Help Me Understand Where "Women aren't ENTITLED to a Relationship"; Wasn't the Problem That Women WEREN'T Seeking Relationships?

Unhappy_Offer_1822 · 2024-08-15T12:12:06+00:00

i think some people just always need something to be angry about

JadeGrapes · 2024-08-15T14:40:08+00:00

Fussy people are gonna be fussy.

shadowrangerfs · 2024-08-15T20:10:32+00:00

I've never once heard of a guy being angry that women want him after improving himself. Show me an example of this, please.

As for the question, "women aren't entitled to relationships" came from women complaining about men not sticking around after sex. Since women were pointing that men aren't entitled to sex, men started pointing out that women aren't entitled to relationships.

DoubleFistBishh · 2024-08-15T11:26:04+00:00

I'm of the opinion that a lot of guys here make up hypotheticals to be angry about. They probably didn't become more attractive or self-improved yet. This is just what they think is going to happen if they do so they're getting angry beforehand.

Most people I know who were once ugly ducklings do not become angry people once they improve and understand that was just a phase in their lives.

Gravel_Roads · 2024-08-15T12:16:43+00:00

This feels like a strawman argument, because I’ve never seen this discussion in the way you’re saying

I have seen the discussion of women being the gatekeepers of sex (men aren’t entitled to sex) and men being the gatekeepers of relationships (women aren’t entitled to relationships)

Devourer_of_felines · 2024-08-15T13:12:54+00:00

But I also don't see women making posts arguing that men should have to.

You dont see it because women frame it as “where are all the good men who are willing to commit”

jay10033 · 2024-08-15T13:49:22+00:00

You're wrong. It comes up when women get into situationships, undefined situations and are fucking the UbërChad and find out he has a harem of women. She believes she should be the only one and is crying to her friends and TikTok about why hasn't he made it official and I feel he's string me along and hasn't asked for something serious 😢 combined with the misguided thought of a man should ask for commitment, that's not a woman's role. When you combine all of these various thought patterns, they believe because they were letting the UbërChad rearrange her guts, the least he can do is provide a relationship and commitment.

In that case, even if you've let the UbërChad rearrange your guts from here to Timbuktu, you're not owed a relationship.

I'll add to this, women quote their degrees, their incomes, their careers, the possessions (car and house) to support their argument that I'm such a catch and a good person, look at all I've achieved - men are intimidated by me, that's why I can't get a relationship. They believe all of these achievements are what men should care about in looking for a relationship and since they have it, they deserve to have a relationship with the best man available.

Teflon08191 · 2024-08-15T14:04:50+00:00

But I also don't see women making posts arguing that men should have to.

Ok, but what does that have to do with whether or not women feel entitled to relationships?

Rather than looking at what women post on Reddit, you should be looking at the storied history of human civilization and all of its folktales regarding scorned women.

You can start with the Japanese Hannya, perhaps?

Downtown_Cat_1173 · 2024-08-15T11:17:13+00:00

It’s a bad faith argument from men who want to use women’s bodies for sex and not give them anything emotional. The assumption is that men want sex and women want relationships, and men and women will never want the same thing.

I have also never seen women act entitled to relationships, but I have seen alpha males argue that the government should give them a girlfriend.

Distinct_Youth1783 · 2024-08-15T13:11:19+00:00

Girls, and women, don’t make posts on the web, or PPD at least, about this sort of thing because they have friends to cry to about it in real life. It’s almost stereotypical that a woman gets into with a guy she likes, the feelings aren’t exactly mutual and then she ends up crying to her friend(s) about it over a bowl of ice cream.

Guys make posts online bc rejection isn’t one of those things most of us feel comfortably bringing up to the bros.

As far as your last paragraph, I think it’s understandable how someone who becomes more attractive on the outside but more or less remains the same person on the inside would find themselves disgusted with the newfound attention. Women like to believe that they are more than their bodies. The people who physically glow up while retaining much of the who they were on the inside figure out in the worst way that all most of us are is just a physical shell and that who we are on the inside is rather irrelevant. That’s why they’re disgusted.

Proudvow · 2024-08-15T17:38:32+00:00

The problem was young women not wanting relationships. These guys wanted relationships in their teens and 20s with women at similar experience levels. Not washed up women who already had their fun and are looking to settle down. They'll use the latter for sex if possible but refuse a serious relationship.

Basically the waiting period embitters some men, there's a time limit for them to receive the type of attention they once pined for before they sour on the idea.

babazuki · 2024-08-15T12:36:57+00:00

I've seen a post or two from women saying they can't trust men because sometimes they "waste" years in a relationship and never get a marriage proposal. They claim they do everything right and get nothing from it.

Upset_Material_3372 · 2024-08-15T11:14:18+00:00

It’s like if you had friends/family members that always treated you badly, ignored you and wanted nothing to do with you but then suddenly you win the lottery or become extremely successful and all of a sudden those same friends/family members now are trying to act friendly and interested in you.

You’re likely to feel some type of way about it and that’s exactly how it’d be for guys in the situation you describe.

Sure-Vermicelli4369 · 2024-08-15T12:46:36+00:00

It's not relationships that women feel entitled to, it's all the benefits that come with one. Even outside the context of a relationship.

HappyCat79 · 2024-08-15T14:41:39+00:00

It’s an immature mindset and kind of toxic.

When I was younger, I was obese. I lost a bunch of weight in my early 30’s and was somehow offended that men who wouldn’t give me a second look were suddenly looking.

I gained the weight back and then some thanks to another pregnancy by my then husband, and in 2020 I lost the weight again and have kept it off. By then, my early 40’s, my outlook changed and I matured enough to realize that yeah, I wasn’t attractive and I am now. It’s not that hard to understand. People are attracted to attractive people. 🤷🏻‍♀️

RayRayGD · 2024-08-15T11:04:33+00:00

Listen men who say that feel devalued, disposable, when they say that what they actually want to hear is from a woman to take away that trauma, that they won't be instantly disposed when they fail to provide.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2024-08-15T13:50:30+00:00

The dudes posting it are trying to flip the script on the statement “you aren’t entitled to sex” and think that it will trigger women as much as that statement triggers them.

It’s lazy bait. That’s it.

just_a_place · 2024-08-16T01:08:52+00:00

"Like bro... you became more attractive so women would be attracted to you... but now that you've done the work, you're mad that women are attracted to you? Was that not your goal?"

Suddenly becoming more attractive to women doesn't magically undo all the jaded feelings, anger, and repressed hatred as a result of all that bullshit women put that man through when they didn't think he was so attractive.

Red Pill #63: What is seen can never be unseen.

Men who aren't attractive are usually the first one to get a raw look into female nature.

Having this sudden female attention, after having received their scorn, feels more like an insult to most men in that position who already had a glimpse at the facade of who women truly are underneath that veneer.

SilentFroggy · 2024-08-15T12:32:27+00:00

It’s because it’s about women who are in their 30s that would never give them a chance when they were younger.

Cunning_Linguists_ · 2024-08-15T11:18:09+00:00

Sick another straw man as an entire post from you. I wonder if you think to yourself "How can I make the most flimsy, straw barely holding on by a thread post possible" and then you just hit that create post button.

Women think they're entitled to relationships because they have sex & then demand a relationship. Women think that having sex = now I deserve a relationship, I gave you my pussy so now you must commit to me.

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RealityCold4693 · 2024-08-15T14:22:58+00:00

Im take a long guess and say Just because we fuck, does it mean we need to go together because a lot of women complain about fucking somebody and them not taking them serious

Lower-Director1043 · 2024-08-15T18:23:49+00:00

You are strawmanning them. They are using that as an equivalent to women who think they shouldn't fufill their husbands/boyfriends needs.

Melodic_Structure928 · 2024-08-15T19:14:00+00:00

Ok I’ll explain it to you then. The whole women aren’t entitled to a relationship is usually aimed at women who said similar things to men during there chad chasing years. Now that their older, sometimes with a child or have other issues. They now see the guy who had nothing but spent years establishing himself for the better as a last resort. (yes I’m aware that non-chads who dont improve themselves exist, but they probably get nothing from women ever, expect in rare outliners, so I won’t be discussing them)

Like bro... you became more attractive so women would be attracted to you... but now that you've done the work, you're mad that women are attracted to you? Was that not your goal?

again depends, on the individual some are truly desperate for any women with a pulse. However the reason that some of these guys complain is cause they spent often years improving themselves while the women who sudden started noticing there existence did the opposite. These men are upset that there effort wasn’t reciprocated, and feel like there getting a bad deal, it’s also kind of disrespectful to be seen as a last resort, as it means the women never really liked you anyways.

falconress · 2024-08-15T19:30:52+00:00

holy fuck you've pointed out where the snake is biting it's tail.

TallFoundation7635 · 2024-08-15T19:31:21+00:00

Think of it this way, let us suppose a company didn't select you because they thought you weren't good enough for the job, you spend 5 years grinding and get a job in Google or Microsoft and now they want you back.

That is how men that have leveled up feel about women that didn't find them attractive 10 years ago but find them attractive now.

McPigg · 2024-08-15T23:26:18+00:00

Disney told us being yourself is enough and love is a magical thing, so when working on us actually brings results, its disproving the sweet fairytale right in our face.

Meme_Devil12388 · 2024-08-16T09:00:03+00:00

Some of you are pretty quick to throw entitlement accusations at any male who expresses even a little frustration with dating; as in, you think any kind of disappointment is indicative of entitlement.

So yeah, firing back with accusations of entitlement against women who are (justifiably btw) miffed at getting “pumped-‘n-dumped” makes sense, if not being cruel as fuck.

kvakerok_v2 · 2024-08-18T21:21:19+00:00

Before 28 Women want dick. The hot men they choose are more than happy to provide that.

After 28 Women want a relationship. They're not entitled to it. Cue butthurt "where are all the good men?" The hard reality is that a run-through hoe has no value for the men they feel they're entitled to (the ones that were banging them before 28).

The final stage of a woman to cat lady transformation is "if I can't have those men, I'd rather be single". Invest in box wine manufacturers.

This problem will not go away until women stop hoeing around in their youth.

fundamentally_comfy · 2024-08-15T11:32:43+00:00

But I also don't see women making posts arguing that men should have to.

I see a lot of posts argueing that men should go for fat, old, unpleasant women and men are somehow evil for preferring young, skinny, pleasant women.

SaBahRub · 2024-08-15T14:39:31+00:00

This reaction is not gender specific, men who claim otherwise are just misogynists and self centered

(Source: women have glow ups and get disillusioned by them too)

Electric_Death_1349 · 2024-08-15T11:11:24+00:00

Does this depend on the women - i.e., in the context of self-improvement, the OP made themselves more attractive, but now attracts the attention of women they don’t want to date, hence the “they’re not entitled to a relationship” sentiment.

This is how women usually deploy is - e.g. if a man struggles with dating and dares to speak about it, the usual response is a collective sneer of “you’re not entitled to a relationship!” the inference being that he’s low-value/undesirable and therefore no woman would conceivably want to date him, so he can go eat shit.

There are women (most) men wouldn’t want to date, so the same logic applies - if you’ve exerted considerable effort doing the “just hit the gym, bro!” thing, did “work on yourself” and did “self-improve” then you probably didn’t do it so that some sub-five fatty could make overtures of interest.

Crimson-Pilled · 2024-08-15T12:14:33+00:00

They are seeking relationships - with Alphas. And as women aren't entitled to have sex with men, an Alpha isn't entitled to commit to these women.

Title	Help Me Understand Where "Women aren't ENTITLED to a Relationship"; Wasn't the Problem That Women WEREN'T Seeking Relationships?
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Date	August 15, 2024 10:57 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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