure if this is the result of provocation from online communities because I think the term used to refer to sexless males is a construct and they’ve made their own toxic community.

The problem is as long as society promotes hypersexualization as indicative of self worth and forced chastity or forced abstinence as being some kind of personal failure then men will be disgruntled, have low self worth, and feel a general disconnect from society.

And if I understand what you’re asking by equilibrium point, which I take that to mean how to we keep men from going crazy and taking out their anger on strangers, then all that they really need is a sign that there is hope they will achieve what it is they want to achieve.

Or, alternately, we need to shift what we value as a society, or teach men that this problem they’re having is an individual one and not a societal one because relationships are personal, they are between two people, one persons failure has nothing to do with another persons failure even if you can find similarities between them.

They will need to find their own inner peace and come to their own conclusions and figure out what they can do to be attractive to a mate, trying to figure out why they all have problems or even viewing their problem as a group identity in the first place is what leads to disaster

undersupervixen · 2022-01-04T19:12:22+00:00

Generally the old theory was that young men need to be anchored with families otherwise they become volatile and destabilizing. I assume similar things would be true of women. So in a democracy the equilibrium point would probably be at some protective rate that prevents 50% of the voting public from becoming so hopeless about their prospects that they decide to burn it all down.

ruboyuri · 2022-01-04T20:15:01+00:00

Sex is sex. Relationships are relationships. Pretending they are the same thing is inaccurate

Plenty of men want sex more than relationships, seeing as women and their concerns are dumb, emotional, shallow, exploitative, parasitic, boring, frivolous, inconsequential, disloyal, prudish, selfish, and lame

PronKing10 · 2022-01-04T18:54:55+00:00

What do you mean by "danger to society" like school shooter stuff?

stralotta · 2022-01-05T00:35:06+00:00

If you want there to be political:social solutions to mens problems, you can’t focus on sexlessness. That’s just a symptom for a disease of society.

I mean, after every hot or cold wave we hear of old people being found dead in their homes. Because they had no one to check on them. Is that similar to young men being left to circle the drain in front of their computers? There’s a loss of community connections and increased atomization and loneliness.

Will it collapse society? No. Capitalism is commodifying everything. The powers that be don’t care that men don’t have a sex partner or a love. They are going to make money from OF and VR porn. They have plenty of bread and circuses lined up.

Mouse1701 · 2022-01-05T00:51:34+00:00

I think part of the problem is ever since pornography was easy access since the 1980s with home video rentals and cable television with playboy channel and x rated channels and pay per view. Sad to say I was kid who was raised on these things. It took the place of real sexual realtionships. Now you have over sexualized content on regular tv. It's destroyed my ability to talk to and connect with women. Then there's the big problem of bashing men on tv all the time and with women it's all about me me. Women went to work in the 70s and 80s and women didn't need men for financial stability. Plus all the financial backing of the government.

EpicVen · 2022-01-05T02:37:09+00:00

I’m new here and I’m inexperienced in every way possible. But I am curious by what you mean by “dangerous levels”. Are you talking about sexlessness, companionship, romance? Can you specify? If I understand it properly, I would say anything more than 30%-40% is dangerous. Even having money would not give you contentment that typical comes from having that loving and fulfilling relationship. So if sexlessness increases in men, their incentives wouldn’t be incentives anymore.

This may be off topic but capitalism is attractive to some people because it given people an opportunity. Key word opportunity. If that opportunity isn’t present people wouldn’t be as incentivized to work hard. May be controversial but this is the reason why communism seems attractive to some people. The world runs on opportunity than achievement. To move a donkey show it a carrot or something like that.

HumblePieEater · 2022-01-05T03:19:49+00:00

We are there today. The US will likely fall to China in 50 years given current trends.

ameminator · 2022-01-05T06:19:51+00:00

It's worse in China - see what happens in countries with high men to women ratios and extrapolate.

TodTheRod01 · 2022-01-05T12:26:12+00:00

not making a joke, but suicide rates/amounts might be going up

OffThaGrass · 2022-01-05T14:44:58+00:00

They always say the main threat to societies is ‘roving groups of disaffected young men with nothing to do’ so as long as they keep men separated then never

JacobMoogberg69 · 2022-01-04T21:55:30+00:00

Society will start killing off male babies because female babies are inherently more valuable. Their prospects of becoming educated and higher earners are statistically better than males and women are more likely to take care of elderly parents. This will also fix any male sexlessness problems because there will be too few men and a lot of women.

Belfura · 2022-01-04T21:33:26+00:00

Maybe radicalisation (as if that's not happening on multiple fronts already) or an increase in apathy.

But I highly doubt that this is going to lead into some "oh no no, the sexless males are rallying behind the next dictator with eugenics fantasies".

Primarily because women are still able to find some guy in his 30s/late 20s they can settle down with after having had all the excitement they wanted to find in their 20s.

Let me also state that some of these mgtow types are also the first to bend the knee the moment they do somehow find a woman who is interested in them. Mind you, these are the guys that originally would grow and become beta bux.

Vtridolla · 2022-01-04T18:54:05+00:00

Dawg Incels have literally already committed terrorist attacks lol. It’s gon be like Rick and Morty where the women made the sex bots and just drop them on the planet and select which babies from incubation lol.

wtknight · 2022-01-04T19:31:48+00:00

Do you think there is some level of effective male sexlessness that could be dangerous for society?

Not on a large scale. Most sexless men are content with their gaming and their online interactions either with live women or their videos. Men who actually try usually eventually meet women

webernicke · 2022-01-04T19:08:24+00:00

I think there's a positive correlation between how much most Beta men are needed and how much sex they're having, so no, male sexlessness is never going to be a major problem for society. If society truly needed those guys, they would probably be able to get sex. If those guys aren't able to get sex, society can probably survive just fine without them.

goatismycopilot · 2022-01-04T19:21:18+00:00

Dangerous in what way?

goatismycopilot · 2022-01-04T19:29:58+00:00

Dangerous how? Do you mean opt out of society or lash out?

motherseffinjones · 2022-01-04T20:04:11+00:00

I’m pretty sure I’m ready to give up on relationships. I’m just community dick at this point. I’m focused on me and better my life, honestly I’ve never been happier lol. I think I will just adopt when I want kids.

NarniaFox · 2022-01-04T18:56:15+00:00

I'd guess that what can potentially cause problems is not sexlessness itself, but loneliness and radizalization. I really doubt that a lot of incels and people who can relate to them will feel much better if they were able just go to a sex worker once in a while.

And most likely dangerous not in terms of some social unrest or violence, but rather due to the consequences of having a bunch of lonely people around. Higher depression and suicide rates, issues with taking care of all older and/or disabled people etc.

MoveFeeling8807 · 2022-01-04T22:26:52+00:00

A majority of men are worthless genetically, so it will have little to no effect tbh. Thier worth has been rendered obsolete by automation. I wouldnt mind sharing a high value man.

Freedom_Investing · 2022-01-05T00:07:47+00:00

The top percentage of men have always had practically all the sex. Nothing new is really happening and nothing has really changed. Just find a way to be a part of the group getting laid and you will be good.

szclimber · 2022-01-05T00:36:56+00:00

Most of these struggling men will eventually find an ok relationship in their 30s. Even if they don't, they will just live with the lack of sex, romance, love etc.

ThatgodHermes · 2022-01-05T04:21:36+00:00

Nah, we just switch 😉 r/suddenlygay

ffandyy · 2022-01-05T12:12:01+00:00

No, too men men place a high value on sex, there’s a thousand other ways to find enjoyment

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_HEDONISM_BOT · 2022-01-05T03:20:07+00:00

Why would male sexlessness be “dangerous”?

Why don’t men just jerk off?

Title	What's the equilibrium point on male sexlessness?
Author	WilliamWyattD
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Date	January 4, 2022 6:42 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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