The clearest proof we live in the worst rape culture ever in history

IrateMollusk · 2016-03-25T11:32:29+00:00

It started going violently downhill after 1993. I was born in 1993.

Is there a connection? Well, we can't be certain there isn't one.

Armigedon · 2016-03-25T11:39:08+00:00

Data?!

You want to use data?

What kind of person uses data to back up their claims nowadays?

publicbigguns · 2016-03-25T11:33:38+00:00

Oh don't you worry, they'll get those numbers back up with all the new types of rape they invent... (Example: birth rape)

AloysiusC · 2016-03-25T16:13:46+00:00

Feminist response: Proof that women are too afraid to report because of victim blaming. Therefore rape culture.

If crime stats go up again, then that will be proof that rape is on the rise. Therefore rape culture.

If nothing changes, proof that nothing is being done and society doesn't mind rape. Therefore rape culture.

Anyone notice a pattern yet?

TheRealMouseRat · 2016-03-25T11:58:22+00:00

If it stops being taboo for men to come forward when they have been raped by women, then the graph will go back up again though.

nickmista · 2016-03-25T11:50:44+00:00

I'm actually surprised to see it had peaked around the mid 90's and was lower before that.

Really to draw the conclusion your implying you would need a much longer dataset to confirm there is an overall downwards trend. That peak may be a blip in an overall downwards trend or upwards trend, though I suspect the former.

Archibald_Andino · 2016-03-25T11:49:37+00:00

The middle east and in Africa, actually, does have a true "rape cultures". It fascinates me the way feminists more or less ignore what is going on in the Muslim world.

marckshark · 2016-03-25T14:56:59+00:00

I am definitely not trying to deny that there is an obviously significant trend downwards in this graph, but this is not a best practice for displaying this type of data.

The Y axis does not start at 0
The population has increased significantly since 1972 (~210m vs 2015 ~319m) and while this is attempting to represent per-capita reports, it still does not segment the population in any other way, show total reports against this, or anything else
The "Rape Rate" is ambiguous - is this reported rapes, rape convictions, unique instances of rape, a metric that is calculated by the sociological extrapolation of number of reported rates plus a guess of the number of unreported rapes, some other metric that somehow actually shows "rape rate" (number of people raped or total rapes that occur)?

The spirit of the post also does not take into account that while the trend is negative, it is still not at 0. Rapes are still occurring, and saying "not all men rape" or simply sniping at the (probably incorrect) assertion that this point in history is showing the highest rate of rapes is not productive. This could be a call to action, one that people could use to say "Great! Something is working! Let's do more of this to get it down to 0!"

EjaculationStorm · 2016-03-25T12:08:46+00:00

So what happened in the early 90s that made these figures go down so rapidly?

citizenadvocate09 · 2016-03-25T19:48:14+00:00

Link to the original source, May 17, 2014 Mark J. Perry, American Enterprise Institute, blog: http://www.aei.org/publication/before-declaring-that-theres-a-rape-epidemic-in-the-us-has-anybody-bothered-to-check-the-actual-data-apparently-not/

zktr · 2016-03-25T20:36:05+00:00

Looks like the rape rate is directly proportional to mainstream music quality. Hmm...

joedapper · 2016-03-25T15:40:13+00:00

I just want to check in on this word - culture that is being attached to rape. You see, culture is a learned thing, passed down generation to generation. For people to be saying that there is a rape culture is for them to be saying that rape is taught and passed down and that simply isn't the case.

CreamPop · 2016-03-25T15:57:27+00:00

Well let's not forget before all this technology it would have been crazy easy to get away with crimes. No fingerprints, blood test, cameras, and so on.

abortionalchild · 2016-03-25T14:14:09+00:00

And we should keep driving it down

scanspeak · 2016-03-25T20:47:05+00:00

Note the strong inverse correlation between obesity rates and rape rates.

dangrullon87 · 2016-03-25T12:32:13+00:00

Well when you water down rape to include any "sexual" looks, normal physical contact like helping someone up, then year Rape sky rockets. Thanks feminism.

dalore · 2016-03-25T17:35:31+00:00

Does this include prison rape of men on men?

PhilWylie · 2016-03-25T17:12:27+00:00

Important to note I think too is that this isn't just the trend for rapes, it's the trend for all violent crime generally.

So during a time when we have the least amount of violent crime and the least amount of rape - possibly in our entire history as a civilization - we have near hysteria to disarm the people and push a rape culture narrative.

What the fuck is the weird aspect of humans that causes us to act like this?

NB3sicks_tea · 2016-03-25T17:20:47+00:00

Couldn't this be uplifting news? Or am I interpreting the map wrong.

overtmind · 2016-03-25T17:46:22+00:00

Feminists: "Our efforts are working! Don't stop the fight now! Fuck cis white men!"

jidery · 2016-03-25T18:40:22+00:00

Hzle · 2016-03-25T18:59:51+00:00

Well in the UK we have government reports with statistics (based on questionnaires - I know, I know...) suggesting that 90,000 people are raped annually - compared to the 1000 or so convictions...

The estimates I hear seem to go up by about 8,000 to 10,000 every year. 75,000 one year, then 85,000, now I think the latest estimate is 93,000.

Now these questionnaires are awful research, but it's incredibly powerful ammunition for feminist propaganda. Very difficult to reason with people - they're persuaded already...

apullin · 2016-03-25T19:37:53+00:00

There is a competing effect of increasing the scope, classification, and reporting of rapes and "rapes". I've unfortunately lost the writeup I had now, but in ~2006, RAINN had some stats about the number rapes in the US, which was cited in an article. Then, if you go and check their more modern version of the same page, the count was 5x higher in 2014.

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UyhAEqbnp · 2016-03-26T02:23:58+00:00

terrible. As patriarchy grows stronger, the rape count gets more and more underreported

ImanShumpertplus · 2016-03-26T04:30:58+00:00

Yeah but you're forgetting about the fact that 99% of rapes are undocumented and that 3 in every 1 girls gets raped

griii2 · 2016-03-26T08:49:29+00:00

Can not upvote because of the misleading base on the graph. 0 is base, not 20.

iamnotfromtexas90 · 2016-03-25T14:02:05+00:00

My Womyn's Studies professor told me they would try to trick me with numbers! LIES!

nuesuh · 2016-03-25T15:08:20+00:00

YOU'RE A FUCKING WHITE MALE

Ultramegasaurus · 2016-03-25T13:22:05+00:00

Feminism is not about reducing rape, why else would they cry about every practical measure women could take to prevent rape? Grossly expanding rape definitions also ridicules this topic. No to feminists, it's only about the outrage, the moral supeority and the anti-male narratives and laws they can push through.

th3STlG · 2016-03-25T12:54:34+00:00

On a side note, why would a person feel there was such a spike? Talking about things like this, you would think for most of time they would be fairly consistent.

off_the_grid_dream · 2016-03-25T13:41:17+00:00

This just means women aren't reporting it!

/s just in case

dahdly · 2016-03-25T14:38:11+00:00

these stats are amazing considering all the things that are, of late, considered rape.

electricalnoise · 2016-03-25T21:31:02+00:00

It's interesting that it started going down right when Bill Clinton started being surrounded by secret service and press 24/7.

Bailie2 · 2016-03-25T14:50:51+00:00

I'm kind of surprised the number is so low to begin with. I think what really happened is the way we viewed sex and male female interactions changed, rape reports became more credible and reporting went up. Then investigation tech like DNA and micro recorders or looking up peoples stupid facebook posts became more common on so evidence against reporting went up and actual rape went down.

Havikz · 2016-03-25T16:08:57+00:00

I love the incredibly obvious arrow pointing downwards.

deadfallpro · 2016-03-25T16:17:26+00:00

You are assuming that they use fact and logic in their arguments, that's your first mistake.

herewehoagain · 2016-03-25T16:59:23+00:00

Same time as when crime in general dropped, thanks to abortions.

bigeyedbunny · 2016-03-25T17:53:19+00:00

By the way, even so, the feminists will just say "yeah, well, only like 0,0000000001% of rape cases get punishment, so that means you just don't KNOW every woman gets raped three times a day, DUH, it's all because of the patriarchy".

They invent any kind of a lie to claim they have it worse than absolutely anyone else...

Proteus_Marius · 2016-03-25T17:57:25+00:00

Well, since your data ends at 2013, I'm sure we saw a positive delta-function spike in reports after that.

mistamike3443 · 2016-03-25T18:39:11+00:00

25 what?

TheRealBaseborn · 2016-03-25T19:15:10+00:00

Notorious B.I.G. started recording his first major album in 1993. It was at that point that maximum gangster had been reached. You just couldn't be any harder than that. By the time Biggie released One More Chance in 95' the rap culture had shifted greatly from robbing, looting, and raping "bitches" to dealing, poppin' bottles, and seducing "bitches" by flashing the cash you earned. He also brought down the spread of HIV with a single rhyme: "I used to get feels on a bitch. Now I throw shields on the dick, to stop me from that HIV shit."

Violent crime continued to drop throughout Biggie's career and even more so upon his tragic death. He died a martyr.

Biggie changed everything.

Biggie made us better people.

Let's all have a moment of silence for the hero, Biggie Smalls, A.K.A. Notorious B.I.G.

Thatskindamessedup · 2016-03-25T19:29:24+00:00

Isn't the decline about the same time Clinton started locking up blacks?

BagelBenny · 2016-03-25T19:42:45+00:00

I'm horrible at math, but wouldn't this mean that during the peak of this sorta activity .045% of the population size had been raped? Lemme know if I just royally fucked up my math. Either way we can all agree rape is horrible but the hysteria level seems far over blown.

the_omega99 · 2016-03-25T21:27:44+00:00

To be fair, when people say "rape culture", they don't mean just the number of reported rapes. They also refer to things like whether victims are shamed for coming forward, the media presentation (the Steubenville case comes to mind), and yes, the treatment of those who are falsely accused.

That said, I think you have to be absolutely crazy to think things are getting worse. They seem to clearly be getting better to me. Stuff like spousal rape is now correctly classified as rape (which is as recent as 1993), the number of rapes has gone down (as the OP shows), and there's far more awareness of what rape includes (particularly for rape of men, which was underrepresented in the past).

I'm kinda going against a straw man here, but some people seem to act like rape culture doesn't exist. It's often misportrayed and exaggerated, but elements are still there.

Hamakua · 2016-03-25T23:45:16+00:00

Related - Steven Pinker in a ted talk speaking about the surprising decline of violence over the ages.

espositojoe · 2016-03-26T06:01:48+00:00

Worse than Syria, Iraq, or Yemen? There's no talking truth to knee-jerk man haters who masquerade as feminists.

FakeFakeAlias · 2016-03-26T11:03:03+00:00

Oli_ 23 points 18 hours ago

Paint naming aside, rape is fucking everywhere now. Family member is allergic to it and now it's in almost every food type that used to have vegetable oil as an ingredient.

Mayonnaise, pastries, crisps, you name it. There's very few brands still using old style vegetable oils.

fact_hunt 48 points 18 hours ago

We live in a society with an ingrained rape culture

This is from over at /r/unitedkingdom when some woman got all upset over the wording on a paint tin.

10questionSurvey · 2016-03-26T14:37:31+00:00

Lol... There is no rape culture, if in 2013 only 25 women in 100,000 were raped, I don't see where the Epidemic of rape culture is coming from. The statistics show that in 2013 there were only 25 criminally dangerous men demented enough to actually go and rape a woman. I think the hysteria surrounding rape is disproportionate to the actual rate of crime. I'm fairly confident more men are falsely accused of rape each year and the effort should be balance to help these men instead,

PotatoDonki · 2016-03-31T03:11:54+00:00

As a victim of sexual violence, this graph invalidates my experience.

LackingTact19 · 2016-03-25T14:00:33+00:00

As you can clearly see by focusing on only 2002-2003, rape numbers are skyrocketing! That's the only part you need to look at

THEJAZZMUSIC · 2016-03-25T15:12:23+00:00

You know, they could just as easily argue that this downward trend is the result of 20 years of combatting a terrible rape culture.

bleepbloopblorpblopy · 2016-03-25T16:20:45+00:00

so couldn't an increase in efforts to pursue women's rights be the reason for this downward trend?

no_lungs · 2016-03-25T16:56:25+00:00

Oh but 99.xyz number of rapes are unreported.

socalova · 2016-03-25T22:50:49+00:00

I think a lot of those discussing rape focus on progress that we can continue to make, and do accept we live in an awesome society, and can build on that to do even better.

Nulono · 2016-03-25T13:11:34+00:00

Is the red arrow really necessary?

shizenmeister · 2016-03-25T14:26:10+00:00

Is it ironic that the likely driving factor behind this downward trend is the legalization of abortion?

nichlas482109 · 2016-03-25T16:24:52+00:00

Can you link to the data where this came from?

Barnsquare · 2016-03-25T13:44:50+00:00

Violence Against Women Act of 1994?

MasterHo · 2016-03-25T12:45:10+00:00

I wanna know why I wasn't invited to the party in 1993.

The clearest proof we live in the worst rape culture ever in history

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Title	The clearest proof we live in the worst rape culture ever in history
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Date	March 25, 2016 8:59 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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