TIL: Southern Poverty Law Center thinks R/mensrights is a burgeoning hate group.

godlessaltruist · 2012-03-08T23:38:20+00:00

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DevinV · 2012-03-09T06:04:28+00:00

I'm a little disturbed by how often they cite Amanda Marcotte, as if she is an unbiased resource without a huge history of hatred and distortion behind her.

Ma99ie · 2012-03-09T03:14:08+00:00

I emailed the SPLC and got this response:

[email protected] 3:17 PM (3 hours ago)

to me

Magdelyn,

The story was edited by me. It was written by a free-lancer at our instruction. I'd be happy to try to answer any questions.

Mark Potok Editor, Intelligence Report/Hatewatch blog SPLC

On 3/8/12 5:15 PM [email protected] wrote:

Submitted on Thursday, March 8, 2012 - 17:15 Submitted values are:

Subject: Intelligence Report comment Body: In re, Intelligence Report, Spring 2012, Issue Number: 145, in re men's rights. I would like to get information about the authors/investigators responsible for this posting. Is there a way to do that? Was it created by employees of SPLC?

AryoBarzan · 2012-03-09T00:34:18+00:00

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kronox · 2012-03-08T22:31:10+00:00

Reddit: Mens Rights A “subreddit” of the user-generated news site Reddit, this forum describes itself as a “place for people who feel that men are currently being disadvantaged by society.” While it presents itself as a home for men seeking equality, it is notable for the anger it shows toward any program designed to help women. It also trafficks in various conspiracy theories. “Kloo2yoo,” identified as a site moderator, writes that there is “undeniable proof” of an international feminist conspiracy involving the United Nations, the Obama Administration and others, aimed at demonizing men.

Anger at programs for women? I see it here in cases where men are not given the same program however how in the world is that a major part of discussion here? I definitely haven't noticed that.

funnyfaceking · 2012-03-09T06:30:14+00:00

It's ironic that a place called the "Southern Poverty Law Center" would mock a guy (MarkyMark) for having a "financially underwater house and a chronic medical condition"

roland3337 · 2012-03-09T01:58:43+00:00

The mention of Dave Furtell's 'Manboobz' blog leads me to believe that he authored the entire section of this news letter.

The suspicion enough for me to not give it the least bit of credibility.

scurvebeard · 2012-03-09T05:29:45+00:00

It should be noted that this very page also lists the sites for "False Rape Society" and "A Voice for Men". Both of these are in our sidebar.

misterdoctorproff · 2012-03-09T05:17:45+00:00

Does anybody in here see anything fucking wrong with this sentence?

"Another resource is the Man Boobz website (manboobz.com), a humorous pro-feminist blog (its tagline is “Misogyny: I Mock It”) that keeps a close eye on these and many other woman-hating sites."

Manboobz is THE most misandrist site in existence and routinely harasses male rape and domestic violence victims. A red flag should be going off. This is like full uniformed Nazis accusing the Jews of being racist.

hardwarequestions · 2012-03-08T22:52:10+00:00

SAVE Services The acronym in SAVE Services stands for Stop Abusive and Violent Environments; “Protecting Victims, Stopping False Allegations, Ending Abuse” is its tagline. In practice, that means lobbying to roll back services for victims of domestic abuse and penalties for their tormentors, while working to return the focus to the “true victims of abuse” — the falsely accused. The site trumpets as a “key fact” that “[f]emale initiation of partner violence is the leading reason for the woman becoming a victim of subsequent violence,” even though a study shows that approximately twice as many women as men are injured during incidents of domestic violence.

and yet the SPLC doesn't cite the study...

AnnArchist · 2012-03-09T03:01:22+00:00

Register-Her.com, an affiliated website that vilifies women by name who have made supposedly false rape allegations (among other crimes against masculinity), is one of Elam’s signature “anti-hate” efforts. “Why are these women not in prison?” the site asks.

What the fuck? These women DO belong in prison.

Doctor_Loggins · 2012-03-09T02:10:14+00:00

The site trumpets as a “key fact” that “[f]emale initiation of partner violence is the leading reason for the woman becoming a victim of subsequent violence,” even though a study shows that approximately twice as many women as men are injured during incidents of domestic violence.

This passage seems to be kind of missing the point. I don't claim to know the statistics, but... men, overall, tend to be stronger and have more muscle mass than women. Therefore, when a woman hits a man and a man retaliates by hitting a woman, the woman is more likely to sustain an injury. Furthermore, a woman is far more likely to report such an injury than is a man. I find it odd that they would accuse statistics of being meaningless while citing equally meaningless statistics.

attheoffice · 2012-03-09T00:40:55+00:00

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seeswell · 2012-03-09T11:50:27+00:00

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Wordshark · 2012-03-09T05:43:19+00:00

...and I'm sure MLK was put on more than one terrorist watch list. If you don't have the stomach to see yourself demonized, you probably shouldn't be a social activist.

Whisper · 2012-03-09T10:23:11+00:00

Scare quotes galore from the "concerned citizens" at the "Southern Poverty Law Center".

ThePigman · 2012-03-09T01:04:38+00:00

I actually get email updates from these assholes, or at least i did till five minutes ago when i opted out, giving this explanation...

"As a regular at the Men's Rights Reddit i find the article below insulting and defamatory and can no longer take your once fine organization seriously... http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/spring/misogyny-the-sites"

ThePigman · 2012-03-09T01:07:36+00:00

The OPs link isnt the only hatchet job we are coping from these dirtbags...

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/spring/myths-of-the-manosphere-lying-about-women

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/spring/a-war-on-women

hardwarequestions · 2012-03-08T23:25:46+00:00

i don't waste much time on them, so can anyone else recall a list of man-hating sites that espouse actual misandry? if we get a long enough list how bout we submit it to the SPLC for publication?

shoreward · 2012-03-09T01:01:56+00:00

Stay strong

misterdoctorproff · 2012-03-09T04:33:05+00:00

This list would make more sense if the SPLC had a list that also had Jezebel and r/feminism, which arguably have even more man-hate than any of these groups have women-hate. If they are going to label a group based on the ramblings of a minority of individuals, the SPLC might as well be consistent, but they aren't even that. This sheer hypocrisy exposes them for the wretched hive of scum and villainy that they are.

2012-03-09T08:21:48+00:00

I see their concern with some of the sites, but the majority are in no way misogynistic. eg. false-rape society, a voice for men

By their standards, they are also a hate-group!

SpawnQuixote · 2012-03-09T14:40:50+00:00

This is just more shaming language. Predictable and forgettable.

Godspiral · 2012-03-09T15:59:26+00:00

Does the Southern Poverty Law Center receive government funding?

Bobsutan · 2012-03-09T15:05:18+00:00

This is actually a huge win when you think about it. This means on a national mainstream scale they've taken to fighting us.

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." --Mahatma Gandhi

Now we know where we stand on the grander scale. All this talk about MR having an image problem is bullshit.It just means people are finally standing up and taking notice of what we've been fighting for.

Saw this earlier as well:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Feminism/comments/qo61a/rmensrights_is_now_recognized_as_a_hate_group_by/

And thanks to them for itemizing the sites as some of those I haven't seen before. Also, lol at them for popping up Manboobz as a "good site". Clearly the Southern Poverty Law Center has shown their true colors. They should just rename themelves and get it over with: The Southern Poverty FEMINIST Law Center.

Peter_Principle_ · 2012-03-09T01:44:12+00:00

SPLC: writing about MRM sites the way fundamentalist xians wrote about Dungeons & Dragons.

AryoBarzan · 2012-03-09T11:05:21+00:00

Great... so now... where is their 'Misandry' section?

Oh wait...

hardwarequestions · 2012-03-08T22:49:32+00:00

the /2x duplicate discussion of this post thinks this is awesome...

Nobody_special · 2012-03-09T15:08:51+00:00

Someone once said, there is no such thing as bad publicity. I am glad there is discussion about the issue.

typhonblue · 2012-03-09T01:34:14+00:00

Soooo... every blackwidow who ever killed her husband discredits feminism?

Where is the connection here?

kronso · 2012-03-09T01:33:58+00:00

Any criticism of the SPLC will result in the SPLC terming you a hate group. So can it before they run you out of town on a rail. But let us leave that little sarcastic remark behind.

Despite browsing here from time to time, I don't think the anger level is higher than it is in other civil rights groups, and I don't recall ever reading any post or comment here connecting anything to the UN.

snackmcgee · 2012-03-09T00:48:59+00:00

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ThePigman · 2012-03-09T00:50:21+00:00

TIL the Southern Poverty Law Center can no longer be taken seriously. Really, what next, declaring the ADL and the NAACP hate groups? There are a shitload of feminist sites out there that are little more than a female supremacist equivalent of Stormfront and we are the villains? Fuck the SPLC.

ENTP · 2012-03-09T01:28:09+00:00

This is fucking BULLSHIT

AgentmraOrangemrm · 2012-03-09T03:11:39+00:00

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JeremiahGuy · 2012-03-09T03:54:59+00:00

Good. That means were getting attention. And you'll notice they aren't just attacking this place, they're attacking even the very moderate save services. So the arguments from feminist trolls like misseff and the_patriarchy that they're targeting us because of the "radicals" are lies. They attack ALL of us who dont cater to feminism.

NoSalt · 2012-03-09T15:39:22+00:00

Since when did not wanting to be taken advantage of become a bad thing???

cmcagle · 2012-03-08T23:32:42+00:00

That's alright, SPLC doesn't have any credibility.

dustysmash · 2012-03-09T12:08:01+00:00

All, While I believe that the MRM has some serious "marketing" problems that need to be addressed before the idea will be accepted by the mainstream, there is something that I have not yet seen in these comments:

This is the Southern Poverty Law Center. It only continues to receive funding as long as there is a "threat" to it's consumer base.

While it does do good work in some areas, this is nothing more than a money grab. And right at budget time, too.

Simply dismiss this article as a special form of fear mongering.

I personally believe that MRM will not gain a foothold until we as a group stop arguing directly with our detractors and begin actually addressing policy leaders and decision makers. Sadly, in this world, the only way to affect these leaders is through lobbying. We need to begin to consider how to fund this effort. It will take more than donations from group members.

Knight_Femplar · 2012-03-09T19:59:34+00:00

Grats on being a hate group!

PS, please ban me from this subreddit, I don't want to be associated with a hate group

2012-03-09T01:46:00+00:00

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vaughg · 2012-03-09T00:32:40+00:00

Why not just straight up say that MRAs are all misogynistic haters? That's what the knee jerk reaction is. Sure, like in any movement there are radicals, and often a lot of them when a movement gets started. But the core of r/Mensrights and MRA is not hate!

I do not hate anyone, that's the point. The point of MRA is is to point out the double standards towards men and how it is acceptable to hate men. If someone misunderstands this then we just have to stick to the message.

2012-03-11T04:46:50+00:00

Wow, I wish I could say I was not surprised. This sub has been off the rails for a very long time.

pjwork · 2012-03-08T23:27:51+00:00

From their who we are page:

The Southern Poverty Law Center is a nonprofit civil rights organization dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry, and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of society.

I guess it's all that male privilege that means men could never be hated, be the receiver of bigotry, or be deprived of justice. ಠ_ಠ

iMADEthis2post · 2012-03-09T17:39:42+00:00

I am sorry to say that in my postings here, which haven't really been that many, I have seen a militant approach to feminism and all feminism at that.

I am very much against that, I don't think it's helpful in the slightest. It allows articles like this one to easily exist and gives credit to them, which in turn belittles any genuine concerns I and men like me have.

I have heard the arguments that to get the message across all feminism needs to be targeted and a big noise has to be made to grab headlines just like the right wing feminists do, who should very much be assigned the mantle of hate groups themselves. The problem being that society has evolved a way of thinking that men have a pertinacity towards violence and need controlling. The facts that women engage in acts of domestic violence just as much as men (which does not excuse men who do so), The facts that female acts of paedophillia, violence against children and the psychological abuse of children is notably more common than it is in males. These facts and others just don't matter to most people, not just women, people. Society has been conditioned in a very perverse way to see women as equals and at the same time incapable of the same crimes men are. When we see a woman in court plastered all over the TV she generally only made it there because the case was extreme and while that one case you see may very well sentence that woman correctly the average female offender will receive what amounts to a slap on the wrist when compared to a man perpetrating the same crime. And this will continue because it is just the way most of society see women and we, as men can't scream and shout like bigots, regardless if we have reason to or not, because we do not have that right. The only hearts and minds we are grabbing are those who have felt just how fucked up society can be towards men.

It's a sad fact and it needs addressing. I favor each case on its own merit. Unjust law? Target that law, remove it or its gender bias. An uneducated society? Okay lets see about educating them, if we can do it without screaming at or about people, especial groups of people (feminists) our concerns will come across with the reason and empathy they deserve.

There are bigots in here, just like there are bigots in feminism. It's a sad fact of life. It's also a sad fact that these kinds of people also have the loudest voice and like to be heard more than anything else. Now I'm sure that these people have plenty reason to be angry, I'm sure in many cases the system has fucked their lives over and I'm sorry but you are to damaged to be a voice of reason. While your circumstance may be an excellent example of inequality, your voice is a liability.

cmcagle · 2012-03-09T00:28:58+00:00

Being called a "hate group" by the SPLC should be considered a badge of honor, and should be on the bucket list of anyone who favors critical thinking to blind acceptance of the liberal/progressive status quo.

2012-03-09T00:08:09+00:00

SPLC stinks

Oba-mao · 2012-03-09T02:57:04+00:00

Does anyone take those clowns seriously?

ss_camaro · 2012-03-09T06:51:18+00:00

SPLC is a marxist organization and feminism a plank in their platform. 'Hater' is their term for people they hate. They are a highly organized, highly funded, part of the establishment.

duglock · 2012-03-09T11:53:13+00:00

Because SPLC designates any organization or group that is against far-left policies as "hate groups". This is lost on the mods here though.

carchamp1 · 2012-03-08T23:32:50+00:00

Woohoo! We're famous!!!

There's no such thing as bad publicity folks.

wolfsktaag · 2012-03-08T23:30:50+00:00

a most grievous wound

SpeakToTheSky · 2012-03-08T23:32:11+00:00

Ah, yes. The known Leftist/Progressive apparatchiks at the Southern Poverty Law Center lie and obfuscate to paint opponents of Leftist/Progressive Feminist apparatchiks as a hate group.

I am shocked. Shocked, and appalled.

2012-03-09T01:49:33+00:00

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nlakes · 2012-03-09T05:34:04+00:00

We need better definitions for feminist.

Uni victimist feminists are not the same as 'encourage girls into male dominated fields' feminists.

hardwarequestions · 2012-03-08T22:22:27+00:00

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inthemud · 2012-03-09T04:17:02+00:00

A priority of the MRA should be to discredit the SPLC. It would be good practice. Let us see what r/MensRights can do. Enough words.

2012-03-09T01:11:28+00:00

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2012-03-09T01:02:14+00:00

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funnyfaceking · 2012-03-09T04:06:11+00:00

This is like, seriously frightening.

TheRealPariah · 2012-03-09T21:29:30+00:00

I know you are all raging at the SPLC, but please do not forget they are strong advocates of defendants rights - which are mostly men. Do they do stupid shit? Yep, they have been taken over by feminists.

TheRealPariah · 2012-03-09T02:24:50+00:00

It's sad because they have done quite a bit of good work. They're taken over by feminists just like the ACLU.

2012-03-09T02:17:12+00:00

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Title	TIL: Southern Poverty Law Center thinks R/mensrights is a burgeoning hate group.
Author	ingliplives
Upvotes	434
Comments	447
Date	March 8, 2012 10:14 PM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/qnxyb/til_southern_poverty_law_center_thinks/
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