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Over the past few months, I've been dipping my toes into the long-term-relationship game, and re-experiencing a side of women I haven't seen in over 6 years.

One difference in these strategies is the degree to which you need to actually work on relationship issues. Whereas with plates, you can ignore small problems (they'll be gone soon enough), or soft next them (they either leave or get the point). But with a relationship, there are times when you simply need to discipline or focus on correcting issues.

And it's now that I remember some crucial advice that I wish my father had imparted onto me when I was younger-

Women are Children

So I wanted to write this up to serve as a quick reminder, you are dealing with emotionally and intellectually stunted people. Let's explore and analyze these following phrases and experiences:

  • I can't...

Failing to accept their own agency, women often resort to the phrase "I can't." It's a phrase that red pill men work hard to eliminate from our lexicons. "I can't" implies past and future inability. "I haven't yet" implies a struggle towards a goal. "I can't" implies resignation.

It's an obvious sign that this person has not matured beyond the simplicity of a child, whom everybody serves. So trying and failing would be a pointless exercise to them. Beyond this, her mind simply understands that her abilities and skills are innate (as they assume all people are), therefore anything outside the bounds of what seems natural to her are simply outside her bounds. She declares with confidence that she "can't" because she knows this to be true.

  • I don't know why I'm being like this. / I don't know why I did it

Her actions and feelings are outside the purview of her control. Simply put, she believes her actions (however few she mistakenly makes) to have just happened, without influence from her. As with all hypoagency, in an attempt not to be held responsible for actions, women will do everything in their power not to make descernable actions, or when they must, to do so under the guise of plausible deniability (to limit their risk of responsibility and consequence). Likewise, when no shroud of plausibility exists, their minds simply draw a blank, almost as though they are just as surprised with their actions as you are.

Bringing us to my next favorite hypoagent phrase:

  • I'm trying

The chorus of a woman scorned. Occasionally there will be behaviors that you do not tolerate. Fundamentally, self-improvement seems to be all but outside the grasp of most women, this inability to change is met with another acknowledgement of hypoagency: "I'm trying."

Had you the misfortune of addressing a behavior more than once, the tired phrase gets pulled out for another run, suggesting that the actions she takes are not ones she controls. Her outward actions are a mystery to her, over which she exerts little influence. She tries, begs, even pleads with her body, but her cries go unheard. If only she could change, she very much would like to do so.

The red pill man understands there is only "do" and "do not." There's no "trying" in going to the gym, there is only going and not going. A behavior or attitude is something which must be changed if it is disadvantageous to your goals. This is something our little snowflake will never grasp. And as the children they are, they shouldn't be expected to.

  • The shut down

When confronted with something difficult, overwhelming, or confusing, you notice she shuts down. She cannot process things, she is unable to react. It can be extremely frustrating, especially during a conversation that might be entirely logical and rational to you, yet she goes blank and unresponsive. You (or something/someone) have overwhelmed her simple mind, and now we must wait for her to re-emerge. If she does it properly, she will re-emerge potentially when the threat has passed, well after you (the adult) have taken care of things.

While most red pill men understand that living in the here and now is crucial to survival and success, women enjoy the luxury of turning off when needed, and the freedom to be accepted for doing so.

Imagine if during something as dangerous as a life threatening scenario, or as important as a business meeting, a red pill man were allowed to simply go silent and fail to react until they are more comfortable. Surely they would be eaten or fail. But instead, we do not expect children to make tough, quick, life decisions when the time comes. We give them room and space to breathe. This is within their nature, this is who they are.


This is not a post of anger, resentment, or hatred. Instead, it is a reminder to us all that these are the people we are dealing with. To treat them as adults and have similar expectations of them would be a mismanagement and a failure on your part to properly lead. There is a reason we usher women and children first onto the life boats. They cannot fend for themselves.

Do not expect them to act, reason, and process life and their surroundings the way you do as a man. Instead, understand that she is a child, and ultimately relies on you to be her anchor in reality. She needs you to lead. The more you expect from her, the less either of you two will get from each other.


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Title Women are Children
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 369
Comments 258
Date 22 January 2015 06:50 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil112 points113 points  (68 children) | Copy

The Shutdown is incredibly effective for women at work because its politically infeasible to call them out on it.

[–]foldpak11148 points49 points  (3 children) | Copy

Call them out and you will get your ass beat by 30 white knights. Why? Because nyah!

[–]strivingforfreedom0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I've been working out pretty hard lately and have been doing a lot of bag work. I'm confident I can take on 30 white knight office drones and win.

[–]bluedrygrass1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Unfortunately, society would not let you. white knight office drones are somewhat protected, too.

[–]LifeAtPeace23 points24 points  (10 children) | Copy

The Shutdown is incredibly effective for women at work because its politically infeasible to call them out on it.

I had to quit because of calling them out. Actually being unresponsive (Shutting down) makes them seem like a victim while the other person is talking.

[–][deleted] 7 points7 points | Copy

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[–]bluedrygrass4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy

Imagine having to ask one of your coworkers a crucial question about something important and work related, some datas, anything, and her reaction being like a sphynx.

Mute, refusing to engage eyelock, and usually focusing heavily on some pretentious bullshit like staring at a computer screen, keeping brushing some glasses, cooking, reordering papers, etc..

If your plate does this, no porblem.

But if you have work to be done, and the people on who you partly depends shuts down, you're blocked.

This also happens randomly, for example, it's "those days" and she feels entitled to be a poor helpless victim of the terrible debilitating menstrual syndrome and she can't, can't, work normally.

Or, you didn't notice or compliment her about her unchanged hair style.

And so on, and so forth. Working with females is a disgrace.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

If I couldn't work for 2 days a month, I'd have 10% knocked off my pay.

[–]RN_TH3_TRP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dear lord you must have been at that job for awhile if the women's mensies have synced up.

[–]1Zanford9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Send an email (which emphasizes how soon the thing needs to be done). That way if she doesn't do it, you have a record of when you told her to do it (and she can't claim you yelled if it's a politely worded email). Plus she may un-shutdown since she's not being face to face confronted.

If you're in person and she starts shutting down, just say "I'm gonna go back to my desk and convey this over email, that'll help make sure everything is laid out plainly."

[–]asdfghjkltyu0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My understanding of it, not necessarily in a work environment, but just in a general environment is when you're trying to discuss something with them or make a point, but instead of answering you or having a form of debate they just sit there and stare off into space. They don't want to engage with you on an intellectual level.

So you're given two options, to continue to try and discuss this with them (which usually makes you look like you're badgering them) or to drop it and leave the issue unresolved, which you can be sure you will be back to square one if it ever comes up again.

Women I've found in any sort of conflict will just detach if there is any chance of being proven incorrect or not getting a favourable outcome. They're basically saying "I'm not going to let you win this argument, so I just won't participate".

[–]EeeeeeevilMan0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

"Don't go into Janet's office right now," someone tells you as you are heading into her office for something necessary. "She's just having a really hard time right now."

[–]1cover200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Don't women call each other out on it though? Maybe if you complain to one woman about another, you can get her to call out the woman on her shutdown. After all, women don't really give each other this break or any breaks, they just want breaks from you.

[–]there_aint_no_grave7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Personal experience is that people enter a borderline trancelike state when they're shut down which can be useful if you're trying to convince a superior to follow a certain course of action. Turn off their mind (generally by posing a complex problem), and then insert your desired outcome as the solution. Like all things, practice makes perfect; start small and don't be obvious about it. Could write at length on this but not sure this is the right forum for that.

[–]asdfghjkltyu0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Its useful if you're trying to prove a point to someone else and they just abort the conversation, but god help you if you're trying to prove a point to them.

Its one of the very frustrating things about arguing with women, there always has to be time periods inserted. So they'll argue, but then insist on ceasing the argument for hours/days and reengaging it. I assume its a tactic they use that because they know you'll tire of it eventually they try and drag anything out as long as possible. Men tend to like to finish things here and now, not leave them sitting.

[–]Red_SoloCup8 points9 points  (41 children) | Copy

Can you expand on this? I agree, but I'm curious what your take is.

[–]atleastitsnotaids57 points58 points  (40 children) | Copy

An anecdote from my own experience...a large part of my senior year capstone classes was presentations of our lab and project work. It was understood that a requisite for graduating as an engineer was the ability to present your work in a clear and cogent manner in front of various audiences; large and small, educated or layman. For many of the classes, presentations were up to 3/4 of the total grade. Several girls struggled with an anxiety over public speaking, and many had 'shut down' moments when it came time to present, but one girl stands out in particular. This chick, from the very first unit ops lab through to senior plant design, was never able to present. I think in total she mumbled out about 5 words before she would fall awkwardly silent and wait for another group member to take over. The one time she even tried an individual presentation she ran out of the room crying. After that the professor made an exception for her that she only had to hand in a copy of her slides with annotations of what she would have said.

She was never once held accountable for these issues. Everyone, professors included, was just expected to accept that she was afraid and could not perform, and that this should be pitied and exceptions should be made. Her grades did not suffer and she graduated along with everyone else despite not having proved that she had the requisite skills to be a professional engineer.

[–]Red_SoloCup22 points23 points  (5 children) | Copy

That's the kind of shit that drives me insane about our society. If you can't do it, fine, and your family will have sympathy, but in a professional setting there is absolutely no fucking excuse. If you can't handle what you're doing, you shouldn't fucking be there. You want equality? Fine, take your goddammed equality, but you have to perform just like men have to every fucking day and I'm going to hold you to the same standard of performance, compete with you just as much, and shame you just as much if you're a pussy.

[–]ProductivityMonster10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

hahaha good luck with that one! Women are treated as children by your boss, your bosses' boss, and the rest of your (mostly beta or female) peers.

[–]Red_SoloCup4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I know, that was more of a rant than anything.

[–]bluedrygrass1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

And that's the most irritating aspect. Bosses always have different standards for females employers. In my personal, limited experience, all the bosses are white knights.

[–]AndrewAtrus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Reminds me of the Columbia Law students who were allowed to do their final exam a couple of weeks later because they might be "traumatised" by the Michael Brown judgement.

Because it's perfectly fine to be a lawyer if you can't emotionally handle a legal finding.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It will change. Past generations had sympathy and tolerance for female inferiority at the workplace, because there was still a dynamic between men and women which meant every man had a chance with a girl.

Now this dynamic has disappeared and most mena re waking up to that fact. No employer will want to spend money on a worse employee because women at the workplace no longer increase the motivation and performance of the men, rather the opposite. No manager worth his salt will tolerate having an unreliable subordinate and will move to better companies.

It's already happening and established companies have already worked together with government to do their uttermost to stop competition through regulation and monopolize their industries. We are in the new guilded age, but only the western world. As long as there is global trade the western world will keep losing every year.

Women being paid equal as men and women being in positions to manage men workers are a symptom of a faulting system. There are but very few women in management positions who aren't taking up the slot for a man that is much better fit. The more women a company has employed the more surplus this company has to be wasted. That means there is room for a more effective competitor to take their marketshare. It's like a company gold plating their offices, you know they are screwing somebody to make that much extra money to waste.

[–]Endorsed ContributorDoxasticPoo12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy

And herein lies one of the major differences between men and women.

I've always had public speaking problems. I don't know why. But nothing scares me more than speaking in front of people. However, at the same time I love it. It's a challenge. It's me facing my fear. I've NEVER ONCE stepped away from a chance to deal with it because I know each time I utter a word in front of a group I'm taking one step closer to being over something I know I should be over.

Women won't do that. Some might, I'm sure someone can find an example of it happening. But on average it doesn't happen.

[–]Lt_Muffintoes2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

The fear is part of the thrill to me.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

If you don't have that anxiety, you're running on autopilot and are too far in your comfort zone.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

and you're probably fucking boring as shit.

[–]cbeeman15 9 points9 points [recovered] | Copy

Its one thing to give leeway when there is a paticular space someone has imense trouble with, but the expectation should be that the work to get over it, not reinforce that it is okay.

[–]MightyTaint12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

Its one thing to give leeway when there is a paticular space someone has imense trouble with

No, it's really not. Professional fields have an immense amount of responsibility, and a degree in those fields says "this person is competent." If you let people pass for trying you cheapen the credentials of everyone else and put money and lives at risk. There is no A for effort in the real world.

[–]GhostOfAladdin 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

did she have a speaking disorder?

[–]atleastitsnotaids16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

No, she was just extremely shy around anyone besides her close friends. She worked hard and was of average intelligence. I had no problem with her personally but it always frustrated me as a competitive person that the standards were so much lower for the women in my major.

[–]onenifty8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'd like to say that the inequities balance themselves out in the real world, but as we all know, they do not. Life's not fair, but we can always play the game better than the rest.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon9 points10 points  (6 children) | Copy

Why does it matter? It's like saying that if you have a learning disorder you still deserve to get a degree.

[–]Mattpilf4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Legally you do. Universities are required, although IDK exactly what's the government law vs internal university protocol, make reasonable accommodation for learning disabilities. Sometimes this is extra time on exams, or flexibility on assignments. I dont know much specifically, but even standardized test and stuff make accommodations.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

So where do they draw the line on this? Is "lazy and stupid and bad at my degree" a valid disability? Can I take an art degree, and demand that my ineptitude at art be taken into account? Can I take a music degree, and claim that being tone deaf and have no rhythm be taken into account?

Some things should be worked with and worked around. Some things shouldn't. If you excuse one person from a part of the syllabus, it shouldn't be mandatory for anyone. Otherwise THEY can claim inequality.... and round it goes...

[–]Mattpilf1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well it tends to be for only real disorders like dyslexia and stuff, as well as physical things, like inability to write for long periods or at all.

Maybe if she got a doctor to diagnosed some type of phobia.... Idk. That may or m

There's a line somewhere. I dont think it's being abused much though. Maybe a.few people went doctor shopping for ADHD to get extra time on exams, but by and large it's not easy to get accommedatioms for it. Sometimes you have to fight for weeks just to rake an exam on a computer when physically you can't write at all.

[–]AndrewAtrus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I can understand that for some disciplines, where the method of testing doesn't really matter, but the stuff being tested does.

The problem in things like engineering is that the presentation, groupwork, etc. are the actual things being tested. They are part of the required skillset.

[–]GhostOfAladdin 0 points0 points [recovered] | Copy

No it isn't. Being able to vocalize your thoughts isn't an indicator of being able to earn a degree. If the person can perform the engineering duties, the person deserves the degree.

Stevie Wonder is blind and can play music better than most people.

[–]usul16282 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Effective communication, including the occasional bit of public speaking is part of engineering. In fact, its listed as a requirement for receiving an accredited degree in the US. You don't have to be great at it, but running out of the room crying in a room full of your peers, superiors and customers makes you unable to perform the job the degree infers you are capable of.

[–]ROIVeritas13 points14 points  (11 children) | Copy

" but one girl stands out in particular. This chick, from the very first unit ops lab through to senior plant design, was never able to present. I think in total she mumbled out about 5 words before she would fall awkwardly silent and wait for another group member to take over. The one time she even tried an individual presentation she ran out of the room crying. After that the professor made an exception for her that she only had to hand in a copy of her slides with annotations of what she would have said."

.. and we all know the second a woman or a child cries, they are automatically "right". There is no such thing as a tantrum.

[–]cbnyc02 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy

Was she otherwise socially normal?

[–]ROIVeritas1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy

Barely. This girl claims to be asexual, but used to flirt with me constantly. She's a techno geek anime loving hermit girl. But she's cute, long legs, pretty face, just no experience with guys.

Thinking of asking her out to drinks to see where it goes, but she might literally, freak.

[–]CrimsonDeep14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy

If you fuck her, record everything and make sure you wrap it.

[–]ROIVeritas4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol, this is a case of the window looking better than the room itself. I won't take the plunge, she's too new to herself.

[–]ROIVeritas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She wants me to PIITB, and she wants to fellate me as well.

She didn't want to sit next to me in class for 2 semesters.. now she wants my cock everywhere in her except her twat.

[–]vzhu40 points41 points  (1 child) | Copy

That's a rape accusation waiting to happen.

[–]AndrewAtrus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep, the "asexual" is the red flag there.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil32 points33 points  (1 child) | Copy

She sounds like a liability

[–]ROIVeritas4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

She is, to herself. On second thought, she's not thaaat pretty.

[–]I_Did_It_My_Way4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like someone with major mental issues and we all know that associating with people that have mental issues is not going to end well for you.

Watch "Gone Girl", "Audition" or any other movie like that.

[–]1Zanford2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

"Women are better communicators", amiright

[–]1Zackcid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I see the irony, but in a way, women actually are better. Specifically when it comes to reading people's faces and verbal/nonverbal cues. Or when girls communicate between each other (friends) with eye movements. "this guy's a weirdo. let's get the fuck outta here" rolls her eyes in a direction

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm 100% sure if a man asked for the same rights due to crippling social anxiety they would be granted. You don't think men ever have a serious fear of speaking? Claiming that here on reddit is irony lvl 99.

[–]prawson 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

There was another thread wherein a user suggested saying "Should we reschedule/discuss this another time?" if you're in a meeting/having a discussion I can see this working well as it allows her an OUT and you can move on with what you need to get done. Bonus points for proactively "leading" the meeting/discussion.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil22 points23 points  (5 children) | Copy

This whole corporate political correctness thing is hard for me because im Russian and my culture is all about direct confrontation.

[–]ROIVeritas4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

corporate political correctness

This is an oxymoron. This is hard for us TRP men because by nature we are direct. Women by nature are passive and indirect.

This is why they excel in the workplace. They'd rather send a wordy email for a meeting, rather than dropping by and asking for a meeting directly, or leaving a brief post it note.

Indirectness = chaos = confusion

[–]ProductivityMonster0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I don't see how your example makes them excel at the workplace. If anything, it would lead to more confusion and missed deadlines.

[–]ROIVeritas1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You said:" If anything, it would lead to more confusion and missed deadlines."

I never said it didn't. You assume them excelling in the workplace doesn't encompass the scope of them missing deadlines on projects, and more confusion. This is because I'm choosing to assume you're a man who believes productivity should be as flawless as possible, a man like myself.

Unfortunately for many, this relationship is not echoed or shared by many work spaces today.

Well, the paradigm has shifted. You know why they make shows like Madmen? Movies like Wolf on Wall St? Dudes drinking and smoking in offices because they could handle their shit? Plowing their executives in their private offices?

It shows what the office life WAS. You know. Back when this was a man's world. Those shows and movies are ENTERTAINMENT now. BECAUSE REAL LIFE AINT LIKE THAT NOW.

[–]redpillersinparis0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Did you actually grow up in Russia?

[–]ROIVeritas0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Loved this. Realized it early. 2 can play that game. I use this tactic against them. They are flabbergasted by me even as we speak.

[–]DaThrowaway808124 points125 points  (17 children) | Copy

•I can't...

For some reason this post reminded me of a story about an ex from what feels like a decade ago. During the holiday season we decided to get a Christmas Tree, some Douglar Fir about 5 feet high. I jokingly told her that since she wanted the tree she would have to carry it into the house. Her response, "I can't, I'm too tiny (5'2"ish 110ish lbs) there is no way I would be able to lift the tree".

What started off as a joke to me turned into proving a point. That the stupid tree isn't that heavy and she should be perfectly capable of carrying it. She refused vehemently stating multiple times about her size and stature.

After the tree was purchased, the sales team (small family operation) sent a 13 year old girl, shorter and tinier than my girlfriend, to load the tree into my truck. She carried it from the yard we picked it to the truck (a span of about 50-75 feet). Needless to say, she carried it into the house.

[–]clam61 64 points64 points [recovered] | Copy

i can't was probably an excuse because she simply didn't want to.

[–]Titan5000283 points284 points  (3 children) | Copy

Nothing gets past you bro lol

[–]TechnoRaptor69 points70 points  (1 child) | Copy

it never goes over his head, he is simply to fast, he will catch it

[–]BlackHeart891 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

It was a combination of that and her being ignorant. If she truly had a problem with carrying it, she could have passed it off as being a man's job to carry stuff. And she could have still avoided carrying it into the house.

She took one glance and really thought she couldn't do it and was too ignorant to even try.

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[–]binrobinro5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

But I'll bet you had to drive, and use your vehicle, and pay for the tree.

[–]Temptationn1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Needless to say, she carried it into the house." LOL

[–]1aguy01-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

She wanted you to be the man and do the man shit. When you got home you should have told her to make a sandwich and blow you, like a good woman, while you enjoy your sandwich and blowjob, like a good man.

[–]TRP_James-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

lol if the chick I'm with wants to feel like a small weak women then she is welcome to. If she wants me to do all of the hard manual work then that's also fine.

But that bitch is gunna cook, clean, and suck my dick. That's how I want it anyways.

[–]cbeeman15 11 points11 points [recovered] | Copy

The sad thing is that a large precentage of "men" now fit this mold too.

[–]ROIVeritas5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

And the concoction has birthed a hellish ordeal.

Most men nowadays can't even look another man in the eye when they are speaking. Everything is tip toeing around feelings, rawness, and truth.

It's ingrained weakness, on too massive a scale to go unnoticed. So many white knights we might as well revert to the feudal system, oh wait we nearly alread have.

[–]_the_shape_34 points35 points  (3 children) | Copy

Incredible, rock solid post.

As for your last bit about anger and resentment, internalizing that women are children should help you get beyond the bitter phase, not dwell in it longer, nor help intensify it (for those struggling to break out of that purgatory)

Ever notice how women are the ones who typically feel as if they must show children under their supervision "who's boss" in aggressive, tyrannical fashion? My guess is it can be traced back to a conscious (or subconscious) feeling of a lack of power. Perhaps, on some level, they recognize that they are actually dealing with an equal, thus why they take children seriously to the point of overblown, hair-yanking frustration. Can men do this too? Are men guilty of doing this too? Yes, and they're called manginas.

If you are a man - not just the member of the human species with a penis, but a MAN - your presence alone in the company of children (and women) will send out a clear message that you're in charge without so much as lifting a finger.

[–]ROIVeritas15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you are a man - not just the member of the human species with a penis, but a MAN - your presence alone in the company of children (and women) will send out a clear message that you're in charge without so much as lifting a finger.

VERITAS ^

The PMO of my office and her assistant showed me this. By ignoring them and their banter completely, they drool over me the few occasions that I stop my research to grace them with my voice.

The PMO especially doesn't take kindly to me mildly ignoring her, because regardless of her high rank in the org chart, I out rank her in every way except for in the org chart.

My frame at work is unshakeable. Give them nothing, no attention, very little eye contact, and thus they hover over my cubicle constantly.

My mild to non existent acknowledgement of her propped up authority forces them to recognize MINE. She's my bosses boss, another woman might I add, so she'll come over like today and go: "Oh so Lily tells me that you're transitioning to another dept?? This is your last day with us??"

I'm like yeah, and you wouldn't have found out any other way. She then informs me of her schedule and work although I didn't ask, and then wished me luck in my future endeavors, with a passive aggressive chuckle under her breath.

Her eyes, lips and mannerisms toward me were screaming "HUMP ME", but it's true, women lord their authority, any power at all over men, BECAUSE it is so unnatural, they rarely get to do it.

Can you imagine the high a woman feels, when she can mock and initiate with an Alpha, a young, intelligent, aloof MAN?

Middle aged frustrated corporate women, and young approaching the wall stuck in a LTR type girls do not get to talk to an alpha, on a consistent basis. The only women who get my attention for any length of time is the plate I'm with at any given time.

The women on my team do not talk to the men who are shorter or as talkative as them. They WANT to talk to me, because I reserve who gets to talk to me, and for how long, because time is the money of life, and I decided that mine is important. Women can sense if you're not the everyman.

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Yes. You've understood it perfectly.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRS736 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

She needs you to lead. The more you expect from her, the less either of you two will get from each other.

This brief quote is worth an upvote all by itself.

[–]Stopher20 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't know if this is just women. I know a lot of guys like this. This is more RP vs everyone else.

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I was listening to Opie and Anthony reruns on youtube and there was a hilarious clip about women who are into bestiality. It was all these crazy weird-looking incels, as you would imagine. But the funny thing was that as they were describing their first experiences with an animal they resorted to the same tactics that a woman would use to minimize her responsibility when it comes to being a slut. They kept saying that it "just happened."

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar57 points58 points  (2 children) | Copy

They're never fucking trying. At least, not by the male definition.

Women can do a lot of the same things we can -- They can have a career, pay their bills, negotiate at the car dealership -- but it's five times more emotionally draining.

Men and women use the word "trying" differently. To us, "trying" means starting a new activity: "I'm trying carpentry." To them, "trying" means coping with the resulting emotions from the things they already do. "I'm trying, here! Give me some sympathy!"

[–]ROIVeritas9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Perceptive, it makes so much sense.

With us, novelty, with them, sustained sameness.

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"I'm fine."

[–]pillburt3 points4 points  (18 children) | Copy

What's your theory on this phrase?

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face45 points46 points  (2 children) | Copy

As far as I can tell, it's powertalk for, "I don't want to talk about it and you should KNOW why I am not fine. How can you not know? IT'S SO FUCKING OBVIOUS."

Note, she can think this even when it is completely NOT obvious and there's literally no way you could know why she's upset.

[–]rapreaper5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Solipsism really explains a lot of women's behaviour.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's a powerplay.

"It's obvious" is blaming YOU for HER lack of communication.

The idea is that you run around giving in to her unreasonable demands. It's what children do, and it's called sulking.

If the demand was reasonable, she'd ask it and you'd do it. Because it's unreasonable, she has to make a powerplay to make it happen.

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[–]Red_SoloCup4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

That's what I do, it works surprisingly well. Eventually they spit it out.

[–]G_SEVUHHHHN1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Ahh, what did he say before he deleted it?

[–]longerdistance2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

To proceed like they mean what they say until they spit out what they actually mean themselves.

[–]8thhenry6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy

"I'm fine" is used as an immature tantrum and is to be treated as such. After I took the RP that phrase and others like it are not used by my wife.

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This. You can't let her start that shit or you'll be dealing with it forever. When I'm breaking in a new gf and I get "I'm fine" my response is "Great. Since you're fine that means we're both fine. I'm going to bed." And then I go to bed.

They can't stand it. You're supposed to spend all evening dragging whatever it is out of her so you can apologize. Fuck that. Ten minutes after I go to bed she's standing at the bedside steaming mad with her arms crossed ready and willing to tell me, in more detail than I care, why she isn't actually fine. If I actually did something wrong I own up to it and apologize. If not I tell her to grow up and go to sleep.

I've never had a girl pull that shit twice.

[–]hrm08941 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

So responding with "okay" or "great" is perfectly okay?

I remember in my bp days (still transitioning to rp), whenever my ex gf said she's fine I would ask her why and try to make her feel better. Needless to say the relationship didn't last long lol.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sure, why not? She said she's fine. If she can't act like an adult, don't treat her like one. It's not your job to fall on the sword of her crazy.

[–]MightyTaint9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's amazing that taking an adult at their word and not playing manipulative mind games is the crux of "radical misogynistic redpill shitlord thinking".

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Like I said - she'll hate it. But she'll come talk to you when she realizes this isn't going to get her the attention she wants. If you spend the entire day supplicating you're just encouraging bad behavior.

[–]BrotherBloodAngel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Had an instance where a girl tried to pull a withdrawn game on me for reasons still unknown; I asked her what she was up to, she goes "Nothing", I.e. one word answer paradise. So I play it off, "Oh great, that's perfect since I'm taking you out today". Instead of O WATS WRONG like some clueless fool would do. Cue hamster explosion of what she actually was doing and why she couldn't go out today and profuse apologies. Hilarious.

Never try to understand the hamster, deflect and tease it, nothing else.

[–]Jf5ve0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Freaked out, insecure, neurotic and emotional.

[–]Doctornamtab-4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Respond with "I'm fine too." or "It's going to look like I'm watching TV but rest assured I'm trying really, really hard to read your mind."

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[–]Doctornamtab-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't think you read that with the sarcasm I intended. I'm really not ttrying to read her mind. I continue whatever it was she interrupted and ignore her. You can't just ignore people with silence. Acknowledge her complaint was heard, it just doesn't matter until she speaks about it like an adult

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil63 points64 points  (30 children) | Copy

The corollary to women are children is women cant accomplish shit without the guidance of men. You know all those hot instagram babes. The reason they look like that is because their roided boyfriend is pushing them to squat heavy. If a woman is on track at the gym and lifting heavy 9/10 her gymbro boyfriend is somewhere in the vicinity.

The women without knowledgeable gymbros pushing them are usually herping on the treadmill or derping with five pound weights.

There are plenty of other examples of this phenomenon. But since all of us at Red Pill (allegedly gym), I thought this example would be the most relatable for this demo.

[–]ROIVeritas4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

The righteousness in your post, cannot be overstated enough.

It dawned on me heavily the second I read it the way you presented it. Truly. And the roidface, acneback BF is usually some distance away tanning or some shit, leaving his girlfriend walking around in her boyshorts while other guys gawk, not even remotely believing that her BF is in close proximity.

Kudos on this one.

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I started lifting on my own. I mean, my 70-year old gym teacher helped me learn good form, but that had nothing to do with other people male or female.

[–]maplesyruptech11 points12 points  (18 children) | Copy

With the exception of your unnecessary stereotyping of "roided gymbros" I have to agree with you.

I'm a competitive powerlifter and one of my good friend's girlfriends asked me to help her learn to lift. I didn't mind the company because she mainly stayed out of the way until I finished when I would tell her what to do. Well a couple weeks go by and she basically stops going, I ask my buddy why she stopped going and apparently she "tried but couldn't do it anymore because it was too hard" mind you this girl is pretty average sized and squatting the bar.

Even with guidance they can't do it

[–]ROIVeritas20 points21 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's for this reason I've always believed, that there are no ugly girls, just lazy ones.

Even the girls with tight bodies in college lose their waist when the pounds of crap from eating out after the clubs and after parties starts to make her ass look like a chewed up tire.

Some women with great genetics, and most women I've known aren't active. My ex had a kid with some poser club promoter after we split, and when we hooked back up after years, she had an even better tighter body than before. So there's no excuse.

I've seen some of the best looking girls fall to crap, because they honestly believe their beauty doesn't fade with their largely sedentary, superficial "look at me I'm pretty lifestyles".

Some girls gain weight only on their ass and their tits which is great, but the vast majority of them look like the pillsbury doughboy after a few years, except nobody's going to poke them because it's not cute.

Thick is doable, but its working its way to morbidly obese or overweight.

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[–]ROIVeritas2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

True. Sedentary and mediocrity are encouraged so obesity on a mass scale is not surprising today.

[–]1beerthroway9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

good friend's girlfriends

I ask my buddy why she stopped

Same buddy that's the boyfriend? Did he just accept her complaint that it's too hard like a parent letting a child stop music lessons because they complain? If that's the same friend, it sounds like he gave up and didn't lead the girl.

Also, your guidance wouldn't have the same impact as her boyfriend telling her what to do. No surprise that she stopped.

[–]maplesyruptech0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It's the same guy, I should have used the same wording. He wants nothing to do with the gym which is fine but it also probably had something to do with it.

[–]1beerthroway2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm sure it had a lot or everything to do with it. Like you said, even with guidance women won't take action. It's not just guidance they need. They need motivation, guidance, multiple lessons, validation, and so on. If he wasn't doing it, why should she?

Rollo mentions that hypergamy is usually the main motivation for a woman going to the gym. She knows she's going to be on the market soon so she needs to raise her smv. She won't self motivate any other way. Even dread is the man motivating her.

[–]1aguy013 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like she was trying to branch swing to you and when she saw it wasn't going to happen she gave up the act.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil14 points15 points  (5 children) | Copy

My girlfriend is 52 115 pounds and squats 135 for five. I had my ex deadlifting 225 in three months and squating 185 x 5 at 5 ft 8 140.

Any girl I date becomes one of the strongest girls in the gym within a 6 month period.

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[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (1 child) | Copy

no man she's 52 and 115 pounds, pay attention. It's great to see a woman that age taking care of herself!

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy

Five foot two inches 115 pounds. Our maybe you're right and im dating a brontasourus.

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[–]Hoodwink6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Even with guidance they can't do it

It's one of the reasons why I think women prefer not to go into STEM. It's a cultural/growing-up problem that's the cause.

The trend will continue even with Feminists giving women free-rides and special treatment. They have easy-mode in a number of other pursuits while STEM degrees usually takes time and some effort. Most girls haven't functioned on a level where they have to go in everyday and ache/put in mental-effort even when they really don't want to.

The reason you see women in STEM from poor countries is because life-is-hard for them naturally and they're more willing to take advantage of it.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil-4 points-3 points  (3 children) | Copy

If you dont know what rhymes with Shmalotestin then you're not a competitive powerlifter.

[–]maplesyruptech3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't know what you're trying to prove here

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Would you be willing to make a post about a topic you seem to know about and which some of us might be interested in?

[–]foldpak1113 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Every girl I've been with was a physical wreck. Tight hip flexor's, overdeveloped front deltoids, thinks a workout is 3x10 bicep curl. Won't commit to workout or diet unless I force her daily.

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Hhahaha this was brilliantly funny. "Herping on the treadmill or derping with five pound weights."

You should do standup.

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[–]Lt_Muffintoes3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

I've heard that roids shrink the balls, but can actually increase dick size. The balls shrink because they stop producing T, but why would the dick shrink? Smells like anti-masculine propaganda.

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It's a load of horse shit. It's done to scare people. My old Christian School used to tell us about STD's as if they were so dangerous that if you had sex with more than 1 person you would get aids and die.

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[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Unfortunately this rings so true and too close for comfort.

All my life I treated women as equal and always explaining myself and my rationale in life and in business, only to be confronted with the face and later on clear sign that women can't process logic, and act emotionally.

FML

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'll admit, I still have problems in this area. Women have gotten so good at sounding and acting like men that I find myself responding to them seriously out of habit. It never ends well.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy

Seeing women act as children becomes even worse as you get older. Fortunately, you're compelled to spend more time with your male friends and can have some sane, adult conversations.

[–]PeteMullersKeyboard10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is true...when dealing with, say, a 20 year old, you can almost understand it. After all, I know 20 year old dudes who act like children as well.

However, if they're getting towards 30 (or past it) and are still acting like this...it's really, really off-putting. Not even in just a "I don't want to fuck you anymore" type way, but at a basic level, more like "Please, I don't want you in my life at all"

[–]BourneRedPill4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is a required read: Woman Most Responsible Teenager in the house

Here are some quotes. In some parts replace 'teenager' with 'woman'

"Think about how a teenager refers to the family sedan, which the parents paid for, as our car. But the i-pod which he purchased with money he earned part-time at McDonald's is his i-pod. Is not the teenager’s/child’s default that his parent’s possessions are “ours” while those possessions he purchased with money he earned himself are “his,” and his alone? This directly mimics even my own parent’s marriage, where my father worked his entire lifetime to pay the bills for the family and put a roof over our heads, but when the kids were off to school and my mom took up working, the money she earned doing so was “her money.” It did not go into the family pot as my father’s income did, but became her own “special money” in almost the same way that a child’s allowance or earnings are “his money.”

"If I were a parent who had a teenager that told me they wanted to be a doctor in the future, I would do well to insert the phrase “Right now I feel like (I want to be a doctor),” in front of every choice the teenager has claimed they made. Certainly, I wouldn’t 100% take them at their word and start depleting my resources in an attempt to help them become a doctor, because in a month or two, the teen will tell me they no longer want to be a doctor but have decided on the career path of Famous Rock Star instead."

"Women are not much different. They will instinctively fitness-test a man with all kinds of irrational and basically abusive behaviour, to test the steel content of his balls by his ability to pass such tests and not put up with her crap. If the man passes her tests, she calms down and is content to live within the boundaries of behaviour which he sets for her. Once she knows there are boundaries and her man is willing to enforce them, she knows that her man is a capable provider and protector and she can relax and feel confident following his lead. The behaviour of children seeking boundaries set for them by their parents and the fitness-testing behaviour of women with their lovers is remarkably similar."

"In the same way, a woman’s love for a man will never be equal to a man’s love for a woman. The natural order and a woman’s hypergamous nature dictate that the man must be on a “higher level” than the woman. A man can love a woman just as a woman can love a child, but the reciprocal love is returned only in the form of honour and respect. Just as a child instinctively expects its parents to take care of them, so does a woman instinctively expect her man to take care of her. It is a one-way street. A woman will never be able to equally return a man’s love for her. At best, she can honour and respect him for what he does for her."

"You cannot expect a woman to be your true confidant, your soul-mate, and your respite to lean upon during the stormy times in life. That is your role for her benefit. It does not work in reverse, for as soon as you believe it can work that way, she will lose confidence in your ability to lead her and begin to resent you. She will go about illustrating her resentment by making your life as miserable as she possibly can. This may be one of the hardest lessons for a man to learn in life because it turns the whole notion of modern love as an equal give-and-take relationship upon its ear."

"A parent can respect a child and respect the child’s needs, but for a parent to treat the child as an equal would be a grave mistake. In a similar way, a man can respect a woman, but if he deems to treat her as his equal, she will soon come to resent him and leave to seek a man who actually portrays himself as superior – as a leader – to her. She seeks this instinctively. She is an empty vessel who seeks to be filled with a strong man's "truths." In the realm of seduction, a woman also seeks out a man who is able to behave in a superior fashion to her, so even if you are not yet convinced that women are as mere children but only of a larger growth, you would be well advised to treat her as one if only from the standpoint of keeping her romantically interested in you."

[–]newlifeasredpill39 points40 points  (10 children) | Copy

My marriage improved dramatically when I realized that my wife was not someone forme to count on to behave rationally.

I bought into the equality horse shit and then became very frustrated with her incessant complaining about trival matters.

Now that its understood she is a mere CHILD then her complaints are met with amused mastery rather than "solutions" which she doesnt want nor have the ability to implement.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face38 points39 points  (6 children) | Copy

Yeah, once you realize a woman complaining isn't saying, "I want to solve this problem, what engineering advice do you have for it?" and is instead saying, "I DON'T LIKE THIS! THIS MAKES ME UNHAPPY!", dealing with the complaints becomes a lot easier.

[–]garlicextract10 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy

Wait, how do you deal with it? Since it doesn't seem they're looking for a solution. Basically just nod and say "yep" while ignoring it?

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face37 points38 points  (1 child) | Copy

She's looking for you to be her rock and tell her everything will be ok.

Basically when she's being emotional, view her like a 5 year old who is freaking out that there's a monster under her bed.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly right. Be the calm that breaks up her storm. She will quickly latch on to your frame if its solid

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

They want you to make them happy. Distract them, entertain them, get them laughing. Listen to them vent if you care for it. It's not about the nail.

[–]ROIVeritas12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

Woman's emotion governs her logic. A man's logic governs his emotion.

[–]gatorganja1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

perfectly stated and should be higher up

[–]ROIVeritas1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

True RPers know, but when the topic is titled what it's titled, and the abject trolling of those who the sub bespeaks of... down votes make the blatant truth seem like rhetoric and heresay.

Said this at work once in a conversation with my boys, and it was overheard by the whore manager and her lesbo pals, the butch out of them tried to refute-- I SHUT HER DOWN:

They all transferred departments. Never saw them again.

When people can't argue against what is right, they ostracise themselves from it, or they ostracise the truth from themselves.

[–]CaptFilterless11 points12 points  (15 children) | Copy

"But I wasn't trying to..."

This is the one that I get constantly. Being needy, acting bitchy, wasting money, not taking care of her responsibilities.

The second I voice any criticism I have, that is the response I get.

"But I wasn't trying to waste money on my 12th pair of shoes!"

It's become such a go-to reply for her, I've gone past the "I understand but next time bla bla bla" and now I interrupt her as soon as it's out of her mouth with "I don't care what you were trying to do, I care about what you did."

I'm obviously handling this wrong since it's still her primary excuse. Anyone have a better retort or action I could use in this situation?

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Other than laying it out logically, the only productive thing to do is either cut her access to the money or force her to go refund every bit of it. She'll get sick of the extra trips and hopefully cut the shit out.

[–]NoRegretj10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Allstate thinks this is domestic abuse.

[–]ROIVeritas-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm obviously handling this wrong since it's still her primary excuse. Anyone have a better retort or action I could use in this situation?

How to deal with an over indulgent mother as an RP guy? Love her to death, but her love of jewelry is bleeding the family income.

Women purposefully skip lunch all week to scrimp and splurge their checks on more earrings, watches and rings.

Subscribing to the sterotypical marketing strategist's expectation that women spend more and are thus over taking men in high paying roles ?:

CHECK

[–]myrealitie10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy

I'm a woman, and I agree that you have to be extremely firm. Not whiny and annoying. I suggest setting very clear limits about what is acceptable and unacceptable, and if she starts to test the boundaries or actually crosses them, take very firm action. Ex: "This is your budget. If you don't like it there's the door. Return the shoes immediately."
This is essentially what my husband does with me :) It's very unpleasant to piss him off and very pleasant to keep him happy, so I avoid the former.

I think the only danger is being a miser. If you are a constant miser wet blanket, then she'll just hate you. I think the key is being fun and give her excitement within your own (very clearly outlined) limits, and come down hard and fast if they are encroached upon.

[–]ROIVeritas10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy

and come down hard and fast if they are encroached upon.

So women DO want boundaries.. deep down.. then it's as I always thought.

[–]1Dis_mah_mobile_one3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Everybody wants boundaries. It is simply that for men and women boundaries mean different things.

[–]ROIVeritas1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Law governs the inferior, average man. Righteous moral conduct governs the superior man" - Confucius

The average person NEEDS boundaries. The superior don't need boundaries, because no thought or idea is too far-fetched to fathom into every possible scenario, WITHOUT THEM HAVING TO ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY CROSS that boundary. That's how we become outcome independent.

Left to their own, the average person elects to cede control of themselves to their animal nature, their basest instincts. THEY, are who boundaries are for.

If you know you would't cross yourself, play yourself, or do some suicidal stupid shit, then you don't NEED boundaries. Your thoughts should be your court / field constantly playing on what's in and out of bounds.

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Think of the situation like training a dog. If a dog ate your shoes, would you tell it that it's ok this time but that it had better stop? Set firm boundaries, state a clear punishment condition if those boundaries are violated and be consistent. The punishment has to be something she cares about, like your attention.

Here's the kicker: you also need to set up intermittent reward conditions as well. Punishment has a high "extinction rate". In other words, it only works to change behavior in the short term. Intermittent rewards will form long term habits. Think slot machines at the casino.

[–]zero-irony0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What would you say is a good reward? Do you still keep the boundaries in mind when rewarding?

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Always keep your boundaries in mind and don't be afraid to punish when they're crossed, even if she's been good about it for months or years. The first time you say "it's ok, never mind" you reinforce the bad behavior, which will ensure more frequent testing of your boundaries. Think of them as what they are: shit tests.

A reward can literally be anything. Attention. Teasing. Praise. Skittles.

Here's a good and humorous example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy_mIEnnlF4

I wouldn't use food as a reward for obvious reasons, but sugar and chocolate are ridiculously effective.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This actually makes me think about making a post on psychological reinforcement schedules and women (and people in general).

I might work on that in the next week or two.

[–]meddygoon3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

yet she goes blank and unresponsive. You (or something/someone) have overwhelmed her simple mind, and now we must wait for her to re-emerge.

I don't know what type of children you spend time with but kids don't do that unless they're abused and it grows with them into adulthood. A form of dissociative avoidance to "escape" the event of stress. I've seen it with some women in births I attended and the women were practically absent from their bodies, they didn't feel much pain and were very calm, all of them were victims of childhood abuse.

[–]I_Did_It_My_Way5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

You should add:

  • I'm sorry

Women use it to appease and try to sound genuine, while not giving a fuck and doing the same thing 5min later that you called them out on, just like a kid that wants to mitigate punishment from a parent.

[–]RectalRagnarok3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I guess this all depends on their maturity. You might find childish women probably as often as you'd find childish men. It differs from person to person.

[–]sumdumguy-lost 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy

I just realized something horrific. I fit the description of the woman in this post. All of it. The can't/trying/shutdown hypoagency shit.

How the fuck do I fix this?

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Simple: Take Responsibility.

Say and think things like this: - I did this - This happened because of my actions - I can fix this - I will do X and that will probably lead to Y but it might not and then I'll do Z - What can I do about this - How can I make this work for me - I don't like this situation, but it is what it is and I will make the best of it.

Don't say "I will try". Say "I will" or "No".

This is applied to all situations, good and bad.

Now be careful of the traps in this: - It can really hurt at first. You gotta stop blaming other people. Don't underestimate the difficulty or emotional backlash in stepping up like this. But it's worth it, I promise :) - Don't take responsibility for OTHER people or their actions. Don't let them see you're manning up and start to push their problems onto you. Let go of their problems. Don't be their fixer.

[–]1aguy012 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's probably a combination of learned behaviors and low testosterone. Monitor your behavior and take steps to raise your natural testosterone (high calorie diet, lifting, avoid environmental estrogens, etc)

[–]MomoUnchained0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This blog post is pretty relevant.

[–]throwawayday555fay0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

First, take a deep breath

Second, recognize that points 1. and 3. above directly contradict each other.

Third, remember that generalizations are general and that truth is complicated and specific.

Fourth, remember that truth is different from not truth.

Fifth, remember that TRP is at best a different mix of truths and bullshits that you get elsewhere with maybe a 15-20% total difference.

[–]the_red_scimitar2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Patrice (Black Phillip Show) makes this point often and well.

[–]BoyMeetsHarem2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Lol. You just described a night of me trying to help my pre-teen daughter with her math homework.

[–]MightyTaint3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

It described a night of me helping my 28 year old girlfriend with her homework.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Discussion point: "It just happened / I don't know why I did it" doesn't mean "I don't understand how it happened" but instead means "I refuse to be held accountable for my actions and will not be criticised for it. There will be no discussion about my part in proceedings."

[–]1003rp4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

I would also like to add "I don't know" and "I don't care/Whatever you want" to the list.

[–]binrobinro2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

The last time we were talking about going out, I said is there anything you'd like to do? She said "whatever you want". I went upstairs and read a book in bed. It took her half an hour to come up and see what I was doing. I explained "You said we could do whatever I wanted, this is what I wanted."

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Passive aggressive bitch move on your part. Women need a leader, and you're no leader if you can't even decide what you want to eat for dinner, etc. Always be decisive.

[–]binrobinro1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was being decisive. She said "let's go out for dinner or something." I didn't feel like it, but was willing to. I really just wanted to relax at home, so I did.

[–]red_pill_throw_away6 points7 points  (10 children) | Copy

Great post, thanks for this. I recently experienced the Shut Down mode you explained in the post. What do you do to get around this? When it happened to me, I was a little shocked and wasn't sure what to do. How would you make a woman re-emerge or start looking at another perspective?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 7 points8 points  (9 children) | Copy

I don't think you need to look elsewhere. This is something I've witnessed with all women. Sometimes I will genuinely jam up their minds.

I tend to be a fast talker, and I build quick logical constructions easily. When demonstrating why a certain behavior will not be tolerated, I can often reason very quickly to the point where they don't respond-

I'll ask "do you understand what I'm saying?" and I'll get the lack of response.

One thing I've done in the past is hold her hand and keep going with the full lecture. She'll eventually come back to earth and I'll ask her if she understands. It's a firm but friendly approach.

[–]TheRedPillHawk 8 points8 points [recovered] | Copy

As a man who has shut down himself (or so it would seem on the outside), let me try not to justify, but to explain a possible mindset that might lead to this.

My mother (who pulled a divorce rape on my dad) is slightly above-average unreasonable for a woman. Sometimes she would ask me something that I did not want to answer from the heart because A) I didn't want to hurt her and B) I knew she wouldn't understand it anyway.

I would contemplate about what to say, she would interrupt my thinking by pressing on the topic and asking again, thus prolonging my 'shutdown'.

So why do I sometimes shut down when talking to her? Because I don't feel like there is anything beneficial for me to say. It won't make sense to her.

So for me, shutting down just means that I don't want to continue conversating before I have found something to say that we both can understand.

Conclusion:

Now, if a woman who doesn't apply logic to a topic in the first place is losing an argument and thinks that shame-tactics won't work, there is nothing for her to say, because she is trying to win an argument in which she is wrong. Now, assuming that as a woman, she is unable to find something to say at this point that makes sense to both of you, all she can do now is keep avoiding to admit to being wrong while thinking of a lie or an excuse that might get her back into the manipulation game.

[–]Red_SoloCup16 points17 points  (7 children) | Copy

I've seen women shut down in a serious scenario, regardless of an argument.

One of those moments was when my then-long-distance-girlfriend had come to visit. I didn't have a car at the time, so I had to borrow one of my buddies cars to get her to the airport. Halfway there (its about an hour drive, and we were already running late because sex) we popped a gnarly flat tire. The thing was fucking shredded. Anyway, I pulled over, called my buddy, told him what happened, asked him how he wanted me to handle it, and he said the spare's in the trunk but he had no way to come out and help. So I start getting out the spare.

I didn't think I'd be able to get her to the airport before she needed to be there while using the spare, so I handed my phone to her and said "hey babe, can you call my other friend and see if he can come get us so you can make your flight?" There was no response. I look up and she's just staring at me with a blank expression on her face. She had completely locked up. I stood up, looked at her, and said "hey, come back." She blankly looked at me, so I kissed her, and still hardly any response. So I took my phone back, called my buddy, figured everything out, and got her to the airport in time. She didn't regain consciousness until we were almost at the airport in my buddies car when the first words out of her mouth were "how do I get around the airport and onto my plane?"

She knew how to fly, she just completely locked up. I've never seen anyone shut down like that in my life. It was like she was in a different place entirely. My best guess would be that you're on the right track, but its more like they have never been taught critical thinking in stressful situations. They have a prescribed method of action and pre-determined reactions to certain situations, and as soon as those don't work they completely shut down until they find something familiar to latch onto.

[–]TheRedPillHawk 10 points10 points [recovered] | Copy

I see. I was talking about a thinking-induced, 'adult' shutdown which is contemplation while there is also the emotionally-induced, childish shutdown, which is resignation/denial.

I have never witnessed the kind you are describing, but I guess simply waiting for someone else to solve your problems is a solid alternative to crying and shouting at them to do so.

[–]Red_SoloCup1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Oh I gotcha. I don't know if I would describe the "thinking-induced" lock up as a shut down though, that's more like just contemplating what you just heard and what you're about to say. I know I argue better when I argue slower. The faster I start trying to say words the worse those words are.

Do you feel like what you used to do is actually shutting down, and mentally locking up?

[–]ROIVeritas5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women don't get grounded until they have children or real world experience, and even then they will detach from reality with lightning speed, if called for, like a possum playing dead. If they aren't used to stress, or haven't had a crisis before to handle, best believe she will fold like origami in a time of crisis.

I drove once with my mother as a child running errands. I noticed the tank was nearly on empty for quite a while, and the whole time I'm like you should get gas, stop and get gas. It's freezing cold outside, she yessed me to death a thousand time.

On our way to the store for our last errand, driving up the road and almost, I mean less than 50 ft from a train crossing, while on a slant near an intersection with heavy traffic, the car just runs out of gas, making a sound I'd never heard and don't want to hear again.

Of course cars behind us don't know this, and we begin sliding down the incline clogging up traffic, ten thousand horns blaring at us.

My fort of resolve of a mother goes.. what to do? Panics right away.. then remembers her eldest son, her responsible son. The one who gets called in emergencies, to move us from one house to another, to squash giant crickets, and help her to the hospital when my beta brother wouldnt. It had to be me.

Fortunately, there was a gas station a block away, so I run over, had to by a portable gas tank, AND gas, when I'd already given her money. Needless to say, I was seething, maybe the most enraged I'd been while having to hold frame.

Ran back filled the car, and got thanked profusely by my family and half the town, for removing our car from the middle of the road.

I decided after that, that I had to micromanage HER. The torch had been passed. I was now daddy with no kids, but all the bills, all the responsibility, all the ACCOUNTABILITY.

Women are rash. They are far too emotional to follow order without their emotion compromising their execution. Even when it's not called for, she will bring emotion to the table.

[–]redpillersinparis2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

more like they have never been taught critical thinking in stressful situations

I don't remember being "taught" how to "think critically" in stressful situations either. I'm pretty sure most people weren't taught either. It's more like that some people have to deal with stressful situations often and some people don't (say very rich or spoiled), so some people learn how to and some don't.

[–]Lt_Muffintoes1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You hear about people just letting themselves die.

I think it was in Bad Science Ben Goldacre, where there was an anecdote from a survivor of a passenger plane collision on the ground. This person recalled how their plane was semi-ok, but had caught fire. When they got up to escape, their companion simply sat there, until this person literally screamed in their face to move.
Hundreds of other people who could have escaped just sat there and burned to death.

[–]foldpak1112 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

The "shut down" is enough to prohibit women from being in the military. We need go getters, not quitters.

[–]MightyTaint-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yes, and we need catchers, not belly scratchers.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I just wish we had batters, not broken ladders.

[–]JonnyZar1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes. I like how I am constantly reminded to lead when I come here.

[–]StevenLaBerge1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I can't shake of the feeling, that this subreddit will be banned soon. Can someone tell me where this community will move then?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Puerarchy.com is our meeting place.

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Doubt it. Cross that bridge if it comes though.

[–]RAWRzilla221 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think you are confusing their inaction with inability, and glossing over a crucial fact:

Women are smart. Women are social geniuses and will employ plausible deniability whenever most benefits them. Specifically, the shut down. That is not involuntary. They are choosing to say/do nothing because later on, you cannot prove they said or did anything if they did nothing, which brings me to my second point their "I dont know why"s.

They know why. Despite their seemingly obvious lack of capacity for introspection, more often than not, they know why they did something. They just don't want you to know their motivations. This goes hand in hand with getting her to tell the truth being like pulling teeth.

Women understand the subtle art of mental warfare and know that knowledge is power, and controlling knowledge is a tactic they wield proficiently.

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I second your notion of plausible deniability at all times. It is however amazing when they slip up, every so often they fuck up but they just carry on like "phew that was close"

[–]Upvote_To_The_Left1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

One of the things that drove me crazy about my ex was her reliance on the word "I cant".

It got to the point where I made her write affirmations to help with her confidence issues.

She actually went on to get a better job which I think she is happy with now. we broke up over a year ago. But yeah. most women I have met we're very weak willed, with the exception of one. and she was an amazing fuck as well, albeit not as good looking as the others.

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I can't...

I had a conversation with a girl once about anxiety about talking in front of a lot of people. She said she always had fear and couldn't perform her best in such situations. I asked her how was she going to fix this fear (remove it from her life). She literally said "I dont know, I'll wait for it to pass away ;)".

Ofcourse smiley shows she could just be joking, but in every joke there is a bit of truth.

[–]thewrightstuff880 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

This reminds me of a 15 year old patient of mine who I had a discussion regarding food choices. She's in good shape but I attribute that to youth and genetics (metabolism). Her diet is basically pizza, chicken nuggets, and whatever she craves at the moment, and explained how she is a picky eater and doesn't eat healthy food her mother makes. I asked her why she doesn't eat what her mom makes and she says that she "can't" and that it doesn't taste good to her. I explained of course, a lot of stuff that's bad for us tastes good but in the long run it can lead to problems. She basically said that she will wait for it to pass when she's in college. I just laughed in my head at the ignorance and stupidity this girl has, also by the poor guidance of her parents in making her eat what she needs to instead of indulging in shit food

[–]MightyTaint2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

What's funny, and as I'm sure you already know, if you eat healthy food for a while, it starts to taste good, and bad food starts to taste like crap. It's not even that the child was unwilling to eat things she didn't like, she was just unwilling to give her palette time to adjust. Lazy.

[–]thewrightstuff880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

well yes, thats definitely true, the preservatives and artificial flavors they put in junk food is what shapes your palette and giving good food time to fix it is something that she isn't willing to do because she simply "can't" (her words)

[–]NaughtyFred0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That is really true, I used to love store bought frozen pizzas, now I can barely stomach that crap.

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Sounds like what happened between my ex and I. I asked her why she cheated on me and I got the AWALT response of " I dunno it just happened". Cheating does not just fucking happen. The fact of the matter is that men are creatures ruled by logic and reasoning whereas women are ruled by their emotions and feelings. It's easy for women to shrug off responsibility for their actions (even if their actions make no sense logically) because they feel that they were just following their emotions and shouldn't be held accountable because of it. Don't hate women for what they are, just understand the way they work and use that to your advantage like they subconsciously do to beta men all the time.

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[–]skate52805 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yes, yes they are.. A woman can do the most amazing things for the world..

But they will still hate another bitch for the dumbest shit...

[–]1cover200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What are those amazing things? I think you've been socialized to think that, but when you check into cases, you find out they are not so amazing.

[–]SaftBastard1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Holy fuck, you've just described everything I hate about my mother.

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[–]DemMorningWoods0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What about Angela Merkel? I recently moved to Germany and i am amazed at how BP the average german guy is

[–]1cover200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think that the educational system in Germany has neutered the people there, enforced ever since WW2 (and attempted after WW1.) They were super blue-pill back in the 1980's when I visited there first.

But Dresden is different.

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[–]InRustWeTrust0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I didn't mean to should go along with I don't know why I did it

My ex used to play this card whenever she did something that was either bat shit crazy, or something purely and simply STUPID. I never understood why her parents didnt nip this behaviour in the butt at a young age. Some women grow up with a mentality that they dont need to be held accountable for their actions.

[–]Mufasa15 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

/u/redpillschool, thank you for this post.

Ever since I started reading TRP my LTR has improve signifcantly, but there is always something that gets me upset and it is what you describe here, it's almost like you knew about my LTR...

I will have to remind myself--she is like a child, treat her as such.

Thanks for the paradigm shift.

[–]funquip0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Wow, this is the best explanation of this fact I've seen yet. I actually just had a discussion with my girlfriend about this very same thing. I am out of town on a trip and she's constantly messaging me asking me why I don't want to talk to her and such. Constantly making me explain myself, constantly telling me she doesn't understand why she acts the ways she does. It isn't okay, it caused me a whole lot of stress to respond to her insecurities every damn time.

[–]TheLoneMaverick0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

To me when ever women act like children or display hypoagency we should treat them like children, many people contest that we advocate for this, when in fact feminism is more of an enabler of women acting like children, than we ever could.

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[–]wearnocrowns0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A good and well written reminder of the fundamental truth. You can't expect a woman to think the way you do. Even the simplest things, completely natural, logical and making perfect sense to you, are beyond her reach.

Bearing in mind that you're facing a fundamentally different creature can save you a great deal of disenchantment.

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Operant conditioning, the kind you'd use to train a dog, is unreasonably effective for training your partner. Just saying.

[–]killashahmafia0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I hate that this is true. Having any expectation of responsibility on their part seems impossible. The shut down and I can't and I'm trying. No, you're not trying. You're not even doing anything to be considered trying. Is it really unrealistic that my gf can't do things on her own? If so, what's a good way to guide her to do certain things (workout) without criticizing/being direct?

[–]watersign0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

This applies to about 90% of women. There are women out there who are level headed but they are few and far between and are rarely single.

[–]1cover200 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Speaking as the husband of one of those 10% unicorns ... as they get older they get tougher to deal with. I am finding a lot of useful guidance here in the crazy things that are surfacing, that she really wasn't doing 20 years ago when we got married.

[–]Jigsus1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

This makes me so sad about marriage. I just can't imagine marrying someone knowing they will change for the worse.

[–]1cover200 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

But we are mostly done raising our children. Couldn't have done it right without both parents there.

Hence it's been a big success, since we both wanted to raise a family. As far as I am concerned, once they are launched, we could stay together or not, whatever seems best at the time.

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So the person I pick for marriage should be a good mother not a good partner for me.

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This should also serve as a wake-up call to guys - if you engage in these behaviors, you will be seen as a joke. Men don't have to know about RP to instinctively feel disgusted by a fellow grown ass man who displays these bitch behaviors.

Women can never cut these behaviors out of their personality and you will only screw them up if you try to iron these self-destructive tendencies out of your LTR. Your job as a man and leader is not to reprogram her, but to be unaffected by her child-like tendencies. You show her that a better way of navigating the world IS possible and she looks up to and learns from how you face the world. Her behavior will not change really, women mature, but they never leave their child-like mentality behind like men do. But simply by having a leader to look up to, she slowly, VERY SLOWLY, begins to hold herself to a slightly higher standard.

This process is long and arduous; most women are not really capable of any type of meaningful change. I would say it's only "worth" doing what I described above for high-quality, young, LTR-tier women because those are the ones who will be responsive and over time come into a balance of child-like femininity and adult responsibility. The "most mature teenager in the room" is not an insult in my mind - that actually to me represents the best you're going to get out of a woman if you give her proper leadership (and you start with a good quality girl).

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Women are children who just developed ways of going away going away from responsibilities without looking like actual children.

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Does anyone have insight as to how to look past or ignore the blatantly parasitical nature of women?

I can't see their nature as anything other than contemptible. Women are only useful in situations in when Men are not an option; sex.

Thus it's plates for life for me because every LTR is a case of the juice not being worth the squeeze. Sex is available in LTR's and with Plates. Sex is the only thing I value from women and thus LTR's offer me nothing I can't get cheaper elsewhere.

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How do you get your girlfriend to start working out? She just always complains that it's not like her to do exercise and blah blah. I haven't figured out how to do it. I've tried dread game and creating lots of distance, but she just won't spur into action. She loves me more and showers me with gifts and shit, but that's not what I want. I want to come home to someone I want to fuck.

[–]DanG30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She needs to SEE that you receive interest from fit women - that you are desirable to them - that you have options. Create and optimize situations where she can observe this. However - in an LTR - be careful of initiating interactions with other women, or do so sparingly in front of her. Women see Men who are desired by other women as high value. Women see Men who are caddy as low value - for a LTR.

In your specific situation however - not married - she seems to be too lazy, too soon. She will be an ongoing challenge to keep fit if/when you give her more security - rings and paperwork. I'd Next her ASAP.



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