"Feminism is for everyone"

anticommon · 2014-08-17T11:30:08+00:00

How dare a man be emotional or in pain!! Man up!!

unbannable9412 · 2014-08-17T11:38:25+00:00

"...but but..you don't understand, IT'S SATIRE SHITLORD!!"

There's really only one thing that disgusts me more than bigots, it's dishonest people.

If you're a hateful bigoted shithead, but honest about it at the very least.

XXXmormon · 2014-08-17T12:14:39+00:00

It's amazing how a woman can wear her complete lack of empathy for males on her sleeve under the guise of it being "satire" and that they actually believe their own bullshit.

Creep3rkill3r · 2014-08-17T14:30:36+00:00

Reverse the situation, what kind of a sicko would drink out of a "Female Tears" cup?

carlsaganfuture · 2014-08-17T13:08:16+00:00

I've been told feminism is for everyone numerous times over the last few days. I called bullshit on it every time only to be told that REAL feminism is for everyone.

The no true scotsman fallacy is alive and well in the feminism circle. When they start policing their own, I'll listen. I think I'll be waiting awhile on that one.

BenderB-Rodriguez · 2014-08-17T15:17:31+00:00

"Feminism" or as I call it neo-feminism is utter bullshit that is destroying societies. If you really believe in feminism's core ideals then go help women and children in Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, etc. Etc where women are property and have very little rights. And where it is routine for 11, 12, and 13 year old girls to be married to 40+ year olds.

SlootShamer · 2014-08-17T12:47:55+00:00

I think it's delicious that feminism fundamentally operates on the basis of traditionalist social dynamics and aesthetics.

First world liberal feminism is essentially women who can't shaking down men who can - a story as old as humanity itself.

Themadbarista · 2014-08-17T12:34:54+00:00

This seems more like propaganda than actively fighting for men's rights.

Sutter_Cane_ · 2014-08-17T14:13:08+00:00

I love this. It's actually a pretty emotional picture.

But I cannot, on moral grounds, save this...due to that MS Paint red outline.

TracyMorganFreeman · 2014-08-17T15:18:51+00:00

Feminism is for everyone...as long as you shutup and toe the ideological line.

They're working on it.

conspiracy_thug · 2014-08-17T15:31:40+00:00

I want a female tears cup now

pvtshoebox · 2014-08-17T16:52:59+00:00

Currently there is a AskFeminists post (np) about this. Those defending the trend are not the radical fringe, they are the norm (at least as far as Reddit goes).

gazork_chumble_spuzz · 2014-08-17T18:43:50+00:00

Feminism isn't for everyone. It's for everyone who adheres to the tenets of their ideology. I do not, because I do not support most abortion. So no matter how many times I say that I am very strongly supportive of equality for everyone, I get told that I must not understand feminism or I'm a troll or a misogynist (which cracks me up, because I'm a woman) and then I get banned from feminist spaces. It's not for everyone. It's exclusionary.

ArchangelleBonerEnvy · 2014-08-17T18:49:47+00:00

Feminism is a two-faced movement. I've never actually run into a rational feminist who would tell me to my face a lot of the ridiculous shit they say, it's always those "other" feminists who ruin the entire bunch.

The reality, however, is that when they're hunkered down in their perceived echo chamber they open up and start spreading the more toxic feminist viewpoints. Since nobody, and I mean NOBODY in the feminist movement has the balls to say "well I don't know, isn't that a little crazy?" when someone says something ridiculously extreme. They instead go along with them in order to avoid the risk of being viewed as an "MRA" or whatever the terms they use are. So those ridiculous views tend to persist.

Another huge thing is that they continuously use buzzwords and emotion to shut down views that someone may be crossing the line, usually using the assumption that all men do something (who knows what that actually is) to deserve it. How about this one we've all seen:

Feminist: All men should literally die in a fire

Anti-SJW: Umm, isn't that a little crazy, Hitler?

Feminist: Why should I be nice to my oppressor?

Then the conversation ends, because no feminist would be caught dead attempting to argue that even just one man is not in an "oppressive" position. So we have two sides to each feminist: both attempting to be rational in front of skeptics and talk down the "bad feminists" yet at the same cater to and allow those exact same ridiculous, toxic viewpoints to fester unopposed in private.

2014-08-17T16:31:19+00:00

reminds me of the Haim video for the song The Wire. The three girl bandmates all have sensitive boyfriends, who they subsequently mock and leave. Lots of male crying, which they find humorous.

Feminists have told men they need to be sensitive, but when men act sensitive we're mocked and belittled. That's equality for you.

funnyrapejokes · 2014-08-17T16:07:39+00:00

This is brilliant, thank you.

Tmomp · 2014-08-17T15:10:00+00:00

That's some serious privilege to express such cruelty with such smiles with so little expectation of repercussion.

I doubt anyone who supports such expressions would read this, but if you do, just take a second and imagine yourself from another person's perspective. Have some compassion for people with less social and political power than you. Think about your motivations.

Kallamez · 2014-08-17T20:21:11+00:00

And we are the insensitive ones. Huh. Fascinating.

CauisCosades · 2014-08-17T19:55:46+00:00

The picture of the injured toddler makes me especially sad.

slideforlife · 2014-08-17T11:09:34+00:00

poignant. shared.

Griddamus · 2014-08-17T11:40:49+00:00

Am I missing something? Is there a point to this beside increasing contempt for these women?

KillJoy575 · 2014-08-17T18:14:31+00:00

Molsenator · 2014-08-17T18:46:30+00:00

Too bad for them I never cry.

BlueDoorFour · 2014-08-18T03:24:08+00:00

Many of us in the MRM joke about how "we're all a bunch of fedora-donning, neckbearded, basement-dwelling misogynists," and so on. It's a joke because that's how the outside world tends to see us, and we know it isn't true (well, maybe a couple... it is the internet after all).

Feminists seem to believe that those who reject feminism do so solely because they believe it to be about man-hating. Since it soooo obviously isn't in any way negative toward men, they should embrace that stereotype and laugh about it. Right? Now, we can debate about whether or not feminism actually is about hate, but the fact is that feminists don't believe it is (often through enormous doublethink). They legitimately believe that the "male tears" is just a joke, like atheists joking about eating babies. They think it's so absurd that anyone would believe such a thing, so they embrace it.

Now imagine how it'd look if someone used a joke about eating babies as evidence that atheists are infanticidal lunatics?

I happen to agree that feminism shows an enormous lack of empathy for the concerns of men. While they may take the "Male Tears" mug as a kind of satire, I'd say it's pretty much spot-on for how much of a shit they give about men. Still, it makes us look stupid to take it seriously. Use actual examples of misandry. Don't bother with what they write off as satire.

2014-08-17T14:23:41+00:00

I genuinely feel sorry (no sarcasm) for these filthy subhumans. They don't have the intellect or the moral fiber to be responsible adult human beings. Tsk...tsk.

minecraftstan · 2014-08-17T22:19:37+00:00

Someone should make a mug that has the words "FEMALE EQUALITY" on it.

DavidByron2 · 2014-08-18T00:26:02+00:00

They really don't see how damaging this sort of thing is to their image. That's what living in a goldfish bowl of hate does for you.

GamerSam · 2014-08-18T00:39:08+00:00

I had a mild argument with a girl who tried to tell me I was masplaining when I said feminism is a gender based thought. Feminine means female, I didn't stating a fact was male oppression.

Number357 · 2014-08-18T01:47:51+00:00

The center photo with the shirt is Jessica Valenti, who tweeted that picture. Then a couple weeks later Robin Williams killed himself, and she made a tweet about it. So somebody responded by tweeting her the picture of her in the "I bathe in male tears" shirt.

simplycrow · 2014-08-20T20:55:44+00:00

The problem is that Feminism really strives to change males rather than change the current Gender-Scale Tip, that's like telling Women to get off their period mood swings.

sirwartooth · 2014-08-17T13:15:57+00:00

It's like someone yelling racial slurs and then when the downtrodden by racism complain they explain, oh but it wasn't meant to hurt your feelings. You an actual victim of bigotry and oppression. It was meant to hurt another group or individual. It wasn't directed at you.

Granted it is more of an issue when hate and abuse is directed at the actually oppressed, the fact that they're not is a very meager excuse very showing of your true character. You think you're absolved just because you weren't intent on hurting anyone but the deserving?

Men may not be oppressed or suffer like women do, but I'll be damned if I'm ever going to laugh at men and let those men who do who hurt and suffer every day see it and try to excuse myself when they come to me asking why with that is wasn't directed at them.

Congratulations to whoever made the "male tears thing" and all the other mokery, while you might not have spit in the face of the oppressed you've still spit in the face of a great many men who suffer through serious issues whether you wanted to or not and who won't understand your mockery.

You're bad person. A cruel fuck. Fuck you for making everything worse.

ttnorac · 2014-08-17T23:45:28+00:00

Aren't those "Male Tears" cups actually made by a men's rights group?

songofrebellion · 2014-08-18T06:22:07+00:00

These comments... rp is leaking.

BurchaQ · 2014-08-17T12:06:48+00:00

I just don't see how photos of random sadistic people is related to feminist movement in general.

I wholeheartedly agree that the feminist movement overstepped its bounds, but the kind of information I care for is about things like ridiculous court cases, scientific research, personal experience of people who think being a male put them in situations they couldn't handle. Stuff that matters.

This is just hate mongering towards women who were probably victims themselves.

KevyB · 2014-08-17T16:15:12+00:00

Hopefully each and every one of these bitches comes down with cancer, would be nice :)

sirwartooth · 2014-08-17T18:18:50+00:00

I say we install a real patriarchy... Lets see who cries then.

andeathSWE · 2014-08-17T21:01:05+00:00

This "bathing in male tears" was a very ignorant thing to do. I am not sure if Jessica Valenti realize that.

However, using it as propaganda shows that we act just like the very dogmatic feminists we laugh at.

As soon as someone in the mrm sais something stupid about women, certain feminists use that in their propaganda to "expose" the whole mrm as misogynistic. (Which is irrational)

I understand the frustration, but let us not stoop to their level of dishonesty.

Memyselfsomeotherguy · 2014-08-17T12:50:29+00:00

This isn't about supporting men in hard places or calling out people on hypocrisy. This is just a visual version of yelling.

EDIT:While I'm not fond of the post itself the discussion in the comments is sound.

brickstick · 2014-08-17T21:41:29+00:00

This is horseshit, thanks for the anecdote you've associated with something else.

Haindelmers · 2014-08-17T14:39:33+00:00

/r/forwardsfromgrandma

itsmassive · 2014-08-17T14:08:53+00:00

This makes /r/mensrights look kind of childish

bednarowski · 2014-08-17T12:07:55+00:00

MRAa has bad image because pictures like this so I thought it would be last place to see this shit.

thestillnessinmyeyes · 2014-08-17T16:47:30+00:00

I'm sure this will get downvoted but that's ok...

the whole "male tears" thing isn't about belittling the actual problems, hardships and genuine emotional struggles that men face too. those require full sympathy and support. you're allowed to feel sad, angry, scared, disappointment, etc, and those feelings are 100% valid, regardless of gender, as long as you do not purposely injure others within those moments.

the "male tears" thing is specifically referring to those moments when a guy comes into a conversation about something practically serious re: women's issues, let's take the wage gap for example, and while we are talking about ways to try to even that out, he starts on with "well men always have to pay for dates!" we are talking about our living wages, about our income and money for food, rent, medical expenses, child care, and your biggest qualm is with this social norm historically applied and upheld by men BECAUSE of the gender wage gap (historically, if a woman couldn't work/ make a living wage, how was she supposed to pay for anything?) that doesn't actually affect your overall fiscal wellbeing.

basically, it's not about silencing the real and systematic injustices that men face, and there are some, like the tendency to forget that men suffer from domestic assault at higher rates than women, that men are raped too at alarming rates, or stereotyping mothers as caregivers so that, come custody battle, even though the mother is a human shaped piece of shit, she still gets the kids, etc. what it IS about are the times that me. derails serious disparities in justice/ equality with asinine garbage. things like "well it's hard for men to get jobs as grade school teachers!" vs "it's hard for women to get [fair paying] jobs in ANY sector" or "women navigating social situations trying not to end up in the hands of a rapist and then being blamed for her own assault bec of what she was wearing or who she had sex with previously" vs "being labeled a creep."

male tears are to real mens issues as cracker is to nigger

one may hurt your feelings and/ or personal sensibilities but it does not carry the weight of an actual, historical and living systematic injustice that negatively impacts millions for generations. and a lot of men do a disservice to your own movements (the same way shitty "feminists" do) when you behave as though your personal sensibilities are more important than an entire demographic's greater good and equality.

Title	"Feminism is for everyone"
Author	ShitLordXurious
Upvotes	875
Comments	247
Date	August 17, 2014 8:29 AM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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