Is OF porn and sex work predatory on desperate and lonely men?

AceOfBlacks · 2021-09-01T18:50:23+00:00

Humanity is a scourge, we will justify anything if it is in our favour.

Women sell pictures of their buttholes on OnlyFans because it is favourable to them, men pay for those pictures because to them it is favourable.

We buy smartphones even though Asian kids work 16 hour shifts until they work themselves into early graves because to us it is favourable.

We try to take care of the environment not because we give a fuck about it but because it will come to bite us in the ass eventually, and it is favourable to us that we take care of it.

We slaughter helpless creatures and sometimes even other human beings to feed ourselves with their carcasses because to us it is favourable.

We look for partners with wealth, beauty and favourable characteristics even if our exploitation of those persons is to their detriment and we ourselves do not possess those qualities.

We lie, we cheat, we hurt and we exploit because it makes us feel good inside, it makes us feel like winners, something to be proud of, we are the monsters that we tell stories about.

If you want to find the reason for why people do the things that they do, find out who profits from it.

jbo99 · 2021-09-01T21:48:04+00:00

Do restaurants prey on the hungry?

Gravel_Roads · 2021-09-01T19:27:32+00:00

Like all things involving exchanging money for services, it probably ultimately depends on the individuals in question. But that’s no different between anyone selling anything.

People throw money away on stupid shortsighted shit every day. Would their money be better spent on hamburgers and NASCAR tickets instead of pictures of boobs? Should idiots be prevented from spending money on things that aren’t “good for them”? Are gas stations taking advantage of people’s need for gas?

John_Oakman · 2021-09-01T18:24:12+00:00

Come back to this topic in a few decades and you'll find that the narrative will be that onlyfans exploits young women as large numbers of soccer moms express regrets at their past decisions, and constructing the narrative that they were forced by crushing and desperate social economic circumstances to did what they had to survive.

Of course, the narrative of the mid 21st century would be that the comprehensive welfare structure should have been implemented decades earlier, rather than any sense of personal responsibility. Economists and some others would point out that the levels of automation of the early 21st century was insufficient to achieve a post compulsory labor participation system.

The question historians and political scientists will ask is: does government and society have an obligation to prevent people from making self destructive life choices?

By the way anyone seen the keys to my time machine?

Expensive-Guitar3609 · 2021-09-01T23:21:31+00:00

OF exploits both men and women, it's just that it does in different ways.

Lots of women who started selling picks of their asses on a nice bikini are now in Pornhub doing hardcore porn. If all, I think women have it harder than guys since the traumatic experience is going to take a toll directly at their bodies.

Now that OF will ban all adult content from it's plataform lots of these girls will go directly into the porn industry. Youth is basically pornified.

Of course these girls are getting paid to fuck, from the male point of view they are living every guy's sexual fantasy, but I don't think being a cam whore is a goal every woman should aim at, and in the long run all the emotional issues and psychological traumas they will get outweight the few monthly bucks these girls are doing. Quite sad indeed.

Good-Strong · 2021-09-02T14:50:32+00:00

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TwentyX4 · 2021-09-01T18:45:43+00:00

Yup. And beer companies are predatory on alcoholics. Companies that sell junk food are predatory on obese people with self esteem issues. Hyper partisan media companies are predatory on lonely people who want a convenient reason for why they're unhappy. I could go on.

That's life. Just because certain people probably shouldn't buy something doesn't make you a bad person for selling it.

JumboJetz · 2021-09-01T19:37:37+00:00

Sex work isn’t predatory itself. But using dating websites to advertise your services is definitely predatory and a violation of terms of service for every dating site. All of us should report when we see this. Apps should do way more to crack down on this.

DXBrigade · 2021-09-01T21:44:50+00:00

Firstly, why do people assume that men paying for sex work are desperate and lonely ?

Secondly, men aren't getting exploited, manipulated or whatever, they are just paying for a service.

LightGlows · 2021-09-01T18:26:18+00:00

I personally would not charactirize those things as such, it's not like these women are hunting the men, men have free will

coca cola isn't predatory if i go and buy a coca cola

Dating apps are now flooded with creators and people trying to sell sexual services

This can die in a fire though, i have heard some friends complain about this and it sounds like a cancer development of dating apps, i could see this being characterized as predatory, like setting up a mobile bar next to an AA meeting

Pastelitomaracucho · 2021-09-01T21:01:06+00:00

No. Men choose to follow these girls.

mistresswhat · 2021-09-01T18:34:35+00:00

Nope!

Anyway it's interesting that you're focusing on OF and sex workers while ignoring pirated "free" porn. Like your complaint is entirely about people earning money for their labor, with 0 concern for the people who are having their work stolen.

People want a service and are willing to pay for it. It's fine. It's not inherently exploitive in either direction and the suggestion that clients are somehow the victims here (because they bought something they wanted, and enjoyed) is fucking ridiculous.

calfshrug · 2021-09-01T18:25:29+00:00

Dating apps and their creators are a parasite on society. They tease you with pictures of idyllic, friendly, attractive looking people, the adverts and such for the app, and the fake profiles. They bait you [man] with opportunities to match with women (as if they look like the women in the adverts) as long as you open up your wallet. When the joke is that these apps started up as a supplement to people’s social lives and night life, trying to sneak in a little more hedonistic play time behind closed doors.

superlurkage · 2021-09-01T19:31:17+00:00

No, unless they are lying about what they are offering

Rosa_linda_ · 2021-09-01T20:23:16+00:00

Nah. Both people know what they are doing and what they are getting out of it. It’s a transaction.

If they want something more, don’t turn to people who need you to pay for their time.

FudgeSlapp · 2021-09-02T02:29:32+00:00

It’s not predatory. Grown men have brains and are able to make logical, reasonable, and responsible decisions in life. If they’re making decisions to fall into the bullshit that is OF that’s on them, not the platforms or the women.

I’m sick of hearing people act like men don’t have a brain and need to be treated like children. If you’re over 18, you are responsible for your actions.

midwestufohunter · 2021-09-01T18:35:37+00:00

If you believe capitalism is inherently exploitative of people, yes.

ohdiddly · 2021-09-01T18:40:40+00:00

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SnooCats37 · 2021-09-01T20:44:30+00:00

You understand that all walks of life watch porn and access OF. It isn't just 'lonely men'. Jobs are created by level of demand. There is a huge demand for porn of all types. 'Lonely men' are only a small percentage of men and women who access this content and due to that reason, no sex work isn't predatory.

PlayfulLawyer · 2021-09-01T18:23:14+00:00

It's "exploiting" them by their standards , but I'm not going to use that excuse, I don't hold men and women to the same standards, if a simp wants to give his money to an onlyfans girl because she'll do a bed strip tease and then record him a goodnight message , that's his business

roaming_bartender · 2021-09-01T19:33:10+00:00

Glink did a pretty good video on this where he interviewed the onlythots and the lonelyfans of the platform, OF is exploitative of the simps who pay through the creation of parasocial relationships. OF essentially takes sex drive + loneliness and offers a fake but quick and easy fix.

https://youtu.be/djMojvschs0

JB8511R · 2021-09-01T20:06:09+00:00

Predatory? No. Unhealthy? Yes.

By virtue of it existing it isn’t predatory. Women can act in a predatory nature once men subscribe to them but it isn’t predatory in itself. If women were promoting their OF’s in places like r/lonely or r/depression then yeah that would be predatory

Orange_Paisley · 2021-09-01T20:12:28+00:00

I think it can be. I think some men definitely know what they’re getting into, and they are happy with what they are getting from it. They have no illusions about what it is. But I think there is another segment of men who are lonely, desperate for even the faintest crumb of female attention, and those men are exploitable. In particular old men, who might have a little money, and get into a sugar relationship but delude themselves into thinking the woman truly wants him.

poppy_blu · 2021-09-01T22:26:42+00:00

the notion that sex is what men need to solve all their problems

Which is funny cause men who have sex still have problems.

Says to me that a lot of guys here have really easy lives except for the fact that they won’t take the initiative with women to get the sex they want.

I think any commerce can be predatory. That’s what you have a regulatory infrastructure for, supported by a court system to consider all points of view in informing the laws. Though Sex work, even in places where it’s legal, still operates a little below board so it’s ripe for predatory behavior that goes unchecked.

Willow-girl · 2021-09-02T11:44:36+00:00

In the same way that fast-food drive-thrus are predatory to late-night hungry drunk people.

NapalmBee · 2021-11-27T00:21:41+00:00

I’ve done SW before very recently creating an OF. I believe that I have a service to offer, however I would enjoy payment for services. I do not push it onto those who are not interested or who are possibly curious and then after enquiring changes their mind. Almost all men I’ve had interactions with, mostly online (offering to buy panties etc) have some kind of kink or fetish that they are unable or don’t wish to make public. I’ve helped some out for free to a certain extent. I would much prefer to know I’m helping someone explore their kinks than judge them for paying for them. Everyone has their thing and price! I have some of the most disgusting messages sent to me on the other side and some say that’s my own fault for offering things like OF or custom content. I don’t ask for men to send me their dicks in an inbox. I don’t want them sending me a message saying “give me freebies slut”

It’s a business and yes some take advantage which is disgusting and ruins it for us, but I’m also not that person. Custom or sub services ensures it’s more personalised and not just for attention seeking.

Each to their own. Men and women who buy don’t want or need pitty. They buy for MANY MANY reasons. I have people who have come via here who want to pay people it’s their thing… and in return i give them what they are after if I am able to. I love everyone I’ve interacted with, I’m even friends with some.. They help me and I help them!

There’s always someone ruining something for someone out there. No doubt some feel inferior or pushed into paying or begging for whatever reason but the majority paying are doing so because they want to.

SmurfESmurferson · 2021-09-01T18:22:25+00:00

They are mutually exploitative. OF and other sex work (provided the woman is in it of her own free will - which is most sex work) is probably the most level playing field there is

flamingoinghome · 2021-09-01T19:44:30+00:00

First off, incels the toxic subculture claim that what they want/need/the solution to all their problems is sex. But you read a little closer and it becomes obvious that these are men suffering from pretty serious mental problems, usually social anxiety and often body dysmorphia as well. They speak of their inability to hold a job, complete their schoolwork, or even make friends. These are not problems sex can solve.

But as for sex work being "predatory" -- if you want to go down that road and stay ideologically consistent, you're going to end up an anticapitalist. Sex workers are providing a service that apparently many people want. They aren't targeting children (who can't get credit cards), they're not incapacitating people and forcing them to buy ass pics, they're selling something openly and explicitly, and if people want to buy, so be it. Do some people use sex work services in an unhealthy way? Absolutely. But some people are alcoholics; this isn't the fault of brewers and bartenders.

There is also a five-hundred pound elephant in the room that many of these supposedly desperate men are very much weighing up the fact that sex workers are hotter than the women they could date traditionally. That's a choice they are making, and they ought to own it.

houstongradengineer · 2021-09-02T00:45:36+00:00

Ask yourself: Where will the OF or sex working women be in 5 years? Could be all the way up to attempting or committing suicide, being sex trafficked, being slut shamed, being lonely, experiencing anal prolapse and STD's, having abortions, literally depreciating since they've been a commodity this whole time.

Ask yourself: where will 80-90+% of men who watch porn be in 5 years? Jacking off to harder shit behind a Madonna's back, probably.

And that's how you answer who is predatory.

ohdiddly · 2021-09-02T03:24:30+00:00

The only way you can believe that OF porn is inherently predatory is if you believe grown men are mentally incapacitated and incapable of making their own decisions about where they put their money. Personally, I have a much higher view of men than that.

Sex workers are literally just providing a service that you are paying for. Are you not just infantilising men by treating them as if they aren’t capable of having rational thought?

Reisiluu · 2021-09-02T10:08:30+00:00

Do therapists prey on the mentally ill?

spinsterchachkies · 2021-09-02T15:23:11+00:00

He can …. Go outside and make some friends….

AquaChip · 2021-09-01T18:33:17+00:00

There is nothing manipulative about providing a service that people are actively seeking out. It’s like saying people selling clothes are manipulative toward someone looking for a new shirt.

manfrom-nantucket · 2021-09-01T19:10:30+00:00

Women who sell their bodies on only fans and the men who pay those women are not victims.

Kaisha001 · 2021-09-01T18:28:09+00:00

Yes, but no one cares about them so it's ok.

SaBahRub · 2021-09-01T20:53:17+00:00

Not unless they are advertising aggressively/inappropriately/in a targeted manner

gimpgirl555 · 2021-09-01T19:23:05+00:00

Not this meme again! Guys on e-whore sites are not lonely. Where does this idea come from in the first place?

For the average e-punter it's a choice and a fun hobby.

They are nowhere near as lonely as women who pay for male content.

Substantial-Dick · 2021-09-01T20:50:13+00:00

Most men who book escorts are in relationships. The "desperate beta who only wants to cuddle" is a myth, most guys who hire escorts are in relationships with women they respect too much to do certain things with so they do them with hookers.

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lulll · 2021-09-01T18:42:57+00:00

the onlyfans type of girls are exploiting lonely guys that have money to spare, but those guys shouldn't be doing it in the first place. its kind of a drug dealer/drug addict situation. prostitution is one thing, its only about money for sex. i think it goes too far once you get into girlfriend experience type of scenarios because it gets too personal.

men should not be looking for that in sex workers, and women shouldn't be providing those types of services, its too complicated for everyone involved imo. the types of men who go for these types of things aren't in the right state of mind by the very fact they are seeking them out in the first place, that's why it's a bad idea for women to engage with it

chilikettlechips · 2021-09-01T19:41:42+00:00

The interactions and behavior to maximize engagement and thus subscriptions are the real red flag.

chesty666 · 2021-09-01T20:17:38+00:00

No. If you are weak you get taken advantage. The platform doesn’t matter.

MasterTeacher123 · 2021-09-01T20:40:15+00:00

The only people I see complaining about this are people who aren’t involved lol. I wouldn’t pay for pics of a girls butthole but I also wouldn’t pay to see Taylor swift.

If people want to voluntarily exchange pics(or anything else) for money I could care less. That’s freedom of association

RopedCunt · 2021-09-01T21:34:50+00:00

Yes.

2021-09-01T21:39:04+00:00

Simple answer: yes, but it's hard to convince people that because there's multiple barriers and preconceived notions which need to be established correctly and I'd argue personal experience also needs to be factored in to be able to form a truthful opinion on it.

Playful_Art_5364 · 2021-09-01T21:53:57+00:00

Yes but part of growing up is facing your demons and rejecting them. These men have the capability to stop taking part.

iamthemovie1992 · 2021-09-01T22:17:10+00:00

It is. But sadly it’s not my problem. If I can sit here and say that women have to deal with the bad choices they make related to sex and relationships, then it would be hypocritical to not say the same about men.

learn2earn89 · 2021-09-01T22:21:18+00:00

Yea, I think so, especially OF. However, I think sex workers like escorts or the ones in the streets perform an important function—I find it morally reprehensible, but it’s a necessary evil. Idk feel free to change my view.

goochiegg · 2021-09-01T22:41:49+00:00

It's nothing wrong , it's something for the unattractive male to have

4derp · 2021-09-01T23:08:42+00:00

Strap in, the mouse experiment only gets worse (more entertaining) from here on out.

2021-09-02T00:19:46+00:00

It is predatory and if you don’t see that you’re straight up stupid. It catches addiction from a boy at a young age 12-13. “Exit this sight if you’re under 18” my ass, who the fuck was actually deterred by that.

Offering content for it is predatory. People are just jumping on the hype train for selfish gain through money but regardless, the core of it remains. Its predatory.

wtknight · 2021-09-02T00:48:42+00:00

No. They're just fulfilling a need for people who can't find a way to fulfill their sexual needs completely without spending money. I think that sex workers are no more predatory than someone who brews or distills alcoholic drinks or someone who grows cannabis, in that there are plenty of people who can drink alcohol or smoke marijuana responsibly, just as there are plenty of people who can enjoy pornography and sex work and not have it affect their life negatively.

singdontcry · 2021-09-02T01:44:27+00:00

It's advertised toward lonely men. Predatory isn't the right word to use. Men are the very reason sex work exists. No demand, nothing to sell.

No, sex work is always predatory on impressionable, often economically needy women. Look who profits the most fron OF. A man (CEO of OF). In old sex work pimps sold girls' bodies for money. Girls who enter the porn industry are promised fame/ wealth but social stigma/ mental damage from the nature of the work never is worth it.

Insidious-Sid · 2021-09-02T03:29:03+00:00

If a drug addicted hooker accepts money from a sex addicted man for sex, which addict is the one exploited?

ass-steroid · 2021-09-02T03:52:57+00:00

OF thots promoting themselves unsolicited on social media and dating apps and other places where lonely, sexually vulnerable men tend to frequent without necessarily wanting to be exposed to porn is predatory. Especially on websites where age isn’t factored in like it is with conventional porn sites. At that point they may literally be soliciting minors with access to their parents credit card details.

So it’s really not much different from a stereotypical male sexual predator sending/offering to send unsolicited dick pics in this sense, the predator is just female and doing it moreso for profit than they are sexual gratification, to a degree.

trele_morele · 2021-09-02T04:29:19+00:00

Is a player in the club preying on desperate women? The answer to both questions should be the same (what it is I'm not sure)

2werd2live2rare2die · 2021-09-02T08:55:28+00:00

Honestly all the nsfw subs here on Reddit make me think the women are just pornstars that do all there own stuff. I mean honestly some of them post video clips atleast once a week with different people. Honestly it’s probably a lot safer and better for the women as the porn industry treats women horrible. So they don’t have to worry about being made to do stuff they don’t want to. Onlyfans stars are pretty much porn stars. I mean I’m sure some of them prey on some of the men as they do more intimate stuff like messages and sick ratings and shit like that.

2021-09-02T15:16:35+00:00

It is predatory, but why complain? The simp chooses to be a simp so he deserves what he gets. Already by embracing simpdom, he knowingly abandons any chance his fellow men will respect or care for him in any way.

OF simps are dead to me. I have no empathy to spare for the dead.

CharlesElliotFiddler · 2021-09-02T20:09:13+00:00

Always has been! But then again, how many lonely men are the rule and not the exception? How many famous men from antiquity to the present has exchanged money or goods to a woman for a night of pleasure?

Hookers have been around since the dawn of time and everybody from kings to security guards have slept with them

Good-Strong · 2021-09-03T18:47:16+00:00

Maybe it is kind of tbh, I mean I can't see any sane person spending real money just to see pictures and videos naked women when the same content is easily available for free.

PM_ME_STRIPPERS · 2021-09-05T07:11:13+00:00

well, im pro sex work. Do what ya gotta do. However, as you mentioned, theres a time and place for advertising. Im sick to death of seeing OF links on TIKTOK and especially dating sites.

Like seriously, there are plenty of popular platforms to use to advertise sexual services, and apps and sites like them are not appropriate. There are teenagers on tiktok, and people who just want to view funny videos, people dont want to see this shit.

and for dating sites, most people are on dating sites for a reason, they want to find someone and not be bombarded with messages of OF links or seeing it everywhere on profiles.

To the question - is sex work predatory? It really depends on the context and what type of sex work we are talking about

for example, in my view, Onlyfans is definitely predatory, compared to something like a bloke seeking prostitutes/ escorts/ brothels etc

TheJim66 · 2021-09-01T18:48:50+00:00

That's impossible. Unlike women, men have agency.

TheBookOfSeil · 2021-09-01T19:42:45+00:00

In a way, yes. Those women know or can probably guess who the majority of their subscribers are, but they don't really care anyway because the focus is on the money, not where it's coming from.

Kentucky_Supreme · 2021-09-01T20:19:19+00:00

I don't even so how that's a question because it so obviously is.

I know everyone likes to over simplify the incel stuff but it's more than just wanting to bust a nut. TRY to imagine if you never had anyone interested in you. No skin on skin contact (even non sexual) will really get to you. I'm sure just watching Netflix with someone in your arms significantly affects your psychological health. Of course a lot of people never think of this because it's just a normal every day occurrence for them. Want some water? Just turn on the tap. That's how love/sex works for a lot of people. But a truly extreme case incel is in a 3rd world country and doesn't know if he'll ever even taste clean water.

Having someone to go places with and share life experiences is also a pretty big part of life that most people take for granted. I can imagine not having that at all will have significant affect on someone's state of mind and well being.

I've heard that the hottest women don't even necessarily make the most money on those sites but it's actually the more attainable "girl next door" look that pulls in the most money. Those guys are looking for a connection. Not just to bust a nut.

redbloodywedding · 2021-09-01T20:26:20+00:00

Yes it is, but since it's predatory towards men. They can go fuck themselves.

calfshrug · 2021-09-01T18:23:11+00:00

Maybe but it’s expected that people just suck it up and deal with it. Some people are supposed to heave larger burdens, injustices, etc than others

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