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What Really Happens to Sexual Desire During Marriage?—Study finds women's sex drives drop after marriage and this causes relationship problems, not the other way around

whatafoolishsquid

January 30, 2022
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Title What Really Happens to Sexual Desire During Marriage?—Study finds women's sex drives drop after marriage and this causes relationship problems, not the other way around
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Date January 30, 2022 9:01 PM UTC
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[–]TendieDinner777 528 points529 points530 points 4 years ago (92 children) | Copy Link

“Five years into marriage, the average husband's sexual desires are unchanged, but the average wife's have decreased.

Knowing that this is a common pattern might help couples !!! refrain from blaming themselves and each other !!! or fearing their marriage has problems.”

Right, because even when studies show that it’s women who change, it’s nobody’s fault or responsibility. If it were men, the article would be all about health and ED meds.

[–]hudibrastic 269 points270 points271 points 4 years ago (47 children) | Copy Link

“Women desire changes and her change in desire is the thing responsible for the marriage happiness to decline... Conclusion: Nothing to see here, there's no one to blame”

[–]TendieDinner777 163 points164 points165 points 4 years ago* (45 children) | Copy Link

Even if she can’t control it, her decline in libido is objectively at least a primary contributing factor to a less than functional relationship, when relatively frequent sex was established as the expectation.

[–]grimreefer213 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes they will never blame women directly for any sort of failure, notice how they never say “single mother homes”, it’s always “single parent homes”, or “fatherless homes”. The onus will always be on the man to qualify to malady and take the blame for the failure.

I think if men were red pill aware or game savvy they could help their chances immensely within the context of a marriage. Most men are blue pill and don’t understand the desire dynamic, men believe in relationship equity thinking if I just continue doing the work and i’m a good dad, I work around the house, if she would just tell me what I can do to help then I can fix it, but in reality that doesn’t work. You can’t negotiate desire and not even money can buy desire, it makes sense that women’s sexuality would go down especially if she has children because that baby crazy wanting to tear your clothes off urgency is no longer there. She’s already completing her mating strategy whereas men’s sexuality is always turned on.

Comfort, familiarity, and rapport are great for a family but they are anti-seductive, caring for children is anti seductive and pre-occupies your time and energy, men need to find ways to cultivate the sexual tension and urgency like before. Marriage counseling probably isn’t going to reason and negotiate your wife back into bed with you.

Monogamy serves a purpose but men and women have competing sexual strategies and it’s unlikely for one woman to be able to keep a man happy over the course of years or decades, historically this is why men with higher status had multiple wives or a main wife plus some mistresses. Because we’ve been brought up under the romantic ideal it seems unfathomable today for a man to do this without getting lambasted, women want to have the high value guy all to herself and we deny our human nature.

[–]BookkeeperAccurate18 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

historically this is why men with higher status had multiple wives or a main wife plus some mistresses

Was that ever accepted historically, outside of some kings and emperors? I feel like marital infidelity has been taken pretty seriously in past centuries.

[–]heyyy-kiddo 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It was for Muslim countries. Also for nobles and wealthy merchants.

The number of women you had depended on your status and power.

You had one wife,but historians like to leave out the "spicy" side stuff.

Your average Joe tho had only 1 woman

[–]macrotransactions 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Historically, legal martial rape was the advantage men got out of marriage, for women it was being provided.

Martial rape is now illegal, but a woman being a leech is still totally protected by law (cutting condoms, lying about birth control, lying about the biological father, stealing and impregnating yourself with semen with mandatory financial support for 18+ years as the result, no paper abortions while women can abort as they please, seduction for impregnation legal while giving a woman alcohol is rape, divorce bullshit laws). And that doesn't even touch the shame-level of society, women don't even get shamed for leeching.

Conclusion: NEVER marry, just pay escorts.

[+]visicircle -40 points-39 points-38 points 4 years ago (40 children) | Copy Link

And the solution is....?

[–]TendieDinner777 90 points91 points92 points 4 years ago* (25 children) | Copy Link

Don’t get married and perhaps don’t cohabitate.

Libido changes as one ages, but you don’t have to guarantee yourself to someone and see them 24/7, dampening the spark and the pressure to keep each other interested.

[+]visicircle -45 points-44 points-43 points 4 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

I like Louis C.K.s advice. Get married, make a fucking mess, and then get divorced. Because that's the best part of marriage.

[+][deleted] 4 years ago* (21 children) | Copy Link

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[+]visicircle -34 points-33 points-32 points 4 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

It's called a prenup, my man.

[–]Jakeybaby125 65 points66 points67 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Which can get thrown out if the woman says she was coerced to sign it under duress

[+]visicircle -12 points-11 points-10 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Gotta have a witness or two. Just like signing a will.

[–]welcometothejl 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I am currently engaged and recently spoke to a lawyer about a pre nup, here is what I have learned. Where I live it can't protect me from alimony. It can't protect me from paying child support. It can't say that we should have equal custody of children. It can't say that if someone cheats they get less. It can't protect assets I have earned previously if I were to use them as a down payment on a house, for example. Your mileage may vary, but a pre nup is kind of useless IMO.

[–]heyyy-kiddo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, just as marriage as a whole. If you love her and she loves you ,you don't need to "marry".

Just go to the church and perform the ceremony. Leave the marriage papers out.

[–]visicircle 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Whew, is there anything is DOES cover?

[–]heyyy-kiddo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not worth the paper it's written on.

[–]Slow-Brush 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

How about a man just pay a hooker a few dollars make her a regular client and when the man get tired he just walk away without any problems.

[–]Frosty-Gate-8094 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It would be the best part, if the man didn't have to pay half-million dollars in compensation during divorce...

That's why its better not to marry, then to expect a divorce lawyer to bail you out of your mess.

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[–]visicircle 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was thinking serial monogamy, but you know.... Whatever is their pleasure.

[–]heyyy-kiddo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha,find a woman that would accept even a prostitute,none the less a concubine or cake.

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Find a new one, and not be married to the old one.

[–]skolopendron 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You ask for a solution and got downvoted? WTF?

[–]visicircle 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Behold the toxicity of Identity Politics.

[–]ABeeBox -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of solutions. Things that even r/TwoxChromosomes and r/Dating_Advice ALWAYS support: COMMUNICATION!

Think of dating as a little experiment, testing the waters, making sure it's something favourable, some thing you like.

Then when you're officially in a relationship, think of it as a probationary period before marriage. You can leave without substantial consequences at any time. Ye can discuss what is important in eachothers lives. Find out what is important and what makes a relationship work between you two.

When you're married, that's when you need to stick to your communication and honesty for whenever anything changes.

So communication and honesty is vital for a relationship to work. There's a lot of outside factors that can affect sex life that can eventually result in separation.

What are the other solutions? Couples counselling, sex therapy, therapy, environmental change, exercise, change in diet, partaking in a hobby together, quality time over quantity time. The list goes on.

And the solution is....?

Is the most ignorant answer because everything I just said came from the top of my head. It just takes a bit of common sense. It just emits "Well how are we supposed to change, men should change" vibes. Just pointing fingers the other way.

[–]visicircle 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Why the negative attitude? You are assuming that I was thinking "men should change," when the exact opposite is the case. Judging from the number of downvotes, it seems you are in good company. I think you may be projecting your concerns onto the internet posts you are reading. You shouldn't, as you have no way to know the unvoiced intent behind an anonymous post.

I take issue with you saying my post is an "ignorant answer." I asked a question. A questions is literally the exact opposite of an answer. So it seems to me you are going through a lot of mental gymnastics to reframe my question as an attack. Which it is not, and was never intended to be.

Honestly, I think this sub is making people irrationally paranoid of the troubles men face. Certainly, bias against men is real, and is getting worse currently. But irrational fear and psychological projection do nothing to help men's situation out.

[–]ABeeBox -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Why the negative attitude? You are assuming that I was thinking "men should change," when the exact opposite is the case.

Didn't assume, I said it emits the same energy e.g. it's an argument used by the same people who oppose that view. There was also no negative attitude, or atleast, it was not my intention to display negativity but rather highlight how common that kind of argument is.

Judging from the number of downvotes,

Ehmmm.. boohoo? Should I care about my Internet points? What does it prove. Why would an internet currency validate my expression? Seriously, who obsesses over reddit karma? It's incredibly pathetic.

I think you may be projecting your concerns onto the internet posts you are reading. You shouldn't, as you have no way to know the unvoiced intent behind an anonymous post.

You just rediscovered reddit. A platform for voicing opinions anonymously for others to anonymously interpret.

I take issue with you saying my post is an "ignorant answer." I asked a question. A questions is literally the exact opposite of an answer. So it seems to me you are going through a lot of mental gymnastics to reframe my question as an attack. Which it is not, and was never intended to be.

It is an answer, it is called a socratic answer, It is an ignorant socratic answer. Why is it ignorant? Because it took me no effort to list multiple common sense and logical solutions that have been preached within and outside of reddit. In otherwords, it was unnecessary because the answer should be obvious. Your intent was clear as you phrased your question in a debate/persuasive format; "and your solution is...?" As opposed to "What would the solution be?".

Honestly, I think this sub is making people irrationally paranoid of the troubles men face. Certainly, bias against men is real, and is getting worse currently. But irrational fear and psychological projection do nothing to help men's situation out.

How so? Granted, fear mongering is ever so present in the modern day with such easy access to information, however, this post isn't to subjugate or spread paranoia. It's to bring awareness of injustice and bias. The post isnt a warning nor a movement, its strictly a highlight of the presence of social unfairness.

[–]visicircle 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Tl;dr

All you needed to write was, "I apologize if i was being rude."

Are you capable of that?

[–]ABeeBox 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

And addressing the rest of the comment?

[–]visicircle 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I guess not.

Best of luck to you.

[–]barnagotte -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Monogamy is a joke.

[–]SuperStateSamBamCam 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't read the article but I'm surprised it wasn't the husband's fault 😂

[–]Frosty-Gate-8094 121 points122 points123 points 4 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link

Actually there is a physiological basis for that..

Women's pair bonding is mediated by oxytocin.. Which is a short-acting hormone..
Men's pair bonding is mediated by vasopressin.

It takes longer for vasopressin mediated bonding take full effect. Whereas for oxytocin, even one sexual encounter is enough to trigger emotional bonding.

https://www.abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/Healthday/story%3fid=5703831&page=1

Moreover, men release more of dopamin (pleasure hormone) during orgasm than oxytocin (bonding hormone), for women its about 50-50 ratio for both.

This also explains why women do not enjoy casual sexual encounters as much as men do. (They blame it on lack of orgasms, but the real reason is inside the brain. After all, the brain is the biggest sexual organ in our body)

Effect of oxytocin wears-off after ~2 years (honeymoon period).. That of vasopressin stays longer.
The reason oxytocin effect wears-off is because it was originally meant for maternal bonding in mammals. We humans have evolved to use it for pair-bonding.

[–]Braioch 80 points81 points82 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That...would also explain why men seem to suffer pretty hard after the end of a long term relationship compared to women.

Not that women don't ofc, but there's enough of a difference that I still occasionally see memes over it.

[–]kunjapee 39 points40 points41 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, this makes sense. I usually am friends with a couple and when they break up, I usually have the privilege of getting both sides of the story. And almost always what a woman describes as "amicable breakup" is an extremely depressing and life hating break up for the guy. The women take it hard too but they're fine in a month or two. The guy usually takes 4 to 6 months to get over it.

Obviously, I can't speak for all men and women out there, but as you said, its an interesting pattern

[–]TendieDinner777 27 points28 points29 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I appreciate the explanation. I generally understood those dynamics to be true, even without knowing the underlying causes.

I feel like nature just does what it needs to “trick” us into finding a mate and reproducing.

I’m not sure if it’s better knowing that we’re essentially biological robots of sorts, but I like knowing the truth even if it takes away from the romance of it all.

[–]upsidedownbackwards 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I feel like nature just does what it needs to “trick” us into finding a mate and reproducing.

That's the tingles/butterflies/whatever. When I get them I know to be super wary because there's a good chance they're pressuring me to do something dumb. Tingles are a blast of hormones so our brains can make us forget their imperfections long enough to mate. They exist to make us stupid!

That's why it's so cringey that women chase the tingles. Those are not pushing us to make good decisions in any way. If you are a slave to the tingles, you are a slave to the stupid. They are not our friend in modern day culture.

[–]TendieDinner777 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don’t think the tingles preclude that direction from also being a good choice, but I get your point. I always laugh (because it’s true) at the studies that show men have a lower IQ when interacting with attractive women and such.

[–]upsidedownbackwards 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It could be a good choice, but the chances of me going about it stupider are higher with the tingles. They don't have any chill if they run loose. They have to be enjoyed responsibly.

[–]Kryptus 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

But after 2 years a new partner just restarts the oxytocin clock or something?

[–]Frosty-Gate-8094 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The 2 year period is approximate.
Its generally the period where baby requires primary maternal care.
After that weaning-off starts. (And before birth control, usually it used to be the time for arrival of the next baby).

So, mother needs to focus her attention on next baby. That's why it wears off.

Humans hijacked that mechanism because pair bonding has evolutionary advantage (in humans.).
But it has this flipside.

Men do not have a maternal instinct. So, men evolved a different pathway for pair bonding...

Evolution doesn't care what path you use to achieve a goal. (Wings have evolved in different species with different mechanisms. But they all work with same physics principles)..
That's called convergent evolution.

[–]SereneGoldfish 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No, men have no maternal instinct, but I've seen lots of awesome dads with paternal instincts out of this world

[–]Frosty-Gate-8094 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This mechanism is there in all mammals.
Males in no other mammals assume any significant (if at all) parental roles..
So, it specifically evolved in female mammals. Males (of other species) didn't need such hormonal pathways.

Humans just hijacked it for our benefit.

Men didn't have an established pathway like women, so men evolved alternative pathways..

Father taking parental responsibility was an important factor for survival of our species..(at least at some point)...
So we evolved that feature.. The end result matters, evolution doesn't care for the path taken to achieve a goal.

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I had a stronger paternal nature than my ex wife's maternal nature. There is a wide variation among the sexes in nurturing instincts.

[–]Wheream_I 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Young adults in couple (pair-bond) relationships reported on the positive and negative aspects of their relationships and had blood drawn and assayed for oxytocin and vasopressin. Elevated plasma oxytocin was associated with distress in the pair-bond relationship for women, but not for men. Vasopressin, which is closely related to oxytocin in molecular structure and significantly related to male pair-bond behavior in animal studies, was elevated in men experiencing distress in the pair-bond relationship, but not in women. Controlling for estradiol and testosterone did not alter these findings. We conclude that plasma oxytocin in women and plasma vasopressin in men may be biomarkers of distressed pair-bond relationships.

Are you sure this is all pair bonding? Seems to only be during relationship troubles

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20424014/#:~:text=Vasopressin%2C%20which%20is%20closely%20related,did%20not%20alter%20these%20findings.

[–]3point33 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its nice to see oxytocin described as a bonding hormone again.

As for me, I'm still lucky to get orgasms and oxytocin goes BANG during those and they have always bonded me to my partner to the point where "i feel more in love" afterwards.

[–]pargofan 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

So, what's the answer to driving more sexual interest in women? Or is the issue hopeless?

[–]Frosty-Gate-8094 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That's the nature vs nurture paradox..

Its still a debate whether humans are monogamous species or our monogamy is 'socially enforced'..

The rampant cheating and promiscuity in modern world points towards the latter.
Studies like above, points towards the former..

My take is that, its a combination of both..
Humans are not obligatory monogamous. Our monogamy is usually limited to childcare. So it makes sense for 2-5 years..

Once kids are independent the man and woman have more advantage by moving on and seeking new partners..

That's why I say that institution of marriage is fundamentally broken.
Its unfair to expect people to stay together for life, when our biological imperatives are limited.

The issue gets further complicated due to financial obligations like property sharing, alimony and CS. The cost of which is often borne by men.

If we don't enforce it by law, people will walk in and out of relationships and raise kids. But if you put all the financial costs on one gender, that's when fracture lines start appearing.

In this fight between nurture and nature, nature always wins..
The survival of our species may come down to one fundamental question of evolution..

Is love stronger than fear?

My take is that fear is the strongest human emotion. (Not love).. If men are scared to get married, they will avoid marriage. Even if they are in love.

That's what is happening today. We are still blaming men. While mother nature, is having a good laugh at us.
Coz, only she will have the final say.

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The marriage rate is near the lowest on record.

[–]Frosty-Gate-8094 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/2020-04-29/us-marriage-rate-drops-to-record-low%3fcontext=amp

The marriage rate isn't near the lowest. It is the lowest it has ever been.

Note that this study was done in 2019-20, before the pandemic struck..
The present rates will be even lower.

[–]Hairy-Commercial1528 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hopeless

[–]Kryptus 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Being a hotter man than they are a woman helps. When they get off on other girls checking you out it helps. Basically being too good for them in their own opinion.

Some girls are insecure about their safety and really get off on being with a big tough guy. This is more prevalent in more dangerous countries.

There is the money angle, but I feel that is different than pure sexual interest.

[–]jamesdanton 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope, been there. She wasn't ugly by any stretch but she drove herself crazy(er) thinking she wasn't good enough when she really was. She was my dream girl. She was my gem.

She had been badly abused by her mother, though and as time went on she simply became more and more unstable. I miss who she was, terribly and I don't think I'll ever have a connection like that again.

Women are just a problem that has no solution in the modern world because of the way that it has put women in charge of women and supports women's bad decisions, artificially.

[–]gdh2019 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm gonna call BS on that. I.e. the idea that a hormone stays or wears off after a period of years.

[–]bulletkiller06 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Interesting, but don't men also produce oxytocin from intamcy?

[–]Frosty-Gate-8094 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Significantly less than women.. About 25%..

Moreover, the ratio of dopamine:oxytocin in men is 80:20.. Whereas women it 50:50. (Released during orgasm)...

That's why men perceive sex as a rewards, while women need a emotional connection as well.

This applies to promiscuous women too. Many of them try multiple partners, and end up unsatisfied. That's why you see lot of older feminists complaining about being 'used' even though they were the ones persuing casual sex.

[–]bulletkiller06 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I know alot of guys that see sex as an emotional connection... Actually isn't that one of the main points of sex? To build conpananship and bond with a partner so you have someone to have your back?

Many of them try multiple partners, and end up unsatisfied. That's why you see lot of older feminists complaining about being 'used' even though they were the ones persuing casual sex.

Also thanks a bit of a generalization isn't it, I've never heard of that being a common problem, I'm beginning to suspect you might be twisting your limited knowledge of a subject to better suit your world veiw...

[–]Frosty-Gate-8094 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Individual variations exists..
Our primate ancestors weren't monogamous, but some individuals evolved monogamy.

Those people were simply 'selected for' by nature. Because monogamy has advantage in humans..

Individual variations exist in all species.
Evolution doesn't dictate characteristics. It only selects for the most appropriate characteristics. (Prevalent in population).

Some guys needing emotional connection and some girls enjoying casual sex, is expected in any population. Its determined by the 'Bell's Curve'.

This applies for all characteristics. Height, weight, intelligence, etc..

Just because you met a tall woman and a short man, doesn't change the fact that men on average are taller than women.
Men are taller than women is a biological FACT. But that doesn't mean tall women and short men dont exist.

[–]Wilddog73 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

After all, the brain is the biggest sexual organ in our body

Usually.

[–]TheRiverInEgypt 36 points37 points38 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The husband’s sexual desire was irrelevant to anybody’s marital happiness.

In my experience being a husband is about the fastest path to becoming entirely irrelevant.

[–]jamesdanton 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is so true. And if you don't want to become irrelevant you CAN NOT BE MARRIED, long term.

This society has created an evolutionary dead end.

[–]binkerfluid 29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"yes, but can we blame this on men somehow...?"

"We can say the men got lazy and fat and took the women for granted!"

[–]CruisingandBoozing 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I get your point, but I think that “blaming” is the kind of thing you want to avoid in a marriage that needs work.

It’s like constructive criticism vs insulting. One is actually going to help, the other is just trying to make you feel better.

[–]TendieDinner777 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You start by identifying an issue and work from there. It seems like the article and people in general are hesitant to exclusively even pin that on someone when that person is a woman.

[–]CruisingandBoozing 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not entirely disagreeing honestly. I just think you should be careful about "pinning blame."

[–]TodTheRod01 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly!!

Like just cuz thats what happens doesnt mean women shouldnt try to find a work around that...

There like meh thats just how i am to bad...

[–]bulletkiller06 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Ok, but it's the latter that's the slight agaist men not the former.

Relationship is about understanding and compromise, not forcing your partner to make you happy and stay on your terms.

[–]TendieDinner777 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

The solution isn’t compromise, it’s ending the relationship if sex is important to him.

Women have no qualms about leaving men who lose their job. “It was his end of the bargain, etc.”

[–]bulletkiller06 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I mean, then it's really not much of a relationship, and one should admit that sex is the primary cause of being together.

[–]TendieDinner777 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

We do just about everything else with friends. One is correct to presume that sex is a primary distinction of a romantic relationship…

This would strike you as odd, would it not?:

“I was having sex with Sally last night…”

“You mean Susan, your wife?”

“No, she’s just my wife. We don’t have sex. I have sex with my friend Susan.”

[–]bulletkiller06 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

No dude, sex is one variablly sized part of a relationship, it's typically lesser than intamcy and security, you should not assume people think that it's a large part of the relationship. You should tell them early before it becomes a problem.

[–]TendieDinner777 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Intimacy and security are important as well, but to pretend as though one isn’t justified in expecting to have sex with their wife, usually the only person she would allow you to have sex with, lest she divorce you, is delusional.

[–]bulletkiller06 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No dude, you should expect nothing not directly stated and even then change and middle ground compromise must be afforded.

[–]TendieDinner777 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That’s basically saying he should negotiate with her to have sex when she doesn’t want to. If she wanted to have sex more than she currently allows, then she would have already.

[–]bulletkiller06 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, it's clearly defining what you want and expect from a relationship before you get into it so that you don't end up in that position, and also having a decent bit of understanding (also don't pester partners for sex, and sure as hell don't demand them)

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[–]SandmanOrpheus 89 points90 points91 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I left my first wife at 20 years because she totally shut me off. I've heard a lot of older women try to justify it and think that we as men just have to accept it. If she doesn't want to and you do, and there is no agreement, then you leave and find someone who's desires align with yours. A lot of women seem to think that we as men should just accept this. No, if both parties aren't happy, there is no sense in being in a marriage.

[–]ABeeBox 30 points31 points32 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

r/Dating_Advice is a roller coaster for this type of shit.

If a guy has sexual issues considering his wife, and he gets blasted for being a pig and pushy and how they should just break up because "she deserves better".

If a girl has sexual issues considering her husband, she gets supported and told "Just dump him if he doesn't change, you deserve better!".

[–]SandmanOrpheus 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The thing is, the generations before created these monsters. They all grew up with their daddy's & mommy's telling them that they were Disney princesses. Now they've all grown up and think that they are "Queens". The thing is, very few, if any of them are worthy of the title of "Queen". What exactly are they bringing to the table in a relationship? That's what you have to ask yourself. I got married for companionship. Anything else, money, housework, physical needs, I can supply myself, so if a companion/wife is not supplying that one specific need, then why are you supporting her? Send her to the curb and find someone else who supplies that need. If you're supplying her needs, she best be supplying yours. Never be afraid to say goodbye, no matter what age you are or how long you have been together. If you're not happy, life is too short wasting your time supplying someone else's happiness and neglecting your own.

[–]B1G_Fan 94 points95 points96 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Yep.

I'm in my 30s. I can't speak for what it's like as a husband since I'm a lifelong bachelor.

But, 10 years ago, when my mom wanted to leave my dad to go live with her best female friend from high school, my mom clearly wanted to escape my dad. My dad's not a bad guy, but putting up with a wife left the labor force years ago because she couldn't get along with her coworkers is exhausting.

When my mom's friend informed my mom that no escape route was being offered, my mom started asking what she could do to make things better.

TLDR: Most women are only as loyal as their options.

[–]CentralAdmin 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

When my mom's friend informed my mom that no escape route was being offered,

Did the friend change her mind or did your mom not inform her of her intention to move in?

[–]B1G_Fan 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Mom didn’t inform her friend of her intention

[–]upsidedownbackwards 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Kinda sounds like a weird version of monkey branching.

[–]B1G_Fan 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Granted, my dad isn’t perfect either.

As relatively successful as I have been in my career, my brother has been a disappointment

He had an expensive private school high school education, paid out of state tuition to an expensive university, went to an expensive graduate school, and has very little in professional prospects to show for it

My brother and parents could easily fill a chapter of Aaron Clarey’s book “How not to be a millennial”

In addition, my dad disapproved of the choice of girlfriend of my brother, saying she was fat and ugly. Granted, he was correct in saying my brother’s girlfriend was fat and ugly

But, being angry at boys and men for not manning up when society doesn’t give a rat’s behind about motivating boys and men to be their best isn’t exactly a useful exercise

It’s gotten a little better since my dad has finally wised up to the terrible deal that being a responsible man in today’s society has become.

And, as my mom’s health issues have mounted, she’s developed an appreciation for a man to help her through the aging process

But, there’s no question that all of these trends don’t bode well for society

[–]SodyPops17 61 points62 points63 points 4 years ago (62 children) | Copy Link

It sounds like they just need a reminder that you don't need them. Once they get it, seems like they catch a sniff of what we call "ackrite" (act right).

[–]alclarkey 50 points51 points52 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It sounds like they just need a reminder that you don't need them.

I would more characterize it as a reminder that they can lose you. I don't really relish living in a world where spouses don't need each other.

[–]jamesdanton 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed but society has been aligned so this is more true than ever. Even if the woman is a complete fuck up they can still get by and are helped and supported. This is if she HASN'T divorce raped the guy.

[–]SodyPops17 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok thats a fair point.

[+]Ok_Stress_4977 -20 points-19 points-18 points 4 years ago (58 children) | Copy Link

??????? You know they can say no???? They’re not required to have sex with you???

[–]CentralAdmin 34 points35 points36 points 4 years ago (44 children) | Copy Link

If all he hears is no then it isn't a marriage. And he is not required to provide for her, protect her and be loyal to her.

Maybe marriage is different where you come from but loving your partner and having sex with them is part of the deal.

These aren't guys who are pestering their wives for sex 3 times a day. They have gone months or years without it. You seem to think she is saying no now and then but this is a perpetual no with maybe maintenance sex sprinkled in here and there. That is not love.

[+]Ok_Stress_4977 -21 points-20 points-19 points 4 years ago (43 children) | Copy Link

Not everyone likes sex. It hurts, it’s uncomfortable, emotionally exhausting, I personally hate peoples seeing me naked and that’s uncomfortable

[–]DaftV 29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago (31 children) | Copy Link

Ok, in this case if every woman were like you, humans would have died off long ago. What are you even trying to prove by saying that? The only thing you're saying is that you are incapable of realising there are billions other people around with vastly different experiences than yours.

[+]Ok_Stress_4977 -12 points-11 points-10 points 4 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link

Nope. False insemination.

[–]Chincheese1010 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link

False babies

[–]DaftV 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lmao i imagined Dwight Schrute saying that.

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link

? Sperm medically injected into woman.

[–]DaftV 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link

And where would you procure said sperm?

[–]Kryptus 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Get in better shape then.

[–]SodyPops17 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Says every woman until they see a dude they're attracted to. Suddenly all those 'problems' magically disappear. We're not buying it.

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m attracted to my boyfriend. I would love to do more. It hurts though:)

[–]JoocyJ 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Ok so you need to be with someone who also doesn’t like sex. You can’t just stop having sex with your partner and expect them to be ok with that. Yes, of course you can say no but that’s eventually going to end the marriage in most cases.

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

It was his idea. I was going to ignore it because I always have. He sees me looking uncomfortable, he says let’s stop. Good thing I found a decent man.

[–]JoocyJ 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Wanting out of a relationship because a man wants something you cannot provide does not make a man “indecent.” I’m glad you found someone who’s ok with what you want but you seem to have a weird contempt for male sexual desire. Like it or not, it’s an integral part of being human for most people, male or female, and it shows some immaturity that you’re shaming people for wanting it.

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Because the biggest concern here is women not wanting sec

[–]JoocyJ 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Are you saying that sexual compatibility in a relationship/marriage shouldn’t be a concern?

[–]Phantombiceps 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Your spouse of whatever gender is required to have sex with you. (unless there was some rare agreement going into the marriage -or there is another special cause). That doesn’t mean it is ok force to him/her -that is rape. But he/she is definitely trespassing a taboo and wronging you. Not having sex with your spouse + not working on changing that, essentially = infidelity.

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

There is no contract for sex.

[–]SodyPops17 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

If you want to go find the love of your life without ever having sexual interactions then good luck to you I guess LOL

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Did I say I never want to? I said I don’t do it often because it hurts. That’s not never. He’s fine with it. If he wasn’t okay, he would tell me he has to leave.

[–]SodyPops17 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol you're in for a rude awakening

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Am I? Why’s that?

[–]Phantombiceps 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What does that even mean? One of the obligations of marriage is sex. Call it one of a cultural, social, romantic, personal or religious, (and yes in some places even a legal) nature. It is a given that coercion is not a remedy, but certainly most people agree that you would be right to permanently leave your spouse if they never have sex with you. A spouse has obligations, sex is typically one of them. It is a human need. Everyone knows this.

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Marrying someone does not give you rights to their body. You do not count how often you get sex or complain about it. She is not required to give it to you. Get divorced if you’re concerned.

[–]Phantombiceps 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She? Gender doesn’t matter. Your spouse owes you their body . Wtf do you think love is? The difference between this obligation and actual servitude and the use of coercion was understood long ago.

Don’t marry someone if they don’t commit to you or you don’t commit to them. This isn’t a date or a romantic friend. It is who you will be buried with. Literally the only person you owe your body to.

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re all men and referring to them as wives

[–]SodyPops17 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Men can leave relationships whenever they want sweetie.

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe they should!

[–]B1G_Fan 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If women are going to run around saying “my body, my choice”

Men are being perfectly reasonable when they say “my money, my choice”

Which means alimony, child support, most of welfare, and most public services are going bye-bye

[–]Frog_Force_five 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Tell her that you are still relatively young and that you are not through having sex. It's up to her if she wants to be there for it or not.

[–]Normal-Yogurtcloset5 69 points70 points71 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

That five year mark is interesting. I’ve heard it said that 50% of marriages end in divorce within five years. If there aren’t children involved it would be smart for men to cut and run in order to find another woman who’s willing to have a sex life. It makes no sense to have a celibate marriage.

[–]B1G_Fan 44 points45 points46 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

It especially makes no sense to get married if you're a single dude in his 30s.

One of the commenters on Dalrock's blog said it best:

"An interesting thing to consider here is that, as women stride into their thirties, not only do they become less attractive in terms of their “youth and fertility”, but they also become less attractive in terms of their actual usefulness to a man.

When a young man turns 18, the world is a harsh and foreign place for him. He has no accumulated wealth, no prior experience living out in the world or working for a living, and so on.

Perhaps he could get himself a helpful young wife and then look around and say to himself: “Do you see all these other young men? These chumps? Doing their own laundry, cooking their own meals, coping with the ups and downs of life all on their own – all of this time they’re forced to waste just taking care of themselves, and with nothing to work towards either. Me, I have my wife; she kindly takes care of all the menial parts of home life for me, which lets me focus on being strong, well-rested and damn good at what I do in the service of my family. You see? I’m the smart one.”

But today that young man’s wife isn’t actually by his side helping him out, instead she’s roaring through her twenties out on the carousel. So in the mean time, the young man has to drop down to join the rest of the chumps in living an inefficient, non-optimised life without the aid of a wife.

So he goes through his twenties fending for himself, eventually finding wealth and success by his thirties – he now fits the provider mold. However, the idea of a helpful wife is now less appealing than ever before:

Why on earth would he desire a wife to help him when he’s already found success for himself in life? It’d be like hiring a sherpa to help you climb Mt. Everest when you’ve already reached the summit.

But if a wife no longer has much value as a helper at 30, then what becomes her primary area of usefulness in the man’s eyes? Sex and kids.

And if the man either doesn’t want kids or doesn’t feel able to have them (economy/laws) – which is likely if he’s rummaging through the bargain bin of 30-something women to begin with – then the only primary area of usefulness a woman offers is sex.

And if you’re at that point, then it would behoove you to break out the note paper and actually determine whether a wife is the most economical sexual outlet as compared to a personally-owned sexbot, or a rented brothel sexbot, or VR porn, or any of these other sexual alternatives (which includes forever-girlfriends and casual sex).

If life has passed you by, you don’t really care anymore and all you want at this point is easy sex then it’s all simply a matter of dollars-to-orgasms, orgasms-to-time-spent-nagging – and while sexbots come out very well on that evaluation, modern 30-something women do not. "

[–]holalesamigos 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

You are right but i don't think we should say all women are like this. There are plenty of women working hard in their careers in their 20s and some even supporting their husband to become successful

[–]B1G_Fan 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Am I going to tell you that it’s impossible for women (and single men) to be just as productive as married men?

No

But, remember, we have a married men vs everyone else…

Pay gap Net taxpayer gap Productivity gap

So, when women get money in their pockets, but they aren’t producing goods and services at the same rate a married man is…

The demand for goods and services increases while the economy’s ability to supply goods and services remains flat

Which in turn causes inflation

To say nothing of what happens to the economy when women become highly unproductive HR drones who interfere with the economy’s ability to provide goods and services by fretting about “microaggressions” or some other BS like that

To say nothing of what happens to the economy when middle school and high school boys slack off in their studies when look at how women aren’t going to give marriageable men the time of day for another decade

[–]WhereProgressIsMade 24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The trouble with career women (the 60+ hrs / wk kinds of career) is usually the husband drops to the bottom of her priory list and she rarely has any energy left for him.

[–]mcPetersonUK 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The most hard working women I know are single or single with kids. They work hard because often because there is no stable man doing it for them. There are some married unicorns who work hard, share money, resources and have great outcomes but not a common sight.

[–]Effective-Walrus1157 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Among my friend groups and family it's pretty much all couples, both with careers and splitting household responsibilities.

Whenever I hear about all of these lazy women I have to wonder why the hell I haven't seemed to meet any when they're supposedly the norm.

[–]mcPetersonUK 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe groups of friends and families reflect each other and follow their behavior? Or the area you live in is so expensive both parties working is the only way to live in comfort? No idea.

[–]63daddy 129 points130 points131 points 4 years ago (47 children) | Copy Link

Having a lower desire is what allows someone yo use that thing as leverage. Most guys I know who have a lower desire to sleep with their wives don’t have less desire for sex, it’s just the cost has gotten too high.

It’s one reason we see married men turning to prostitutes and the growth of men getting sugar babies. Obviously such men want sex, its just not worth it with their wives. Other men just go without.

[–]Astrum91 33 points34 points35 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It seems like everything you just said is also a symptom of losing the ability to just walk away by getting married. All the leveraging only matters when you're hostage to the relationship.

[–]fedarmy 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Legally speaking you are a hostage. If you live in a state with discriminatory divorce laws. California for example. Divorce will cost you dearly if you are male. You are conditioned to just tow the line for fear of being financially ruined.

[–]rdcngl 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So they basically married just for sex?

[–]upsidedownbackwards -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The physical relationship is just as important as the mental part. Shut down one of them and the other is bearing more of the load. If both sides of the relationship are okay with it, things are fine. If people just want to be fuckbuddies they'll be good. If they are both okay without intimacy, that's fine. But if people aren't on the same page about things someone is getting hurt.

[+]holalesamigos -22 points-21 points-20 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It's been proven that women are often unhappy in relationships than men are. After 5 years, people tend to stop putting in effort. In general, women need much more emotional needs for sex while men sometimes can just do it.

Sometimes, they may stop spending time together, stop going on dates and showing affection, that often causes a lack of interest in sex from women. Sometimes when the women are also doing all the work in the house with the man just sitting around watching TV, even then they lose interest in sex cause they're stressed and tired.

[–]calmly86 35 points36 points37 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s funny how within the normal heterosexual relationships in which the man is the breadwinner or primary earner, HE isn’t allowed to lapse on HIS end of the marriage.

The man can’t suddenly say he doesn’t feel like keeping a roof over their heads or food on the table.

Can you imagine if he could do that, but just felt like he wanted to hand those resources off to another woman who he really connected with? I mean, he didn’t want to shelter and feed his own wife and kids, but rather, someone else?

[–]Kryptus 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've actually gotten a girl to understand that concept once in am argument. I straight up said I get unhappy when we go without sex for a while. She started making excuses as expected. I told her those were good excuses, but it doesnt matter. You having a good reason to not fuck me doesnt change how my brain reacts. I then told her what if I stopped paying the bills, but I had a really good reason. You're life would still be fucked up right? The reason doesn't matter. And she actually understood.

[–]therevaj 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

with the man just sitting around watching TV,

lol, reverse uno, GO!

[+]Ok_Stress_4977 -31 points-30 points-29 points 4 years ago (38 children) | Copy Link

You know…. Women can say no? Sex is not a requirement? Men are turning to prostitution because they’re desperate and have no respect for their wives. Get a fucking divorce if you’re that needy.

[–]CentralAdmin 43 points44 points45 points 4 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

You know…. Women can say no? Sex is not a requirement?

Sex is a requirement in a marriage. You are living with a roommate if you aren't having sex. Sex brings intimacy and excitement. It brings pleasure and joy. It lets couples experiment with what feels good.

Take that away and you have a cuddle buddy at best, an unemotional roommate who will co-sign loans for you at worst.

If you are okay with a sexless marriage you should have no problem with your partner finding sex elsewhere. Sex is part of the deal of marriage otherwise we wouldn't divorce due to infidelity.

Men are turning to prostitution because they’re desperate and have no respect for their wives.

Wives do not respect their husbands' needs but go on and on about men not doing enough for them. Then they are shocked when their husbands are banging hookers on the side. If she wants him to respect her she needs to respect him too.

Get a fucking divorce if you’re that needy.

I agree. But many men are years into the marriage with kids. They are in a position where the woman they are still in love with and desire does not desire them in return. They are rejected repeatedly and this destroys their self esteem. They feel unloved.

Calling it "needy" really trivialises a soul-crushing experience. Go to r/DeadBedrooms and see the pain men and women experience due to a lack of sexual intimacy. People say sex is not a need, but neither is a brick house, a car or hot water. The lack of attention to their desires does affect their happiness. People are not robots. They have feelings and one of those is being desired by the person they married.

Years go by and you have to choose between being intimately connected with someone else to experience the kind of love you used to have or were promised, and the stability you have created for your family. Do you destroy your family to feel something or do you accept sexual starvation and loneliness in your marriage? Or, do you quietly do something on the side and at least get some part of your needs met?

[–]SuperStateSamBamCam 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

People say sex is not a need

This is my favorite line because it's so easy to tear apart, as you did very well in your comment.

[+]Ok_Stress_4977 -25 points-24 points-23 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

Consent is a thing actually!! Sex is painful sometimes for women, often emotionally exhausting, and sometimes messes with your hormones. Sometimes, I consider just not having sex because it hurts all the time but I worry about things like this. Teach your daughters it’s okay to say no.

[–]SuperStateSamBamCam 33 points34 points35 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

This is tiring. Yes, a woman is allowed to say no. We're aware. Please save that condescension for people who can't see through it.

[+]Ok_Stress_4977 -14 points-13 points-12 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You’re really not sounding like you’re okay with it.

[–]SuperStateSamBamCam 24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

That's because you're really intent on not listening.

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

No that’s because the problem here is that your wife won’t have sec with you

[–]SuperStateSamBamCam 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Did I say my wife won't have sex with me? Go away, troll.

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That’s what I’m getting from this. What did you mean exactly then?

[–]CentralAdmin 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Consent is a thing actually!!

No one is arguing consent isn't a thing. They are not advocating for marital rape. But denying your partner sex isn't healthy for the relationship either.

Sex is painful sometimes for women, often emotionally exhausting, and sometimes messes with your hormones.

This is all understandable. But when sex vanishes after 5 years and it becomes non existent, you cannot claim it is emotionally exhausting and painful. Men do most of the work for sex anyway, starting from seduction to the actual physical act. It is exhausting for men too but they desire their partners and are willing to do whatever it takes.

The excuses can only last for so long before you have to ask if she desires her partner or is even attracted to him anymore.

Sometimes, I consider just not having sex because it hurts all the time but I worry about things like this.

Go see a doctor. Sex shouldn't hurt all the time.

Teach your daughters it’s okay to say no.

While this is generally good advice it is not what is being discussed.

It's that a woman's libido disappears after a few years of marriage. Women go off sex leaving husbands who wonder if they are still desired. These men are caught in a sexless, loveless marriage. These sex starved men need an outlet and cheat as a means to get some semblance of a sex life back.

Is it reasonable to deny your husband sex for months or years and expect him to be okay with it? Should a man be willing to give up sex because his wife says she has had enough? What does he do if they have children?

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Sexless does not equal loveless. Some people date for years and wait for marriage.

[–]CentralAdmin 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Is a sexless marriage something anyone should aspire to?

Is a sexless marriage happily sustainable?

Should a partner be able to seek sex outside of the marriage if, as you say, there is still love but no sex?

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Did I say sexless,

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I have seen a doctor, think that didn’t occur to me? There’s a long list of reasons that literally have no solution. Sometimes it’s bearable, sometimes it’s not, I also have some trauma because I had a cyst explode during once and that’s wasn’t great so I avoid it

[–]CentralAdmin 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you saying your partner should be okay with feeling undesired, sexless and potentially have less intimacy because you believe there is no solution?

Would you be willing to let them find sex elsewhere if you cannot provide it?

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No because me not wanting sex doesn’t mean it’s okay to cheat. If it was the opposite, I wouldn’t have a problem.

[–]ABeeBox 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Then explain why women cheat?

Infidelity perpetrated by women is increasing.

https://www.bustle.com/p/millennial-women-are-cheating-more-than-millennial-men-a-new-survey-finds-7873841

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fatherly.com/health-science/do-men-cheat-more-than-women-infidelity-data/amp/

https://haywoodhunt.ca/infidelity-statistics-for-2020-do-women-or-men-cheat-more/

The average age of which men lose their virginity has Increased while women have stayed relatively the same. What about that?

Those two things contradict everything you just said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.joe.ie/amp/life-style/amount-men-30-not-sex-nearly-tripled-past-decade-663846

A lot of sexual and domestic abuse towards men by women goes unreported due to societal pressures for being shamed or seen as weak, gay or weird.

https://www.rainn.org/articles/sexual-assault-men-and-boys

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=sexual+abuse+against+men+unreported&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DpHscJflHDEUJ

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Typically because they feel unloved.

[–]ABeeBox 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Men can't feel unloved?

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Yep they can. Did I say they can’t

[–]ABeeBox 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You had previously stated that men turn to prostitution out of desperation and lack of respect or their wives.

It seems like you've argued your own argument.

Whats worse? An emotionless affair with someone you don't know, or an emotional affair with a family friend?

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Someone else said they do and I gave a reason.

[–]ABeeBox 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Whats worse? An emotionless affair with someone you don't know, or an emotional affair with a family friend?

An emotional affair with sexual aspects is far worse than an emotionless affair with sexual aspects? Would you agree?

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I don’t think any affairs are good lol

[+]rdcngl -16 points-15 points-14 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

You're the only sensible person I've seen on here

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Me? Lol

[+]rdcngl -21 points-20 points-19 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yess, going off at all disgusting men who think they're marrying a sex machine

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you so much.

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I have never been so disgusted with people

[–]defeater_of_bigotry_ 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's because you're a disgusting person who can't handle living in a world where you don't always get your way. So you being disgusted should be taken as a sign that we're on the right track. :)

[+]rdcngl -16 points-15 points-14 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Now we just await their downvotes because they can't handle the truth

Y'all cry about it because you know you're wrong

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m fine with that.

[–]AndyBrown65 172 points173 points174 points 4 years ago (122 children) | Copy Link

To a certain degree the female has achieved her goal. She has entrapped a male to provide for her and protect her, especially when she has kids. She no longer has to be flexible or nice. Deep down she knows she cannot lose if the union fails. If she has kids she is guaranteed an income stream until the youngest is 18, and she is guaranteed at least 50% of assets. Sex drive drops unconsciously (at the least)

[–]63daddy 97 points98 points99 points 4 years ago (72 children) | Copy Link

Yep. The study doesn’t define or say how they defined “desire”. Funny how women desire sex when they want to convince a guy to marry her and when she wants to have kids. Desires aren’t just our hormones talking but can be due to agenda as well.

I don’t think it’s the hormones that magically change when marriage occurs, it’s that the motivation has changed.

[–]ABBucsfan 62 points63 points64 points 4 years ago (69 children) | Copy Link

Yeah the moment mine got thr final positive pregnant test boom.. never even saw her naked after that. Her agenda was extremely clear. Then you look back and realize she was always on her best behaviour when she wanted to move to a bigger house or wanted a kid. Onfe she got any of those things her behaviour always declined immediately after. Jist rdint realize it til later. I was a sperm donor and slave

[+]Ok_Stress_4977 -51 points-50 points-49 points 4 years ago (66 children) | Copy Link

A lot changes after you have a baby? Insecurity, mental health, exhaustion. Shut the fuck up. Try pushing a fucking baby out of you and then all your husband expects is sex when she finishes keeping your kid alive.

[–]ABBucsfan 33 points34 points35 points 4 years ago (45 children) | Copy Link

Dude this was before she even had the baby. It was literally the moment she found out she was pregnant. Legs closed, don't even want you to see me get changed. And I patiently waited years and basically acted disgusted when I tried being affectionate. She got what she wanted and was done with me.

Don't make excuses for someone that clearly was very calculating. Don't tell me I don't have a right to be mad that she checked out of the marriage the moment she found out she was pregnant again. I can't be expected to just be happy with being used as a sperm donor one last time..

[+]Ok_Stress_4977 -19 points-18 points-17 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

AND YOUR CHILDREN ARE NOT A SPERM DONATION. Get a vasectomy if you think that’s all they are. They’re your kids too, act like it. Help her out a bit.

[–]ABBucsfan 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I didn't say my kids were. God nobody knows how to actually read context anymore do they? Basic skill they don't teach in school. I said to her I was a sperm donor! For your information I did everything for my kids when they were born. I was the one always getting up in the night to feed them, j did most of the changing. Yeah she was tired after birth, but she did very little for weeks.

It was to the point where my father didn't even want to come when our second was being born. He said my mother should go but he'd get pissed seeing her jjst lie there with her laptop and tell me what to do. He said he'd end up saying something he'd regret.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're trying to have a rational discussion with a mentally ill person. This isn't a good use of your time

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

“Being used as a sperm donor”

[–]ABBucsfan 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes because that's what she used me as. Doesn't mean I'm not happy to have kids. She never planned to keep me around

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

It takes over 6 weeks to recover

[–]ABBucsfan 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

It wasn't just the weeks after. Everytime I'd get home form work it was.. I'm tried I'm going upstairs, your turn. Even when they were going to preschool a couple days a week or more while she stayed home

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Is she home with them all day?

[+]Ok_Stress_4977 -24 points-23 points-22 points 4 years ago (31 children) | Copy Link

Pregnancy is hard. Have you ever had a fucking watermelon strapped to your stomach? There’s pain, nausea, discomfort, depression, exhaustion, fear. A lot of work goes into that. It’s not that easy to just open up when you don’t feel attractive.

[–]ABBucsfan 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Dude they don't get any of those things until they've been pregnant for a while. I'm not a. Idiot. It's not a coincidence that the moment she found out she was pregnant she never let me touch her even the day after. She said some pretty nasty things even before when I expressed my doubts about a second child that I didn't want to believe..thinfs like having a second kid whether it was with me or she had to find someone else... It was very hard to hear but she blurted a lot of crap out, had no impulse control. She was on her best behaviour for a while after that Nd convinced me she was really trying. To the point I even felt sympathy about how important it was and her being emotional about it. That stopped the moment she got pregnant. For all the crap she said when she was angry she literally only cared about having that second kid.

[+]Ok_Stress_4977 -8 points-7 points-6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

My symptoms started at 5 weeks actually. I felt all of it intensely until I lost the baby. Sometimes those babies are the only things that make them happy.

[–]ABBucsfan 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ah you have my sympathies. Must be extremely hard losing a child.

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It was.

[–]defeater_of_bigotry_ 33 points34 points35 points 4 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

Women have one slightly hard thing they have to deal with once in their lives (that its 100% their own choice to go through), and goddammit will they milk it for all the victim points that its worth.

[+]Ok_Stress_4977 -13 points-12 points-11 points 4 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

Let me give you a list: -health issues (ovarian cysts, Endo) -pregnancy complications -possibly dying during delivery -post PARTUM/ post partum issues -higher risk of sexual assault -breastfeeding struggles -periods for 30+ years -birth control -cramps -the list goes on

[–]mattex456 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

You want me to list all the hard things men experience? You could write a goddamn book about it

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

Go for it. I’m not too open to that right now though, I’ve been bleeding for 6 weeks so men being upset about sex isn’t my favourite subject

[–]AdRepresentative2604 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women have a lot of hard things to go through in their lives like men. And unless you want humanity to die out, thank women for having pregnancies to perpetuate the species. Blaming women for their pregnancies is ridiculous, man up

[–]CentralAdmin 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Pregnancy is hard. Have you ever had a fucking watermelon strapped to your stomach? There’s pain, nausea, discomfort, depression, exhaustion, fear. A lot of work goes into that. It’s not that easy to just open up when you don’t feel attractive.

Solution: Don't get pregnant!

Adopt or stay child free. If pregnancy sucks so much, you don't have to do it. If your husband insists, it's your body and your choice. No one is forcing you get pregnant against your will and you can use contraception to avoid it. Abortions are also an option.

If you choose to have a child, you choose all those problems too. Pregnancy issues are well documented.

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Unfortunately pregnancy isn’t avoidable all the time. I was on birth control when I got pregnant. Both times. Abortion was not an option because I didn’t make it that far. I have been through foster care so I refused to do adoption.

[–]CentralAdmin 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Unfortunately pregnancy isn’t avoidable all the time. I was on birth control when I got pregnant. Both times.

Why are you having sex if you don't want to be pregnant or if pregnancy sucks so much?

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Have you ever had sex without wanting to get her pregnant? That’s an option. Do you think that was the plan? Birth control, plan b. Not enough. It’s not preventable all the time.

[–]defeater_of_bigotry_ 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Cool it with the attitude. Go take your meds.

[+]Ok_Stress_4977 -9 points-8 points-7 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Never been on any because that’s not necessary:) good thing you’re not a doctor! What I recommend for you is to date a man because they seem to always be down for sex! That might suit your better.

[–]SiberianTiger71 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You’re right, BPD has no cure

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Nope it doesn’t, I’m stable though so good news I don’t need meds

[–]SiberianTiger71 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Your recent Reddit rampage says otherwise. You really should talk to your therapist.

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I go once every two weeks! I’m doing great, good thing you’re not a psychiatrist! I can refer you to her if you’d like

[–]mattex456 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Men are a lot easier to deal with, and gay relationships have the lowest rates of domestic violence (lesbians being the highest, I wonder which gender is more abusive).

Sadly, you can't choose your sexuality. Most of us are straight.

[–]AdRepresentative2604 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Men are not at all easy to live with. And heterosexual relationships have the highest rate of domestic violence

[–]razormachine 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And heterosexual relationships have the highest rate of domestic violence

Factually incorrect.

Lesbian couples have the highest rate of domestic violence.

[–]AdRepresentative2604 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not on a global scale. Globally the highest rate of domestic violence is among heterosexual couples, with women generally being the most victimized.

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well then you’re stuck with the women not interested in having sec with yiu

[–]mattex456 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Not stuck with anything, thankfully. I'm happy being single

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Great! You can’t complain then:)

[–]budrick320 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There's a reason you're getting down voted

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Don’t worry! Someone in this group apologized for all of your behaviour

[–]budrick320 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you! I'm glad I was so worried

[–]Nevarinin512 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’ve casually scrolled through this thread an you by far stand out the most by talking absolute nonsense and attacking people seemingly in a frenzy. No one here is pro martial rape or forcing women to have sex when they have legitimate health issues that make sex painful.

No one here said anything like this as I’ve scrolled through. Did you ever consider your outbursts happen because you interpret everything in some ridiculous over the top way? Problem seems to be clearly with you here....

I suggest you take your own advice and shut the fuck up for a moment. You have like 10+ comments like this.

[+]AdRepresentative2604 -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Honestly, you must have done something to provoke this attitude

[–]ABBucsfan 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Why do you figure that? You've never heard of women use my guys for something and discarding.them? She even admitted when i asked her near the end of she ever actually loved me. She said she COULD have, I had the potential. I mean I had people before marriage asking if I was sure she loved me or if it was possible it was her clock ticking. I just couldn't see it then. She was extremely calculating and had a personality disorder j wasn't aware of until near the end. She admitted on occasion that even my in laws has told her she should w more respectful to her husband and not talk to him that way (after overhearing us). Heck I actually asked her why she never considered this black friend of ours and she said she would have but thought black-asian babies weren't good looking (I bet to differ, her words not mine)

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 35 points36 points37 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

For her, relationship and a partner are always just tools and means to an end. Basic feminity.

[–]AdRepresentative2604 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's not how it works

[–]flibbidy_floob 66 points67 points68 points 4 years ago (44 children) | Copy Link

Making things worse is modern society's sexist mantra "Happy wife, happy life."

The basic marriage dynamic is that the man is the "lucky guy" who should shower his wife with unconditional support, affection, gifts, romance, and sex (when and if she wants it but if she doesn't then emotional support is what's required). This is fully supported and encouraged by popular culture.

However, if a man has expectations of his wife (say that she provide affection, support, sex, and maybe even a hot meal now and again), then he is just another male oppressor, part of the hierarchy which controls and exploits women.

[–]Skyboy91 50 points51 points52 points 4 years ago (40 children) | Copy Link

I can’t believe “happy wife, happy life” is an actual saying that has persisted all these years. Society is fucking ridiculous.

[–]AndyBrown65 25 points26 points27 points 4 years ago (39 children) | Copy Link

"Happy Spouse, Happy House" is more appropriate. “happy wife, happy life” is just a form of bullying for a man to put a selfish woman on a pedastool

[–]TheRiverInEgypt 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“Happy Spouse, Happy House” is more appropriate.

Yeah but I live in reality; not some magical world where platitudes are meaningful.

[+]Ok_Stress_4977 -7 points-6 points-5 points 4 years ago (37 children) | Copy Link

You know a man made that line?

[–]SuperStateSamBamCam 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (36 children) | Copy Link

Obviously... LOL

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (35 children) | Copy Link

So you hate it because another man made it? And you’re mad at women about it?

[–]SuperStateSamBamCam 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link

I think it's just a man expressing his reality. Women seem to hold all the cards at home.

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link

Now. 60 years ago? Not so much.

[–]SuperStateSamBamCam 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (31 children) | Copy Link

Is that why men used to call their wives "the old ball and chain"?

[–]Hairy-Commercial1528 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If women use it(they do) they can be blamed.

[–]ABBucsfan 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

More like make yourself miserable trying to make her happy when the goal posts always move.

[–]needalife94 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck happy wife happy life!!! Happy spouse happy house!!!

[–]WhereProgressIsMade 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“Happy wife, happy life” means that she’s an emotional terrorist if she can’t stand the thought of kids or husband being happy if she’s not.

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And shocker, men are so desperate for sex they start looking for reasons she could be losing interest and end up with “women need them”.

[+]peanutbutterjams -19 points-18 points-17 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is demonization of women, which I wish this sub had a rule against.

It's an act of bigotry. What you're saying could be an influence or a factor but your wording strongly suggests you're talking about all women.

[–]312Michelle -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, exactly...

[–]AdRepresentative2604 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think that women have sex to feel pleasure and to provide themselves they work and to protect themselves in case of problem they call the police so it does not make sense. It's mostly because after marriage men let themselves go a lot.

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[–]redditmodsareshits 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Return to gae ?

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[–]redditmodsareshits 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The best thing about being gay due to going MGTOW is that if women say it like that they're being homophobic !

[–]lookingforinsight2 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Take a look at some of the John Lauritsen‘s works on his website regarding male liberation and male love.

Unfortunately a lot of men have been guilted from speaking in simple and truthful terms regarding women. I’d have a little issue with this in itself, but the real problem is what underlies this guilt: women’s methods of censorship and their degradation of men (and intimacy shared between men.) In my earlier years I was regularly disrespected as an openly gay man, but regardless of all the violence I faced from teenage boys, I’ve never encountered more profound disrespect than I have from women.

A great book to start with is Lauritsen’s “Freethinker’s Primer of Male Love.” It’s a short and informative book which costs next to nothing.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the sources. I'll save the links and take a look after I finish my exams.

[–]Braioch 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Already there bud

[–]CentralAdmin 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What is it like?

How often does sex happen? What happens when you suggest something new? What about porn use?

And does your partner get mad if you play video games?

[–]Braioch 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm single and have stayed that way for a bit.

That said, sex happens when it happens. Sometimes it's been a few times a week, sometimes more, sometimes less.

Idk what the new bit is about so I can't really speak to that.

I had one ex who got pissy about porn but uh, he had some self esteem and jealous issues. My other partners were either neutral on the matter (ie "everyone does it") or we would use it as part of foreplay.

I actually had one guy I was seeing who got pissed off about me gaming, among other things it makes me wonder what I saw in him. (It was the sex) But otherwise they don't care and do their own thing, or they're gamers as well. (And one I turned back onto gaming)

[–]lookingforinsight2 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m a man who loves other men, and I’ve been in relationships where the sex takes place pretty much every day, others once a week. It really just fluctuates.

Most men are explorative when it comes to sexual activity. They may have particular reasons for not trying out some thing now, but every single man I’ve been with has been open to discussing such matters, and they’ve almost always left the door open to trying some thing in the future if they were uncomfortable with it at the time (maybe he'd put his foot down with fisting or scat, but I've also met men who've admitted to liking both. Things which are genuine dangers like "bug chasing" are only found amongst serious drug users or life-threatening degenerates, so I'm not talking about that type of sexual activity.)

I don’t think I’ve ever been with a man who cares about porn use. Some like to watch it together, but no one would care about personal use (the idea that it wouldn’t be expected as a given is a bit crazy.) I personally am not a fan of watching porn together because I feel like it turns the moment from erotic to fraternal, but I wouldn’t be outright opposed to it. And to reiterate, I have absolutely no issues with him watching porn on his own, nor would he have issues with me doing the same.

I don’t play video games, but the only time I’d have issues with him playing video games would be if it was extensive, and he found himself regularly disconnected with every day life because of it. The same goes with extensive television use. To be clear: I wouldn’t so much have an issue with him not paying me attention because of it, but I’d be worried that he wasn’t spending his time well. This is a major difference between men and women. Men want their lovers to live well and spend their time wisely. Sure, we all have differences of opinion on living well and such, but being lectured on these matters from a man who loves you is entirely different than being nagged by a woman who has some vague and self-serving need for your attention and labor.

[–]langoley01 62 points63 points64 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Like the old joke what do a new wife and a broken vacuum cleaner have in common,,,

[–]icedragon71 58 points59 points60 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Or what do marriage and a tornado have in common?

They both start off with a lot of sucking and blowing,and end with your house missing.

[–]langoley01 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Especially a divorce in the south.

[–]visicircle 29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Both came from a shitty factory in Taiwan?

[–]langoley01 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Only if the bride was mail order!

[–]Albert-o-saurus 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'll bite. What?

[–]youcantdenythat 35 points36 points37 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

they don't suck

[–]masuabie 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

With my ex, everything was great until we moved in together and then her sex drive just disappeared and I never complained but it did change the relationship.

[–]jmcsquared 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

From the paper's abstract:

"Further, childbirth accentuated this sex difference by partially, though not completely, accounting for declines in women’s sexual desire."

For so many reasons, people gotta stop having kids so damn early.

[–]Willow-girl 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Some of the happiest couples I've known got married young but waited until around 30 to start having kids.

[–]DirtieHarry 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I would guess that a lot of this has to do with them having enough time spent together prior to decided to start a family so there is no resentment or feelings of missed opportunity.

[–]Willow-girl 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think it's also good for a couple to establish themselves as lovers before becoming parents ... otherwise, the women seem to transform into shapeless Mom-beings and their husbands tend to get lost in the shuffle. I don't think the women mind, because society -- and especially the female social matrix -- tends to praise women who excel at mothering, while it is at best ambivalent toward sexy women. "Mom-being" is a safer identity than "sex goddess," thus it's no wonder so many women embrace it to the exclusion of all else.

[–]DirtieHarry 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Super-mom is certainly a safer job than sexy-wife/milf. haha

[–]Albert-o-saurus 33 points34 points35 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Look, as sentient meat, however illusory our identities are, we craft those identities by making value judgements. Everybody judges all the time. Now, you got a problem with that, you're living wrong.

One of my favorite quotes of all time. True Detective, Season 1.

This issue is clearly the fault of women. It's unfair of women to expect commitment to remain the same, from their partner, at the same time as changing how often they have sex with their partner.

[–]freerossulbrich 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What happens after marriage? Well. Marriage.

She can walk out on you and keep half of your money. Why should she still fuck you? Far less incentive.

For this reason I have sugar babies instead of wives.

[–]Laytheblameonluck 29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm of the opinion that it's healthy to discuss breaking up when this happens.

The problem is today, women have a high sex drive for short term relationships, and a low sex drive for long term relationships, what is not clear is, could this be due to women being oversexed?

During their sexual development, for modern women, sex is free available and without consequence, the only negative being that men will "pump and dump" after having sex but women rarely experience men leaving because of sex.

However, upon prospect of losing a relationship over sex, only then do women start to truly question and understand the role of sex and relationships.

But, its quite common for women to project their loss of interest onto their partner and it forments a resentment of each other, by each other.

[–]DemocratsFoundedKKK 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

/r/theredpill

You're welcome.

[–]Nathaniel66 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Been there, done that. What a misery it was :/

[–]ABBucsfan 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You mean water is wet?

[–]WaterIsWetBot 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Water is actually not wet; It makes other materials/objects wet. Wetness is the state of a non-liquid when a liquid adheres to, and/or permeates its substance while maintaining chemically distinct structures. So if we say something is wet we mean the liquid is sticking to the object.

 

What happens when you get water on a table?

It becomes a pool table.

[–]quantainium_pasta 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

A possible explanation that fits our data is that female sexual desire increases during the brief phase of passionate love. Nature may have arranged that as a way of encouraging the man to make a long-term commitment.

OR, nature may have arranged that as a signal to a man to seek a different sexual partner, in order to sow their seed more widely.

[–]rdcngl -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

So in general cheating?

[–]quantainium_pasta 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps. It would be interesting to chart the man and woman's sex drive against instances of cheating by both parties. I'm certain there is a correlation.

But, it would probably be impossible to actually collect this data.

... unless, maybe you could look at divorces, how far into the marriage they are, and if they mention cheating or infidelity.

[+]rdcngl -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Naah I'm just implying that your original comment was dumb . Tf is sowing seed somewhere else.

[–]zerozerotsuu 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It’s not a moral judgement, only an evolutionary factor that could contribute to more humans carrying it than not.

[–]rdcngl -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sure anything to justify cheating

[–]312Michelle -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

You tell them, rdcngl. I can't stand men and women who try to justify cheating and who blame their partners for being more about bonding and tenderness than just sex. The very thought of casual sex and sex divorced from long-term committed relationship sickens me (that's why I love erotism but find porn repulsive, there's a big difference between erotism and porn), I will not be someone's empty vessel for their junks or someone's sex crutch for their selfish gratification, I have enough self-respect and self-love to know that I'm worth more than that and that I deserve better. I have the right to expect more out of a relationship than just sex.

Also, what if the wife (or husband) is too old to have a high sex drive (people who are +60) or has an accident and a disability that makes them unable to have sex (major paralysis, serious injury or anything of that nature)? Is that okay then to cheat on them and run away with someone else or just dump this spouse just because she (or he) can't give you lots of sex and cannot perform like a pro? A person who would treat their spouse like that to get back at their spouse for something that's out of their control is selfish, immature and clearly lacks empathy. There is more to life and a relationship than just sex.

Pretty sure if the OP was too old or too disabled or had some chemical imbalance in the brain and couldn't perform as often as he wished he could was dumbed by a selfish girlfriend because his libido had decreased he would be the first one to say that he's victim of an injustice and that it's sexist to target and punish men for things they can't control, but when genders are reversed he want to blame it all on the women who might not have any control over the biological factors in her body and brain chemistry that determine if her libido is high or low at that specific moment in her life. But if he was being punished by a woman for something he can't control, he would have a shit fit.

I'm all for men's rights and equality, but blaming a genders for decrease in libido is just dumb, genders are not to blame, it has nothing to do with being a woman or being a man. Biological factors in people's bodies and brain chemistry are responsible for decrease in libido. Other factors can make things worse like medications for physical and mental health issues (like certains anti-depressants and other medications) can decrease libido too. Does the OP suggest that the women shouldn't take their medications, even if they might die from their physical health issues, or become dangerous to themselves and others from their mental health issues and unable to live normal lives, just so their libido doesn't decrease or else the main is justified in dumping her or cheating on her? Countless biological, physical, mental, and environmental factors play a role in libido increase or decrease. Both men and women shouldn't be shamed and punished for things they have no control over.

[–]MGTOW_and_Bitcoin 39 points40 points41 points 4 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

This is what happens when women lower their standards and merry men that they are not genuinely interested in.

However this is a problem for women because they only find the top 10% of men actually desirable.

Guys do not marry women that are not genuinely interested in you -there's no future in that. In fact if you are aware of natural feminine hypergamy you will understand that any woman who wants you to marry you is already looking for you to sign away your sovereignty with that contract

[–]ABBucsfan 25 points26 points27 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This. But it's still their fault. It's only reasonable to assume if someone is pushing marriage and spends a whole year elaborately planning it that she must feel the same way. Well our job to warn the younger generation. Don't be naiive like I was basically. Some grow up dreaming about the wedding and not the groom. Dream about the house and the kids, but not the husband. It's obvious looking back she only became interested after she saw me date someone else. Was in friend zone before that. Believe what I wanted to believe I guess and she was a former actor in very small indie films

[–]SuperStateSamBamCam 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Reminds me of a girl I used to know. She had already planned out her entire wedding in great detail... and not a suitor in sight. There was so much I despised about her.

[–]budrick320 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You give me an idea. That might be a good topic of conversation to have with someone you're dating. See how much thought they've given to marriage.

[–]MGTOW_and_Bitcoin 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even if I could feel better about the idea of marriage, it would only be if a woman was genuinely interested in having a good marriage and loving the idea of caring for children, than a wedding. Most women today have been trained to believe that this type of activity is "care work" unwaged labor a weakness.... smh.

But since I have went red pill I cannot describe the level of disappointment I see in the character of men and women. There's a price to pay for the red pill but I would have it no other way.

Unlike most mgtow I see this philosophy as an invitation to live your best possible life, an invitation to others to respect you first as a human being with basic human rights in mind, as an opportunity for a woman to show her true character.

I think women do "show you who they are" over time, red pill philosophy is essential in understanding what women do and how you feel about that is key ( because it goes against you're very biology and what Society tells you is love) because all of it is likely to be perverse: a type of deformed will that is set against your own interests and which every man must genuinely struggle

This struggle is not just simply too cater to your own selfish interest, but to maintain your humanity, your sovereignty, your sanity within the finely-tuned, all-consuming, misandric world around us.

[–]Astrum91 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

How do you distinguish genuine interest from feigned interest?

[–]WhereProgressIsMade 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Some guys describe it as a girl that has very high interest very soon into the relationship if not immediately. Almost the love at first sight kind of thing. In contrast to a gal you have to put a ton of effort into trying to convince to keep going out with you.

[–]Astrum91 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That seems like a pretty good point of reference.

This isn't a problem I'll ever have, but what about the extremely attractive and wealthy men that naturally have women falling all over them. Is there a way to tell between feigned and genuine interest if both result in very high interest extremely early on?

[–]WhereProgressIsMade 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t know about the extreme high end. I was in the top 10% of income for my geo and the way I played it was to downplay it as much as possible which wasn’t too hard since I lived fairly frugally anyways. Only cheap dates for the first two months and I’d deflect questions about what I did. If they lasted that long I’d start taking them to an expensive restaurant once in a while.

[–]MGTOW_and_Bitcoin 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

All you have to do is make her believe that she no longer has to convince you of her love.

Do you have to do is no longer complain, validate all of her activity and very quickly you'll find out who she is... you're likely not going to be surprised nor will you be as passionate about what you find.

The ones you have to worry about the most are the ones that practice their performance in the mirror, because every look, every gesture to find the channel to get the maximum effect.

[–]AdRepresentative2604 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

If women are only attracted to 10% of the men on this earth it means that the majority of marriages are lies and that there are only about 9% of real marriages that exist. So the solution is to abolish marriage.

[–]MGTOW_and_Bitcoin 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Not only that but the 10% of women who are genuinely attracted to their husbands will likely lose his interest as his SMV skyrockets well into his 50s.

I think all of these perverse dynamics are at play. I think men should couple with younger women it may very well be unnatural for a man to be with a woman that is older then himself.

But it's the lucky few who actually find anything worth keeping but you must definitely need a red pill awareness because nothing great is likely to happen by chance.

[–]AdRepresentative2604 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

But if women study to have a career it is impossible or men have to marry women of their age. So the only solution is to forbid women to go to college and have a career other than being a mother. Basically, for this to work, it is necessary to restrict women's access to more individual freedom as much as possible and let men take more control over women's sexuality and future. In this way it can work

[–]MGTOW_and_Bitcoin 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would not hold any man or woman accountable to another nor would I allow a man or a woman to not hold themselves accountable to themselves....

Just let people be themselves make bad decisions or good and maybe the rest of us can learn from their example.

[–]MGTOW_and_Bitcoin 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And why would you be with another person who is essentially a child? I'm pretty sure we can demand of women, now, in the modern age, that they become adults.

[–]rdcngl 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

You get mad when they say all men but that's the same thing you did with women lmao

[–]MGTOW_and_Bitcoin 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I think people don't seem to understand how to work with generalizations.

It's not reasonable to have to account for every exception in order to make a general statement that is useful and aligned with our most immediate, direct and embodied experience of the world.

People would have more success in life if they stopped focusing on the exception to every rule on the obscene notion that one generalization will always apply or should be assumed to apply to everything the class.... it will be much better if people could focus on what appears to be the better argument ( that's how you make progress in life, and you hold on to that better argument give you another one that is better) a type of tentative hubris is required.

[–]rdcngl -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Don't care about this shit you said , stop generalizing women if you want the same for men.

[–]MGTOW_and_Bitcoin 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You can generalize with everything you encounter in this world you may not realize it but it's called ideas.

Sure you can be the exception but in my opinion your comment lacks awareness and more critically self-awareness. So it's very unlikely that even your own ideas are useful to you but I'm sure they serve the function of making you feel better.

[–]rdcngl 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Then imo all men have sexually assaulted a woman

[–]MGTOW_and_Bitcoin 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

All sex is rape.... I guess that sounds like an idea that would appeal to hypergamous women...

[–]rdcngl -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Notice how I said sexually assaulted not rape

[–]MGTOW_and_Bitcoin 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What are you driving at? Is this a criticism or are you agreeing that women lack reality, a clear sense of agency, personal and/or responsibility or prudence

[–]312Michelle -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I couldn't agree wmore with you...

[–]ApatheticHeretic_101 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Where's the article that explains how sexless married women transform into nymphomaniacs the second the ink dries on the divorce papers or they leave their husbands...?

Still not their fault or just no one wants to study that?

LOL

[–]flowingwisdom13 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C49&q=sex+life+after+divorce+&btnG=#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3Dnyjgvuy3e7AJ

[–]ApatheticHeretic_101 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Another article that excuses promiscuity and bad decisions. Again, it's not their fault. It's always external factors. No accountability. LOL

[–]flowingwisdom13 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s the general consensus nowadays, so there’s hardly no way to avoid that. However like you seems to infer, this work at least shows how post divorce, the same women who were relatively sexless in their marriage (of their own volition) suddenly recover their sexual energy and imagination

[–]MrSnrlub 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is how it went in mine.

[–]mcove97 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Then don't marry and dont have kids so you can find a new partner when it doesn't work anymore?

[–]Kryptus 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This gets more risky as you get older. A dude above 40 is gonna have a hard time finding an attractive girl with a good personality and no crazy baggage who is genuinely into him.

[–]B1G_Fan 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And, this is precisely why extended families are so important for making the nuclear family work.

If a man is abusing his wife, the extended family can say to the man

"If you abuse her, we will abuse you"

You would think that women would be clamoring for that kind of safety net, right?

But, no, women want the government to do this because the downside to relying on the extended family to clamp down on abuse is that if a man is unsatisfied with his wife's behavior, in the bedroom or otherwise, the extended family will say to the wife

"Go jump your husband's bones like you promised you would"

Can't have men AND women both being held accountable, can we??

[–]Kryptus 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a good point.

[–]DecimatingDarkDeceit 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[◊] ≈ : Reasons never ever bother to Marry anytime, Number: 5.282.585.674

[–]Blutarg 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But I thought it was men who were afraid of commitment! :/

[–]Perfect_War5446 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s because women get bored easily and miss being able to having a different dick every night if they wanted to

[–]No_Sheepherder_6652 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bc we are just monkeys designed to have sex with a lot of partners. We get bored. Wives get fat and stop trying to impress us. Men get fat and stop tryin to impress the women. This isn’t rocket science.

[–]jarmbur 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Conclusion: if you want tons of sex, don't get married.

[–]Insidious-Sid 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women have evolved to give would-be provider men a glimpse of an ongoing wonderful sex life she has no desire to, or intention of, maintaining long term. In short, the idea that a "happily married dutiful husband" gets his sexual needs met regularly is just a little white lie society keeps telling men to keep men lining up at the altar.

[–]Eedoryeong 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That's a bit misleading I think. An otherwise problematic book - Soul Healing Love - nevertheless gave me one very useful insight into this particular phenomenon that helped me forgive myself and her: the cocktail of euphoric hormones that cause you to be drawn to each other is supposed to drop off. It's a high your body is building resistance to, because you cannot sustain that kind of euphoria or it would burn a hole in your brain. Pretty much like your body has to process alcohol only of course on a much longer time scale.

But the good news is that both of you can make a decision together that you're going to put in the hours. Just like anything else in your life with your career with your health with your education with your spirituality whatever do you want to be good at or have a decent level, you have to put in your hours. The same thing goes for keeping your romantic love life alive. It doesn't have to be guaranteed sex. It can just be a guarantee of intimate alone time but it has to be there all the time and it has to be worked at prepared for. And it will wax and wane but it's like everything else if you do that it can stay. But it takes two people to decide it and you have to prioritize other things out of the schedule so that you can make room for it - and this is where a lot of people fall down.

[–]esoteric82 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But the good news is that both of you can make a decision together that you're going to put in the hours.

Things like this sound good, but aren't actually that viable. PUA has it right; you can't logic or schedule a woman into wanting you. You have to be able to identify what drives her emotions and make her want you (make yourself attractive to her). It seems that some people are lazy and entitled and expect women to have sex with them just for existing after getting into an LTR or marriage. (I used to feel the same, like "well she should have sex with me, we're exclusive, so I'm not getting it from anyone else," etc.) It takes effort to keep her interested after entering into marriage and seeing them every day. Got to put the work in.

[–]Eedoryeong 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

(How do you select just sections of text? My app forces me to quote it all)

You're right it's not that viable. But it's not unicorns either. I think it's certainly common enough to merit mentioning. BTW that entitlement issue also is a big deal. You raise a lot of good points. But I don't believe sex is the primary goal of scheduling time together. RE putting the work in (making yourself attractive) I share the view that that's important, but in my experience it's not enough. I know survivors from relationships with people who think it stands in for couples bonding. I can think of one person in particular who carried himself like x hours at the gym entitles them to sex. That's a non starter too. And I also know ~ for lack of a better term physically unfit couples who stay in love with each other after 40 years and continue to have sex. But I also spend significant time with older people and see a lot from older mindsets as well. My experience tells me marital happiness is a result of a relationship that works for each one's choices. That seems to underscore the case for marriage not being for everybody, and being kind to yourself if you're both better off going separate ways. But putting in the hours together does help.

[–]theboned1 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Mens sex drive falls because the wife's falls. Most wife's make it quite clear how uninterested they are with sex and thus forces the men to lower theirs.

[–]whiteguycash 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The article seems to indicate that Men judge marital happiness off of sexual health of the marriage. I wonder what the women in these marriages would judge marital happiness off of?

[–]Yithar 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Money? Considering woman are shallow when it comes to money like men are shallow when it comes to looks, I'd put my bet on money.

[–]SodyPops17 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Your name should be whiteKNIGHTcash.

[–]whiteguycash 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What a bizarre response.

[–]Kryptus 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Material possessions and exotic vacations?

[–]jln3701547 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What food kills a woman's libido? Wedding cake, lol

[–]SodyPops17 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean, I could've told you that one. I've never heard of a marital problem where the core issue was or was linked to lack of sex.

[–]nixon_talks 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Just had a female friend say this verbatim:
"Because she becomes their mother and then has kids by that time and is fucken exhausted"

That was her reason why sex drive drops. LMFAO.

[–]Bossun21 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dunno who downvoted, but I guess FDS people are taking a look at this sub :|
It's not the first time I've heard that excuse.

Can we also be exhausted from working all the time and having to deal with all the bills, the kids and the hard jobs?
Is that enough excuse to pretend our partner isn't someone with needs?

Logic just doesn't apply with some people -.-

[–]Willow-girl 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Based!

[–]whatafoolishsquid[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The study literally addresses that, hence my title. The social stereotype is to blame the man, but the study shows the woman's drop in sex drive happens before any marital problems.

[–]poobobo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I question if this is a men's rights issue. It sounds like it's just women's biology. However, with that being said, it's a good reason to not get married. Getting married is like buying a bmw. It's gonna break down and leave you with a big bill.

[–]whatafoolishsquid[S] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The men's rights issue is that this addresses a social stereotype that always blames men for marital problems. One, it says women's lack of sexual interest or marital problems in general are the result of a man not fulfilling her emotional needs. Two, it mocks and dismisses men who suffer in a marriage because their sexual needs aren't being met. This article and study should shed some light on that. Not that anything will change.

[+]beniesixx98 -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Well I can safely say , I know for a fact that I have a low to almost non existent sex drive (just due to years of s.a by adults in my life ) but my fiance knew that from the start and he's ok with it . But we are also poly and he's allowed to have sex with me while I sleep (I gave him consent ) since I don't/can't get in the mood all the time. But we definitely don't fight over the fact if I'm or him aren't in the mood .But at least I was up front with him and he chose to stay

[–]Eustace_Savage 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But we are also poly

Lmao every fucking time.

[–]beniesixx98 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well since I have a very low sex drive , I can't always provide what he needs , and I'd be selfish if I told him he couldn't go do that . Let's face low sex drives leads to people cheating , so if I let him go off and have relationships that can fulfill he's sex drive (which is very high ) he can come home to me with dinner ready and another partner ready for cuddles and video games . And since I'm not really interested in the sex part I find partners who get the same satisfaction with cuddles or dates . Here's the thing why would I set him up for a relationship where he couldn't have sex and become miserable we hardly ever have sex ? I allow him to have other partners in his life so I don't have to worry about him going behind my back and doing it . And honestly it helps so much more knowing the people who he's with.

[–]brofesor -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

But we are also poly and he's allowed to have sex with me while I sleep (I gave him consent ) since I don't/can't get in the mood all the time.

Hold up! Excuse me, what the heck? 😂

  1. You can't possibly continue sleeping while you're being pounded.
  2. At that point, why even bother and not just get the Fleshlight?

[–]beniesixx98 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I can sleep through , since I toss and turn through the night I end up very exhausted in the mornings . And like I said since I was s.a I physically as much as I try I can't . But I was also upfront with him about it , he chose to stay . But I also acknowledge he's poly and I wasn't when we met I allow him to go off and be with others because that's just what he likes . And he understands since he was also s.a . Victims either become hypersexual or it's almost non existent . Now I still let him fuck me when I'm awake just it takes alot to get me there and it's also not always end up amazing because of my ptsd

[–]Kryptus -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You did good.

[–]beniesixx98 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I acknowledge he has needs that I can't fulfill , I'm not going to stop him from having sex and being miserable

[+]Ok_Stress_4977 -8 points-7 points-6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Date a man then.

[–]JoocyJ 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Look if you make it clear up front when meeting someone that you are not interested in sex, no man/woman is going to force or pressure you to do it. They’re either going to be cool with that or not. The problem is when the issue is revealed years into a marriage. You can’t expect a man/woman to forgo a basic pillar of a romantic relationship and then expect that relationship to last.

[–]Ok_Stress_4977 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I got into my current relationship after a one nighter. He did not know sex isn’t my favourite. He also knows women are different and it was his suggestion to stop if it hurts me, I was going to ignore it.

[–]MentionSilver6915 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The way some people are speaking in here is making this group as a collective look worse than the feminazis😅

[–]mcPetersonUK 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Id not be surprised if its some biological throw back to stop humans reproducing indefinitely. A few years of producing kids then ease off.

[–]Floda_H 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Alpha fux Beta bux, as always. Her sexual desire wouldn't have declined if she had married Chris Hemsworth.

[–]Slow-Brush 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And if their sex drive didn't drop, they're outside or on their smartphone cheating on their spouse.

[–]barnagotte 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Duh.

[–]Ok_Medicine_7662 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Helps if you stay working out in the gym and avoiding her a little bit more..

[–]SereneGoldfish 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think excitement plays a large part in sexual desire. If you're relatively new partners, it's all new and very exciting. If you're several years down the line, and you know your partner's body as well as you know your own, the excitement isn't the same. I think foreplay and perfecting what makes your partner happy becomes more important then. However, this takes work. There may be kids, jobs, stresses and strain of life. Few have time or energy for the couple of hours to really enjoy it. And women do enjoy sex

[–]gdh2019 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I remember reading that women start to crave variety (yes, in sexual partner) more than men do when in a relationship. Contrary to popular belief.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I do wonder whether women's desires decrease over time, or their willingness to admit it's lower than they previous claimed increases over time.

Women like sex but not as much as men do; their sexual drive is on average lower than men for basically every age post puberty.

[–]jadonner 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It could be because of birth control that the woman has to take unless they’re having kids …. That is proven to lower her libido.

[–]danielnogo -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Idk, I frequent the dead bedroom subreddit and there are many women there who's husband's have lost interest in sex leaving them sexually frustrated. There are lots of guys too, but to say it's only women who lose interest is just inaccurate.

[–]oggyb -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A bunch of shitty takes in this comment section. What we get from this research is that there's a correlation of factors that complicates the common narrative .

All this is is a call to do more science, not to jump to stupid conclusions about who can be blamed for what outcome.

Thanks for sharing the writeup!

[–]Anih1list -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Marriage is bullshit as an institution anyway. Started out as a patriarchal “I own my wife” thing, and now it’s a “my wife takes my money” thing. Fuck that shit.

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