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[–]Super-Peoplez-S0Lt 119 points120 points121 points 2 years ago (69 children) | Copy Link
Controversial take, don't date someone you don't find attractive no matter how unconventionally attractive you are. You aren't doing anyone any favors by doing that.
[–]ElfLadyMorgana 21 points22 points23 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
+1, sir.
Truth is, nobody want to be settled. Thats the reverse of what "healthy relationship" is.
[–]tux_pirata 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
everyone has this fantasy that they can live their lives partying, hoping from one bed to another, having random sex with beautiful people forever
thats indeed a fantasy, shit that only happens in movies, ads and in a very small, mostly rich, group of people, and even in the latter case its not forever since when they get old nobody wants to party with them, and its not like they can handle the lifestyle anymore either
[–]LillthOfBabylon 58 points59 points60 points 2 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
, don't date someone you don't find attractive no matter how unconventionally attractive you are.
But stop expecting people to make an exception for you. That's the point. Guys: Ew! You can't force me to fuck ugly chicks!
Also Guys: Why are women so shallow and refuse to fuck me?!
[–]Super-Peoplez-S0Lt 22 points23 points24 points 2 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
This wasn't gender-based. I agree that shallowness and resentment isn't healthy. With that being said, people have diverse tastes in attraction. It may take some people longer to find mutual attraction but it is possible.
[–]psd5 10 points11 points12 points 2 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
do you really think there're people who are physical and sexually attractive to the guy from post ? Are you for real ? curved back, short height, wrinckles across the whole face, assymetrical teeth, sort of bald. The argument " beauty is subjective" is quite delusional. In 30 years, never have seen anybody attracted to such masculine features ... and the few similar cases, the female is oriented to the male's mind and completely skipping those physical traits.
[–]ElfLadyMorgana 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Beauty is subjective to some extent. Lets say, every would think a 5'10" tall Victoria Secret model is a 10/10. Now, pick five 10/10 girls and give each of them only one different failo. One can have long midface, other can have small eyes with negative chantal tint, other can be short, big nose, male pattern baldness, recessed chin etc. Different guys would rate those women different. For ex, any guy who hate male pattern baldness would rate the girl with MPP lower than other girls despite every girl on our sample have one failo. Guy who hate small eyes would rate that girl lower than others etc.
Truth is, everybody have certain amount of failos and halos and what people perceive about these halos and failos may differ. Some guys hate MPP but doesnt mind big nose, others hate thin lips but doesnt mind recessed chin etc etc
We all agree what is failo and halo in some extend but we dont agree on which failo beats other.
[–]psd5 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
If you're a 10/10 person, say a Chris hemsworth with just recessed chin. So then, in your current situation doesn't change the fact you are just one little detail (in this case that HAS SOLUTION) below perfection in sex appeal to women.If you're any of those 10/10 people, doesn't change the fact you have a vast valley of people across the entire world which will turn you into their sex dream. Still, you haven't addressed what I told you about those undesired physical male traits that are NOT desired at all (or at least what I have seen across this entire life) from women. The fact men have many if not, quite a couple of these traits doesn't change the fact they're not what arouse women at all.
The typical handsome or model-like man who is set into advertising or popular movies with these " Chads " don't have ANY OF THE PHYSICAL TRAITS I have mentioned you above so the thing about " beauty is subjective " is naive to an extent for me. A person may like blondes, but another may like brunettes (even though they have symmetrical looking faces). A guy can like big breasts, another can like small ones but which are perky.
Be that as it may, this beauty concept isn't a thing that catch all type of bodies across the world but within a certain range of physical features only that are typically exposed on stereotypes by social media... I have seen short dudes who are popular, but because they have handsome faces or green/blue eyes... Nonetheless, doesn't change the fact those are the physical traits that actually catch the femenine attention and not the short guy's height. Does that make sense ?
Same as you mentioned a girl which may be 10/10 but short height. I have seen hourglass girls which are about 5'0 or 1.52m. They short but doesn't change the fact that have physical traits that are traditionally attractive to males which is the hourglass contour, but at most I can see indifference about the height flaw.
[–]ElfLadyMorgana 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
We may be agreed on who is 10/10, but we cant agree whos 8 or 5. As you said, perfect features but 5' girl would be 5/10 to guys who hate short girls, but would be 9/10 to those whose dont mind height. Chris Hemsworth but recessed chin would be still 10/10 to be because I dont give any flying fuck about chins but Chris Hemsworth with malocclusion will be 7/10 to me because I do care teeth.
This is individual, and subjective. I have researched it before and the science behind this is not as complicated as you think.
People are attrached to people who dont have the failos they themselves have, actually. Reason is mating strategy. That explains why manlets are more obsessef to have tall girlfriend, or someone with recessed chin is more obsesded with their partner should have chad chin. You want to compensate the genes you dont have with your partner. If you yourself have big nose and Chad chin, as a guy. You would subsconsciously know that your children will be same if you reproduce with a girl with same traits. You wont mind girls with recessed chin, as you know that your genes would be enough for your children to not become recessed, but you will seek out for girls with small nose because if you pair up with girls who have big, your children will have big too. In an ideal world where everybody is created on operation tables and photoshop, nobody have big nose, recessed chin, short height yadayada. But most people have some of those "unattractive" features. What makes it subjective is, which failo beats other.
I dont know whats the name of this theory, but Im sure I have read some articles about it.
[–]psd5 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Interesting analysis...
How would you defend the idea some people suggest in here and sometimes I read about the advice to mate similar looking sex appeal couples from opposite gender ? In this case, some people advice the OP meme guy to mate the "ugly" girl from left. So based on your analogy, how does " genes exchange" mating apply in this case ? Both traditionally "ugly" people are neither improving race genetics or exchanging for something better they don't " have ". So from a very personal opinion, I don't really know how does mating another "ugly" person actually improves this genetics exchange with the other person. Not to mention, neither of these people actually say that mating another "ugly" person doesn't fit at all your sexual fantasies but actually doesn't make your offspring improve their situation, they will inherit the same bad genes coming out either from father or mother. People are either just too coward or too naive to admit this situation.
[–]ElfLadyMorgana 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Ugly people dont mate with other ugly people with their choice, but they are forced. Aka, "settling."
Most people advice incels and femcels to settle on each other. Statistically, there are enough men for each women so if you are okay with being settled, then you shouldnt be a femcel, right? Truth is, most people dont want to be settled. Personally, I would rather to die as a virgin, rather than pairing up with someone who is not attrached to me but couldnt able to get his dreamwoman. People with pride often dont want to be last resort. This would kill a healthy relationship and make it toxic, cause self esteem issues aswell. All couples, should be at least attrached to each other. Thats how a healthy relationship works.
Most femcels and incels have the same mindset. They are ridiculated if they have high standards or dont want to be settled. So what they can do? LDAR or looksmaxx. Thats the whole point of looksmaxxing afterall.
[–]psd5 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Personally, I would rather to die as a virgin,
This is a legit actual better advice than any time in my life I saw people advicing to find out people from the same sexual league ... But again, you have just said " ugly people just settle ", so to an extent you agree with me that Beauty is not that simple as "subjective" but there're actual beauty parameters that are shared by most part of mankind population.
Following up your point, would you think MGTOW is a philosophy that actually help out or potentially could help a vast amount of men across the entire world ? Since mostly couldn't fit female sexual preferences, it would fit this way of living to be celibate and die virgin just as you hypothetically would.
In an objective way, you're not only harming your offspring future by reproducing with already bad genes on your own but also with another "ugly partner" that you're settling for ... You say "ugly people" don't have a choice but to settle ... The thing is that humans have done this behavior for an endless amount of millenia, still that's a good reason why we still do have bad genes that are not socially speaking considered as attractive, just like flat butts or micro penises, or even eagle nose.
I just wish people overall would ever be capable to admit they're simply not handsome and specially stop settling up for a relationship. To an extent, would help out to improve race genetics from any culture but also, would not inherit these damn fates to their next generations and none of us would have but a great quality of life.
[–]tux_pirata 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
reminds me of shallow hall when his friend wouldnt date a girl who was at least a 9/10 because one of her toes was too long
whats mpp tho?
But how a 9/10 girl looks like? Do you have a set of rules to reach 9/10? Does everybody agrees on a 9/10 girl looks like? Or a girl can be 6/10 to someone, but 9/10 to other? Its how things work for males. Some girls rate particular guy higher than others depends on her subjective tastes.
[–]tux_pirata 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
just watch the movie
an ugly girl might at the end settle for an ugly guy
or at least that used to be the case
[–]psd5 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
since a long time I have thought this is just a terrible advice and decision. Settling for a person you don't feel sexually attractive but specially is probably far away from your sex dream or at least have decent genetics to be close enough, is just a good reason why I think most part of mankind have just horrible genetics overall and why they're permanently perpetuated ...
well its that or dying alone, shit choices
[–]psd5 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
it's not about being pesimistic but definetely should be encouraged and educated to grow in other life areas, including the fact you may die single alone. Not only would improve race genetics overall but stop making you feel a fantasy that is not real and it's to feel beautiful when you're objectively not. Global people are not prepared to accept those facts but only being educated about it. Anybody in this world thinks to have entitled to have kids.
[–]globalholiday5090 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago (46 children) | Copy Link
but then nobody is going to date you either by that logic.
[–]Super-Peoplez-S0Lt 19 points20 points21 points 2 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link
Better to be single than to date someone you aren't attracted to. Trust and believe me.
[–]ElfLadyMorgana 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yes. %100. I hate those "looksmatch" and settling mindset just because of it.
[–]PM_something_German 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Relationships are more likely to begin and more likely to last if looks match
[–]ElfLadyMorgana 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
People shouldnt be forced to like other people.
Attraction is non-negoatiable. You are either attrached, or not attrached. Just because she is your looksmatch doesnt mean you guys should go out. If you dont like her looks, not attrached enough, then you shouldnt date with her.
[–]globalholiday5090 -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link
No I wont trust and believe you because I have also lived a life not just you. I prefer dating someone Im not attracted to over being completely alone
[–]Super-Peoplez-S0Lt 10 points11 points12 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I prefer dating someone Im not attracted to over being completely alone
That's where you and me differ.
[–]globalholiday5090 -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
well trust and believe me, youll regret ur stubbornness when theres no one by your side when you really need it.
[–]Super-Peoplez-S0Lt 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Platonic relationships are a thing so you don't really need a romantic partner to not be lonely.
[–]globalholiday5090 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
platonics arent there for u as much
[–]ElfLadyMorgana -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
Whats the point of being together with someone you are not attrached to? It makes you guys "friends" if there is no sexual tension, no attraction etc. Then why dont you fuck your bros? Whats the difference?
[–]globalholiday5090 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
i dont fuck my bros because im a straight female. what the actual fuck is with the internet and assuming everyone on it is male?!
[–]ElfLadyMorgana -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Sorry, my bad. So why are you not pair up with your best friend? Whats the point of relationship if there is no sexual attraction?
[–]globalholiday5090 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
because my best friend is paired up with someone she is sexually attracted to. see how that works? :D
[–]ElfLadyMorgana 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Yes, thats what normally people do. Not everybody have to have partner. There is a difference between friend and partner. You should be attrached to your partner, else he is your "friend"
[–]globalholiday5090 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
normal people settle for what is realistic so that they can have a romantic partner.
[–]IrrelevantCynic -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Why? What's the big problem with being alone?
[–]globalholiday5090 -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
youre nobodys #1.
[–]IrrelevantCynic 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So?
[–]Neptune-Jr 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
Yeah and that's just something they have to live with. What he says is right. The alternative is dating someone you don't like to not be alone which is a recipe for disaster.
[–]psd5 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have seen such advice from post a couple of times but nobody admits that then. You get a mediocre sexual attraction to the other person and definetely do not fullfil a one's taste and sexual fantasies, just aiming to get as much emotional connection as possible .. which is a rather conformist relationship which will make you unhappy by just not being alone... It's a thing definetely need to be addressesd and not make people get so sexual/relationship standards....
Aside from that, and support medical research to fix physical traits which are the most accurate solution for such sort of people who are quite a lot.
[–]globalholiday5090 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
its really not. 99% of us works jobs we dont like because its the best we can do and the alternative of no job is the larger disaster.
[–]Neptune-Jr 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
You need a job to survive. You don't need a partner to survive or even be happy.
[–]globalholiday5090 -5 points-4 points-3 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
yes u do
[–]IrrelevantCynic -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
No you really don't. You are just a person who's seemingly extremely uncomfortable being in your own company.
[–]globalholiday5090 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
nah. I was single for 5 years straight doing fine but then going on the 6th year i finally got exhausted of Never having a So on my side for anything and realized singleness is not worth it and im done being alone
[–]IrrelevantCynic 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Just because you need people to cling on to doesn't mean everyone does.
not everybody but i dont need everybody just 1 person. and there are Many who feel like i do :D
[–]skilled_cosmicistAll Chests Are Beautiful Pilled 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
treating relationships like jobs is probably not a very healthy outlook lol
[+]globalholiday5090 -6 points-5 points-4 points 2 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
u need them to survive.
[–]dirtykikguy2002 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Bro shut fuck up
[+]globalholiday5090 -6 points-5 points-4 points 2 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
im a woman :D
[–]dirtykikguy2002 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Well ...shut fuck up...woman 😆
[–]globalholiday5090 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
no :D
[–]monkeybeast55 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well it may be worth exploring what your attraction is based on. Conventional ideas of beauty? Sometimes getting to know someone changes how you might be attracted to them, more based on chemistry and emotional familiarity or whatever. Also, the value one gets out of pure physical attractiveness is up to an individual. Personally I would take just companionship and raw sex over being a lonely angry incel, but that's just me.
>no matter how unconventionally attractive you are
what you mean by that?
[–]Suck-Less 106 points107 points108 points 2 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
I’m pretty sure you can swap genders on this one easily.
[–]chilikettlechipsWryYyY 67 points68 points69 points 2 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
This is them telling on themselves. Women got 80/20 and 95/5 vs the perfect bell curve men give women. That's how they view 80% of men.
[–]AnActualPersonGirthy -4 points-3 points-2 points 2 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
You're really going to act like the sex less weirdos who post here wouldn't have this exact thing happen to them? Or are you just instinctively screeching about women when we're criticizing men now? Isn't that the solipsism everyone complains about?
[–]chilikettlechipsWryYyY 12 points13 points14 points 2 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Don't think you got my point at all. Wanna tell me what you're confused about first?
[–]NewYorkJewbag 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
What is 80/20 95/5?
[–]Ihatereddiit 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Women consider 80% of men "below average" looking. 95% of women's tinder likes go only to the top 5% most attractive men.
[–]NewYorkJewbag 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
As a man, I can see where they’re coming from. Attractiveness is not just looks.
[–]CentralAdmin 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If it was not just looks, there would be a greater spread. They would be all over a wider variety of men rather than the top 5%.
[–]NewYorkJewbag 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I suppose that’s true.
[–]Typo_of_the_Dad 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The title is in a nutshell, ie most men are quasimodo level in looks to the women who upvoted it.
[–]razormachineNuns are fair game 28 points29 points30 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
In female version she just turns and walks away.
In male version he fucks the ugly one.
[–]morbidnihilism 13 points14 points15 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
and then the ugly one thinks she can secure him to a relationship
[–]razormachineNuns are fair game 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ugly one just want to use him to meet her with his friend Chad =D
For fucks sake we really are just a bunch of apes.
[–]ThisBoringLife 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's not a single-gender exclusive thing, that's for sure.
[–]Alarechercheduneame -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I really do think women are far less concerned with looks than men are. Personally, I’ve dated guys who were handsome and felt nothing, the man I was most attracted to was average attractiveness and slightly shorter than me. His character was insanely attractive though.
[–]Jacke766565Purple Pill Man 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Purge week is garbage, if you want memes make a different subreddit
Edit: it's been here a thousand times, men rate women along the gauss curve, women see 80% of men as below average
[–]afflictuseternal[S] -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This sub is even more of a hellhole than usual as it's literally incels 2.0 but i do find the seething inkwells slightly amusing
[–]morbidnihilism 65 points66 points67 points 2 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
It's literally the same thing if you swap genders
[–]ConfusedghoulThrowra 32 points33 points34 points 2 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
But the thing is men find most women attractive, while women find most men unattractive.
[–]Individual-March8163 8 points9 points10 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
80/20 right?
[–]PaidByPutinBot123 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
nah women aren't, but imma still get laid and pump and dump
[–]Commercial-Engineer3 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Don't lump me into that category. I'm a dude and I think most women aren't attractive at all. Metal booger rings, lots of them smoke weed and, most are fat and loaded with tattoos to the degree that would make pinhead blush.
[–]jasonparasaurolophus 8 points9 points10 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I believed I was the only man left who thought women smoking copious amounts of weed was a turn off. 🤢
[–]Caring_CactusPurple Pill Man 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I think for both it's about how secure a person feels more than looks, it's just a lot of people assume outward appearances tell the whole store or else they couldn't look the way they were without it, but of course reality is different.
A lot of people are going to assume someone who's not as attractive (whatever marker that may be) may have some kind of issue or reason for acting/looking a certain way. But when you understand and put down those barriers, a lot of people are just typical individuals; for example our mind may inflate a lot of perceived values socially that don't actually exist sometimes for an attractive person, even for their shitty personality or low emotional intelligence, what we physically see has a strong influence, but that's only half the story if we blindly accept it.
Edit: grammar
[–]onewiththenoodles 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
An interesting observation from being bisexual - most women are attractive and most men are meh.
It has everything to with the beauty standards put on women, and the amount of time they put into their looks compared to men.
[–]ffandyy 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Rubbish
[–]ThisTimeForRealYo 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Yes, but the point is to show the hypocrisy some men tend to have towards dating.
[–]razormachineNuns are fair game 10 points11 points12 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
some men
I myself know a 2/10 guy which consistently falls in love exclusively with unicorns then feels butthurt because he was rejected for his looks.
Great at parties though =)
[–]AnonRb6 23 points24 points25 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
tbh I find it more in women, especially the fat land whale feminists.
[–]antariuszRed Pill Man 14 points15 points16 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Swipe left unless you're over 6ft!
[–]sleuthoftrades1Purple Pill Man 18 points19 points20 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The rub is that even if an ugly woman liked an ugly man, she'd still expect him to make more money, be taller, be responsible for seducing her, etc. That's why comparing attractiveness won't make sense. Women still expect to be treated like Esmeralda, even if they are a female Quasimodo.
[–]savetgebees 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This right here is why women would rather just stay single. So if they aren’t attractive and find an equally unattractive guy to date they are expected to be ok with being treated poorly? Only attractive women get to be treated respectfully?
[–]myopicdreams 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly what I was thinking! Why should attractiveness have anything to do with how people are treated by people in relationships?
[–]REEE_XD 55 points56 points57 points 2 years ago (52 children) | Copy Link
Memes like this lose to the OkCupid stats.
[–]LillthOfBabylon 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago (51 children) | Copy Link
Except OkCupid showed that the majority of men pursued the hottest women on the website while under-messaged the average looking women.
[–]DesperateTraffic3164 39 points40 points41 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
But they still messaged them. The women ignored the bottom 80% entirely.
[–]koolex 18 points19 points20 points 2 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
Well yeah but men always shot gun as many women as they can and see what sticks. The hottest women appeal to the most men so they get shot the most.
Even average women get 500 likes a day on Tinder in a big city.
[–]psd5 12 points13 points14 points 2 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
while an average man gets 0 ? is that even fair ?
[–]myopicdreams 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
There is no “fair” in this topic that is possible. You might think it is “unfair” for me to not respond to every guy who messages me on OLD or who hits on me in public but is it “fair” for me to be obligated to spend hours every day trying to respond to 200 shotgun messages or even to weed through them and try to find the ones who actually read my profile even if I am not going to be interested in them? Would it be “fair” for me to have to accept dates with people I have no interest in? How much time do you think I have in a week?
I don’t think it is “fair” of me to go on dates with people I am not interested in because I think it is unfair to lead people on. I HATE having to tell a guy who is clearly interested in me that I’m not feeling any chemistry— so I am VERY selective about who I date. This is why I don’t do OLD anymore. I’ve been on many dozens of dates, trying to be “fair” and give guys I’m not sure I could be interested in “a chance” but in my experience this isn’t great for either of us and the end result is that they want me but I am not interested— then I have to reject them and that feels shitty.
Would it be “fair” for me to have to be with a man I don’t want to be with?
[–]psd5 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Let me change the question then. As a girl, would you accept to reverse your role with the one from a regular guy who gets 0 attention from girls across most of his life even if he efforts to get it and still can't get the type of looking people he goes for because of how imbalanced the sexual market is ?
Between suffering hungryness and being sort of "harassed" by the opposite sex, I'd bet a ton of guys would choose the second. You may not acknowledge it as a girl since you may have not experienced it.
Many of these men may be virgins across their entire lives. So it's a tough question to ask to any girl, if they would accept to exchange this regular sex/dating request from many men to being 0 attention for anybody, even if as a girl you may be hungry for it. And that can be a validate reason from my perspective to be constantly projecting their experiences through this type of posts.
[–]myopicdreams 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Would I accept it? Well I would do what I could to improve my situation and past that I would have no choice but to accept my reality. This is life.
It is not “fair” that some people are born rich and some poor, some beautiful and some ugly, some to great love and others to abuse and neglect… life simply isn’t “fair” in thousands of ways and yet we can’t blame anyone for that— it is simply reality and so far no attempts to enforce “fairness” has actually accomplished being fair.
If I were unattractive I would do everything I could to have such a great personality and sense of humor that my looks would not be such a handicap (I hope I would, anyway) but the truth is that I have never been physically or personality-wise unattractive so I can’t really know what I would do if life had given me a different appearance and personality and my opinion is so biased by my experience in so many more ways than I understand that any guess is likely to be false— just like anyone’s guess of how they would feel about my realm would likewise be likely incorrect.
We can make guesses of how we would feel but we should always understand that our guessing is likely faulty and in no way represents the reality of how we would feel in actuality.
[–]imlikeasir 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
as a physically attractive dude it hurts me to see the way women treat me vs average men my age. women message me first all the time, i have about 800 matches and it makes me almost physically sick. I have other guy friends who are amazing dudes- smart, funny, caring. I work with a friend who’s a positively amazing guy. works his ass off, is nice and loved by everyone at work, is getting his degree at a good school and flies planes on top of that. But women find him unattractive.
they tell me nasty things about him when he makes a move in a completely normal way. And that physically makes me sick. Maybe they see his struggles with confidence and esteem and aren’t attracted. the same struggles i have. But he has all that and is a great dude and can’t get a girl. Women i know that are obese have as many matches as i do.
men are expected by women to be completely self sufficient. We are not allowed to be insecure in any way if we want a woman. Or lacking confidence in any way. or lacking height. or without a cute face. We must have good game, we must be good socially, we must be well adjusted in every single way. If you’re lacking in one or two of these you’ve gotta knock all the other ones out of the park or you’re toast.
And i’ve been able to prove it- when i’m going thru a phase where i feel like the shit- capable, slightly douchey the whole nine yards i get even more women. When i’m even a little doubtful or do something even slightly feminine- they give me significantly less attention. Even slightly.
Women will fundamentally never understand how cold this world is to the vast majority of men. Just like how i can’t understand what it’s like for women to deal with the constant rampant sexual perversion/threat of rape. I guess it just is what it is and i can’t blame them, but it’s turned me off from ever believing a woman could ever love me- for what i actually am, in my entirety. and i’m expected to love her like that. i have to pretend i don’t have needs that i really do have in order to look masculine. but that “masculinity” is fake, and it always is. I doubt women will ever understand that about the masculine traits they’re so attracted to.
i’m 22. i can pm you my tinder profile and a verified pic of me if you don’t believe me about my claim of being attractive
[–]myopicdreams 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I have no reason to doubt you.
The thing is… most men I know who are emotionally and psychologically healthy end up finding a partner whether they are 5’4 or 6’2 though maybe it can take some time (22 is pretty young).
Actually, a lot of this pill stuff is bad info that I find hard to understand. For instance, the advice to spend hours a day working out— that is terrible advice for any guy who wants a smart and nerdy female. Smart and nerdy ladies are generally smart enough to know they want a guy who is also smart and nerdy; if you spend 3 hours a day working out you likely don’t have time to work out your mind.
I wouldn’t have any interest in any guy who spends hours a day working out unless that is part of their job— even then I’d be dubious that they would be able to keep up with me mentally.
All of that is to say— market yourself to the type of female you want to find!!! You want a smart nerdy lady? Wear witty t-shirts, dress in academic but stylish clothes. I know one guy who complains that he only can get dates with superficial girls who only care about materialistic things— he spends hours every day at the gym and is really muscular because of that, he wears a lot of expensive brand name sporty clothes and drives sporty cars… I’ve tried to tell him his physical marketing (appearance) is off for finding women like me (he asked how to get notice of women like me). I’ll never look twice at a guy who looks like him because I don’t want a gym and appearance focused guy— if he wants any chance of getting my serious consideration he would need to focus less on looking like what you guys think is a chad and dress like an intellectual. He doesn’t believe me and keeps complaining, instead, because he gets the kind of girl he markets for.
[–]imlikeasir 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for that
[–]myopicdreams 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
A few years back I realized that most people experience public life differently than me. I had a conversation with one of my less attractive female friends and it was really eye opening— we were out together exploring a cute little town and she commented that it was “so different” when with me than when alone and “didn’t I sometimes wish I was less noticeable— that I could be invisible when out and about?” She said she found it somewhat uncomfortable to go out with me because she wasn’t used to getting attention from “everyone, everywhere” even though it was all positive..
This gave me pause because I hadn’t ever known this wasn’t the norm for most people. Since the pandemic I have a bit less attention since masks but even with a mask I can’t remember ever experiencing a day where I left my house and didn’t get positive attention from people wherever I go. I am a smiler and I have really striking eyes etc.. though I like to think it’s more so because I truly like people and am friendly and kind.
Whatever the reason, I now know I can’t even begin to understand what life is like for people who go through life “invisible” to most people and I have no idea if I would like it. I imagine it would be just normal to me as my current situation is but I don’t know.
And that is the thing, we can try to imagine what life is life for others but we simply cannot really understand anyone’s experience— often not even our own. So many things that are “normal” to each of us are not so for others and we don’t know what we don’t know.
You may think it would be “fair” for me to give every guy who wants me “a chance” because maybe their personalities will win me over but my experience tells me that this isn’t fair to either of us. First of all, every time I’ve given a guy “a chance” and dated them despite not being attracted to them I have been treated awfully due to their insecurities and fears. Even worse, though, if that chance doesn’t work out I have to hurt their feelings by rejecting them and I HATE having to hurt anyone. It is an unsolvable situation. And this is not about height— I am attracted first to intelligence and have dated men ranging from 5’4-6’8.
What I have found is that the only way an unattractive guy can be in a healthy relationship with me is if they have very high self esteem because otherwise they are plagued by jealousy, insecurity, and fears unrelated to my actions— simply because they believe they are not “in my league”. I don’t believe in leagues but that doesn’t matter. I have found that “Chads” treat me better, respect me more, and feel more able to believe in my affection than those who feel like they aren’t attractive.
[–]psd5 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
are you a girl or guy ? I can't truly relate to objective data but from my very personal experience and what MALE people comment either on this forum nor others about masculine issues, I can truly feel it's real when talking that MOST OF MALES are either invisible or sexually unattractive and pleasing to them.This issue is definetely not good enough addressed across the entire world and it will affect men from all social classes within the next years with all feminism spread out around all sort of cultures.
What I mean is, most of men have a hard time getting the sexual attention from females and this isn't a thing that could just be by one or a couple of reasons but girls either don't care or don't empathize or don't really understand how does feel it feel like because it's a thing they don't starve for. Even the less attractive looking girls like your friend got proper positive feedback about her persona and possibly her body, just because being surrounded by a handsome girl (I pressume you're a one).
My first question isn't a thing that some dudes reinforce about, "men are entitled for sex" but it's more about reflexing on how easy is for women to get sex and dates but how hard is for a man in reverse. I definetely need that men stop being coward about this issue and expose it to the world because it's really unfair. Men in the other hand, those who are considered as simps - white knights - beta provides are doing nothing but making this sexual market being way more imbalanced and socially speaking, allow to women on average to have way easier ways to satisfy themselves sexually speaking or by finding a partner.
In terms of fairness, femenine body is way too overrated and masculine body is way too underrated by girls. I just wish many more girls could know this and at least acknowledge it, because there're some things that men have to suffer that many feminists don't want to acknowledge or realize.
The invisible life is the regular norm nowadays by default from what I read and hear to most of men. And men can't simply do much about it be sexually appealing to women. And again, it seems to me that for a ton of girls don't simply care or don't have empathy for it because not all men are the monsters that feminism try to make look like, but it's a general issue that male gender tend to have, in my opinion of course.
Edit: about your last paragraphs. You just said you have dated guys who're insecure and have fears... well, you can get a little idea from what I just said above. For a guy is way harder to get a chance with any girl. Having dated guys from 5'4-6'8 just shows off how much offer you can get as a girl... Masculine height is the equivalent to girls breasts size.... or hips. I'm just talking about general tendences but girls tend to like taller guys. And guys, bigger breasts... So my analogy here is, you have had the chance as a girl to taste different type of heights, while a regular guy can't even have the chance to taste different size of breasts or hips. The "attractive" girls are usually the ones with big breasts or hips, who tend to just lead into "chad-like" or most genetically handsome men, which is again a thing that most men can't aim for.
[–]myopicdreams -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’m not sure if it is fair to characterize the situation as one of girls not having empathy for guys in particular as much as it is to say that most people have a hard time empathizing with people who are very different from them and those whom they are very close to. It doesn’t seem to me that most guys are any better at empathizing with most females either.
I think I have a particular advantage due to my training and experience as a therapist— mostly with male clients in Silicon Valley, so many in the group you seem to be referring to— which has given me the opportunity to truly come to understand a wide variety of people. What this has taught me is that we are typically very bad at understanding the perspectives of others, understanding how very different reality is for each of us, understanding other’s emotional experiences, and most of us are nearly as limited in understanding ourselves and the fact that many of our thoughts are not true.
I really can’t speak for others. Yes I am female. Yes I am attractive. I don’t actually know how attractive I am because I think it is impossible to objectively gauge that about oneself. I can only guess that I am so based on other’s reactions to me.
I don’t think most males are unattractive. Actually, I think most human beings are attractive in general. I also understand this may not be a typical view. I also don’t think my ease of finding partners is typical for the average woman— based on conversation with other women. I have never experienced feeling like someone was “out of my league”, that I was limited or disadvantaged in the dating market, or that I have any need to worry about being cheated on— whether this is delusional or accurate— but many women I know have felt these things.
IMO we are all human and unfortunately we will all experience various forms of injustice and suffering in our lives— no matter how fortunate we are. Maybe you think I’m super lucky but maybe I would think you are super lucky because your parents loved and protected you while mine did not. We each have battles to fight and crosses to bear.
[–]koolex 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
That's supply and demand, it's not women's fault that they are in high demand and low supply
[–]psd5 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
is a man's fault to be short, not being blue eyes and handsome faces with big dicks ? High demand is accurate, but low supply isn't lol.
[–]koolex 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women are out numbered 4 : 1 most of the time on OLD and they are 10x pickier than men. Women also just have an easier time dating and don't need OLD as much as men do to find sex or relationships, and when they do use OLD they don't need to stay online long.
It's a lot of different behaviors making the supply low but it's not some conspiracy.
[–]CursedLemonA Bigger, Bluer Dick -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
They're not in low supply lol That's the entire point of the meme.
[–]koolex 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think the meme is accurate both ways. Everyone has standards and laments when there are usually people who would date them that they aren't interested.
Any google search will show you women are outnumbered on OLD, like 4 to 1, so yes there are supply and demand issues for OLD even if women behaved like men.
https://thebolditalic.com/the-two-worlds-of-tinder-f1c34e800db4
[–]CursedLemonA Bigger, Bluer Dick 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The online dating discrepancy is an emergent property of idiot male-female dating dynamics that are harmful to both sides.
[–]onewiththenoodles -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I'm sorry, but (1) who told you life was fair, and (2) walk a mile in a woman's shoes and you'll learn what unfair really means
please be more explicit. I can't have or experience menstruation pain or giving birth or fear to be raped at night but I can have empathy for some femenine issues. Why can't it be the same from girls to guy issues ?
[–]onewiththenoodles 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
because not getting sex isn't a guy issue... in fact, dealing with the sexual outrage of men who feel entitled to sex is exclusively a female issue.
There are many unfair things about being a guy that females can empathize with. You lose them when you start acting entitled to their attention or sex.
i do not encourage any dude who feels entitled for sex just because being born with a penis. However I tend to agree with what that sort of communities claim that sex is a much harder issue for men. Prostitution and sex market are a good proof out of it and that has existed since many millenia already. Thing is I tend to think women dont care or don't empathize or simply don't realize is a mental issue many more dudes suffer rather than women.
[–]myopicdreams 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This so much!!! Too many guys today don’t understand that just because you want something doesn’t mean you are entitled to have it! I REALLY want a private island in the Caribbean…
[–]mgtow_fire 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
lol no on the contrary
[–]LillthOfBabylon 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Proof you guys didn't actually look at the study. You just cherry picked what you liked about it.
[–]mgtow_fire 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
show me where in the study you’re right
[–]Individual-March8163 11 points12 points13 points 2 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link
And also showed men have a much healthier guage of attractiveness compared to women. Works both ways.
[–]LillthOfBabylon -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link
And also showed men have a much healthier guage of attractiveness
And yet unhealthily pursue women in the 7s and up category , so it doesn't matter. Watch what they do, not what they say, remember? Isn't that what this subreddit say about women? Why doesn't that apply to men.
You can claim a "healthy gauge all you want" but in the end, the fact you're chasing 7s and up is all that matters.
[–]Individual-March8163 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link
The data shows women also pursue men higher than them... except they consider 80% of men unattractive, suggesting they pursue the top 20% if what they pursue they consider attractive.
So it's hardly a shock, everyone dates up, just that women have a much higher standard for what they consider "up".
[–]LillthOfBabylon 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
The data shows women also pursue men higher than them
Except the bottom 80% of men got 60% of female messages. Meanwhile the majority of male messages went to the 7s and up. OkCupid even commented on that men typically pursued the hottest almost-unattainable women .
What happened to "Watch what they do, not what they say"?
[–]logicAndFury 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Wait are you saying the study said woman were messaging men first or is it replies?
Cause if a woman is getting lots of messages, and most are from bottom 80%, it makes sense that most replies would be to the same group.
I find it hard to believe that women who initiate the convo are reaching out to bottom 80% more than top 20%.
[–]LillthOfBabylon 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Wait are you saying the study said woman were messaging men first
I believe so, yes. You can go find the Okcupid study yourself.
Because looks aren't the end-all-be-all, most men don't know how to groom themselves so the bar is low, women might agree certain traits are attractive but can't agree on which individuals are attractive, and being super hot doesn't mean good partner.
[–]logicAndFury 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Okay let me look it up:
https://techcrunch.com/2009/11/18/okcupid-inbox-attractive/
And the article says:
the average-looking woman has convinced herself that the vast majority of males aren’t good enough for her, but she then goes right out and messages them anyway.
So your technically right that women tend to message the bottom 80% more, but you conveniently left out that whilst doing so, she still believes they are not good enough for her. Given that, I don’t think women messaging men on dating apps is a good gage on how willing she would be to date them.
My guess is that women on dating sites enjoy flirting more, so they are willing to talk for the sake of talking. And guess what, if you think they are “below your league” they probably would try to entertain you through conversation the most. I can see why some girls would do that, hell I think I’ve been in that scenario as the guy. A lot of them said they made an account for “shits and giggles” when chatting and clearly didn’t have interest in meeting up.
[–]LillthOfBabylon 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Why didn't you post this quote?
"As you can see from the gray line, women rate an incredible 80% of guys as worse-looking than medium. Very harsh. On the other hand, when it comes to actual messaging, women shift their expectations only just slightly ahead of the curve, which is a healthier pattern than guys’ pursuing the all-but-unattainable."
End thread.
[–]myopicdreams 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Exactly how do they presume to be able to read minds here? If she messages a guy there is no reason to assume she thinks he isn’t good enough— are they sending surveys asking if she thinks this? When I was on OKC I never got any 🤪
[–]Illustrious_Wish_383 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
How do you think one of those bottom 80% of guys would feel if they knew, going in, the woman who messaged him thought he was unattractive? Why would any sane man with any kind of self respect want to date a woman who viewed him that way?
[–]LillthOfBabylon -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
So you guys are just proving the point of the post: Men are picky beggars.
Not only are you guys demanding hot girls fuck you, but you demand women see you as sex gods? GTFOH.
Why would any sane man with any kind of self respect want to date a woman who viewed him that way?
Then stay single, oh well. You want pussy or flattery? If you're ugly, you're ugly, especially if it's due to his own actions like terrible hygiene and fashion.
[–]Illustrious_Wish_383 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
How would a woman like it if her husband said to her: "You know babe, when we first met, I thought you were kinda ugly but after my fifth drink you looked somewhat decent so I decided to approach you...I mean sure I've been with way hotter women and fantasize about them while we're having sex, but you're a good wife and it beats being alone...."
[–]LillthOfBabylon 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]Individual-March8163 -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
It also said women do the same.., albeit to a lesser extent, but at least men can be more objective in thier attractiveness rating.
And what this shows is that men pursue people they are attracted to more than women.
[–]LillthOfBabylon 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
, but at least men can be more objective in thier attractiveness rating.
Irrelevant. You guys chase 7s and up the most. It doesn't matter that you see most women as average looking, you disproportionately don't pursue average and below women. Hence, you're proving the post right.
[–]logicAndFury 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, you said it well, we “chase” 7s and up because they are worth chasing. 7/10 guy would chase 7+, but it’s still willing to date a 5/10.
The point is, men put more effort for higher value women, to make up for the difference. Most men are willing to be with people at their level but they would expect them to put the same effort.
[–]Individual-March8163 -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I mean we don't see most women as unattractive unlike women do so this scenario isn't that likely, and not swiping right is not the same as saying ew lol.
[–]LORD-THUNDERCUNT 18 points19 points20 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Meme makes no sense since men never got cold approached and majority of men don’t get matches in OLD. I noticed a lot of women project like crazy on this sub.
[–]wtknightGen X Slacker 12 points13 points14 points 2 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Both sexes either learn to settle or learn to live without the company of the opposite sex. Unfortunately for men, women tend to deal with this fact better since they often develop closer friendships with same-sex friends.
[–]Physical-Pie748 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
and they have a lower segs drive on average which makes this even more easy for them. or they can find a fwb on tinder in 1 day. so problem solved.
[–]Commercial-Engineer3 -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Nope men have more solid friendships. Women have frenemies and they are constantly undermining and sabatoging each other.
[–]wtknightGen X Slacker 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why are there so many men who complain compared to women, then? Those friendships don't seem to make single men content like how same-sex friendships make single women content.
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[–]wtknightGen X Slacker 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
All a man has to do is masturbate and his sex drive is gone for a while. Yet men still don't seem to be able to handle being single as well as women do.
[–]_HEDONISM_BOTThe Red Pill is a Delusion 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is an excellent point
[–][deleted] 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah, I agree. Most men can't do volcel.
[–]psd5 -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
this is certainly not accurate to an extent. You have so many cosmetic and surgeries nowadays that I have seen girls can turn out from a 4 to be an 8.
Any girl can turn blonde, can use make up, can get boob jobs, can get butt jobs, fat transfers, enhance legs and butt through GYM ... be that as it may, the girl have many more choice than men to increase sex appeal. If we were in 1950 still, women would have a similar situation than a man ... except a girl always have been more sexually appealing to men (males), even if they don't have that attractive genetics.
[–]wtknightGen X Slacker 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Men can enhance themselves too, I think.
[–]psd5 -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
you can wear certain clothes, get a six pack and not being fat. Pretty much that's it. Even though you can't wear clothes in bedroom but women can wear clothes too and that attracts many more men than it is the opposite.
[–]wtknightGen X Slacker 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Can't men get facial surgery too? Can't they get hair transplants? Or calf implants? I'm pretty sure that they can even enhance their penises.
[–]MR_Shigitoshi 29 points30 points31 points 2 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
Imagine a room with 100 age appropriate people of the opposite gender.
A man will say "I am easily attracted to 81 of these women"
A woman will say, "I am only attracted to that handful of super hot guys in the corner, everyone else will have to make up for it in some other way"
[–]tickledpic 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Even without having interected with one. Based purely on looks.
Based purely on looks. But after interacting with each and every one of the hundred she will find some more that peak her interest. And they won't necessarily be at higher level of looks hierarchy. After interaction, avarage looks wise can be sufficient.
[–]vanillapopsicle 11 points12 points13 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
She won’t interact with the 100. That’s the entire point. She’ll interact with the 10 she finds attractive. There is no second stage. Many never make it past the waiting room.
[–]tickledpic 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
You go up to her and introduce yourself. Done. She has interacted with you.
[–]vanillapopsicle 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I’m describing what will generally happen. I’m not concerned with myself. These are general societal patterns.
[–]tickledpic 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
A man initiating the interaction is what generally happens
[–]vanillapopsicle -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Then he’s rebuffed quickly. Next.
[–]SnooMachines1406 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
tickle that is actually a great summation of both genders attractions
[–]_HEDONISM_BOTThe Red Pill is a Delusion 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So when a man is attracted to women purely based on looks alone, nobody bats an eye.
When a woman is attracted to men purely based on looks alone, ITS THE END OF THE FUCKING UNIVERSE! A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!
OHHH THE CRUELTY! THE SHALLOWNESSES!!!!
[–]LillthOfBabylon -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Nice try, but the statistic you're quote also showed that men mainly pursue the hottest women on the website and under messaged the average looking women. Meanwhile, most of the women messaged the ugly dudes.
[–]adventureandstop 10 points11 points12 points 2 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Deceptive, because women rarely message message guys first at all - even if they find them very attractive. My bet is that of the much smaller sample size of women messaging guys first - a significant part were because of snapchat/onlyfans/cashapp/other financial/social media/professional reasons = less likely to be concentrated only on hot people. So that doesn't mean women are actually expressing interest in ugly dudes!
[–]Individual-March8163 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
https://techcrunch.com/2009/11/18/okcupid-inbox-attractive/?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cucmVkZGl0LmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADL9ODDEs6Jef_lo1HkWZRoQzR9ZDvbLZKeDvPXMG5qstYrMCJY8RmDNtRPLEtvuh_8XL3Z7VRrrFrvF3X-jX4_n0wCio7RcWhyWCiIdnXlKPN9Q2tNOey0KG7r1WqTJ8akggFdHkC2u0yN34YrVn3IFKkQ9i5vzgZbUuDYl6mNn&guccounter=2
Lmao they were ugly according to the women, they thought 80% were ugly.
“As you can see from the gray line, women rate an incredible 80% of guys as worse-looking than medium. Very harsh. On the other hand, when it comes to actual messaging, women shift their expectations only just slightly ahead of the curve, which is a healthier pattern than guys’ pursuing the all-but-unattainable. But with the basic ratings so out-of-whack, the two curves together suggest some strange possibilities for the female thought process, the most salient of which is that the average-looking woman has convinced herself that the vast majority of males aren’t good enough for her, but she then goes right out and messages them anyway.” "
[–]zyramain69 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Didn't other sites already retract this because women message a statically insignifcally amount of men
[–]LillthOfBabylon 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for proving my point. "when it comes to actual messaging, women shift their expectations only just slightly ahead of the curve, which is a healthier pattern than guys’ pursuing the all-but-unattainable."
What happened to "Watch what they do, not what they say"? You're actually showing proof that the picture above is right. Men, while lamenting about being ugly, pursue extremely hot women while commonly ignoring average and ugly women.
[–]Individual-March8163 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
"the average-looking woman has convinced herself that the vast majority of males aren’t good enough for her, but she then goes right out and messages them anyway.” I'm pretty sure this is way more unhealthy lol, isn't this how incels think?
[–]LillthOfBabylon -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
the average-looking woman has convinced herself that the vast majority of males
That's an opinion. Don't care. The facts and data shows what men are doing., This is the kind of pseudo-intellectualism I hate from dumb men. You pretend you care about facts, but here you are stating a fucking opinion.
[–]Individual-March8163 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
It's an interpretation based on the facts lol. And your misandry is showing. I think the researcher knows what he's talking about and it's a fair conclusion.
[–]LillthOfBabylon -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It's an interpretation
An opinion. Don't care.
And your misandry is showing.
Ouch, you think all men are dumb? That's awful.
[–]Individual-March8163 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You literally have an opinion too 😱 Nope YOU think that men are dumb, the fact you had to gender stupidity that made it clear.
And how is it not true? 80% is most men.
Actually they didn’t say men are dumb— if you read carefully. They said this is behavior they dislike that comes from dumb men. If you need more explanation— there are men who are dumb and men who are not dumb. Dumb men often display a behavior this person does not like. This does not mean they believe all men are dumb. This is very basic logic kiddo.
[–]Vicky-3 20 points21 points22 points 2 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Dudes will also date a wider variety of women than a woman will variety of men.
[–]wtknightGen X Slacker 10 points11 points12 points 2 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
You really think that they'll date a wider variety of women? I know that they'll have sex with a wider variety, but that's something different. There are a lot of femcels that can't get a man to commit out there.
[–]Azureik 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Dating is not equal to committing
[–]wtknightGen X Slacker 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It is somewhat. Dating involves an investment of time and usually some money, even if that commitment doesn't end up being permanent.
[–]Azureik 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, I agree with you on that.
But I also think that there may be some kind of proportion related to dating or committing.
Maybe the guys most prone to commit are the ones which girls are not willing to date, but they won’t know that because they won’t date those guys.
Maybe the guys who get a lot of dates don’t want to commit, since they can get to know many different women that way, but these are ones whom many women like to settle with?
I don’t know, it’s just a vague theory that I just made up.
pictures ? we can judge out then clearly.
[–]Ciao7991 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
You really think that they'll date a wider variety of women? I know that they'll have sex with a wider variety, but that's something different.
Yes they would. Most men don't strict physical requirements, but I would argue that women do. The argument that men would only fuck them is incorrect. While men have higher requirements for relationships than sex, the difference is not big at all. I've seen women I met irl having incredibly high requirements when dating (e.g. must be over 6'2'', High salary etc...) but never did so with guys. The main thing I've seen guys struggling is with getting dates and women interested, with women the problem seems to be that they voluntarily diminish their dating pool.
[–]myopicdreams 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
In my experience, when I’ve dated guys who think I’m out of their league they treat me very badly. This makes it not worth it to give less attractive men a chance because EVERY time I’ve done so it has resulted in me being treated like crap.
[–]Ciao7991 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
This makes it not worth it to give less attractive men
Why would you go for a guy who is not attractive to you? Go for guys you like.
[–]myopicdreams 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I have, IRL interactions, sometimes found that attraction can grow when a person is great in other ways. So I often would consider a date with a guy I wasn’t attracted to who had, for instance, a strong intellect. This is harder to figure out in OLD.
[–]Ciao7991 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I have, IRL interactions, sometimes found that attraction can grow when a person is great in other ways.
Yeah OK, but honestly if when you saw them you didn't find the physically attractive then you shouldn't be dating them. As a woman, you have a plenty of choice too so not sure why would you settle.
[–]myopicdreams 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I wouldn’t settle for anyone… I think it is not fair to either party. I just believe that sometimes attraction can grow and I know myself well enough to know that a person’s physical attributes are less important to me than their character.
[–]Ciao7991 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I don't know, I would never want to be with a girl who thinks I'm not physically attractive to her.
I can understand that. AND, what I am saying is that physical attraction can grow— just as getting to know someone can make them less physically attractive— attraction to other (at least for me) is only a little bit about physical appearance
[–]TravelerSF 23 points24 points25 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Eh. For men, the scale of attraction goes way further than with women. You have men attracted to tall women, short women, fat women, skinny women, muscular women, young women, old women, etc.
For women, there seems to be about 2-3 accepted body types and that's it.
[–]psd5 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
never in my life I have seen a single girl who is attracted to a Homer Simpson belly guy, which is pretty common in american continent due to obesity pandemic that is not good enough talked about through the media. Neither bald or micro/small penis men.
Your last sentence is definetely accurate. Even though, those features from above can be quite common, the typical conclusion I tend to get from women I have heard/read is the fact "women care about personality or the guy's mind" .. Doesn't skip the fact those physical traits are NOT attractive to girls and they don't get them aroused ... Even if a girl has overweight on belly, back or face ... they still get sexual attention from a certain male population but specially, as long as they have fat on breasts, butt or legs ... Doesn't happen at all the same for men. From my experience society looking, of course.
[–]tildaniel 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
real shit- i’ve never seen something like this gender-flipped:
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CYH0xyfMxfu/?utm_medium=copy_link
but you know for a fact there are 10 other guys out there who would line up to get a lick of Norbit here
[–]AnActualPersonGirthy -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I thought the infamous okcupid blog post said statistically it was the opposite in regards to attraction.
[–]NotGoingoutofMW 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It said that men value looks more but at the same time it's way easier to meet this look thresehold.
[–]throwinoutex-Red Pill, now Purple Man 33 points34 points35 points 2 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Oh please, ugly women have a muuuuuuch easier time getting men than vice versa. Ugly women brag about how they could get a man in a second, meanwhile being below average as a man makes it highly likely you'll struggle.
[–]Consistent_Wear_1224 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Ugly women cope by bragging and showing a brave face to the world. Women aren't supposed to be miserable. It's a shame for a woman to be rejected.
And lately, it has been more acceptable for men to talk openly about not getting women which makes it easier for the individual man to talk about it.
[–]throwinoutex-Red Pill, now Purple Man 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
But it is also true though. Ugly women have a much easier time attracting a mate than their male counterparts. Women also get more sympathy for being sad than men do, so I have to disagree with that point.
[–]Consistent_Wear_1224 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Nope, other women find that woman to be a loser and someone to pity/laugh at. They'll tell her you deserve the world queen, but really they are just happy to be superior to her. Most women are unfortunately double faced.
It has to do with men having a sex drive that makes them desperate. But they never view the ugly woman as gf material and use her as a place holder until something better comes along.
Everybody knows that a woman shouldn't be rejected so it makes it even worse for the individual woman to feel rejection, hence she does everything to convince everyone of her desirability and wont ever admit to men not wanting her. It's just strategy.
Nowadays it's accepted that at least 30 percent of men under 30 are incels( the real number is higher), so it's super normal and the guys have each other's company. But for a woman it isn't normal nor anything we talk about. It's lonely and shameful
Accepted by whom? Show me evidence.
[–]mannfan9292 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
All women are capable of getting sex. Women seek commitment. Ugly women struggle to get commitment.
[–]LillthOfBabylon 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Oh please, ugly women have a muuuuuuch easier time getting men than vice versa.
Who cares? The point is you guys are hypocrites.
[–]throwinoutex-Red Pill, now Purple Man 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
People do. Hardly, men are no more hypocrites than women.
[–]Individual-March8163 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How is this hypocritical?
[–]Sure-Vermicelli4369 15 points16 points17 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Men are more likely to date looksmatch. Women are more likely to have an inflated sense of ego and attractiveness due to attention on social media and online dating.
[–]AnActualPersonGirthy 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not the men here, that's for sure.
[–]AtomicMGTOW 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
This isn't true at all. All you have to do is go look at the OKCupid stats about how women rate men and vice versa. No one is going to fuck a one or a two, but plenty of men will fuck a three.
Women will not fuck a three. Even a woman that's a three won't fuck a four.
I know why this comic strip would be appealing to women, especially the purple pill or FDS types.
Those women, like most modern women, all think they're at least a seven on a bad day. And to them, most men are ostensibly five or below.
In real life the man in this comic strip is just your average dude but the depiction is how they perceive him. Most of the time this man would be invisible to them but if he makes an approach or even if they see him approaching someone else they think ewwwwww... Gross creep! OR WORSE.
Women have never really been good with numbers. Most of their rationality, if you can call it that, is based in emotion. Therefore they tend to engage in something called splitting... In psychology this is a black and white thinker. It's either on or it's off, it's either true or it's false, it's either one or a zero.
If they're not attracted to that guy he's a zero, if they're attracted to that guy he's a 10 (at least in their minds).
This, of course, makes sense in an evolutionary sense. Women typically are choosier. And they were choosier before the pill and other modern technological advancements that make working for money a lot easier (think office work). Of course they still wanted an attractive man but they had to be a little bit more practical in their choices. There were fewer men to choose from. The better looking men got the better looking women - women had to be more realistic about finding a looksmatch. And, most importantly, they needed to find at least a working man that would be willing to invest in her, the family and children... in other words, playing around and fucking bad boys was a hell of a lot riskier than it is now with the welfare state taking care of women that made VERY poor choices.
Now, it is possible for women too make their own way in this world, and failing that they still have an easier time accessing government programs like disability and welfare and if they happen to get pregnant and throw the guy away they'll still have access to either child support or a welfare program like mother's allowance. It's not good money but it's enough for them to keep their standards relatively high because they don't need to depend on the man for anything. And because of all of that the only thing women seem to be looking for nowadays is attractiveness.
I see plenty of women on some sort of government assistance that still seem to go for these pretty boy fuckboy losers with no potential, no social economic status, no education, no job... Criminal record, petty thug/their, drug addict, hobo-sexuals. They still choose them because they're attractive and then when the relationship inevitably comes to an end they have children by these guys and the government takes care of them for the next 20 years.
Having a child out of wedlock with a loser used to put women in a very bad socioeconomic situation. But not anymore. So without the consequences they don't perceive anything to be wrong with it. They still get to act like there's some sort of a hero for being a mother. As if they're helping human kind one child at a time. And of course they get to virtue signal that they're doing it all on their own so therefore they must be strong and independent... Yeah strong and independent living in subsidized housing receiving welfare and mother's allowance... Sure../s. -rolls eyes-
All you have to do is go look at the OKCupid stats
That showed that most of the men were messaging the 7s and up and under-messaged the average and below average looking women. Hence, proving the point of the post. You guys like ignoring that part because it makes you look bad. What happened "Watch what they do, not what they say"?
[–]AtomicMGTOW 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No.
This is the graph. https://i.imgur.com/9JErDFT.jpg
For the men, a nice bell curve, as you would expect.
For women: ewwww, most men are gross and no one is hotter than me.
[–]ahandtoyourdarknessx 35 points36 points37 points 2 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
This must be how women see average looking guys
[–]LillthOfBabylon 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
If we're going by the Okcupid study men here love to quote, then it's true. Men complain about being rated ugly but will mainly chase hot women.
[–]ahandtoyourdarknessx 14 points15 points16 points 2 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
Didn’t that show that men have a more reasonable distribution of women they find attractive where as women only find a very narrow group of men attractive? That would prove what I’m saying and that women’s concept of what is attractive is skewed heavily
[–]vanillapopsicle 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, she’s misrepresenting the study entirely.
[–]Consistent_Wear_1224 8 points9 points10 points 2 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link
Men want the top hottest only but don't mind sleeping with the less hot chicks. And will flatter them just to get in their pants. Men have sex drive which makes them have "more reasonable distribution" of attractive women.
This doesn't mean they wont trade up for the hottest girl if they get a chance, though.
[–]antariuszRed Pill Man 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
You don't have to "trade up" when you're dating women. If you're a hot guy you can literally have both.
[–]Consistent_Wear_1224 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Why would anyone continue to date the ugly woman? Lol the ugly woman gets dumped
[–]ahandtoyourdarknessx -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Because the guy gets double the action. Whenever I cheated on my wife it was always with women far less attractive than she was
[–]Consistent_Wear_1224 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
That's cheating, not dating both women. Having side-chick is not the same.
But you'd never marry the ugly woman or have her as the main chick.
[–]antariuszRed Pill Man 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Why even stop at 2, why have a main chick at all, just keep a bunch of plates at once.
[–]Consistent_Wear_1224 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Sounds like some sort of inc3l dream about the Chad life that doesn't happen in reality where the ugly placeholder gets dumped.
Men with options have standards and ugly chicks are a waste of time when you can get hot girls
[–]antariuszRed Pill Man -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Eh, variety is nice too, Also it's not a good idea to put all your eggs in one basket, if you keep many plates spinning at the same time, it's not a big deal if one crashes, because the others are still being spun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_wqjY_okek
[–]LillthOfBabylon 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Didn’t that show that men have a more reasonable distribution of women
Mostly messaging the the hottest women while disproportionately ignoring average and below average women. You guys really love to leave out that little part. So the post is kind of accurate. While men are lamenting that the hot girls don't want them, they don't want the average or ugly girls.
[–]caption291 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Wanting hot girls more than ugly girls is not the same as not wanting ugly girls at all.
No one sane has a problem with women wanting hot guys more than ugly guys. It's the distribution that's an issue.
No one sane has a problem with women wanting hot guys more than ugly guys.
Newsflash, the manosphere isn't filled with sane men. That's why people hate them. They're insanely misogynist and use pseudo-science to justify why they hate women.
[–]caption291 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh ok, I didn't realize they weren't sane and hated women. Good point.
[–]Consistent_Wear_1224 11 points12 points13 points 2 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Why can't everyone just accept that both genders do this?
No one wants the average people and everybody hates the ugly people.
No needs for a discussion about who does it more.
[–]HannibalsProtegeSide Affects Include: 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Correction, there is a great need. It's called accountability, and it should be addressed in its current form before it has the chance to shift like Frieza going into his final transformation.
This trend has gotten progressively worse with the advent of dating apps, and social media but now it can be clearly seen for its vile nature; to the tune of likes and shares. This is a trend that has emerged on both sides, however if you use the metrics that influence this continual pattern you'll see that most of this does come from women. If this was something that didn't need to be discussed.....then explain r/femaledatingstrategy. A sub that masquerades as "helpful and empowering," is really nothing more than a story book hydra of misery and vile rhetoric.
So until both sides are equally fitted with blame, and held accountable for their individual actions why shouldn't this be debated? Accountability HAS to be accepted by women who will check sour vixens with attitudes fit to distill vinegar from; and cease the demand that men step up and continue to do the heavy lifting. Enough is enough.
[–]_HEDONISM_BOTThe Red Pill is a Delusion 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
The men on here act like it’s a crime against humanity for women to have physical standards for attractiveness.
Men are hyper focused on looks, but it’s a crime against humanity for women to do the same….??
The double standards
[–]tonyghow 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
No. Men admit to focusing on looks, while women claim they care more about personality. But in reality, women care about looks just as much, if not more. It’s the inconsistent hypocrisy in women that is a “crime against humanity.”
[–]LillthOfBabylon 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Men admit to focusing on looks,
And then get mad when women have look standards.
while women claim they care more about personality
They do.
[–]tonyghow 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I said women claim they care “more” about personality. That’s hardly black and white thinking.
Yes, yes, yes, we know women want it all. No settling or compromise. Great face, height, no pot belly, as well as witty, charming, confident, and ambitious. Good luck with finding the perfect man.
I said women claim they care “more” about personality.
In comparison of men they do, especially if we're going by okcupid. Men don't stupid shit for hot women more than women do stupid shit for hot men.
The other thing is that most men are not genetically ugly. Minor imperfections, yes, but it's mainly lack of hygiene and lack of fashion. Dressing like a neck beard is gross.
No settling or compromise.
Most people settle and compromise. Most of you are not prizes. If you think "all women think they're special" that means you hang around prima donnas and that says alot about you.
[–]tonyghow 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If all men needed to do is improve fashion and hygiene, women would be (should be) complimenting men a lot more often with slight caveats. “He’s cute. I’d date him if he wore a slim fit shirt and pressed jeans.” But I’ve never heard that or seen that.
Women want masculine facial features and stature. You can’t dress up a short balding dude with no jaw and sell him to any woman on OkCupid.
All women in online dating think they’re special. They advertise ridiculous demands way above their pay grade. While thinking that makeup and filters are doing them any good.
The other thing is that most men are not genetically ugly. … Most of you are not prizes.
Your posts are so contradictory. Just when I think you’re providing actual constructive criticism, you say something inane and insulting.
Are we “not ugly” or are we “not prizes” ? Which is it?
[–]LillthOfBabylon 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If all men needed to do is improve fashion and hygiene,
And men don't do that. I have complimented men who are actually fashionable, but it's mainly the women who bother putting effort into their fashion to shine.
He’s cute. I’d date him if he wore a slim fit shirt and pressed jeans.”
That's mediocre.
The most recent women I compliment:
Slim fit shirt and pressed jeans? GTFOH! LOL
You can’t dress up a short balding dude with no jaw and sell him to any woman on OkCupid.
They're the ones getting the majority of women's messages, if you bothered looking at the study instead of cherrypicking, you'd realize the majority of women's messages went to the 3s and 4s, while most men's messages went to the 7s and up.
While thinking that makeup and filters are doing them any good.
Clearly it is because those are the main women that men want to fuck.
Your posts are so contradictory.
Because you think only looks matter, showing that you're projecting your shallowness onto women.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
As SMBC put it:
Wife: Sex! Husband: Money! Caption: We decided to keep our wedding vows succinct
Wife: Sex! Husband: Money!
Wife: Sex!
Husband: Money!
Caption: We decided to keep our wedding vows succinct
Why would men, the Johns, not expect greater attractiveness in return for paying the women, the whores, money?
At least actual hookers know better than to think money comes for free lmao
[–]kblkbl165Purple Pill Man 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Because women work and get their own money?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yet 2/3 of husbands outearn their wives even despite the fact that
women work and get their own money
Which makes these women's dirty beggarhookerdom all the more pathetic
They don't even need the money!
[–]kblkbl165Purple Pill Man 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
You don't have to outearn your partner for his money to not be enough to "buy you". The point is that these women have financial independence and can afford to be single while looking for someone who can offer more than money.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You don't have to outearn your partner for his money to not be enough to "buy you".
Ah I see so the guy just "coincidentally" earns more bow convenient for the worthless beggarhookers wonder how much shame has to be suppressed to be able to tell even themselves such a thing with a straight face.
[–]O-j-OWannabe Chadpreet 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No matter how we look ourselves, we nearly always find the same set of people attractive. Just because someone is 3/10 doesn’t mean that he/she will find 3/10 attractive. If they are desperate enough then they may settle for another 3/10 but they will never really like each other and it will be a miserable union. It’s suffering for them regardless.
But I do agree that one should have an idea of where they stand and must not be bitter if the people they desire do not desire them back, because those attractive people have their own expectations for a partner and if you don’t fit into that equation then that doesn’t make them bad.
It takes a lot of time and a lot of maturity to accept that life does hand shit cards to a lot of people, some are short, some are ugly, some are both, some are tall and attractive but die young due to accident/disease, some are abused as kids, some live in a shithole and have no way of getting out.
Now we live in such times where the privileged few keep getting rubbed into people’s face all the time, hence reminding them of what they are lacking in their lives. The privileged also considers it their duty to put the less fortunate ones in their place. But that’s human nature, it doesn’t come innately to everyone to be empathetic to people you cannot help.
[–]Square_Inflation_534 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Ru mad what incels are refusing any women? They are so fucking thirsty they'd fuck anything. This is obviously how women behave though.
[–]LillthOfBabylon 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ru mad what incels are refusing any women
So they're not really incels. They're picky beggars, like everyone's been saying.
[–]Square_Inflation_534 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Can you read?
[–]Physical-Pie748 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
actually it the other way around with the genders. nice try tho. try dating apps with a below average male and a below average female. lets see your results.
[–]Consistent_Wear_1224 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
Both genders reject the ugly people but you do not see women complaining about rejection nearly as much as men do
[–]Physical-Pie748 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
of course i see women complaining on reddit. also in the overthirtydating. they complain about getting ghostet after the bedroom fun after the first date.
[–]Vicky-3 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Because the don’t get rejected as much DURRRRRRR
[–]Consistent_Wear_1224 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Ugly women are constantly rejected, they just do not talk about it as it's seen as extremely shameful to be rejected as a woman
[–]Vicky-3 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
And still, not as much as men.
[–]Consistent_Wear_1224 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
What do you mean? Looks are the only currency that women have while men can be rich and have an attractive personality. Nothing helps an ugly woman. Woman also have a biological clock so it's waay more important to them to reproduce in a stable family
[–]Vicky-3 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
And even with that, women overall still get rejected less than men. That how imbalanced it is.
[–]Consistent_Wear_1224 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Like I said, you only think it's less prevalent because you do not SEE women complain about rejection. Because it's a social taboo among women to call yourself ugly and unwanted. It's a social difference between men and women.
[–]Vicky-3 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
The dating apps prove you wrong. Any woman can get many dates on an app. Most men can only get a tiny amount. Even average men.
[–]Consistent_Wear_1224 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
That doesn't mean anything as guys will pump and dump.
She can't get a boyfriend, which is what she wants.
Even the pool of desperate men who would have sex with her is limited
[–]LillthOfBabylon 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Every time I bring up that most men get laid, the most common response I get is "But they're all probably fucking ugly chicks".
[–]goochiegg 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And they have to wait like 30 dates to even smash and will just be meal tickets or something
[–]ShinyBronzeIslam is right about everything 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Cake walk.
Ladies, you do realize men and women value different things in one another, right?
Men value physical attractiveness the most in women, and everything still matters, just not as much.
Women value more than just physical attractiveness in men. Resources, confidence, strength etc. She will be willing to forgive the lack of handsomeness if he has other characteristics. A women with a degree won’t date a hot guy who works at McDonald’s.
However, a man with a degree WILL date the hot barista from Starbucks.
Beauty is the most important component for us in mate selection. You can have the most desirable qualities in the world, but if we don’t find you hot, it won’t work.
[–]savetgebees 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Guys just don’t put in the effort. If a guy felt he was truly ugly and put in the same amount of effort the average woman puts into her appearance they would find more women open to dating them.
Bad skin: wash your face and moisturize every day and exfoliate once or twice a week if no change see a dermatologist.
Bad teeth: see a dentist/orthodontist.
Bad hair: see a nice stylist that will show you how to style it.
Also shave properly. Get your neck hair and nose hair. If you are going with a beard learn how to maintain it and keep it clean.
This isn’t even addressing working out and eating well as there are plenty of women who don’t do eat well and work out. But almost every woman I know puts effort into their hair, face and teeth.
[–]ShinyBronzeIslam is right about everything 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree.
Men need to get their mutable characteristics under control and give it the good old college try before complaining.
[–]Zerofication 16 points17 points18 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Females 101: If you find the collective of females agreeing to something related to dating or marriage, then it's flat out wrong or inaccurate at best.
[–]Insidious-SidI get paid to ridicule Thirsty Simps - Ask me how! 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Or a script flip aka 100% total projection.
[–]HOLYREGIME 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lmao. This is women when they get pumped n dumped by chad and the BB approaches.
[–]IHaveSalesQuestions 10 points11 points12 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh yeah, because women are the gender of realistic expectations.
[–]Individual-March8163 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Eh I take the dating app statistics over a meme lmao
[–]_HEDONISM_BOTThe Red Pill is a Delusion 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What statistics? Care to share?
[–]1Here4BachFriendly Misandrist 13 points14 points15 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Their narcissism and entitlement won’t allow them to see beauty in their looksmatch. Sad.
[–]afflictuseternal[S] 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Omg thank you so much for the award!! 💕 i've always wanted reddit premium lol, thanks for the free gift :')
[–]1Here4BachFriendly Misandrist 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You’re welcome!
[–]goochiegg 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Too bad she only wants hood dudes
[–]Rough_Collections 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
This is more women then men because men will pair with and entertain a woman at his level. Women don't understand that most non-Chad men actually do weight a woman's flaws and qualities to determine whether he should date her. Women on the other hand like to swing for the fences and complain when they strike out. There are literally thousands of video on TikTok about beautiful women saying that men, Period, are not approaching them and the only attention they are getting is from Pooky and Ray Rays that have nothing to lose and no self respect. I don't hear Chads with this complaint they literally clown on each other for messing with certain women. I have literally seen an average woman "Mooo'ed" at and called Shamu by Chads as she went into a Chad's room. I use to hate the Chads in my Simp days but then I realized what self respecting women let's a man treat her like that? At what point is it OK to let his friends moo at you and him just laugh along.
I still hate Chads but now I have no sympathy for the other side.
Edited: Grammer
[–]lulll 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
delet this thread immediately
[–]globalholiday5090 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, but also women just as much.
[–]Adamskog 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Only silly people think this doesn't work both ways. She would be doing the same as Quasimodo, and following that Phoebus guy around instead.
[–]SeaSquirrelBlue Pill Man 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This sub in a nutshell
[–]nothatyoucare 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So much projection in this post call it IMAX. If this were true then the rates of sexlessness between men and women would be roughly the same. But we all know they're not. Its men who experience sexlessness at higher rates. For this picture to be accurate at all you would need to swap the sexes between them.
[–]yvaN_ehT_nioJI'm just here for the spicy bantz 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
So we really are having our first ever biannual purge week then I guess
Biannual?
[–]yvaN_ehT_nioJI'm just here for the spicy bantz 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I.e, 2x a year. It hasn't even been a year since purge week and here we are having it again
[–]mbh63 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The shit posting hasn’t been this bad since purge week
[–]Square_Inflation_534 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"Why would you say you're hungry if there's a cold, rotting, moldy hot dog on the ground behind a gas station dumpster?"
[–]QuenchlessGato 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have yet to see an unattractive woman interacting out of her volition with an unattractive man.
[–]Lonelybuthopeful9 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nope, noone approached me
[–]ffandyy 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Fuck this is accurate lol
[–]Johnny_Autism 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
but men would fuck anything, remember?
The desperate ones
[–]throwthatmfaway 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Women can’t even accurately asses who’s whose looksmatch. Strawman.
[–]Icanusethesamehat 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
*laughs in autistic*
[–]Physical-Pie748 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
high value men chaser who are lying on female dating strategy that they could get high value men. but are low value women
[–]Vicky-3 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
This is true. That’s why RP tell guys, if your short,ugly and out of shape, socially awkward or broke you need to do something about it.
I had to admit this to myself, i would chase women waaaaay out of my league.
[–]boomcheese44 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Literally why I don't take most men seriously.
[–]ShorterThanMyGf 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This post is an exaggeration(and obv intended to be) but I really just think a lot of people who are not on extreme ends of attractiveness do not know what their "looksmatch" looks like. I've always been curious what the women equivalent of me looked like.
[–]superincongruent 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, I think everyone would do better if they were realistic about their "league". Like the "hot girl in glasses" actually fools the fuck out of a lot of men, and they are shocked to learn she's actually a stacy who is dating chad.
[–]ClassicFashionGuy 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dm me Face and I can help u Find it tbh
[–]Ask_For_Cock_PicsIntegrity is a Masculine Trait 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I am responding to this as an extremely attractive male, who is naturally nerdy and introverted, but has learned how to act narcissistic and cold in the pursuit of sex; Women are fucked. To win means to become the worst version of yourself.
Women are attracted to health, and attractiveness too, but men grow up learning to be corrupt, manipulative, greedy all in the pursuit of women, because it's almost exclusively terrible personality traits that they are attracted to. A world without women would be Eden.
[–]Banned_BY_SOYMEN 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Absolute bullshit. Fat girls even have high standards nowadays.
[–]livs4dietdrpepperValidation Seeker -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
Very accurate
[–]throwinoutex-Red Pill, now Purple Man 16 points17 points18 points 2 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
Not even close. It is just using the trope of women being these pure hearted nice creatures when that clearly isn't the case. Real life shows women aren't nice to ugly men even if they are ugly themselves. IME ugly girls tend to have ugly attitudes too.
[–]LillthOfBabylon 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Real life shows women aren't nice to ugly men
Then go gogogle Chris Chan and tell me if you think he has no friends because of his looks.
In your eyes, I doubt you'll think Chris sexually harassing his only female friend and drawing pictures of him having sex with her is why she hated him.
[–]throwinoutex-Red Pill, now Purple Man 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
What does that have to do with my post? I googled and saw something about trans and realized this is some nutty case. I don't know all the intricacies of that subculture, but trying to extrapolate that to the general pop is stupid.
That example has nothing to do with how women treat ugly men. Chris Chan apparently doesn't even present as a man. Honestly, your post doesn't follow mine at all. Ugly girls do tend to have ugly personalities. The only thing I can concede is that their personalities aren't that much worse than women's in general.
[–]LillthOfBabylon -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
That's what you claimed.
realized this is some nutty case.
WOW! You mean men might actually do shit to fuck up with relationships with women?! I'm glad you finally learned that!
Ugly girls do tend to have ugly personalities.
Meanwhile, ignoring an ugly guy who sexually harassed women and raped his own mother.
That example has nothing to do with how women treat ugly men.
It does because he sexually harassed his friend before claiming to be trans, but I see you're trying super hard to pretend all men are little victims.
[–]throwinoutex-Red Pill, now Purple Man 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
And? How does your post do anything regarding that?
Some trans woman in some weird subculture.
This is just whataboutism. Did I claim ugly men were angels? You seem to make that logical mistake here and in the previous quote. Actually your example just shows trans women are crazy creeps more than anything.
Ugh, you clearly have reading comprehension problems. Where did I pretend men were victims? I simply pointed out that this comic trying to pretend women (especially ugly women) are these virtuous angels is severely stupid.
[–]LillthOfBabylon -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is just whataboutism
You did it first. It's funny talking to hypocrites like you. You absolutely refuse to be consistent.
Where did I pretend men were victims?
You whining about "ugly men this, ugly men that", but when I show you an example of an ugly man having an awful, you want to ignore it.
You're the one who thinks your gender is filled with virtuous angels.
I simply pointed out that this comic trying to pretend women (especially ugly women) are these virtuous angels is severely stupid.
No it didn't. It's pointing out that men are massive hypocrites who complain that hot women won't fuck ugly men.
[–]throwinoutex-Red Pill, now Purple Man 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Where was my whataboutism? I don't even think you know what that word means. I was talking about the woman presented in the image (representing ugly women). You're talking about some outside scenarios.
JFC you're so tilted you lost grammatical ability. Calm down lady. I never claimed ugly men were better. This post is trying to claim that ugly women are better or nicer. That is clearly untrue. My point is ugly men and women are shit. This pic is trying to pretend ugly women are these great people who look past appearance and try to be nice to ugly men when that clearly isn't true.
[–]livs4dietdrpepperValidation Seeker -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Babes it is true. The only thing I will say is it’s often reversed with woman as well
[–]throwinoutex-Red Pill, now Purple Man 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nah, if it was true, the ugly woman would be off to the side judging him instead of trying to be nice.
[–]Consistent_Wear_1224 -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
This doesn't portray women as nice and pureat all lol. If that were the case then the hot girl would have been nice to him.
It only shows that unattractive people do not want other unattractive people
[–]throwinoutex-Red Pill, now Purple Man 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
It portrays the ugly woman as virtuous. She is able to look past appearance and has these great views while the ugly man doesn't. The comic is about the ugly woman trying to want this ugly guy because she's so great, but apparently the ugly guy doesn't want her. This is the exact opposite of how things play out in real life btw.
[–]Consistent_Wear_1224 -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
You read into it way to emotionally. There's nothing virtuous about what she did, talking to your looksmatch is virtuous? Is that how you see talking to ugly women, God I'm such a Saint?
[–]sleuthoftrades1Purple Pill Man 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Dude, read the comic again. "It's but casing for a most worthy soul". The comic is presenting her as above superficiality and the man as not. It isn't even subtext, it's plain text. Idk why this is hard for you.
[–]Consistent_Wear_1224 -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
And you have never used a pick up line?
[–]sleuthoftrades1Purple Pill Man 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Nah, using pick up lines is dopey and cringe.
But you're clearly being obstinate now because you can't admit to being mistaken. The intention of the comic is clearly to make the ugly woman look good and the ugly man look bad.
[–]Consistent_Wear_1224 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That's only bc you consider even bothering to throw a pick up line at your looksmatch to be some sort of charity.
If they wanted to show women in a positive light then the hot chick would smile and turn him down politely and not walk past him like that. The looksmatch would ask him to come home with her and eat dinner.
The ugly woman is pragmatic while the ugly man is a hypocrite in the comic.
[–]sleuthoftrades1Purple Pill Man 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I don't. Not even sure where you got that from. I think people who use pick up lines are losers who watch too much PUA.
Ok fine, if you're going to be pedantic, they are trying to show ugly women in a positive light. It's a fucking 4 panel comic. "Hurr durr why didn't they show a chronological timeline of their entire conversation" - you.
[–]creekcrystallStacy from Hell -5 points-4 points-3 points 2 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Most accurate post on this sub!
[–]michael1962-01 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Cup size?
Height?
HWR?
Bodyfat%
Lifting stats?
Stacey you are not allowed to post here without your proof .....
[–]creekcrystallStacy from Hell 8 points9 points10 points 2 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link
message me your proof of income and I might think about it.
brokies aren’t allowed to be demanding shit around here
[–]michael1962-01 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
My income took a hit with the last divorce which was 7 digit even i had precautions - but worth ecery cent.
You can look up financial statements from my companies. They have publishing obligations.
[–]SpicyHotTake 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I am a successful businessman and I waste my time debating gender politics on reddit
[–]creekcrystallStacy from Hell 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
All HVM are on Reddit debating gender politics on Reddit /s
[–]SpicyHotTake 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Kevin Samuels type beat
[–]SmurfESmurfersonStacy’s Post-Wall Mom 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Loooooool
[–]michael1962-01 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Is it fun or a waste of time?
[–]SpicyHotTake 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have fun but if I was making that much $ I might have to retire the Reddit addiction
[–]michael1962-01 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
.... i sold the factories a decade ago. I only have real estates like malls / multistories / teenant houses and their management companies any longer.
And i do the things i like.
I go for new goals - i have some products in the midphase of developement - but i do it slow. You want things to really function perfect and from then on you want to have the right people and organizations to mass market it.
As it is a whole new technic you need to educate a few who can educate others to bring it to the market.
[–]HOLYREGIME 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How much income we talking? I can show you my McDonald’s pay stub.
[–]1master_dom 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is nonsense. Most men will fuck anything. Look at some of the women profiting off onlyfans. Horrid, but paid.
[–]TheHeroReditDeserves 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is a post
This is a curious advice I have seen a couple of times but then I ask, what is your real advice ? setting up with a person from opposite sex who is the same physically unattractive ? That would be an actual equal exchenge for both sides but then, would you ask a man to be sexually conformist? Even then, where is supposed to be the typical adviced given to men about " get to gym, get a shower, learn to game with girls, clean your teeth", because neither of them will fix the guy's face, guy's height, legs assimetry and more.
I'm looking up for a legit reply.
[–]FrostieTheSnowmanPerplexed Fellow 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Unfortunately, there is such a thing as "too ugly", and it's pretty much different for everybody. Men and women alike are attracted to certain things, and neither should be shamed or resented for it. But, also probably shouldn't be openly weeping about it if you're going to be a choosy beggar xD
[–]tonyghow 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This just in! If someone draws something as a cartoon, it must be true!
[–]anonymouscausefuckURed Pill Man 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
While I definitely can’t say that this post is inaccurate, you gotta understand this attraction is an involuntary physical instinct. You can’t control who you’re physically attracted to any more than you can stop breathing.
[–]assman_x64 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Do you think this meme would fly if the genders were reversed? Hell fcking no 😂
[–]cornfedduckman 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women can have standards and men can't.
[–]TrainingNeck4003 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
CORRECTION: SOME "MEN" IN A NUTSHELL. Men can't generalize all women, why can you generalize all men. Matter of a fact, why can't both men and women cognize that all men and women aren't thinking, acting, feeling, behaving, amd communicating the same things.
People have the $hitty mindset of same the same $hit different piles. Not all people are $hitty people. Men AND Women.
[–]afflictuseternal[S] 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Are you saying that there are men who would be genuinely attracted to ugly women, say a woman that facially looks like the one in the comic?
[–]TrainingNeck4003 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, I would and my cousin. That's two for the price of one. I may not be attracted to they looks, but I may be attracted to other assets or qualities. A man only looking at looks, ain't caring about the bigger picture bro. Same applies to superficial women.
[–]social_mulea penny for your thots 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This has really become a popular school of thought, hasn't it? I can't argue with another person's experience but I've been to Walmart on a Sunday afternoon enough times to know that ugly people are marrying other ugly people left, right and center. And they're having 2-3 ugly kids to boot.
[–]Netflix_Guzzler 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Reminds me of Joe & Love😂
goes both ways tbh, you see the same attitude among incels and femcels
[–]michael1962-01 -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I feel that guy.
How dare some women to even talk to me. Don't they see that my small brain would not steer in wood even not on ED overdose.....
[–]dysonRing -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I still think women's looks are mutable (except age), I lucked out but can still see a lot of stuff that makes me deeply uncomfortable like the stedfastedness towards immutable characteristics.
Ironically it is the wallet, a mutable characteristic, that I vet for.
[–]lkfb94 -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Eleven ugly people don’t want to sleep with ugly people.
Make your philosophy include your physicality.
Look after yourself, get healthy, get attractive.
You won’t be as attractive as those who have looked after themselves since birth.
Some are lucky to be born into a position in the world where self care is intrinsic. Others are unlucky enough to find themselves were torture is intrinsic.
Make yourself better and find someone fitting.
Once you have both loved yourselves, perhaps you can love eachother.
[–]Goldfish112233No Pill 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I, a fairly attractive person who is just a little more chubby than the average person because of my build, am so in love with chubby, conventionally unattractive women. I don’t know where you got this idea that because someone is thicker they’re uglier, but that’s just incorrect.
[–]throwinoutex-Red Pill, now Purple Man 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Lesbians tend to be more forgiving about fat women than straight women are about fat men. It isn't comparable.
[–]Goldfish112233No Pill 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well, I’m attracted to chubby guys too, I was just talking about this unrealistic idea that no one would be attracted to a heavier person. I think all body types are beautiful regardless of gender, also, I’m not a lesbian, nor a women.
are you a girl ? Do you mean you have a bit more belly or fat on face ? Fat works way different in women that it is for men. Fat doesn't improve sex appeal in anyway to men and never have seen a single woman is sexually aroused by fat on typically male's belly or face.
Fat doesn't turn you suddenly a 1/10 girl just like fat does for a man, from general girl's perspective.
[–]Goldfish112233No Pill 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have a chubby face, and a chubby body. But I am attracted to guys with body fat too, the only boyfriend I’ve had was a fair amount of chubby, and he wasn’t immediately out of the picture because of that. The only reason we’re not together anymore is because of some issues he had with his family, nothing about his weight changed any relationship I had with him.
Also, I’m afab and feminine presenting, though I identify as gender fluid and use any pronouns.
[–]Icanusethesamehat 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I dunno ugly people are more sexy.
how is "taking care of yourself" actually improves the unfortunate fate have many guys just like the one from post ? Imagine that dude with six pack, clean teeth and a shower. It wouldn't change his baldness, broke teeth, curved back, short height, assymetrical legs, wrinckles across the whole face.
It's certainly naive this "look after yourself" advice when skips completely most of physical traits that are genetic and make you actually ugly.
[–][deleted] 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
how about MGTOW ? 3rd way and healthier choice rather than stucking with unattractive people and sexually unpleasing partners ?
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Don't encourage or promote suicide. This breaks Reddit TOS
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Basically the story of my life.
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