Men don't like average women, despite what they say. Men are irritated by the very existence of average women because they don't fit men's standards of femininity.

lestratege · 2019-12-11T11:53:49+00:00

The lack of female privilege normally extended to pretty or agreeable girls does indeed feel like oppression to those who don't benefit from it.

Average and non agreeable girls are treated like a man, hence the barrage of nastiness to get under your skin to get back at you. This is pretty standard behavior amongst men, where no curve ball is off limits, including your mum.

When women get such treatment they're shocked and complain but what they fail to notice is that this is not exceptional. What is exceptional is the treatment pretty and agreeable girls get from men. However women think this is normal and that they should always be revered like that. Well sorry but it's not because you're a woman that you get this special treatment, but because you are pretty or agreeable. If you are neither, you're gonna get the standard treatment.

webernicke · 2019-12-11T12:56:00+00:00

"Men don't like average women"

Still gets hit on when admittedly overweight and worse than average.

Coder-Cat · 2019-12-11T12:57:35+00:00

Ohhhh this hit me kinda hard.

10ish years ago I went from a petit runner with a pixie cut to a chubby chick with an awkward haircut in the span of 3 months due to a back injury.

My personality didn’t change, but damn if men didn’t start acting irrationally angry towards me.

This one time I flirted with a guy AND OH MY GOD you would have thought I called his mom a whore.

Another time, a guy was gawking at this women’s ass, he then looked at me and sneered, and then continued gawking at this ladies ass.

The number of guys who intentionally let the door close on my face was pretty staggering, too. I thought people held the door for other people out of common courtesy... turns out you only get that courtesy if you’re a cute chick.

Took me several months to loose the weight but it was a huge learning experience for me.

abaxeron · 2019-12-11T12:09:27+00:00

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unicorns- · 2019-12-11T13:27:33+00:00

If you want pretty girl treatment, be a pretty girl.

geyejoe7 · 2019-12-11T12:26:27+00:00

I have to admit, I behave better to good looking people. It's just instinctive.

And if a woman is good looking, I will be more likely to help her than an average looking one.

But what I consider average, most men would consider ugly... Because I never had high standards.

I also avoid conversations with women I don't know that are not that good looking. Not being rude ofcourse, I'm very polite in person. It's just that if I get a comment from a random person I don't know, I'll value it more if they're good looking.

I do think it's something subconscious about having higher SMV if you're only surrounded by good looking friends. Idk tbh.

I do have some not that good looking female friends. So it obviously doesn't apply all the time.

I'm not irritated tho. Idc about what people around me look like or my general interactions with them lol

TheJim66 · 2019-12-11T12:08:51+00:00

First of all,that weight isn't average, it's being fat.

I've had a guy hitting on me, whom I politely turned down.

You had a man HITTING on you while overweight and you conclude that they are IRRITATED by average women?What?

He just got pissy because you turned him down.

It's funny how average women are regularly insulted to the point that men gave every single female flaw an extremely derogatory name -

This is how men talk.We do it even to hot women."Slut" comes to mind .

I've never seen men being consistent in anything as they are in cruelty towards anyone that doesn't fit -

While women are such sweethearts to those that don't fit...

Just look at the women are wonderful effect.Men are programmed to love women .It's just that the uglier you are the less special treatment you get.

DubsPackage · 2019-12-11T13:09:16+00:00

Nearly all women I see seem feminine to me, even the "average" ones.

I am not irritated by them.

Women with masculine/feminine traits don't irritate me either.

I probably wouldn't bang a masculine woman but her existance does not bother me.

And I am genuinely puzzled by such charges, it is so far away from my reality.

Creation_Soul · 2019-12-11T12:51:14+00:00

I think it depends on how you interact with people.

If I interact with you in a work environment, you could be a 2/10, a 5/10 or a 10/10, i will treat you the same.

If you are a friend, I will also treat you the same, regardless of how you look.

The real difference is in the dating market, where looks do matter

escapethesolarsystem · 2019-12-11T20:13:15+00:00

I grew up as a slightly overweight teenage girl ( I never weighed more than 140, but that's considered overweight in Europe). I also had to wear braces. I lost my excessive weight and had braces removed just before I turned 18, so growing up both average and beautiful really opened my eyes to the true nature of men.

I hate to burst your bubble, but most likely you went from below average to average, unless you're somewhat tall (you don't mention your height).

women with a combo of masculine and feminine traits and/or 10-15 pounds extra

Ok, where I live, this is not average, this is significantly below average. Fatness is an instant 4/10 or below. 80-90% of women from ages 14-30 are normal weight and feminine in character. I'm not sure if you mean physical or character traits, but I will say that most women have a few less feminine / more masculine physical features (too hard a nose, too strong a jaw, too narrow hips, etc) so part is normal.

It's funny how average women are regularly insulted to the point that men gave every single female flaw an extremely derogatory name - "horseface", "manjaw", "pancake tits"... I was regularly insulted almost exclusively by men - women just didn't care. If anything, women would try to help me with their advice on how to lose weight.

You were definitely far far below average. If women didn't insult you that means you looked so bad they actually felt pity on you. Women insult other women when they are jealous, most of the time. Men also usually don't insult women because they want a chance with them. If men are insulting you, that means you were so low down the scale none of them considered you even pump and dump (even without telling their friends about it) material.

Fortunately, as you mention, you make some effort and now look better. So pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and go live like the rest of us. Everyone cares about looks, that's just life.

Cuntfart9000 · 2019-12-11T13:35:37+00:00

A woman's definition of "average" is 300 lbs with short pink hair. That's not average.

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maljo24 · 2019-12-11T11:53:14+00:00

Men like women, including average women. It appears it is your personality, not your body, that defeats you.

nevomintoarce · 2019-12-11T11:34:23+00:00

The average person isn't attractive. I think both sexes have an idea about how the average person *should* look like based on their standards or expectations. And the cuntier they are the more they lash out at people who don't meet their standards, be it weight or height or whatevs.

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LotBuilder · 2019-12-11T19:55:55+00:00

Average or below average women don’t get treated badly unless they are obnoxious. If they are not obnoxious they just get ignored.

abaxeron · 2019-12-11T12:24:04+00:00

And how are we supposed to CMV a post based entirely on your "personal experiences" that we have no way to confirm or disprove? What imaginable counter-evidence could convince you?

And why does your post read like the script draft for Netflix series "Insatiable"?

simplythedevilxd · 2019-12-11T15:18:32+00:00

It became obvious to me men really can and frequently do hate women they want to sleep with

Easy there tiger. Not because the men you associate yourself with do something in which you PERCEIVE and interpret as hate, it doesn't mean that

it is true
it applies to every single man in the world

Also whats up with PPD women lately when they keep saying that men hate women (https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/e7tgnc/the_biggest_issue_with_the_dating_market_is_the/) ? Maybe women hate men and project those feelings?

Also, I have lived and experienced a somewhat similar experience to you. My life changes completely after puberty. And even more now in adult life (they went from treating me poorly and calling me names to swallowing my semen and asking for more).

Everything you said in your post is true in the other way as well (women treat men they deem unattractive as subhuman [that is assuming they DO acknowledge that they exist]).

The more I comment here the more I get the idea that (PPD) women hate men.

diladusta · 2019-12-11T17:51:11+00:00

Absolutely. Also, no matter what they say, men do not want or respect "good" girls. They mostly ignore them while showering the more stereotypically trashy types that they pretend to abhor with attention. Probably because they think they'll be easier. And if they're lucky enough to get a good, supportive girl, they generally will treat her like shit.

nevomintoarce · 2019-12-11T12:03:32+00:00

If you are fat then you are far from average. You are just ugly and not attractive. However nothing is lost because losing weight is easier than gaining it. There are no extra pounds. A woman is either fat or not. She's a 0 or 1.

Dustin_Bromain · 2019-12-11T19:22:13+00:00

This is so absurd I don’t even know where to begin.

Tomatoccino · 2019-12-11T19:30:41+00:00

Men don’t like women, as you can see from the comments already.

ResponsibleCharacter · 2019-12-11T19:10:53+00:00

And may that Stacy never come along, or if she does look him up and down and laugh.

Amen.

2019-12-11T12:35:22+00:00

Women rate men stricter than men rate women. Polygamy forces women to be choosy and leads to the bulk of men being left behind.

goldmedalflower · 2019-12-11T12:38:12+00:00

Men are visibly uncomfortable in the presence of average women.

How do you explain that your typically "average girl" (average, not hideous) still has hundreds of "likes", matches, in-box flooded and otherwise a huge amount of attention with online dating?

Don't compare average hot to super hot girl, compare her experience to her looksmatch. She still has to put in a fraction of the effort as her hypothetically exact male counterpart.

Truedemocracy5 · 2019-12-11T18:38:32+00:00

This is so untrue lmao

Will agree that men will put women down with those terms. But that’s more male showboating, almost every guy I know who has used terms like that is married to or dated a uggo. They just like to use things like butter face to feel cool with the guys

That said, average women have social value. Average men don’t. example look at a GDI in college - women can get into any party. Men masturbate at home alone.

In high school average women still get dates. Average guys really don’t.

In adult life on a dating app average women have likes. Average guys don’t.

Your theory doesn’t bode out with the data. Sorry.

MrShakedown1 · 2019-12-11T18:42:06+00:00

We like to fuck them, so that' something ? Contrary to women and their 80% of male population can go to trash with their DNA and looks.

JustRuss79 · 2019-12-11T19:38:21+00:00

Most men never get approached no matter how good looking they are. Approaching a woman is extremely nerve wracking for most men. Being rejected HURTS most men.

SOME men do not take rejection well, especially if they thought they had a shot with a more "mildly attractive" woman than they usually approach.

I believe, and have anecdotes that I won't use to back me up... that MOST men do not CARE about average or below average women... they are just non-gendered people that don't register on any scale.

Plenty of men find all sorts of Non-Feminine women attractive... or rather, a pretty girl is pretty whether she is a tomboy, a weight lifter, slightly overweight...extremely obese...

wtffellification · 2019-12-11T13:02:38+00:00

The issue is you aren't really accounting age into this. a woman's age is highly correlated with her attractiveness

I am 25. when I see an average looking 40 year old woman, you think that because I don't consider her a romantic option, this means I hate her and her presence makes me uncomfortable?

who hurt you?

King-in-the-making · 2019-12-11T18:17:06+00:00

You ever think this is a YOU problem? You sound like an insecure cunt. Stop projecting your shitty life perspective on other people.

Work on yourself. If you’re “average” how the hell do you expect to stand out? Nah, I’m sure bitching on reddit vying for sympathy is the way to go.

MuleFool42 · 2019-12-11T18:48:08+00:00

A few anecdotes and half of the world are hateful bigots? Not buying it.

sadomasochrist · 2019-12-11T19:33:03+00:00

TIL traditional conservative times never existed.

HWGA_Gallifrey · 2019-12-11T19:42:28+00:00

Men have a base preference for women that changes over time from obese to thick to busty to average to skinny to waif. This is observable and immutable fact.

What people fail to realize is that a guy's favorite female body type is the one he's fucking.

El_Guapo2020 · 2019-12-11T20:00:27+00:00

He yelled at you after you rejected him , so obviously he ‘liked’ you his reaction and further insults is called Sour grapes you hurt his ego so he tried to hurt you back. Attractive women get the same treatment it’s very common for women to get cursed out and attacked by men they reject so this sob sorry about you being average is bunk .

toddfan420 · 2019-12-11T20:01:07+00:00

Many of women's complaints seem to revolve around these men that flip out when they don't get their way.

Here's an idea: let's just put our heads together and deal with this problem, instead of constantly using it as a cudgel to win a narrative war and defend feminism

Kos_-_Omak · 2019-12-11T20:09:08+00:00

Maybe you're just a lot uglier than you think. Most people tend to overestimate their looks.

Workaholiconew · 2019-12-11T20:32:47+00:00

The fact the same research which men used to say '80/20' says that the group which they showed interest the most were exactly in the middle of the scale of beauty says the average (or more precisely, the half way point woman) is the most interesting.

Men consider women who are not feminine as unattractive, that is just it. yes, there is the case of women who had their value go down to mid tier because of their choice of becoming more masculine, but it is just how things are. Men like feminine women, just like they like breasts and butts. There may be some divergence, but for the most part that is the rule.

Men are good to attractive females. Men are not being hateful to average women. They are just being good to particularly attractful women.

brackenz · 2019-12-11T20:37:05+00:00

sorry OP but nobody is "uncomfortable" around you because you were average, they just didn't care or give you any extra attention like they did to prettier girls and that made you uncomfortable

its slightly similar to what happens to incels tbh

Almondxxx · 2019-12-11T21:11:40+00:00

Jesus- where do most of you people live?

I hold the door for men and women both who I find attractive and not attractive lol. Young or old, in fact if they are old I hold the door open longer. I am not out here in the world to be mean. I don’t appreciate inappropriate comments from men (either attractive or unattractive)

The only thing I do is stare at someone I find attractive— maybe not stare but I look. It also depends on what they are wearing, maybe it’s a nice style (men or women) I generally notice someone’s style first and I admire someone who can present themselves well.

I can’t fathom a time, as a woman, where I was rude because the person was ugly.

Who raised you folks? Sheesh

clindh · 2019-12-11T21:40:30+00:00

I mean the average American woman is 172 pounds so of course we don’t want that

2019-12-11T21:45:57+00:00

While I'm sure this applies to some men, what percent is anyone's guess.

I think you are comparing how men treat Stacy with how they treat the average woman and mistaking the differential as cruelty.

Yes very attractive women get an ulterior motive red carpet treatment, but its pretty obvious whats going on.

I've had a guy hitting on me, whom I politely turned down. His personality changed 180 degrees. He started insulting me

People act badly when rejected, this isn't unique to men.

Men are visibly uncomfortable in the presence of average women

Hilarious. How do you know?

2019-12-11T21:54:00+00:00

I agree that men feel more entitled to sleep with women who are average and so will hit on them more often and, as a result, have them get angrier more often. However, I have been considered quite above average by guys and still get guys really angry about me denying them. This is usually because these men are rating themselves as much higher value than they are. One guy who was wildly overweight, facially attractive but that's all, and poor af referred to himself as a Chad to me.

What it is at the end of the day is they don't like you implying (whether you mean to or not, they take it this way) that you are too attractive to them when they see themselves as on your level or above.

wenoopic · 2019-12-11T21:55:05+00:00

"horseface", "manjaw", "pancake tits"...

I had been on the red pill for at least 10 years, and I NEVER heard or read those words.

You are lurking on some shitty places, most probably incel forums.

rus9384 · 2019-12-11T22:07:39+00:00

10-15 pounds extra.

Extra to what? Average? Then it's not average average by definition, unless you are better than average in other parameters.

When I look at girls around me I see most of them being quite slim. And since you are from Europe I am not sure how it's untrue for you.

As for masculinity, some of masculine traits can even be beneficial for attracting men.

I've had a guy hitting on me, whom I politely turned down. His personality changed 180 degrees.

It's not as much about you as it is about him. That can happen to Stacy as well.

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Undead_Chronic · 2019-12-11T22:59:16+00:00

Another woman who thinks the world revolves around her

Bntt89 · 2019-12-11T23:43:13+00:00

Or you just ugly that could be possible too? Maybe the average was a bit of a stretch? Also you still got hit on by a guy even when you weren't attractive? Is that disproving your point? You do also understand that hot women get hated on to for turning down guys right? That literally shit men.

Five_Decades · 2019-12-12T01:10:17+00:00

In what world is 140 lbs or having an extra 10-15 lbs considered overweight? Are the standards in east asia and eastern europe really that stringent?

G77R23D · 2019-12-11T12:24:42+00:00

Some men may do this, but I dont. The women that do frustrate me are those that destroy their beauty, fat women in their 20s.

Pro tip ladies: it's the daily starbucks.

CharlerBubbenstein · 2019-12-11T13:59:25+00:00

I'd be perfectly happy in a relationship with an average woman. The only problem is that I already know how to cook and clean and exist. If this hypotetical woman was a smart one, that gave me conversation and care, I'd waifu her up, no matter her average average appearance. Too bad these unicorns don't exist, they usually come with bitchiness and other undesirable traits.

If that is the case, I'll stay by myself, or try my luck with more attractive women if I just want the sex.

PaulaJMM · 2019-12-11T18:04:47+00:00

People who talk of “Chad” are the LEAST likely to care about women as people and are they most likely to think women owe them something for showing the most basic of human decency to them.

Pastelitomaracucho · 2019-12-11T12:29:04+00:00

Found the Frenchie.

But yeah, as a man, I will give you that.

We do not downright hate average women, but we can easily find flaws to justify our disdain to them with. But this is not something we do to females, this is something we do to everyone. If we would apply the same level of roasting to women that we apply to our male friends, there would be riots.

The good thing is, that happens towards complete strangers. Once one dude really likes you, he is going to love every imperfection as part of who you are.

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ToraChan23 · 2019-12-11T15:08:38+00:00

I too like to paint an entire gender based on my experience with an extremely limited number of them.

I call that my "being a dumbass" time.

Psych0_W0lf · 2019-12-11T19:46:42+00:00

140 is fat not average.( If you are not over 6 feet tall)

If you have the ability to be 5/10 with your looks. It's already down to 3,4/10 with fat body.

candlemass63 · 2019-12-11T11:25:13+00:00

Sorry but being a man here I find your post despicable. I respect all women,large,small,overweight or average.

gimpgirl555 · 2019-12-11T11:45:24+00:00

This exactly is why they are simultaneously irritated by average women,but happily bang them until a Stacy comes along.

That has to be a new thing. When I was young no one was banging average women.

sleeper5ervice · 2019-12-11T12:13:27+00:00

I've had a guy hitting on me, whom I politely turned down. His personality changed 180 degrees. He started insulting me and yelling at me.

Let's say this was a platonic situation of a guy starting a conversation with another guy, with an audience of other guys. To be curtly turned down, which is to say not reciprocating, drawing out convo, playing along etc. Switches up the game to trading jokes at the expense of 'the other' tribe/to make fun of; a preamble negotiation before conflict.

with sake of trying to understand my bias I'm a guy 35, in American south.

As a kid I switched from a primarily Caucasian to mostly black/African American school. At the time it felt like I was getting constantly harassed for 2 years but in hindsight I was still learning the slang and rituals; it was expected of me that I was to 'throw that shit back' with my own clever insults as a test of wit and gain some respect.

Yo mamma is so fat... that her endocrine systems leptin response regarding signaling of starvation... is all fucked... and she's a thirsty bitch, that selfie angle just keeps going up, higher and higher; Still Can't see her feet.

DisastrousMeaning1 · 2019-12-11T14:33:27+00:00

The only thing you're halfway correct about is how some men will insult or become hostile to a woman who's turned them down.

The rest of it, not so much. Men aren't uncomfortable around average or unattractive women unless those women show overt sexual interest.

10-15 pounds extra doesn't make a woman "average".

Men don't go around calling average women names to their faces, for no reason other than those women are present or just around somewhere. Are you saying men would just call you names, in public, just because you were there? Seems hard to believe, because this isn't how men act around average or even unattractive women. How men act around unattractive women is mostly indifferent. Polite at best, mildly dismissive and avoidant at worst.

It's not that men don't like average women. It's that men aren't attracted to average women and therefore don't really care about average women. Average women irritate men only when those average women start acting sexually interested, and those men don't reciprocate that interest and don't want to. Average women don't irritate men because of lack of femininity or because they're unattractive, or even because they're just there. Average women irritate and annoy men because they try to get sexual attention from certain men who don't want to return it.

mpnsk · 2019-12-11T16:16:17+00:00

This exactly is why they are simultaneously irritated by average women,but happily bang them until a Stacy comes along.

Was that your experience?

2stoned0jaguar9tre · 2019-12-11T19:43:15+00:00

Thats a lie. Most men would be happy with an average overall women. The only issue is that in Western countries, the overall population is so one sided on all traits, the overall average is overall just not appealing for men.

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