Observed my daughter using/abusing a Beta: She's 11

PantsonFire1234 · 2016-01-15T03:10:57+00:00

You need to teach your daughter the morals that you yourself uphold and believe in. Tell her to think for herself and not be dragged with the currents of her friends.

Those girls laughing rewarded her with even more social positive feedback. If she continues down this path it could possibly lead to some ugly things. Bad relationships, abuse and drugs for one.

I see it all the time at parties. Young girls go all out because their friends encourage them. Imagine such a mindset in college.

DarthExero · 2016-01-15T05:38:57+00:00

She has power at a young age. If she was some 11 year old girl who was overweight and had no friends and he asked her if he could come to her party it would have likely gone very differently. Attractive women get a lot of social power very early in life and they don't yet have the maturity to NOT abuse such power.

Men are generally very different. The most powerful men in their 40s and 50s weren't the most powerful boys from 9 to 25. Generally they worked at obtaining it for decades and have a much more mature attitude about it.

MattyAnon · 2016-01-15T04:57:44+00:00

Now just imagine a boy of 11 punching a girl in the face (even with her consent).

When your daughter grows up, she'll figure out that she doesn't even have to give out the invitation afterwards.

Gilkanese · 2016-01-15T16:56:55+00:00

I don't know what's up with these comments saying that you should let this behavior slide, or worse, encourage it. I get it, women are horrible and can get away with anything, so you should encourage your female children to be as sociopathic as possible.

Except they can't. The sort of attitude this behavior cultivates will leave her a failure of a human being. Maybe romantically there will be people who put up with this sort of behavior, but these gross displays of sadism won't serve her well academically or professionally.

I think canceling the party and forcing her to apologize to the boy are the bare minimum things you need to do to start with. The fact that she's doing these sorts of things at age eleven is a bad sign in my opinion, and you need to help fix her.

GraphicSeniorNudity · 2016-01-15T02:16:01+00:00

Jesus christ dude get your daughter in check. This isn't a "it's not ok to hit other people sweetie" moment. This is a "your party is cancelled everyone go home" moment.

SinisterSinistro · 2016-01-15T02:47:24+00:00

It's punishment time for her, that behavior was evil, despicable and cruel.

The__Tren__Train · 2016-01-15T04:30:59+00:00

wow.. I have never witnessed that type of cruelty before..

and to think your daughter is 11 years old lol. damn

she's going to be falsely accusing guys left and right and then end up in a shallow grave if you don't nip this shit in the bud.

2comment · 2016-01-15T03:52:04+00:00

That was a punishment moment and you missed it. Punishments have to be quick, fair and equitable (punishment fits the crime - you don't beat a kid senseless for stealing a cookie), and the child told precisely what she's being punished for.

My grandfather raised a bitch. My aunt. She was a loudmouth and abusive to her three brothers. Every adult in her family kowtowed to her and her wishes. She ended up having 8 kids by 3 dads. All but 3 of her kids have disowned her. She wrecked her own family and marriages.

Much of why western civilization is disintegrating because the girls don't feel consequences for her actions. It's very simple here, reverse the genders. Would you have stepped in? That's how you prevent a cunt and make her life happier in the long run.

causeandcorrelation · 2016-01-15T05:43:17+00:00

OP. You are raising a cunt. Fix it.

reddit_sucks2 · 2016-01-15T01:48:34+00:00

Maybe this has nothing to do with her being female, maybe she's just a bitch.

tb87670 · 2016-01-15T03:00:16+00:00

Your kid, handle that shit how you feel appropriate. If you feel she wronged that boy (we all know what she did was cruel from what we read here) then take appropriate measures to ensure she knows this is not correct behavior. Hypergamy and solipsism only exist at such a high frequency today because prior generations let this exact sort of thing slide one small bit at a time.

wanderer1976 · 2016-01-15T06:58:29+00:00

Dude, what have you been doing about the behavior leading to this? The response should have been immediate. Cancel the party. Stress the importance of respecting everybody, especially people others look down on.

genghiscoyne · 2016-01-15T15:33:52+00:00

Tl;dr "I'm raising one of the women we mock"

sir_Preacher · 2016-01-15T08:33:14+00:00

Bad behaviour in public must be punished instantly in public; bad behaviour in private must punished privately

This is one of the cardinal rules of parenting.

Failure to punish her in public will encourage the other kids to repeat the same bad behavior. You will also be thought of as a bad father.

You missed an opportunity to give her a correction that will stick with her for life.

absoluteskeptic · 2016-01-15T14:02:36+00:00

For all you judgemental pricks out there blaming me for creating demon-spawn

Yeah, my situation isn't as bad as yours, but if the parents are not working as a team, it's hard to keep a handle... especially emotional time-bombs like 11 year old girls. They will say black is white for absolutely no reason, and they don't even know why they are saying it.

abdada · 2016-01-15T01:50:33+00:00

You know your wife secretly supported the slap.

Don't white knight the schlub.

DarkuSchneider · 2016-01-15T06:31:07+00:00

Kids have the capacity to be quite cruel but can be taught what is not acceptable to limit it. Now days it seems society gets more face time in a day with kids than their families. I could not be certain this is a sign of a natural Mach based on what is known. Kids like humans will work out their pecking order through various rituals but it sounds like she was possibly putting on a show for her friends for sure. It would be more insightful to her mental state if she did it of her own inspiration or if she was instructed from one of the friends.

Louis CK lays out girls vs. boys quite well...

throwawaypille · 2016-01-15T17:14:25+00:00

If you've got daughters from about 11 upwards until they are 16 or so, your eyes will be opened to the Red Pill. You know about these cyber bullying instances you read about? That's mostly teenage girls bullying the shit out of each other and other hapless betas. It's scary shit. One 15 y o bitch manipulated her father into attacking me about my daughter bullying his daughter online - turned out to be the opposite scenario with her hurling a long line of abuse over weeks to my daughter and she replied she was a bitch, and this was supplied as evidence of bullying.

The same daughter was out getting off her face on vodka any chance she got - and sent a topless selfie with her and my daughter's ex bf (who turned out to be gay) and that's only the stuff I knew about. The parents were oblivious to this.

Don't worry, I know my own daughter is no saint either, AWALT - but I've left her in no doubt about my thoughts as to how she should behave. In fact she sees me as a role model and not her mum, which I see as an achievement.

daveofmars · 2016-01-15T03:38:11+00:00

If it were me, I would have taken the boy aside, asked if he was alright, and made sure she saw the gesture of sympathy. I would have made sure he got home okay. Then, I would cut off all attention to her entirely - not yelled, not screamed, not even made mention of it. However, she would effectively be invisible.

Shaming, out-grouping and withdrawing attention are like kryptonite to women, especially young girls. She'd understand right quick.

But that's only hindsight.

I'm half tempted to say inform the wife and see how the feminine side dishes out punishment, but then again I don't know who the main disciplinarian is in your family. Proper punishment is real tough when the event is long over because kids don't feel the immediate impact - there's no association between what I'm doing now and this bad feeling from being scolded. It's ineffective to inflict punishment long after the crime.

StotheGG · 2016-01-15T07:12:12+00:00

Your entire conclusion about your daughters behavior and AWALT only demonstrates to me that your daughter is mimicking your wife's behavior. I think that you're probably ABUSED by your wife and were probably abused by your mother. So, you actually are trying to find ways to justify your abuse through the redpill.

No, what your daughter did has nothing to do with hypergamy and everything to do with cruelty. She preyed on a vulnerable person and found amusement in inflicting physical pain an another human being. This is not normal behavior, be it from a boy or girl. The fact that you did nothing shows me you're PARALYZED WITH FEAR of the women in your life.

Don't use redpill theory to justify being abused by women. 'Well its okay, cause all girls are like that.'

Lastly, you should tell your daughter that you're ashamed of her, that you never imagined she'd do such a thing, and that such behavior will come back to haunt you. She might think its funny but when the other children tell their friends, and those friends tell their friends, she'll actually grow to be hated and people will enjoy trying to do things to hurt her when the opportunity arises as a form of 'justice.' And they'd be right.

Money_Bags97 · 2016-01-15T04:55:25+00:00

OP you gotta nip this shit in the bud. As other comments said, she'll grow up a sjw or a total bitch. Quick story...

I know a middle school kid who calls herself a "bad bitch". Her mom is horrible, has more red flags than a Nazi convention, and most likely has some mental disorder. Worst part is her mom reinforces this "bad bitch" behaviour. She literally picks fights with the students and even said she was gonna beat some kids ass if they talk shit about her daughter. THE FUCKING MOTHER. I could go in for hours about this womenchild.

She told me "yeah I'm a bad bitch" with that bitch face I'm like......uh, no your just a regular bitch. Good luck with your miserable life later.

TL;DR: Girls turn into their mothers

SILENTSAM69 · 2016-01-15T08:53:37+00:00

Good job buddy. Sounds like you handled it well. This gives me something to think about as my daughter gets older.

Purecorrupt · 2016-01-15T14:37:33+00:00

I don't have kids so maybe it's just me, but it appears that everyone is over-analyzing this entire thing. Tl;dr - Kids are shitheads.

Tharberg · 2016-01-15T15:38:16+00:00

For all you judgemental pricks

K how about you stfu, bad daddy? I know it's not nice for people to criticize your parenting but if you don't give the whole story at first, what do you think people will assume?

BradPill · 2016-01-15T09:10:38+00:00

I would have her sincerely (!) apologize to the kid as well - in front of the whole group, so she knows she can't BS about it later on. And take a pic or two - only to remind her once she starts to act up again.

NimbleStorm · 2016-01-15T15:13:25+00:00

This story reminds me of an experience I had when i was around the same age. There was a girl I had been "seeing" (holding hands walking from class to class). One day she, a couple of her friends and I were at the public pool. I had been wanting to get my first kiss from this girl and had asked her about it. She said something to the effect of "I'll give you one kiss if you hump that inflatable whale over there."

Being the prepubescent alpha that I was(lol), I walked away and never talked to her again.

Girls learn the power they have over men early, and they will use it to embarrass you, or worse.

FLFTW16 · 2016-01-15T16:20:10+00:00

This is why religion is a powerful tool. TRPers regularly shit on religion. It's a tool. A weapon, even. Wield that shit to your ends.

Even if you aren't physically there to watch her behavior, Jesus Christ is ALWAYS watching and listening. Sins are punishable even if she doesn't get caught.

Morality can't be instilled through reason or logic, alone. And it can't be just you. It's a community effort. A church may be able to provide that community. At least consider it.

VodkaTankerSpill · 2016-01-15T17:22:06+00:00

What the fuck? Are you divorced and only see your daughter once a month? How the fuck do you let her get away with this kind of behavior?

RagingTherapist · 2016-01-15T05:35:05+00:00

I've read a lot of your responses and I am not a TRP contributor at all, but I'm going to ask one question which to me reads at the heart of this entire forum: What have you done about this behavior? Because, according to your replies, you are quite obviously simply watching your daughter and not providing constructive feedback. This is detrimental for any child (regardless of sex/gender/bullshit) that you happen to raise. Your own title speaks to how you are simply observing. Where are you instilling your virtues and principles? Where are you being an actual father? Grab your goddamn balls and be a parent.

Toolman890 · 2016-01-15T01:59:18+00:00

Buy her some food she wants and do the same thing to her, then eat it in front of her and tell her what's up.

I_Luv_Procastinating · 2016-01-15T11:06:47+00:00

I'm reading the book "How to Win Friends & Influence People" by Dale Carnegie and read that positive reinforcement goes a lot better in teaching someone a desired behaviour than negative reinforcement.

I'm not telling OP how to raise his daughter or even criticizing him but I'm just genuinely curious as to what someone can do to fix this problem behaviour in a positive manner instead of a punishment. The daughter wanted to impress her friends so what kind of positive incentives (or any other solution) could solve this?

It'd be nice to know so that you guys all have more possible options next time something similar to this happens in your lives.

the_optiomal · 2016-01-15T14:15:49+00:00

It think it is good that you posted this and that the people giving you shit are probably cowards that don't even have children

SephiXen · 2016-01-15T14:41:43+00:00

You probably should've stopped this as it was happening man. At least then you could set an example for potentially her, her friends, and especially the orbiter. I probably would've sat the fella down for a talk about self respect but that's just me.

TheThingsIThink · 2016-01-15T16:05:06+00:00

I hope you did that boy solid and gave him some real knowledge. He is probably being told

girls are really going to start liking you around 28 when they figure out that you have everything together

thanks mom

SkorchZang · 2016-01-15T20:06:06+00:00

If you ask me, it may be even more important (for the Father Figure) to instill in the girl that she cannot ever, under any non-emergency circumstances raise her hand against a male. This not having anything to do with respectable high morality, but fearful wisdom along the same lines as "do not willingly step in front of a speeding truck". Not all males out there are pussified feminism worshippers, some are dangerous. Hit the wrong guy even in jest like that and it could end in serious injury fast when he hits back.

She will continue to manipulate halpless betas in other ways, that part will be taken care of by mother nature. Hopefully at least she will have enough fear of God in her from Dad's lectures to not hit any men she's trying to "date" down the line, like some women do nowadays. Any sufficiently "red pill" man will instantly next a woman for doing that, which is a crying shame if nobody ever taught her not to be an idiot, because then she has to nurse her broken heart and painstakingly try to find a new man of similar qualities.

Hughtub · 2016-01-15T23:31:57+00:00

Bullshit. You sound like you're either a negligent or beta father yourself if you're daughter did. This isn't typical young girl behavior. This is the behavior of a girl whose mother is more in control than her father.

Porcodiolurido · 2016-01-15T15:06:29+00:00

My.

Fucking.

Gawd.

11 yo and she's already acting like an evil bitch, while the boy is already a beta loser? Goddamn I am happy to be sterile... Mate, please remember that for every lesson you give her, society is going to give her 100 lessons. You can punish her once, but this society actively promotes and encourages this behaviour. Do not be ashamed if your lesson goes unheard. I bet that the only thing that she will understand is "hide from dad before being an evil bitch"

Redneck001 · 2016-01-15T16:11:51+00:00

I see shades of my 10 yo daughter here.

She has a neighborhood orbiter. He's friend zoned for life. She disrespects him, bosses him around, just runs all over him. Now, I should take responsibility for creating my entitled princess, and I discipline and counsel when her behavior crosses the line. But, this boy needs to learn to deal with women. So I actively plot with him against my daughter.

So far, I've taught him dominant body language, how to.A&A, AM. Since he has no abundance, I've helped him "make up" a mystery girlfriend. Since working with him, I've heard him respond to her disrespect with "who do you think you're talking to?"

Obviously, he can't hold frame for shit. But we're working on that.

The highlight of our work is that another girl asked him to the 4th grade dance. My daughter is pissed that her orbiter was asked by another girl.

Slowly, this boy is learning to be a man.

Now, you're thinking I'm a horrible father. But I teach her to break a boy's frame. Because she will need to be able to attract a high value male, pretenders need not apply.

She goes to the Iron Temple 3 times a week, and has a program that I designed for her.

And since I'm the highest value man in her life, the bar is set pretty damn high. Those little boys had better bring their A game, because my little girl will chew them up if they don't.

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dirtydog413 · 2016-01-15T12:49:56+00:00

Thanks for sharing this story and I honestly think you have handled it perfectly. I am early 40s and remember what 11 year old girls were like when I myself was a 'socially awkward' 11 year old boy! Shudder...

billcosbyeatsbabies · 2016-01-15T05:51:38+00:00

this is something my dad would let my little sisters get away with. as a kid just about to graduate this is pissing me off. i'm about to go graduate and get out of the shit hole i'm living in and i've got this thought lingering in the back of my mind that my sisters are going to grow up with absolutely terrible life skills, just like i did. fuck, it hurts to think they're gonna go through exactly what i went through growing up. i fucking hate lazy parents, don't be one of them OP. whip your motherfucking kid into shape.

IronMeltsinmyHands · 2016-01-15T07:10:47+00:00

Girls squealing with glee... Jeez... Never let your girl get out of hand.

I woulda taught that kid to slap her back. Even if she was my daughter.

Such a rotten attitude deserves such ill treatment.

hopelessoneitis · 2016-01-15T14:46:03+00:00

kids at that age dont have the necessary introspection to even think these actions. Some people called her DT.

How the fuck can she be DT and machiavellian at 11 years old? Get ahold of yourself. You are throwing words around rather easily.

It just displayed some small scale social dynamics and with her friends in present it became epic in her eyes. A chance to giggle at another's misfortune. But not to that deep a level as you guys make it be

Tamazin_ · 2016-01-15T15:19:44+00:00

What i would do: Tell my daughter that that behaviour is not acceptable and as a punishment she will not have a birthday party this year. Period.

Edit: Just read your edit. Glad you (and your wife!) thought the same thing.

Edit2: If you wanted to go one step further you could (although that would make her impopular with her friends parents) would be to not mention it to her friends, and when they arrive tell them one by one that there will not be a party due to your daughters behaviour. But i guess/think just not having a party and having your daughter telling that to her friend (and the reason why) is punishment enough.

rpmanwithaquestion · 2016-01-15T15:20:04+00:00

If I had seen you do nothing to prevent that I would have beaten your ass with a spatula

LaRedPill · 2016-01-15T16:04:01+00:00

I love this you should post it to MRP

Snivellious · 2016-01-15T17:09:42+00:00

I don't envy your task.

The hell with all the responses about how this is bad parenting. This is what kids do unless strongly prevented from doing it. You're not only tasked with raising a daughter who will be a good person, you're tasked with doing it in the face of every outside influence that can fight you.

The worst and weirdest thing is that you can't just discourage all behavior related to this. Definitely, punish and explain and fight this behavior, but I see otherwise-functional men combat this behavior by trying to raise a girl with boy morals. It doesn't work, and it leaves her ill-prepared to deal with her peers.

At a certain point she needs to learn to act like a girl, and that means some level of manipulation. So, you get the unenviable task of allowing that while keeping her from diving into the delusion and evil that it can so easily become.

Best of luck, and thanks for an informative story.

destinypallooker · 2016-01-15T17:20:11+00:00

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What is this?

re_Pete · 2016-01-15T17:37:44+00:00

When the kid comes to the party, maybe you could pull him aside and teach him a thing or two. He obviously needs help with how to deal with situations like this in the future. Maybe with your help, next time he's in a similar situation he can tell her to go fuck herself and leave with dignity. Gotta help build the frame before they can sustain it.

Fuck_shadow_bans · 2016-01-15T19:20:31+00:00

Sounds like you handled it pretty well. Ignoring bad behavior only lets it propagate. Any lesser punishment wouldn't have gotten the message across. Good for you.

Inyobch · 2016-01-15T21:43:25+00:00

Get your child checked, 10 years from now if she slapped another man and she gets slapped back shes gonna be surprised as fuck.

Eugenics2015 · 2016-01-16T19:25:55+00:00

TRP is not something for women, teach your SONS to respect themselves dont reach your daughter to respect betas.

I know that its hard to watch your own blood become the same thing you have grown to dislike but its female nature. The betas are non-entities. Valuing men like them would have put her at an evolutionary disadvantage

great_just_graet · 2016-01-17T02:10:41+00:00

This sub is fucking psychotic. It used to be a decent place to talk about romantic/sexual strategy and self improvement. What does this made up story about some faggots made up family provide? Nice insight OP. your made up 11 year old acted like a cunt. She's going to be a dictator! Machiavelli! You faggots need some bleach

siriusisness · 2016-01-15T05:52:52+00:00

I don't think you should be calling yourself "red pill" if you're allowing your own flesh and blood daughter to act like this mate

down_with_whomever · 2016-01-15T09:43:57+00:00

OP, in the post you say you punished her by canceling party, and in the comments you say "it will be dealt with." Did you not punish her? If you didn't, what are you planning to do about it later?

paydenbts · 2016-01-15T13:18:27+00:00

Sorry to say this guy, but she is so far along at that age that only an ass whoopin or public embarassment wil fix her, no amount of reasoning or conversation will even come close.

Our elders knew it best

TheEssexian · 2016-01-15T14:08:36+00:00

Thank you for being a parent that doesn't make excuses for your children.

Nobody can raise a perfect child, so don't blame yourself (or let others blame you) for this.

You spotted the problem, and have dealt with it as best you can.

She may never learn. When you get that kind of joy in being cruel at a young age.... it's hard to overcome it, but you are doing a fine job from the sounds of it.

Keep up the good work.

DoNotEatTheTail · 2016-01-15T06:18:59+00:00

As a teacher, I will tell you that fathers like you and girls like your daughter are what make people quit this profession. Take some command of your family, you pathetic man.

vengefully_yours · 2016-01-15T20:03:37+00:00

It gets worse. I wasn't allowed to be part of my kid's lives, the courts made damn sure about that. They grew up with their neglectful abusive bipolar whore of a mother as a role model.

The youngest of the two is 19, she chews up boys and spots them out, using them for anything she can get from them. She has the looks to pull it off, at 13 people were amazed she is my kid and I got tons of dirty looks from ugly girls when she was with me somewhere. Everyone assumed we were dating. Last year she told me she was around 60 on her N count, which is where I was at 25 when I met her mom.

She knows exactly how to manipulate boys into anything she wants, and she has fucked guys close to my age. Yeah I fuck sluts in her age group, so I know it happens. She admitted to a 36 yro when she was 17. Barely legal where she lives. This is what you get when the mother has control of things and the father isn't allowed to guide them, or he is a weak spineless wimp like her step dad.

Not much I can do about it now, I have zero leverage. The state prevented me from being there, and her mom tried very hard to keep me away. In Nebraska nobody cares about the father, he is only a wallet to plunder.

claptilley · 2016-01-15T15:25:29+00:00

Good work. Keep at it. I couldn't imagine being in that exact situation.

RP-on-AF1 · 2016-01-15T15:29:41+00:00

A lot of useless comments here. A lot of people here telling you what you should do, but I wonder how many are actually parents. I used to be quite judgmental of others' parenting, but now with a young daughter I realize how much of their personality is innate, and that you can guide a child, but not really control one.

In your case, you've seen a dynamic normally hidden from you: your daughter's behavior around her peers. I don't agree with the assessment that you are some kind of a failed father. This is behavior developing outside your vision. This happens at school, or when the kids are gathered outside adult supervision. The only way to take control would be to homeschool the child and strictly control her social interactions. This doesn't sound very realistic for a single father.

Now, people here think you need to take a hard line with her, cancel the party or whatever. That's fine, but what will the consequence be? Will the daughter be conditioned to behave more gently? Perhaps. Or she'll become resentful. She already has two motivators to behave crudely: (1) her awalt programming, and (2) the encouragement of her peers. A strict punishment will likely just add a 3rd motivator for her to be a little shit behind dad's back. Parenting is hard; there is never a right answer. You do the best you can.

Thanks for sharing OP.

GrumpyMcGrumperton · 2016-01-15T15:34:10+00:00

Good job, OP! I hope she got the point.

Sir_Distic · 2016-01-15T15:50:46+00:00

I think you handled it well considering the circumstances.

There's a lot of judgement in this thread. A few helpful comments.

RemyPrice · 2016-01-15T15:53:59+00:00

Thank you so much for sharing this.

I have an 8 year old girl, and I'm anticipating her AWALT kicking in soon.

Please keep sharing what you deal with; many other men here dealing with the same!

luisguapo · 2016-01-15T16:07:39+00:00

A bit late to this one, but dude just the fact that you called her out and went all the way with teaching her a lesson of what she did wrong in the midst of all the bullshit defence she pulled out - Just wow, good job. Having kids is tough, but doing it on your own (I'm assuming thats the situation here) and being so clear-headed and being able to get to a level where both of you could talk it out to a mutual understanding is fantastic. Her teens years are probably gonna be bumpy as fuck and she'll keep testing you, but so far so good man, I'm sure she'll turn out just fine.

DarkOmen597 · 2016-01-15T16:31:46+00:00

It sucks that this happened, but I think you and the wife handled it well.

Keep up updated post party, and I really hope that kid has a great time.

Makonar · 2016-01-15T16:54:30+00:00

Remember, kids are cruel in a group. If your daughter was alone with this boy - she would probably just give him the invitations. But friends have social pressure, and lack of well defined boundaries - especially in a diverse group - some are well behaved, some are not - on each own they act differently, but together - this happens.
Speak to your daughter about being responsible in a group and voicing objections against stupidity and rudeness, even if it ruins the "fun". Friends who won't recpecj her anymore - are not worth having as friends.

SirGuileSir · 2016-01-15T17:02:38+00:00

You've a long row to hoe, OP, but you appear to know what you need to do. Carry on.

nia_kills · 2016-01-15T17:02:42+00:00

Holy shit i would not have a single clue how solve this AND let her learn some life lessons to grow. Good job

kpak76 · 2016-01-15T19:35:31+00:00

I would have brought the switch out. I've wittnessed this type behaviour in as young as 6-7. Before my brother got divorced my niece would constantly lie to me about what she did. I called her out constantly on her lies but her mom who was a conniving cunt had too much of an influence on her.

throw_em_all · 2016-01-15T20:25:17+00:00

Damn that must've been hard to witness, it's good that you've taken action immediately, even if over the years society ends up shaping her into another CC rider, its also possible that this sort of teachings will shape the image of her "ideal man" in a positive way.

BOSpecial · 2016-01-15T22:37:22+00:00

You did the right thing. No way could you let this slide, no matter what her age. She needs to treat people with respect. And 11 is pretty old anyways.

chessercat2003 · 2016-01-15T22:37:31+00:00

/u/RedPill808, I commend you on doing what you did. Many guys on here are (rightfully so) empathizing with the boy, so they are upset with you (which is misplaced) and your daughter (which is, whatever).
I have 2 daughters myself, and they do much of this shit to my son, regardless of how much I interfere. When I pick them up from their mom's place, they are at his throat ("he's so slow. he's so dumb.") I spend the next 30 minutes putting them in their place, but I see the toll it has taken on him. Honestly, thank you for sharing this; I was thinking that I was the only one seeing what I see.

MeatCurtainRod · 2016-01-15T22:51:19+00:00

That kind of scenario isn't that all uncommon now a days. Sad to say, but it's the truth. The truth about institutionalized feminism.

favours_of_the_moon · 2016-01-15T23:15:41+00:00

Edit 2: For all you judgemental pricks out there blaming me for creating demon-spawn, you don't know the half. I'm the sane one working hard to get these kids right. He mother (my ex) is a dark triad drug addict who successfully hid her double life from me for years. She still has contact with them thanks to the magic of being mommy & the family court system. Go fuck yourselves, you have nothing productive to say.

Being a good father doesn't mean your kids never misbehave. It means that when you do, you call them out on it.

Dojolow · 2016-01-15T23:26:50+00:00

Get your Shit together with your daughter now, or This! is the future for your daughter you'll be looking forward to.

TheMGhandi · 2016-01-16T00:02:52+00:00

All the people suggesting you discipline your daughter, aren't in the right. Clearly, she's going to win in sexual strategy and if you impart healthy lifestyle choices, she will be a winner in the long-run.

Honestly, I'd be proud if I had a daughter with such power against men, as does yours. However, the key is finding a balance with set boundaries. This is so she doesn't end up abusing her future family, as well as herself, and thus destroy your progeny from her.

And let's be honest here, if you gave two shits about that boy, you'd be talking to him so he doesn't get the doormat treatment again.

Don't destroy your daughter's personality and high intelligence because you 'think' she will be a bad person. Merely guide her into using her abilities to avoid serious backlash.

bigcitytruth · 2016-01-16T07:18:17+00:00

If a girl said something like that in my family when I was a kid, she would've been smacked by her poppa.

twatbutter · 2016-01-16T13:38:21+00:00

She's still young-- steer her in the right direction

wakethfkupneo · 2016-01-17T16:40:27+00:00

I've watched my 10yo daughter shit test my wife. Much to my surprise and amusement the wife was failing hard, totally into daughter's frame, she was her bitch. The look on daughter's face (after wife eventually snapped and started screaming and cursing) was mix of triumph and self amusement with a touch of evil. It all came out of nowhere, there was no obvious reason for "frame battles". And I do consider my daughter well raised, with healthy values and good manners ... at least that's what other people (quite a few were older people) were often telling me. But this is the twilight zone of woman's true nature, this goes beyond any training, raising, habits and conventions.

EVO PSY RP theoreticians are right - it's deep programmed, something you're born with, not something society teaches you (AWALT). Shit testing, crab basket and various other effects are real, ingrained in their DNA and you can always count on them. If you let your guard down, you totally deserve what follows.

Shanghai_Bobby · 2016-01-19T03:24:43+00:00

Well, another way to view this is that life is giving that 11 year old boy what he needs - not what he wants. If he takes this shit, then he's equally as guilty as your daughter for dishing this shit...

NiggerBaboon · 2016-02-01T22:45:24+00:00

If I was you I would sell your daughter to a Saudi prince, pretend she is gone, and spend the money on drugs and alcohol.

I suppose in 9 years, 999 burkas, 999999 Arabian Nights and 99999999 beatings from now your daughter will be reformed.

osborn18 · 2016-01-15T12:38:47+00:00

As a father i can sympathize.

Kids absorb everything. Like my nephews spend ONE afternoon watching youtube letsplay videos and then started repeating everything they guy said.

Is not unusual that they get influenced by their friends also.

Shitonya_Johnson · 2016-01-15T18:17:06+00:00

Maybe you are part of the problem raising a daughter that fits RP stereotypes.

Her actions are a reflection of her upbringing.. Get off your ass..

Silvmademan · 2016-01-15T11:58:21+00:00

Regarding edit: you are a hero

Jax77789 · 2016-01-15T15:17:27+00:00

I think you are too soft. I would have the boy come over, make him slap your bitch daughter as hard as he can. It is also the only way to give him back his honor and God we know this fella needs it. Take all her toys and make a giant fire with it. Always give her less than what other people get. Give her the bare minimum. Then make her endure corporal punishment each time she wants or needs something. Needless to say, banishment and shaming should also be used extensively. Continue until you see real, constant change in her behavior. Hit hard and be merciless.

whats_the_deal22 · 2016-01-15T17:48:16+00:00

I think this type of behavior starts even younger than you think. I have some close family friends and they have a young daughter, I think she was around 7 or 8 at the time. Now this little girl LOVED me. Always excited to see me, would follow me around, etc. When I started to bring my girlfriend around, she would give her dirty looks and wouldn't speak to her. She also started giving attention to my brother in an attempt to make me jealous. Obviously a very different situation, but it shows how early the catty nature of women and come up.

IamGale · 2016-01-15T18:22:43+00:00

Upvoted for the second edit!

ertugyigit92 · 2016-01-15T19:32:43+00:00

Aaaand that's why i won't get married or have children. Plus AWALT , always.

flat6turbo · 2016-01-15T04:58:52+00:00

thank you for giving me yet another reason to never have children.

eddiae · 2016-01-15T03:04:42+00:00

i dont know man, in this weird feminist society maybe being a bully is a good thing, just be a strong father in her life there is no avoiding slutting it out and her using machiavellianism in the current culture.

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trpdgc · 2016-01-15T15:28:42+00:00

ITT, people that forgot what subreddit they're in. Sorry people miss your post OP. The SJWs are out in full force today.

forgotmythingymajig · 2016-01-15T23:41:06+00:00

AWALT.

hard next her.

hit the gym.

CZ-75 · 2016-01-15T11:20:03+00:00

And you couldn't stop your daughter from slapping the poor kid? The fuck is wrong with you.

rexted23 · 2016-01-15T02:01:06+00:00

How do you resist the urge to smack the cunt? If that was my daughter I'd beat her senseless and throw her on the street.

mydogfartzwithz · 2016-01-15T07:25:13+00:00

Adopted kids are just unlucky, most have so much psychological problems from just being adopted alone. The whole why didn't my parents love me enough to keep me, shit will tear someone apart

SaitoHawkeye · 2016-01-16T00:42:41+00:00

I thought negging was cool?

primival · 2016-01-18T06:11:22+00:00

She is a child. Childs do wiiiiiiierd stuff in there puperty. There is a age were its can be normal for kids too murder smaller animals. They are nust testing how far they can go and were they stand in the naturechain and what they can do and what they cant do. Teach her youre morals and ways of living.

fuckmypussy69 · Sat Jan 16 9:43:50 2016 UTC

Called daughter in, told her what I heard/saw, got predictable (juvenile hamster) response: denial, trickle truth, attempted blame shifting (it wasn't my idea, someone else told me to do it!), then apology.

You shouldn't be getting this kind of reaction out of your daughter, it's time to stop listening to the liberal media and spank your child. It's the only way to get through to them, the only thing they understand. And no, it wont mess her up mentally like all the scare tactics would like you to believe, I got spanked as a kid and I turned into the kind of person who wouldn't let a kid walk all over me.

exejpgwmv · 2016-01-16T15:45:15+00:00

Aren't most of the techniques used in this sub kinda manipulative? And she probably learned how to treat socially awkward and vulnerable boys(i.e. Betas), from you.

You should be happy, she's basically the female equivalent of what you guys would call an "Alpha".

makethemsayayy · 2016-01-15T08:49:47+00:00

Hey OP good job on the punishment,

but on the other hand, you did a good job or creating a demon-spawn you moron. :P

whenfoom · 2016-01-15T20:25:53+00:00

This is the behavior to encourage. Betas are meant to be dominated. A lot if girls I fuck have plenty of orbitors, and I always strongly encourage that. You should see the messages this one girl sends dudes literally right after we bang.

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Title	Observed my daughter using/abusing a Beta: She's 11
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Date	January 15, 2016 1:43 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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