Stop the Gaslight 1: Bluepill

jay10033 · 2024-02-08T01:00:35+00:00

It's pretty simple. RP says, ignore what they say, watch what they do. BP sees the world as they think it should be and act accordingly for a world they believe is more "just" but that simply doesn't exist. It's pure ivory tower theory. They are proponents of taking people at their word while they ignore their actions.

steelsofwheel2 · 2024-02-07T22:00:02+00:00

It's been so long since redpill came about that some of its tenets seem like common sense now.

As a guy who reached adulthood before the red pill ever existed, I can tell you that a lot of it was already common sense. The red pill just packaged a bunch of common sense, mixed in some other stuff, and marketed it well to guys who are slow learners.

I really feel like there's a relationship between increasing rates of autism and the growth of the red pill. Autistic guys lack social common sense and are more likely to need a rigid set of parameters like TRP.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2024-02-07T21:02:41+00:00

The blue pill is definable

fails to define it other than saying it’s anti RP

DarayRaven · 2024-02-07T21:48:22+00:00

Essentially Bluepill is just the beliefs you were sold about men/women in your upbringing environment(peers,parents,teachers,culture,media)

That's so many Bluepillers are so naive/ignorant when you confront them with real empiricism about gender dynamics, how things really are such as

Hypergamy

80/20 rule

AF/BB

Absolutism vs emotionalism

Valuable-Marzipan761 · 2024-02-07T20:51:52+00:00

All the pills are undefinable. You will regularly see red pill people argue about which is the correct red pill position, and there's no way to settle one of these disputes.

operation-spot · 2024-02-07T20:47:42+00:00

I don’t think anyone’s ever said that there’s just one thing men need to do to be seen as attractive.

I say this with kindness but it just sounds like you are missing nuance and social cues.

boom-wham-slam · 2024-02-08T01:39:43+00:00

The have specific definitions.

Blue pill is follow society narrative.

Red pill is to ignore society narrative and seek to build knowledge from fact about how reality is.

They are concepts not specifics so in different situations they can be different things but the concept definition is unchanging.

It applies to more than dating as well. Anything where there is some overall narrative being pushed or taught or programmed is a red blue pill situation.

richard_golbes · 2024-02-07T21:05:31+00:00

Blue-pill was coined by the redpill

No. "Blue-pill" was already an essential component of the metaphor that the red-pill folks stole from the Matrix film.

New83659 · 2024-02-07T20:48:06+00:00

I think you might be confusing the redpill and the blackpill a little here. Wouldn't most redpillers agree that women are less visual than men?

ThatLeval · 2024-02-07T21:13:56+00:00

You do understand that the whole RedPill BluePill thing comes from the Matrix. Where the RedPill is the one that lets him see reality and the BluePill is the one that takes him to the illusion. So in that context the RedPill is the dignified choice and demonstrates how the whole pill ideology was created by Redpillers and the BluePill is just the enemy pill. Delusional Redpillers believe they see the harsh truth and label those that disagree with them as BluePillers who refuse to accept reality and choose to be comforted by the illusion. So BluePill is not an actual standalone ideology and it is indefinable since the RedPill struggle to have coherent consistent ideas. They just move the goalpost around

bluestjuice · 2024-02-08T00:48:47+00:00

Please, I am begging you; stop using ‘gaslight’ for any occasion when someone expresses a differing opinion or has a different perspective.

Left-Yesterday7457 · 2024-02-07T20:47:44+00:00

Most men just haven't experienced a woman being "gaga" over them which is why they believe all of that stupid gaslighting bullshit.

Soloandthewookiee · 2024-02-08T00:33:01+00:00

Blue-pill was coined by the redpill as a catch all term for generally accepted social beliefs in dating Such as :

Women are less visuals than men

Just be a good person

You will find your person eventually.

The worst thing she can say is no.

If you are alone then there is something wrong with you

Niceguys are the worst. Etc

Probably 6 and maybe 4, the rest is just red pill projection bullshit that comes from ignoring what is actually said and substituting what is convenient to your ideology instead.

Yes, The bluepill subreddit is reactionary

Red pill is reactionary. It's an offshoot of the MRA movement that was explicitly created in reaction to feminism becoming more popular.

KorinTowerFreeloader · 2024-02-08T13:30:35+00:00

Women have way higher physical standards than men, so women are more visual than men, not less.
Yet, studies show criminals, abusers, etc. are more successful with women than the rest of the guys.
An alpha widow, with a 1000 cock stare looking for some man to pay for her life.
Women are just as capable of acting crazy, if not more, as men.
I will make sure to let the 50% (by 2030) of single/childless women between the ages of 20-45 know.
Refer to point 2. Sure, they are the worst. Organized, boring, don't end up in jail, pay their taxes, don't engage in dangerous/reckless activities.

uknoimright · 2024-02-07T20:46:26+00:00

niceguys are the worst tho

krafterinho · 2024-02-07T21:35:08+00:00

I'm sorry for the people who are so deep in this pill shit that they think the reality is gaslighting

januaryphilosopher · 2024-02-07T21:19:54+00:00

If that was true, not only would it go against how both pills defined it but also most people would have no pill at all which would make the whole system quite useless.

SmallSituation6432 · 2024-02-07T20:48:35+00:00

lol.

Everyone loves an underdog right?

SmallSituation6432 · 2024-02-07T22:57:37+00:00

So, RP names itself after the pill representing reality and the truth, and then everyone else names goes along with BP to mock you, and dammit that's just unfair! Take me seriously guys!

UVIV · 2024-02-08T03:53:38+00:00

Nice guys are the worst is not a blue pill belief.

Blue pill believes that you should be a NICE guy.

If you are alone then there’s something wrong with you is also not a blue pill belief.

WilliamWyattD · 2024-02-08T01:08:15+00:00

Women are less visual than men in many respects. Doesn't mean male looks don't matter.

Known-Damage-7879 · 2024-02-08T06:44:31+00:00

I thought that red pill was mostly around behaviour and status, coining the “alpha fucks, beta bucks” thing and that if you ever wanted to be in a relationship you had to do stuff like dread game to keep her around.

Later the blackpill came in with emphasizing how genetics were the be-all-end-all of attraction, things like height, race, and jaw size.

njayinthehouse · 2024-02-09T04:17:11+00:00

It's not gaslight. If that's what you think Bluepill is, contact the mods and have them edit the user flair descriptions. I'm Bluepill by that definition. I don't subscribe strongly to most of those tenets. I guarantee plenty of other so-called Bluepillers out here don't either.

OpticalEpilepsy · 2024-02-07T21:06:12+00:00

Bluepillers are almost always left wing and feminist so its not just anti redpill. They want men who fail to attract women when being a good person and also not attempting to be attractive for women (just be yourself) to give up or lower their standards.

Leaving-trunk2 · 2024-02-07T21:02:58+00:00

I’d argue that red pill is conventional wisdom and blue pill is a new thing.

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NefariousnessMost660 · 2024-02-08T03:33:12+00:00

Most blue pill redditors, correctly or incorrectly labeled, are impossible to reason with and from what I've noticed, will always tell you to follow rule 2. You got rejected 100 times - keep following rule 2. You spent 1000 dollars on her, and she still won't even kiss you - keep following rule 2. Your crush dated you as a joke and now the video has gone viral on TikTok - keep following rule 2.

Hence, I just block and move on. Even FDS users got more things right than they did.

HamzaAghaEfukt · 2024-02-08T08:07:57+00:00

Aren’t the blue pilled opinions mentioned by OP rooted in bigotry and hatred against men?

SecondEldenLord · 2024-02-08T13:39:26+00:00

BP is just delusion and nothing more. They see the world with thei eyes and never think what's behind the curtain.

CraftyCooler · 2024-02-08T14:26:48+00:00

Both sexes are visuals but there is plenty of other factors taken into account. I believe that regarding visuals it is rather 0-1 scale than 0-10, either someone looks acceptable and other factors play a role or someone is unacceptable and there us nothing to discuss about.
It's true - you can be overall a good person and still be assertive, not naive, have own opinion, even be terrible at times. Being a bad person will get you nowhere, you will only surround yourself with shitty people.
This true even from statistical point if view.
'She' can be rude or do some insane stuff, but majority of women will say 'no' and if you will just walk away without making drama you can actually earn some respect.
Well - majority of normies had first 'girlfriend' being 14-15, and first sex probably before 20. It is strange if you've never kissed a girl while being 25, unless you are seriously disabled/ill or for religious reasons. What should we say to you ? Maybe you need to address some other issues first ?
Niceguy doesnt mean a guy that is actually ok person. Niceguy is a fake guy having hidden agenda behind his behavior. It is disgusting and sleazy.

WANT_SOME_HAM · 2024-02-08T16:52:58+00:00

First off, I think this whole ____pill thing is unbelievably fucking dorky and stupid, and I've only got this flair because the subreddit made me.

Second, if you think any form of _____pill is the default, mainstream position, you've just outed yourself as someone whose perception of reality is blurred by spending way too much time online.

Third, both terms are incredibly vaguely defined, and almost always used either as a straw man describing the other side's position. Case in point: This.

Whenever I see posts like this, I'm fascinated by the lack of self-awareness. What you're really communicating is "I haven't been listening to what others tell me and just assume they hold all these dumb opinions."

I've seen this a lot when talking to Incels. Whenever they're describing what they think non-Incels are saying, it's always something like this:

"1. Physical appearance has ZERO impact on your ability to find a woman.

All women are perfectly little angels who do nothing wrong.
All lonely men are terrible people who should be bullied."

And so on. Nobody is actually saying these things, but since Incels never listen, this is what they assume others are telling them

coping_man · 2024-02-09T10:09:02+00:00

people say bluepill is just "Not red pill" (hence my flair) but this is true, most bluepillers end up reverting to the same caricatured and already debunked talking points. and for some reason always seem to package it with liberal/leftist views, progressivism, and feminism. how strange.

wonder why we don't see more bluepillers with other backgrounds than well-off white collar western upper middle class people... couldn't be that they're overrepresented with their luxury beliefs.

Title	Stop the Gaslight 1: Bluepill
Author	AdEffective7894s
Upvotes	32
Comments	175
Date	February 7, 2024 8:44 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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