The rising epidemic of sexless men in feminist society

chupasway · 2023-04-19T05:19:32+00:00

Dating is a very good example of how feminists still want men to continue their trad gender roles.

I am still expected as a man to pursue women and ask take them out on dates because women don't pursue men and especially feminists. This is also means men will still have to pay for the dates because its "our" idea to go out on that date in the first place.

Sir_vendetta · 2023-04-19T05:14:13+00:00

I have a few friends that they aren't even trying to date anymore out of fear of false accusations, entrapment, and manipulation...

What women are going to do when we all decide that our "men's caves" are more appealing?

djc_tech · 2023-04-19T11:03:02+00:00

Well feminists have taught women “they don’t need no man” and therefore they haven’t settled down. Guys FWIW have also started boycotting the marriage game. I think older guys are finally starting to get through to younger guys about the risks of divorce where you’re half likely to end up in divorced and 80-90% of the time initiated by the woman. You’re going to be out half your income and assets, you will more than likely lose your time with kids, suffer emotional hell and pay tens of thousands in legal fees.

Also stats show women are swiping or trying to date the top 5% of men so they’re all fucking the same guys and wonder why they can’t lock them down. If you’re in the top 5% why on earth would you stop?

Let’s add the fact feminism has made a lot of women unbearable to be around. They talk about inequality and how they’re oppressed, when honestly in western society they’re really not. They scream they need more CEO jobs etc while ignoring the fact men are 93-95% of workplace deaths, work shitty jobs no woman will work (yeah I know there are “some women” but that’s a rare exception not the rule), work dangerous jobs, work tough labor jobs and are an overwhelming group that grows and provides food for our society (73.6% of farmers are men).

Add that to a pandering media and you have all the makings of a society that literally bites the hand that feeds them.

I know guys who are sexless by choice. They just don’t seek relationships. They have seen either myself or others go through congested divorces and decide it’s not worth the risk. Other guys like me who are divorced have been taken to the cleaners so badly why the fuck would I EVER put myself at risk of a second marriage with a higher rate if divorce? Relationships aren’t worth it anymore and if you’re willing to put in the effort and you’re reasonably fit and handle your finances you will get laid. But the thing is modern relationships aren’t worth more than sex anymore, and chances are she’s got 59 guys she’s texting anyways. So why put in the emotional effort? Especially if you’re someone like me who has a kid and fought for years ti get a decent custody schedule? Because I choose to put my emotional energy there and not some random woman who will give me grief at the first moment I have standards or disagree with her.

tpn1984 · 2023-04-19T03:55:30+00:00

The new feminists movement is definitely based on hate towards men, and wanting to be in full control of everything. I'm glad my wife has a level head on her shoulders. Sure, we might disagree every now and then, but it's rare. Stay strong out there Kings.

SecTeff · 2023-04-19T07:04:29+00:00

Throughout history many more women have reproduced than men - https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/through-history-more-women-have-reproduced-men-180952840/

The natural biological order is for women to sexually select the choice mates. In sone tribal societies polygamy might be practiced. In others dominant men with power will have had multiple wives or partners.

However lots of men without partners doesn’t lead to a very stable society, the men without mates get angry and start to call for social reform. I think we see that happening again now.

So society formed religious conventions around monogamy. However that has its own problems with many people tied into unhappy relationships and also situations that were historically unfair to women,

I don’t know what the answer is. It seems you either have a society with very sexually liberated women in which many men will not get to mate or a more socially conservative society where people are tied into marriages they might be unhappy on and in which they aren’t free.

Neither seems ideal.

DoctorStorm · 2023-04-19T04:27:59+00:00

Last, but not least, modern women aren't even worth dating. I'm probably going to get some flack for this, but it's honestly true at this point

No criticism on my end. I totally agree with this statement.

So many men are no longer bothering with dating and are instead choosing to focus on themselves, simply because it's not worth it anymore

Believe me, I tried with women. I did my best. I wanted a wife that I can be with for the rest of my days. These girls simply ain't loyal. I'm done with it. I'm focused on myself. I could create so much for the world with the level of focus that I usually have, women have only been a time and money drain for me so far.

Academic-Complaint12 · 2023-04-19T07:22:13+00:00

The problem re; where to approach women is every woman has a different idea of where it is and isn't acceptable to approach. If you listen to everyone, you will get an all-encompassing list of literally everywhere.

But that list of "literally everywhere" is very unlikely to apply to any individual woman.

My rule of thumb: pretty much anywhere is ok, but leave them a clear out and if they obviously aren't interested, don't keep at it.

Derpalator · 2023-04-19T10:41:07+00:00

My 33 year old son says exactly the same things about women. Needless to say he is single. I've recommended he just concentrate on himself, being the best he can be, following through on decisions to increase his income and better his life. Then and only then will the womenz line up to get him, which raises the specter of being eventually screwed over by her and the current family law situation.

chris31605 · 2023-04-19T09:18:06+00:00

I am in that category. Went to the gym for 10 years on and off. Have a masters degree in pharmaceuticals. Went out solo many times even abroad. This is not enough apparently..... but ofcourse a modern 1st world woman just exists and gets results.... makes sense. I gave up on this cringe bs years ago. Dating ain't worth the squeeze, I have done enough and I am enough, I will not be forced to follow womens' orders just to get results no way. I am either an equal or gtfo. But that will never happen.

I would like to see a woman get zero matches on dating apps and no special attention in life... but that is only reserved for men lol. Do you have to grab the sun or something lol?

plumberack · 2023-04-19T05:21:12+00:00

Sexless men is a growing problem for mensrights too. The majority of virgin men become massive white knight feminist simp. I avoid personal talks with broken virgin men, they very easily snitch on you for a woman.

TrueNeutrall0011 · 2023-04-19T11:18:02+00:00

If you approach a woman you are in competition with every other man interested in her.

If she has a boyfriend she will either turn you down or use you for attention. She might use you to make her bf jealous, or pretend to care in order to gain loyalty from you but ultimately it is about attention. If you're a man giving extended amounts of attention to a woman you need to be aware of whether she actually cares about you or is just using you. Spoiler alert which it is when you do a little genuine probing in a compassionate way.

If she doesn't like you, or even if she does, she tells her friends almost all the time. I have had this happen just from speaking to women about my areas of interest because she asked me. At the gym I had a great conversation with her, she told the other women and because you use your real name on the member cards, people look you up on social media.

Just by having a positive conversation with this person I created a whole bunch of attention on myself and jealousy from the young men at the gym. I just wanted to be left alone and to train.

Further that - let's say the stars align and she's actually single and not going to just use you in one of the ways above. Now you are in competition with every other guy who has her interest. She can be in to you one moment and totally distracted by someone else the next as she's deciding what's best for her. For her this is only natural and it's like magic. Men come out of nowhere, invest time energy resources in to her and you are expected to put all your emotions and needs aside to win that competition and hopefully, temporarily, gain enough of her time and attention to be "given a chance".

Unless you're 7/10 or higher at which point she will pursue you lmao.

So yeah. It's degrading and most men don't want anything to do with it. Personally I just sexualize the trauma of decades of rejection and cruelty from women so don't kink shame lmao.

CLxJames · 2023-04-19T13:46:57+00:00

“He needs to be at least 6 ft, make 6 figures, and have a 6-pack” - your resident Jabba the Hut 304

1nf1n1t3_Sag3 · 2023-04-20T01:53:34+00:00

MGTOW is the way. God I miss that sub

Relevant-Key4610 · 2023-04-19T05:53:14+00:00

The problem is that we're reading horror stories about how men are getting screwed in life because of false accusations by empowered feminists. All it takes is a female to make a statement and all he'll breaks loose. This is causing men to lose confidence in themselves first, and be very worried about actually dating someone. Back in the days, going out was fun, meeting females was fun and enjoyable, and taking someone home was always fun for both. Nowadays, a man gotta worry about every aspect of the process, which takes out all the fun from the equation and makes men decide to stay without a relationship.

pacmanwa · 2023-04-19T14:57:34+00:00

Lets look at the current offering in the dating pool...

...well that explains it.

storm838 · 2023-04-19T12:57:39+00:00

Because divorce can wipe you out of your home and finances, child custody court even worse, abuse allegations are also next level but not uncommon. A bad marriage, along with a terrible divorce, toss a child in the mix and you can get really screwed over. Not worth it.

Thanosdidwhat · 2023-04-19T07:54:18+00:00

I see this as an absolute win. We can finally live free without the burden of raising a family. We can smoke weed and play video games till the day we die without some nagging wife complaining about how shiny the neighbour's car is. But that's me.

lifesuckswannadie · 2023-04-19T16:08:18+00:00

Its over for men in America.

TiredOldGrunt412 · 2023-04-19T23:33:43+00:00

Modern women are not worth it. They are spoiled rotten, entitled, selfish monsters.

And WHEN she decides you are no longer worthy of being in her presence, she gets to walk away with half of everything you own - prenup be damned.

The game is rigged. Anyone with 2 brain cells can see that there is no possible way to win.

Don't play the game.

chris31605 · 2023-04-19T07:33:28+00:00

I dont think feminism did it counts as good analysis.

But the structure of society forces us this way. I can be an incel all my life, pay taxes and receive nothing from the government, be a pure profit for the state in a country in which women on average costs the state 6 times as much as men does.

Then I can die early, like sexless men do, and leave a sizeable pension that, just like all the other value I've created in life, can be redistributed to women, who live longer and create less value.

If I kill myself, no problem, just get one more Polish guy over here to do sll the things I do, but without the right to vote.

The welfare state is the problem. Not for everyone, some people benefit greatly from it of course. But sexless men? We lose from it, and we should orgsnize and vote to dismantle it.

AaViOnBando · 2023-04-19T13:39:32+00:00

This is largely thanks to two things:

1) Men becoming more feminine in a society that deems masculinity as toxic. "Good times create weak men, weak men create hard times" applies here.. With the rise of feminism there's been this trend to either remove gender roles, placing a relationship in a gray area, a limbo of ideas not knowing what your role even is, or reversing the natural gender roles, giving rise to masculine women and feminine men, but feminine men will not be treated like women, we are not gonna be protected by masculine women.. actually the "strong independent women" run from danger even faster than traditional feminine women.

2) (feminist) Women viewing sex as a "reward" they can give men, instead of as a normal interaction between a man and a woman. Like...you get pleasure too right? You know I can get sex somewhere else right? I mean if you don't want to have sex cool, your problem, but you can't act like you hold some mystical treasure between your legs and men are supposed to slave away for it. Pussy is not unique, it's not special, the value she gives as a woman is important.

delamsaid · 2023-04-19T16:54:58+00:00

To play devils advocate I’m going to argue your point in the order that your presented them. Keep in my mind that I’m talking mainly from things that I have perceived from both sexes.

First: I wouldn’t really say women’s standards have changed drastically just that a minority of women are very vocal about these drastic changes. The concept of women have billions of suitors is something I feel as if we don’t really understand, women have billions of people willing to have sex with them but an actual relationship is completely different. When it comes down to the level of availability I do agree that women have an advantage but that’s been the way it’s been for like ever, men pursue women and just as women have million of people pursuing them for sex through things like social media etc, men have the ability to pursue millions of women through the social media as well. The very vocal minority is those women who we see have unreal standards and understanding of dating.

Second: I actually agree with your point here, the advancement of social media has made it that approaching women as a whole for men is hard, this is even something a lot of women have realized as well and talked about. The only solution I see for this is women learning to make the first move which we all know is very unlikely. My personal experience for this is that the best place as a man to approach women is at the bar, cliche and really annoying but I feel as if as a human being if you go to a social setting like a bar and a club you have to understand that you might be approached if your a woman, if you don’t get that then your basically brain dead in my opinion.

Lastly: This is something I feel as if is based again on our ability to be so inter connected because of social media. I have not met a single woman in my day to day life that exhibits any of the traits you talk about, but on the internet ie places like Twitter, Reddit, Instagram etc I can name like hundred of them that would legitimately make me kms if I met irl. I’m not going to say that the women I meet in my day to day life are quite or anything like that but usually their just normal people with different personalities and traits. Even the occasional feminist I run into aren’t radical or crazy but just people with views and ideas that I can talk to and agree or disagree with depending on the topic of conversation. Mind you I use to travel a lot so I’ve ran into a wide group of people so I think I have like a little bit of understanding when it comes to different personalities.

adesant88 · 2023-04-19T21:21:29+00:00

95% of the time, all women have to offer today is 99 problems, and pussy (at least at the beginning of a relationship). If you’re lucky they can cook a decent meal too

Electronic_Metal_750 · 2023-04-20T02:41:01+00:00

Ahahaha be the best version of yourself and when you are f** these hoes and toss them like the trash they are . I do it all the time and it’s the best feeling in the world.

SleeplessSeaTac · 2023-04-19T15:45:08+00:00

In the past, it seemed like every guy had a wife. You never heard of 30 year old permavirgins.

Yeah... go checkout r/Deadbedrooms. Sexless marriages are the norm now

After four years of marriage, only 48% of married women want regular sex.

-Some buzzfeed site

Married 25 years, and we are now totally celibate. Have kids and I'm what most would call "very" religious so divorce is not a simple matter. A sort of MGTOW but without the whole hell of the court proceedings. My brother-in-law is in the exact same boat but not religious, he just divorced my wife's sister over it.

I kinda see the logical conclusion to this to be well regulated and maintained sex work businesses. If it can ever get to the point where women aren't abused in sex work, and becomes as mainstream as Walmart, I think you will see a huge push back to traditional values. There is a leftist push for "sex work is work" movement. If they ever "win" they may be surprised with what results from that.

Greg_W_Allan · 2023-04-19T05:21:59+00:00

I'd like to see men go completely Lysistrata at this point.

DecimatingDarkDeceit · 2023-04-19T16:30:18+00:00

Second, most men are too afraid to approach women.

This. I felt this one. Although it has an actual reason behind it.

whater39 · 2023-04-19T22:34:09+00:00

Be a "Passport Bro".

Electronic_Metal_750 · 2023-04-20T02:41:06+00:00

Ahahaha be the best version of yourself and when you are f** these ho** and toss them like the trash they are . I do it all the time and it’s the best feeling in the world.

2023-04-23T03:20:55+00:00

I'm glad to see more men sexless, more population of men become permavirgins. Since I know that off my heart. I'm not the only one. I just hit my late 20s, I have never been in a relationship, never had sex, never hold hands, never had first kiss, never had any female friends. At least it lowers the population. The world population is overpopulated 8 billion people anyway. I would encourage you bros to don't chase women, let women chase you, since their standards is appallingly high

meme_stitch · 2023-04-23T16:26:52+00:00

Why are MRAs more obsessed with dating than actual human rights? This is frustrating to read. Doesn't this belong in MGTOW?

Dating is fundamentally hostile to men anyhow. It should be abolished

GiveBackMyRidgedBand · 2023-04-19T20:55:25+00:00

Paretto’s law seems to be at work. 80% of women are fucking 20% of the men…maybe

bouchandre · 2023-04-19T15:31:14+00:00

To be fair, I’m sure many men didn’t get in relationships back then. We just don’t remember them. Survivorship bias.

NeoNotNeo · 2023-04-19T16:57:32+00:00

When the price of sex can end up costing you a house and half your earnings many men will pass up on the opportunity.

I know a few dedicated bachelors. If they find a woman who is in same financial footing and pays her own way they hook up no strings. If not so be it.

justthrowmeout · 2023-04-19T15:49:27+00:00

>How tf are you supposed to meet women anymore? You can't approach them on the street,

It's not about the man's choice anymore. The women will choose what they want and let you know if you're chosen.

>It's almost as if men are being forced into a system where women have all the power.

That's basically what it is.

2023-04-19T16:55:53+00:00

>> It's almost as if men are being forced into a system where women have all the power.

Bingo! this is exactly what is happening and they wanted it to be like that. Dating is Bumble. You can't even talk to them until they talk to you first. And 80% of men are ignored and the top 20% of men get all the women. Yep. But I'm positive because soon we will have sex robots to replace all these worthless feminist modern women.

2023-04-19T13:44:42+00:00

You have be be a literal male model to be considered attractive by today's western women. Women's standards are increasing exponentially by the year. You have guys that would have been considered Chads 10 years ago becoming passport bros escaping to places where women are kind of forced to have more realistic standards.

geniice · 2023-04-19T09:13:41+00:00

Something I've noticed is that with the rise of feminism, less and less men are in relationships. In the past, it seemed like every guy had a wife.

Try looking at the 19th century or before. The "seemed like every guy had a wife" thing is very much the aftermath of WW1 and 2 where a mix of a large number of male deaths and limited economic opportunities for women meant there was massive pressure on both sides to get married.

You never heard of 30 year old permavirgins.

Of course you did. Even in popular culture they appear as eccentric uncles. While the modern reading would probably be "gay" that wasn't what was going on. At least amoung the middle classes and above there was pressure on men who would make unsuitable husbands to remain single.

The whole concept of eligible bachelor very much includes the non-eligible bachelor.

First and foremost, women's standards have increased drastically. in the past, women would just marry some guy from her village/town/whatever. Nowadays, they have BILLIONS of men to choose from. It's no longer about choosing a guy in spite of his flaws, but choosing a guy WITHOUT any flaws.

Nah most people still marry local and western cities hit the million mark in the 19th century. The driver is economic opportunity. In the 50s (which lets face it is the time period you are referring to) women's options were mostly marriage or poverty. That's no longer the case. This is a good thing. Fewer couples together out of economic necessity means fewer people stuck in unhappy relationships.

Second, most men are too afraid to approach women. In the past, men would buy women flowers and try to woo them. Nowadays, you can't even say hi to a woman on the street without being called a "creep" accused of harassment.

Well thats a step up from getting lynched which is what would have happened if you had tried it while being the wrong colour.

If if you are the right colour well sir you are a bounder and a cad for assailing random women in the street. The language changes but the intent remains the same.

How tf are you supposed to meet women anymore? You can't approach them on the street, you can't approach them at the gym, you can't approach them at the library, you can't approach them ANYWHERE.

Well none of those would have been historicaly acceptable anyway. We have lost many of the events where you would expect to be introduced to women. I doubt you have ever used a dance card (and can you even Do-si-do?) but its far from clear that feminism has had anything to do with that.

Even if you had been introduced a significant chunk of 19th century dating involved finding socialy acceptable ways to communicate.

I don't think I've ever met an old woman who was as loud, abrasive, and generally unpleasant to be around as the women from my generation.

The term Battle-axe dates to the early 20th century. But more broadly your interactions are going to be as much driven by your own behavior as much as anything else.

Feminism has completely ruined dating. It's conditioned women to no longer view human beings.

The reverse. The 50s society you are looking at through rose coloured glasses tended to push women into viewing men as walking wallets because the alternative was financially disastrous.

I don't want to play the part of dancing monkey, bending over backwards just to impress some woman

So don't. The fact you can spend a few hours playing someone you are not is hardly a solid basis for a relationship.

adkisojk · 2023-04-19T13:37:39+00:00

You don't think that the rise of "circumcision" has anything to do with it? The practice/ritual of "circumcision" of infants was at its highest point in the USA during the 60s and 70s, which are men in their 50s and 60s today. The damage done by it has only gotten worse with the inventions of bell methods (e.g. Gomco and Plastibell) as they remove far more of the inner mucosa and frenulum, so more and more young men are feeling far less down there than we were meant to feel. Now, I get that hormones and psychology play a big role too, but I feel emasculated by the fact that a significant part of my manhood was removed before I was old enough to have a say.

mcmur · 2023-04-19T16:57:17+00:00

Try dating in Canada. Its like feminist utopia over here. I am willing to bet that it is even worse than it is in the US.

In fact, based on my experiences in Europe and other parts of the world, Canada may have the worst dating scene in the developed world. It is truly bottom of the barrel awful here.

Glimmerofinsight · 2023-04-19T17:36:03+00:00

While I admit, there are a lot of really dumb women out there, who think feminism means dressing trashy and expecting not to be called trash.... there are also good, honest, intelligent women who want a real relationship.

Before I met my husband ten years ago, I went on a lot of internet dates. There were a lot of nice, yet clueless men who couldn't seem to walk out of the house in a clean T shirt or get a haircut or even get through one date without asking for sex or acting like you are their mom. There were also a lot of men with no hobbies except gaming. However, when I found a guy that didn't hate all women, that didn't ascribe to polarizing politics, wasn't addicted to porn, and could actually "adult," I snatched him right up.

I also heard a lot of horror stories about women acting terribly on first dates. We shouldn't expect you guys to pay for everything. We shouldn't talk shit about men in general or sleep with you on the first date and wonder why you never call us back. Hehe. We should have more respect for ourselves and show respect to the men who act like men.

How to act like a man that adult woman want to date:

Have varied interests or more than one thing you are passionate about.
Show interest in her outside of her ability to A. have sex B. have your baby
Dress yourself in clean, unwrinkled clothes, and if your mom still does your laundry, don't tell her that. (Learn how to do your own laundry.)
Know how to cook a basic dinner that doesn't come out of a box.
Be interested in learning about the world around you - and spend time watching more than just sports or playing online video games.
Don't make everything into a dirty joke.
Don't talk trash about people, especially the waiter/waitress.
Have respect for yourself. Don't put yourself down. Be confident. Don't walk around like a wounded puppy.
Keep a clean house. Slobs are not attractive.
If you wouldn't date a 35-year-old woman who has stuffed animals on her bed, then don't show her your lego collection or your action figures.

Ok, that's all I got. I think there are lots of good men and women out there. Most people are just trying to put on airs instead of being real. Being real is very attractive. You'd be surprised.

subooot · 2023-04-19T08:34:50+00:00

Feminism arose as a need to suppress machoism. After centuries of denied rights, women felt the need to formulate their rights in a manner that seems radical, but is so because it stands against male chauvinism. The opponent defines us as much as we define him.

I don't think any feminist who has heterosexual behavior wants to turn men away from her. She's just looking for a man who will see her as an equal intellectually and maybe even physically. The problem arises when a feminist makes a bad interpretation of what feminism actually is. It's not a fight against men; it's a fight against opinions and ideas about male supremacy over women.

Perhaps the modern woman does not want to be chosen, but to choose herself. Modern society frees women from age-old traditions where they could not decide much about their fate. We still see strong resistance in the East, in Arab countries where this tradition is strong, and women are even killed today if they reveal their hair in the most radical cases.

So, I don't see feminism as a problem why men approach women less and less because, in Western societies, women are no longer limited by traditional forms of behavior. Certainly, a modern woman no longer has a problem approaching a man as he once approached her. As Bob Dylan says, "The Times They Are A-Changin." What can a modern man who feels threatened by this change do? As evolution says, "Adapt or die out." The terrible truth, but it is the truth.

OlderNerd · 2024-03-28T22:34:14+00:00

Um... change yourself to make you more sexually attractive to women?

Why is this even a question?

Sad-Crazy1250 · 2025-01-13T19:41:48+00:00

Married with wife. Still sexless and same problem as mentioned above

ArcturasMooCow · 2023-04-19T15:45:42+00:00

Feminist, if you read anything on here, just go fook off. 🐮

beleidigtewurst · 2023-04-19T12:04:30+00:00

"Epidemic of sexless men", give me a f*cking break.

Boys are pounded at school, men are effed all across the board and the only thing you've come up with is that number of sex acts is lower than one wished it would be.

Feminism has completely ruined dating.

That swipe left/right shit has completely ruined some brains into thinking random hook-ups are something even remotely normal for females of our species.

Vaudeville_Clown · 2023-04-19T12:49:15+00:00

Wrong focus area, I think. The key factor is the growing amount of men who don't have access to jobs, and even if they do, fewer can live independently or afford any enjoyable lifestyle. Naturally there are men who have that but for various reasons still can't date, but the few people I know who this applies to, they aren't unhappy. They're a bit unfulfilled, but that's it. I don't worry for them much at all. Generally, since they actually make a decent living, they figure out something else to devote themselves to. In that they even have an advantage in that they can adopt interests, hobbies and politics that aren't considered attractive at all. This can make for a life of much more realised freedom than others can have.

Now I've started to stray, so back to the main point. Poverty is not only a major cause for lonely men, it also decides how well they find themselves in that situation.

Difficult-Lion-1288 · 2023-04-19T13:39:30+00:00

I see this is a problem online, but IRL. This seems to be either a non problem or a very recent problem specifically in the south. In high school I never struggled to get into a relationship and neither did the “traditionally” unattractive people. There seemed to be a pee for every pod. I did notice a difference in the online space when I moved to Washington state, but was still able to find success in the dating market, and saw some again, traditionally unattractive friends find their tinderella’s.

Sad-Independence9797 · 2023-04-19T17:35:55+00:00

Date guys! Seriously if you have a problem with women then just don’t date them

Used_Doughnut4393 · 2023-04-19T16:37:41+00:00

I don't think this thread understands that, generally speaking sexless men = sexless women. The vast majority of women don't use dating sites. If men aren't going out and hitting up women, then women have to find more creative ways to get laid. It's a disaster for both sides, but don't pretend that only one side is effected. Women have to work slightly harder at getting sex.

2023-04-19T17:30:31+00:00

Obv friends I have who have girlfriends have sex. But every other friend I have almost never gets sex except one friend I can think of who let's face it, is a prick

idkyoupickforme · 2023-04-19T19:56:54+00:00

People have become disposable. If I'm sick of my girlfriend I can make an online dating account and have a new one in ten minutes.

Women aren't as reliant on men, so they don't need to marry and have a bunch of kids by 25. But that creates single, lonely people.

But, people are far freer than ever before. There are pros and cons

Your_Agenda_Sucks · 2023-04-19T22:39:28+00:00

Just as learning about religion creates atheists, dating caused me to want to stop dating.

ehWoc · 2023-04-20T06:21:13+00:00

Women's standards have increased = feminists have ruined dating?

In the past, women would marry an abusive or intellectually inferior man from their village, yes, because they had no choice; they weren't financially independent and had to marry in order to survive.

OldSelf77 · 2023-04-19T09:18:55+00:00

Dating is not a right.

octaviostyle · 2023-04-19T14:30:03+00:00

Modern women are created just for one night stands or a week or month long fling. Women nowadays want to be taken care of when they bring nothing to the table. Their isnt anything that makes any women special or valuable other than being great at giving BJ's. I travel for work and I have no issues finding a women to get a free meal out of me, a gun night out and I sex in exchange.

DancingQueean · 2023-04-19T09:14:13+00:00

The vast majority of men still end upon relationships. However a small portion of men have resentment issues towards women. Angry that women have raised their standards too much. Angry that women are just after money. Fearful that women will falsely accuse them, their social capabilities are near zero so they dwell online to complain about women rather than trying to meet women. Then that anger gets more and more severe until they are radicalized by incel groups online that tell them they’re perfect, it’s women that are flawed and feminism is to blame.

It’s a pretty common tale.

SympatheticListener · 2023-04-19T12:38:01+00:00

I would argue that in the past, women still were attracted to men primarily based on how handsome and tall the prospects were. However, the women would have to compromise based on their desired life goal: if they wanted to start a family, then financial security would be a very high priority as one cannot work when pregnant with a child. Nowadays the social net of welfare and subsidized housing basically provides a guaranteed income and financial security, so past virtues such as responsibility, hard work and a good job mean much less to people nowadays. So not sure if feminism had any impact on dating scene at all.

slightlyabrasive · 2023-04-19T20:10:41+00:00

What in the neckbeard fuck are you on about...

Lets start by saying this is a sub for mens rights under law or issues men face that arnt addressed often enough. Its not for feminism bashing or puting down women who live their own lives and dont want to deal with you. The rights of men do not encompass having a womans attention.

The reason you cant find a woman is you have a shit personality. You personality alone probably turns off about a million women

RalfMurphy · 2023-04-19T11:53:31+00:00

I feel that OP is slightly misguided or incorrect on some points..... Women's standards haven't increased, for the large part I think things like security, companionship and strong social support circles have always been key for men to stand out since the dawn of time, but maybe their options (read: distinction between the use of standard vs options) have changed. Maybe some women now have the option of liking men who wear makeup and that's not your thing, so you immediately think all women have the same preferences that exclude you or the person you are naturally. I also think that 30yr old permavirgins as you put it are that way not because of anything women do. That's purely down to them and their lifestyle choices. I lost mine pretty late only until I decided to change and get out there and be someone attractive and datable. And I don't think your point on there being billions out there changes anything. You can easily stand out from the bottom few million by making a few tiny changes to your life to give yourself higher value. What, in most senses, men are growing weary of (myself included) are some of the aspects that come about during a relationship, the dynamics of which are changing today and are very unique to each relationship. Whatever a lot of men find unbearable or unwilling to compromise on for the sake of a relationship is what is drawing a lot of men (myself included) to prefer a life outside a monogamous, long term or committed relationship. And because of this choice, well a sexless life is something you either accept or not for the sake of your own lifestyle choices

FormalApplication103 · 2023-04-19T15:51:44+00:00

You spend too much time on the Internet

SnowBorn6339 · 2023-04-19T17:24:13+00:00

I don’t disagree that there’s a lot of man-hating feminists today, but that’s not the only explanation (and they are not the majority). I think the issue of sexless men is also a failure on men’s part to adapt to the current times. Women historically depended on men to survive, and that’s a major factor that kept relationships together in the past.

Today, women are no longer financially dependent on men. I don’t need to marry a man to survive. Yet, some men today still believe that their only role is to work and provide. It’s hard for men to accept that their role in society has shifted such that a major part of their masculine identity (the breadwinner) is no longer needed.

That doesn’t mean women don’t want or need men, it just means we are no longer interested in your tangible resources alone. Women need men in a new capacity that is foreign to many guys. I need a man in my life to comfort me, offer wisdom, challenge me intellectually, share in my humor, and emotionally bond as best friends would. It’s his emotional resources I’m after. So many men can and do successfully provide those qualities, as they have adapted to what women need today. But lots of guys still only offer a stable income and … well it stops there. Maybe those guys are emotionally withdrawn, or slightly boring, or they don’t view women as a true partner, friend, or intellectual equal. It’s those men who are struggling to satisfy women’s social-emotional needs.

So, it’s not that women don’t need men, it’s just that we need men in a different way than they’re used to. A lot of men don’t understand the value they can provide beyond a good job and they are struggling to break from a narrowly defined conception of what men are supposed to do. The men who can’t adapt and offer emotional resources will continue to struggle in dating because the product they offer is outdated. Just like how Sears struggled to adapt to modern times and went bankrupt.

ComprehensiveVoice98 · 2023-04-19T19:10:54+00:00

In the recent past, women had to get married. There were not many other opportunities and they could not support themselves. Women only got the right to vote about a hundred years ago. That changed with the rise of feminism because women got more rights and opportunities. They didn’t have to “just marry some guy”. There is no such thing as a person “without any flaws”.

It’s true many women don’t like to be approached by a stranger in public, but online dating is still not the only option. Many people meet through shared interests.

It’s totally fine if men don’t want to date women, or can’t find a woman that’s up to their standards. People are now more free to live their lives how they want, that’s good.

Many women view men as human beings, but they want something different than what a lot of men are willing to give, and that’s ok. I cannot tell you how many men, even on this sub, have asserted men don’t care about a woman’s education, career, sense of humor, etc they only care if you are young, beautiful and chaste. So basically, they aren’t interested in who a woman is as a person. Another narrative is the desperate 30 year old woman, with a “ticking clock” trying to find a provider. That’s been the narrative and it’s dehumanizing. If that’s what men want, a lot of them are going to be single, because women want an equal partner and many don’t want a partner at all.

Azihayya · 2023-04-19T21:10:19+00:00

I can't believe that you're bringing this shit here, first of all--but it's really pathetic that this sub is courting your bullshit, too. This does not belong in a Men's Rights subreddit--go post this dumb shit in r/purplepilldebate.

_H_a_c_k_e_r_ · 2023-04-19T13:40:36+00:00

I think men are responsible for this. Especially for their good will to create free society only for the same society to turn against them and take their rights as a revenge against men in the past.

superrrmanlee · 2023-04-19T11:09:36+00:00

ok but title says “sexless men” I don’t know if I’m misunderstanding but are you implying that women owe men sex?

Qantourisc · 2023-04-19T16:03:56+00:00

Nowadays, they have BILLIONS of men to choose from.

+ In the past, it seemed like every guy had a wife.

Also means they don't have a husband ... so they are also screwing themselves. It's all really confusing to me.

Edit: *In this case I was using husband/wife as a synonym to desired significant other.

hmonn · 2023-04-19T17:58:32+00:00

Yh I'm one of em lol

-FrankenBerry- · 2023-04-19T20:15:11+00:00

There are still some good women out there, but you really have to look.

odoof12 · 2023-04-19T15:22:12+00:00

the thing is there's a rise in sexless women as well and its going to get worse, femcels are already everywhere those are women who cant get laid or into relationships mostly by their own fault.

the thing is as we walk into the future more and more men are going to get fed up with dating and even sex and will go mgtow or just stop dating. this is because most women are toxic obviously not all but most this is mostly due to how their raised and treated by society.

the truth is its easier than ever for men to get sex, men just dont want too. the things men want are changing and women cant cope

Last_Life_Was_Nice · 2023-04-19T08:46:53+00:00

Enough with this incel shit. Move on with your life. Not having sex is not fatal

BloodandBerries · 2023-04-19T04:08:42+00:00

The world is evolving and women no longer care to coddle men. Either adapt with it or get left behind. It’s that simple.

Wasteofoxyg3n · 2023-04-19T21:41:48+00:00

Well, if you want an old fashioned relationship then you should fit traditional values.

Traditionally, a man was expected to get married in his early 20s to a woman close to him in age. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/visualizations/time-series/demo/families-and-households/ms-2.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiV7_ju8rb-AhXXEFkFHeL0D_QQFnoECBYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0H_IgnDzJR-RsJJ0plXxoJ

He was expected to be a Virgin at marriage, https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.openbible.info/topics/marriage_and_virginity&ved=2ahUKEwiGyZbA87b-AhWZEVkFHW1HDz4QFnoECBkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1g230S9FJu2S8kGkrUJio6

Pornography was strictly illegal and men who had watched it were considered obscene and perverted. https://time.com/4373765/history-obscenity-united-states-films-miller-ulysses-roth/

So, unless you are a young Virgin that's never looked at porn before, you would not like traditional roles for men.

Mac_McAvery · 2023-04-19T13:07:00+00:00

Almost three years for me.

okiedokey139 · 2023-04-19T20:40:16+00:00

First of all, wrong. All of this changed first with internet porn. It revenues more than the NFL NBA and MLB COMBINED. It’s just no one will put it in your face because there is money involved

Corran_Halcyon · 2023-04-19T21:00:45+00:00

Most modern women confuse the difference between "Standards" and "Preferences."

So many women talk about there "Standards" when most of what they list is a preference tied with that disconnect is the fact they call everything on that list a "Deal breaker."

A man's height is not a standard, it is a preference. A man's income is not a standard, it is a preference. A man treating you with love and respect is a standard. A man being faithful is a standard. For example.

My take away from these types of women is they will waste their youth and beauty chasing Chad's and Tyrone's. She fills herself with narcissisism, sorry "Self love" and will end up bitter and alone always demanding good, decent men accept her and asking where all the good men have gone.

docock329 · 2023-04-20T16:50:06+00:00

It’s for the best, at their point there really is no point to regularly deal with woman it’s a lost cause.

Educational_Bet_6606 · 2023-04-21T01:22:02+00:00

Yea there is a rise in men and women virgins and celibate.

2023-04-21T06:31:01+00:00

Please stop conflating sex with relationships. Even in the US it is a short flight to Nevada from any state/territory.

throawayyy123334455 · 2023-06-01T07:11:53+00:00

Woe is me. Boohoo.

Title	The rising epidemic of sexless men in feminist society
Author	Wasteofoxyg3n
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Date	April 19, 2023 1:43 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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