Why do that even bother THEM?

mykulFritz · 2022-09-29T13:06:54+00:00

I hate that when I had testicular cancer I had to fight my insurance to try to get a prosthetic and ultimately ended up failing as it was cosmetic. But if I had had breast cancer and had a mastectomy they would’ve been tripping over themselves to get me implants. Yeah, men could very easily make a list of their own.

Divine_ruler · 2022-09-29T14:41:39+00:00

“Standard office temperature” based off men. Men wearing multiple layers for a proper suit while women only need 1-2 for a dress? Lower temperature because it’s easier for employees to put on an extra layer than strip?

Fearless-File-3625 · 2022-09-29T12:57:00+00:00

Discrimination against men -> being trapped in a war torn waiting to be used as cannon fodder.

Discrimination against women -> "actor" can be used gender neutral unlike "actress"

Toaster224 · 2022-09-29T15:26:37+00:00

Medications are mostly tested on men because low income men are the only people desperate enough to sign up for medical studies. Society gives unsuccessful women a much softer landing than taking unapproved pills for cash.
Men are the huge majority of motor vehicle fatalities. Safety systems should be designed for them.
Autistic women present differently and have fewer negative social impairments, why would we prioritize diagnosing them?
Office temperature should be the lowest of what's comfortable for men and women. You can put on a sweater but not take off your skin. Being uncomfortably hot reduces cognitive function and productivity.
Male being the default online gender comes from the old days of anonymous message boards where gender was irrelevant. The idea is that you shouldn't give women the same special treatment online that they receive in the real world, and the easiest way to do that is to treat everyone like men. Default, faceless, without intrinsic value unless they're doing something worthwhile. "Tits or gtfo" came up as a way to dismiss women who brought up their gender unnecessarily in hopes of receiving more favorable responses from the mostly male user base.

crz8956 · 2022-09-29T11:42:01+00:00

Wow, she has such a huge level of internalized misogyny, that she probably should talk about it with her assigned psychologist.

No way person that need so much validation for being woman is okay with herself.

Poor thing.

ulpisen · 2022-09-29T15:29:28+00:00

it's concerning to me that they are mixing real concerns with non issues and misinformation

like, medications not being tested for women enough can be a real problem, while the point about the office temp surely would be better solved with women putting on more clothes than to raise the office temp and having men sweat in their mandatory suits? you can always put on more clothes but you can only strip so far

dmann27 · 2022-09-29T15:46:25+00:00

More men are willing to have medications tested on them

Feminists: how could you

OctaviaPinfold · 2022-09-29T16:37:01+00:00

1: maybe they test it mostly on men because mostly men apply to the tests? Also what about the reverse, if some medications are worse for women then some are worse for men. I'd also theorize in the initial phases of drug trials they may even want to weed out the really serious side effects before its tested on women considering men are generally viewed as expendable.
2: that doesn't even make sense, you can adjust the seat and the seat belt, and the airbags just don't care. And you shouldn't get a car too big for you anyway, there's plenty of options out there, especially the generally smaller European and Asian cars.
3: considering how men have to figure out for themselves when they have issues and seek help alone, they're only told to "man up" at best if not driven into crime because nobody acknowledges they're not evil just ill, while everybody notices when a woman is struggling, I'd say that's stupid. Not that autism is gendered, saying that is just ignorant as hell, the autistic spectrum is wide enough that it presents differently in almost everybody.
4: that's not true, and when it doesn't matter and they choose men instead, first of all it doesn't matter (not that you could tell, if you assume the artist drew a man's bone, eye or liver in that textbook and you get upset about it, that's your problem), and second society doesn't care as much about male nudity because it's not men who make a big deal about it and get offended all the time, going as far as to scream rape if a man looks at a female body for a split-second longer than whatever threshold she thought of.
5: and a lot of people assume there's more of them, men, women, and others; monotheistic religions with a lone man on top are very recent in history, they only got widely adopted because by chance their followers won more religious wars and killed everybody who didn't agree to the conversion - standard stuff in any religion, but the number of people subscribing to those beliefs is dropping
6: in English there are no masculine or feminine nouns, there are gender-neutral nouns and there are nouns created/adopted for some group specifically, with pretty much only words for women surviving still because women wanted to not just keep them but made up a bunch of new ones. Also language is spoken by men and women, both groups equally influence how it evolves.
7: and I'll say bike seats in general are much less comfortable to men due to obvious reasons, but you can't get more subjective than this about bikes

MicrosoftOSX · 2022-09-29T12:40:03+00:00

all thoses are bad arguements but sadly widely accepted even in university gender study courses...why i know? because i took one.

specifically I find the "masculine nouns" arguments most intriguing. simple counter argument: Women get designated nouns for them while men only have generic nouns to refer to them. it is not men's fault women default their assumptions of those nouns as male nouns...

Sid3612 · 2022-09-29T13:03:20+00:00

Pants being considered gender neutral is because of women. Initially, only men wore pants but when feminism got popular, that changed because WOMEN were pushing for more women to wear pants.

N8-Yue · 2022-09-29T16:23:26+00:00

She is mad that medications are tested on man 😂 What should they do? Force women to take experimental drugs even though no one is applying for a test? The first sentence literally proved that she is as dumb as a breadstick

Professional-You2968 · 2022-09-29T12:58:10+00:00

Mental illness.

Reddit1984Censorship · 2022-09-29T12:41:40+00:00

This is a ''negative framing'' type of argument.
Male being the default gender neutral can also be framed as male is the ''common'' the ''not special'' the ''disposable'' the ''irrelevant''.
You can simple flip aroudn the argument to make it ''the feemale gender is the default special gender''.
Male is the standar because traditionaly females have extra rules as to how to behave towards them, if you refer as someone as a ''she'', that means you need to be less agressive around her to not intimidate her, be less sexual to not make her uncomfortable, be more emotionally aware, be more aware of her needs in general.
For example they say ''4. human anatomy in textbooks and figurines are commonly male'', that is because there is more rules on how to express a female body, is it too sexual? is it too fat shaming? how big should the boobs be? Is just easier to just make a male body because theres no special rules on how to do it, people will not care.

The problem they are expressing is rooted in the framing itself, not in objectivity, it starts ont he framing and then moves to example not the other way around.

However, i actually love this ''small card listed issues'' as a way for our movements (men rights & feminism) to actually communicate and negotiate.
So for example clarifyng the framing falacy aside, the specific objective issues that they mentioned are from our poitn of view actually perfectly fine to adress such as car injuries or missdiagnosing, as logn as the negative framing is removed and we also get a list of issues to adress adressed in exchange of it.
For example we can colaborate with car injuries and misdiagnosis BUT they have to colaborate more with similar value or priority male issues in exchange.

Huffers1010 · 2022-09-29T14:57:16+00:00

A lot of that is in how you choose to spin it. You can choose for yourself as to whether any of the following statements are devil's advocacy or not - I would not personally choose to throw these arguments in anyone's face because they are divisive and inflammatory in ways I don't think helps, but for the sake of argument, here it is.

- At least some of the gender bias in research is down to differences in the willingness of men and women to volunteer in studies. In general this is, like a lot of discrimination, a lot less true now than it once was; often later-phase trials are much more equal. Early phase trials are riskier and the fact that they use more men because men are easier to study and harder to accidentally kill. Using men in these early stage trials makes the trials safer, and also society cares less about their safety.

- Men are more likely to be involved in a car accident because they do more driving.

- The definition of autism can reasonably be seen as a pathologisation of stereotypically male personality characteristics. In short, the world has decided that being a man is a mental illness, so it's no use complaining women are less likely to be diagnosed. Also, women are overrepresented in mental healthcare, so if there's an underdiagnosis going on, it's largely the fault of women

- One erudite commentator said "The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." I tend to agree; are we sure we want to be identified with that, ladies?

- Some female actors take offence at the word "actress" because they find feminine-specific terms stigmatising. This list wants people to use feminine-specific terms. You can't have it both ways.

I wouldn't necessarily use these arguments, but - the point is, two can play at that game.

fzappa714 · 2022-09-29T20:00:06+00:00

I was going on a business trip for a few days and my girlfriend and I were fighting about something. So, before I left in the morning I got up in the middle of the night and tightened the crap of every lid on every jar in the house. Giggled to myself through every boring meeting on that trip. Was I wrong?

AtemAndrew · 2022-09-29T15:40:14+00:00

Because men are seen as more disposable and there are more in need of the extra income that signing up for a test study might bring.
Technically women cause more accidents per capita, but men do cause more 'serious' accidents. That said, the number of male motor vehicle deaths have always been significantly higher. In 2020 alone 72% of the deaths were male, of course. 72% of standard drivers, 98% of truck drivers (and 70% of truck passengers), 87% bicyclists, 92% motorcyclists, and 71% of pedestrians.
Talk to me when the psychiatric field actually starts giving a sh*t about men and feminists stop going on about 'men's tears' and 'emotional labor'.
Citation needed, and both are shown when it actually matters.
Ah, someone railing against Abrahamic religions. How rare. What about all the other religions with goddesses? To say nothing of important female figures even in Christianity and the nsome...
Yet you literally use two examples from a gendered language. Also, how petty.
...citation needed? What?

Men are also required to wear more clothes and are far more restricted in what they're allowed to wear. If you're cold, put on more clothes. It's not slut shaming, it's just practicality. Do you prance around with everything exposed in the winter? No!
A larger portion of the internet is women, but largely it's simply due to the amount of men who get catfished and the repeated joke online NOT about how 'women can't play vidya games' but how men usually use female avatars.
Learn etymology. I also have no idea what they're on about in regards to the they/them thing.
Usernames exist, and people can make inferences until corrected. People CAN'T read minds. Don't the people who usually whine about misgendering usually throw up pronouns?
People don't automatically assume all animals are male. People DO assume certain animals are male and that other animals are female. Dogs vs cats for example due to masculine vs feminine association. The only people who go 'why are you assuming the animal's gender' are either cringy wokes - like the person who made this post - or memelords.
So you're repeating yourself because you wanted to whine more. Technically repeating two things. So I'll repeat too... PEOPLE CANNOT READ MINDS. PEOPLE CAN MAKE INFERENCES.
That's because, currently, the only male 'skirt' is a kilt, and that's a specific Scottish thing. Femboys, crossdressers, drag queens and women wear skirts. EVERYONE wears pants.
Tertiary sexual characteristics exist. Men are not curvy, tend not to have long hair, tend to go bald, tend to wear form-fitting clothing that doesn't flare out. Would you rather everyone label their stick figures? Would you prefer people start putting boobs and dicks on their stick figures? What a Karen.

AverageHorribleHuman · 2022-09-30T00:03:52+00:00

Dude I can't even afford a basic medical checkup, when you are poor medical care is not an option. You just "deal with it"

JackeTuffTuff · 2022-09-29T13:43:51+00:00

I mean some stuff is reasonable but then there’s stuff like everyone wears pants and i am mad

raptorboss231 · 2022-09-29T20:45:34+00:00

Really complaining about stick figures? Mf stick man is basic, stick women has a skirt

sorebum405 · 2022-09-29T13:25:16+00:00

Some of what the person said was already addressed in my post

1.There is no evidence of women being routinely over medicated, and I don't know which drugs she is referring to but it doesn't seem like there is any systemic bias against testing women.This study shows that women were not excluded from medical research.So again, her claim even if it is true does not prove that men are seen as the default gender, and there is probably some other explanation for why a specific medication is tested mostly on men.

2.See point #2 in my post for sources. The reason why the first crash test dummies used in cars were based on men was because the first crash test dummies were used to test aircraft ejection seats for people in the US Air Force which was mostly men.So the first crash test dummies used in cars were based on what they already had.

However, they realized that this would be a problem and made smaller dummies to try to get better data on how crashes would affect women and children.The study that showed the 73% increased risk of injury for women did not control for a lot of factors like the type of vehicle,type of crash, etc.So this number is inaccurate.

The study showing that women are 17% more likely to be killed in car crashes does not provide evidence showing that this is because of how cars are designed, as matter of fact it provides evidence that helps to rule this out as a contributing factor.

There is no evidence that car design is the reason for women getting injured and killed at higher rate in car crashes.There is evidence showing that safety technologies in modern cars benefit women as much as men if not more.There is also a reasonable explanation for why the original car crash test dummies were based on men that doesn't have anything to do with men being seen as the default gender.

3.This is because autism presents differently in girls.Girls have less observable symptoms.This is not due to some innate bias to treat male as the default.

Here is an article that explains this.

Capanna-Hodge explains that children with autism show differences in the regions of the brain that are related to the severity of clinical symptoms in behavior and functioning. "Boys show greater impairment in the motor, visual spatial, attention, and language areas of the brain," she says. In this way, Capanna-Hodge notes how those differences may present in outward and more observable behaviors that males tend to have, which may make it easier to identify them with autism.

4.I don't know much about this one, but I did some research, and it seems like the reason for this is because the first and most popular anatomy book was based on bodies that have been dissected.Back in the day, dissection was considered taboo, and hanged criminals were the ones being dissected.These criminals were mostly men.Here is an article about this.

Even then, scientists like Vesalius needed real, but deceased, subjects for study and illustration.They often dissected the bodies of hanged criminals, explains Vekerdy. All the way through the 19th century, so-called “body-snatchers”—who often dug up graves—were a major source of medical cadavers for both teaching and creating these detailed illustrations.

7.I don't know much about this one, but even if it were true I think it would be justified,because most cyclist are men.So it would make sense that most bike seats would be designed for men.

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1.This has been debunked already.

Embarrassed-Loss-118 · 2022-09-29T12:15:40+00:00

Gotta start crashing more with cars I bet

thealphateam · 2022-09-29T12:55:22+00:00

They have it great in society. They have to scrounge to find something to bitch about.

dungnm10082000 · 2022-09-29T23:13:07+00:00

If she's annoyed by all this, then I bet she has a boring life

Strong-Menu-1852 · 2022-09-30T00:11:20+00:00

Yes they were mostly tested on men because men are used as guinea pigs... dumbass

RoryTate · 2022-09-29T15:05:13+00:00

A lot of assumptions in this, and I'm shocked – shocked I tell you – that there isn't a single shred of evidence or reasoning provided to back these claims up.

In human trials, both men and women are extensively tested before any medication can ever be considered safe for public use. Laws do not allow for anything else to happen. Men are sometimes the first to be tested (or male animals preferred in preliminary testing) because female menstrual cycles interfere with replication of results. But that does not mean women are tested "less" than men in any situation of which I am aware. Which medications are these that are being currently tested and released? Please name some so that we can see which are breaking legal requirements regarding public testing.
These car accident statistics could be due to other factors (such as biological factors about differences in bone strength and resistance to impact, or even just something simple like anemia being more common in women and problems with effective blood clotting causing more serious injuries or deaths on average), rather than just safety features like seat belts, etc. Also, these numbers are very cherry-picked or perhaps even incorrect, as a quick search brought up a study that says "men are 3 times more likely to be killed in a car crash than women". Women cannot be 17% more likely to die, and men 300% more likely to die at the same time, unless there is some context/normalization that is being hidden when making this claim.
Autism is significantly more common in boys than girls, so it's reasonable that the first models created would be based on males. This did not happen because men are the "default". Like so many of these claims of "female oppression" it happened only because men were the majority of those experiencing the condition. Unfortunately, according to this type of paranoid mindset, sexism/racism/etc exists in everything, and you just have to keep looking until you eventually find it. With no way to falsify such claims, they become a defacto conspiracy theory/religion.
Again, could there be another explanation for this? Perhaps drawings of female anatomy are often considered "problematic" for a wide variety of reasons, with most of the current outrage at any representations of the female form coming from feminists? Did you consider that, or just assume that it's all men's fault again without investigating alternate explanations?

Number 5 and 6 are just language policing, and don't affect anything unless you take some major liberties with ascribing cause and effect. Also notice how the other side of the coin, for example that villains are only ever referred to with the shorthand "bad guys", is conveniently ignored. No matter the sex of the antagonists in a story, they will always be the "bad guys", and "bad girls" is a term that is never used as a general descriptor. There are more examples like this than I can count, such as angels being seen as female by default, while demons are male. Where is the outrage at these pejorative assumptions of language that harm men? Well, when you don't believe that men can be harmed in the first place, these always get removed from the discussion. Where would feminists get all the dopamine hits from the sense of oppression and outrage that they need otherwise?

For number seven, as an avid cyclist myself, I have to say that female seats and bikes are widely available for purchase in every store I frequent. There are more than enough available to satisfy the demand that exists. The fact though is that there are far fewer women cyclists (both as recreation and/or commuting to work), so it makes sense that most road seats designed and available would be for men. The cycling industry is not large enough to support products for a market that doesn't exist. If women ever do buy more bikes and seats so that the companies actually run out of stock, then they will design and sell more within a short period of time. It's basic supply and demand, just like there are far fewer cosmetic products available for men. If that product bias is not due to sexism against men, then neither is this because of sexism against women.

Wadeem53 · 2022-09-29T19:36:24+00:00

What does 'filipino' have to do with anything lol?

trashtony69 · 2022-09-30T05:48:21+00:00

I hate that my rapist wouldn’t be seen as a rapist because she was female. I hate that I wouldn’t contribute to rape statistics as a male raped by a female along with the many other men that don’t. I hate that I had next to no resources to contact when I was being domestically abused because I’m a male. I hate that I’m automatically assumed to be the perpetrator of both scenarios. Yeah, I could write a long list too.

uzy111 · 2022-09-29T13:09:44+00:00

We’re also seen as the default for drafting into war. Complaining about that as well?

CourseDangerous2583 · 2022-09-29T14:22:08+00:00

17% more likely to die in a car

That sounds like a skill issue to me

DeddestNash · 2022-09-29T15:08:02+00:00

You know what this person is half right (about the medical part)

Within the medical sector people in general feel like they have been under or misdiagnosed. Sometimes this is just lack of medical knowledge but sometimes later on they finally get their diagnosis.

I've heard about lack of female testers and yes it would cause alot of issues when women start taking these medications. Additionally we have a lack of understanding the menstrual cycle, not knowing what's right and wrong and sometimes putting down symptoms as menstruation without testing, when it is in fact not.

But medical issues are present in men too. Circumcisions for alot of people will be the biggest issue present and I agree. It is a way for the healthcare system to profit off of body shaming, lack of education and peer pressuring by mutilating a young boys genitalia. We also have instances where men's symptoms are overlooked and in some cases men are not given proper treatment or medication. Men who are told to man up at hospitals. In fact I was recently told of female urologists who are in their profession "for fun". Even in this comment section some men discuss what they've experienced too.

Men and women all have biological differences which need to be assessed for proper health care.

The biggest problem we have that's causing this is obviously unequal genders when testing but also the complete lack of awareness and preparedness for medical students that go onto become doctors, nurses and so on. There have been studies (notably older, 2016, but I would appreciate some newer studies if anyone has that at hand) stating that only 20 percent of medical students felt prepared to tackle gender disparities. An earlier study stated that 70 percent of medical students had not been taught a curriculum involving gender differences.

United_Reality4157 · 2022-09-29T15:38:38+00:00

Most of that are first world problems

Dalebreh · 2022-09-29T15:45:25+00:00

So... This "individual" wants for more women to become guinea pigs in medical testing... Cool, got it

vwatchrepair · 2022-09-29T16:00:43+00:00

In 2022 crash test dummies can identify as women. So, problem solved. 🤷🏻‍♂️

r7anubis · 2022-09-29T16:53:26+00:00

Who ever said that bro and dude is gender neutral? Are you brainless pieces of spineless shits?

Faerondil · 2022-09-29T17:30:34+00:00

So wait.. are you saying males and females are actually different with distinct physical markers other than genitalia and breasts?

dw87190 · 2022-09-29T18:51:28+00:00

3 though. Men and boys are only more likely to be diagnosed with autism and ADHD (ADHD still very often MISDIAGNOSED) because boys are so closely scrutinised and demonised. When a little girl displays neurodivergent behaviour and you attempt to profile that, you get smacked down and lectured on "letting girls be girls"

MiKEY_SANZ · 2022-09-29T20:15:51+00:00

I bet if you complained about Misandry on that sub you would get banned 🙄

fakemuseum · 2022-09-29T20:31:58+00:00

this is the outcome of US education system.

IdentifiesAsAnOnion · 2022-09-29T20:56:37+00:00

Feminist try not to be bothered by harmless general naming conventions speedrun Any%

kanaka_maalea · 2022-09-29T20:58:56+00:00

Wouldn't be a problem if more females were willing to step up to the plate and be a part of all those randomized double blind trials. Cmon, ladies.!! You can do it.!!

whtsnk · 2022-09-29T21:52:21+00:00

That masculine nouns like actor, hero, host, manager, landlord, god, hunter, filipino, latino, guy, bro, dude, and lad can be gender neutral unlike the feminine nouns

Does this person not realize that it was feminists who were responsible for this?

Ripple22 · 2022-09-29T22:16:02+00:00

Pretty sure Filipina and Latina are a thing

J_M_Rodriguez · 2022-09-29T23:05:20+00:00

The stick figure one is just retarted lol there is a a reason we use the extra 2 likes for hair or circles for boobs for female stick figures

Cool_Weather_7763 · 2022-09-29T23:48:39+00:00

They want to control

DevonDekhran · 2022-09-30T01:36:14+00:00

At least half of these are just lies

Proof-Examination574 · 2022-09-30T16:46:21+00:00

OK, no more protection for women. No more special treatment. Everybody is the same now. Enjoy the results.

Tomato_Soupe · 2022-09-29T15:21:19+00:00

Damn, I can actually agree with her on number 7. I’d love to wear a skirt, those bitches look so comfortable.

Algoresball · 2022-09-29T18:50:06+00:00

Okay these are silly. 1. Medical trials are more likely to be done on men because men are more disposable. 2. It has nothing to do with testing. Men are most of the time bigger and stronger and thus are more likely to recover from impact injury. It sucks but it’s biological 3. This isn’t a bad point but she’s got the wrong disorder. Autism is more common in males. There has been massive amounts of research into figuring out why. It’s not something as simple as “classic symptoms are based on males”, medical researchers aren’t idiots. That is an element the gender imbalance in ADHD because ADHD is harder to diagnose as it has a much broader differential diagnosis list. Also note, person first language is important 4. I can’t speak to this one 5. Who cares? I was taught in Catholic school that God doesn’t have a gender. I guess TV and movies always show God as male, is that really impacting your life? Religion is a silly construct so it feels odd to get caught up on details. God isn’t real 6. If this is a big enough issue to register in your life than jeez are you blessed. 7. Cycling as a hobby is extremely male dominated so cycling companies make products for the customers they have. That said, I’ve been a cyclist my whole life and never been to a shop that didn’t have a good selection of female bikes in stock (not counting the pandemic when bike shops were totally out of inventory )

Edit: did not see there are 2 pages. Looking at the rest now

owlsore · 2022-09-30T01:53:44+00:00

You know female privilege exists when a list of your grievances are just things that annoy you lol. Even then, you're bitching that male pronouns have been transformed to be gender neutral, but that female pronouns remain exclusive to females lol. Imagine being this repulsed by gender. God, women are such emotional, vapid creatures.

This sub reminds me of how lucky I am not to be heterosexual. I feel so sorry for straight men. I can't imagine being dehumanized and demonized by the most protected, spoiled, entitled, childish, vindictive, privileged class in Western civilization.

HolyPonyGod · 2022-09-29T13:32:29+00:00

So you're telling me women die more in car crashes (which is wrong) because they have pussy? Lmao

KitsuneCreativ · 2022-09-29T19:23:25+00:00

"oh no we are 17% of road fatalities!" - these asshole feminists

LeviPorton · 2022-09-29T14:01:33+00:00

Also aren't there females crash test dummies now? Like sure that won't affect the 2nd hand market but it's not like there was no change.

BBE1983 · 2022-09-29T14:14:17+00:00

Women are so fucking delusional. Seems like they want a war of the genders... they wouldn't stand a chance. Women have such a superiority complex anymore. Bitch... you are human just like me with your extra ass!

Foxsayy · 2022-09-29T18:14:01+00:00

1-#4 Are all legitimate issues.

Swingstar731 · 2022-09-29T14:04:41+00:00

Damnit guys, sometimes certain things women say aren't wrong. Every single thing from that woman's post was valid. Then you guys come marching along to talk shit on it and her and insinuate she needs therapy and all this crap? You are just trying to beat up on a woman who has some legit problems with actual "patriarchal"-like things in society. If women get injured in car accidents more because seatbelts are designed for men then that DOES suck. But y'all JUST want to act like you don't understand and rally together as men to laugh at a woman. That's dumb. That's why as much as I love this subreddit I also can't stand it to. There is some really legit stuff here but a lot of dumb crap too.

thatsroughbuddddy · 2022-09-29T22:40:49+00:00

What the fuck is your point in posting this? All of what she said is true?

white_faker · 2022-09-29T15:08:47+00:00

She has a point and it’s not anti-men, the point is there wasn’t inclusion of women

cjgager · 2022-09-29T18:38:18+00:00

why do that even bother them? cause BIAS fucks up the tests - it like testing baby medicine on a 50yo - men and women are different. you sound like you are as smart as your question. all you dudes need to go home & study some more stuff cause your bulbs seems pretty dim and don't seem quite aware. maybe ask your mom what she thinks.
but - you know - what is that? rocket league & gta - things MUCH more important to a man needs better analysis than this stupid subject. geez

SilentObserver1293 · 2022-09-29T15:24:45+00:00

Some man can't even get proper testing. There where tests made, where they are two different kinds of man. So man with strong immune function, don't get tested because they can easily die like woman.

Testosterone suppresses Immune function

jvmjr1973 · 2022-09-29T16:47:15+00:00

The whole time I read that it was in a screeching voice of some entitled Karen.

miroku000 · 2022-09-29T17:28:30+00:00

The reason more women die is because men are the driver more often.

https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/males-and-females#:~:text=Fatality%20Facts%202020Males%20and%20females&text=Many%20more%20men%20than%20women,impaired%20by%20alcohol%2C%20and%20speeding.

Notice that men and women each account for 50 percent of the passenger deaths but men account for 72 percent of the driver deaths versus women's 28 percent.

If the problem were seatbelts not working as well for women, I would expect them to have a higher percent of passenger deaths than men.

ChocsiseOnReddit · 2022-09-29T17:42:26+00:00

This is the most ridiculous shit ever seen

Dr-Crobar · 2022-09-29T18:04:48+00:00

That first one barely even makes sense. That has to be some extremely specific medication because its pretty universal throughout the Homo Sapien species... which we are all apart of. The only things that tend to matter arent sex specific, like BMI and allergies.

20rakah · 2022-09-29T18:08:56+00:00

Yet another person that doesn't realise that man is actually gender neutral and the original gender distinctions are werman and wifman which correspond to the commonly used man and woman respectively.

omgitsbutters · 2022-09-29T18:14:55+00:00

As far as anatomy and physiology goes, females are hard to learn. Endocrinology and their sex organs make it really complicated to learn basics. FSH,LH, estradiol, progesterone, these all change constantly with ovarian and uterine cycles. Im not saying these aren't important to understand but for new students just learning about the body, it makes it very hard.

NextToNormal1922 · 2022-09-29T18:34:21+00:00

3 is bullshit asd is 3× more difficult to find in women because they have adaptability in asd they mimic neural typical people and disguise the disorder

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Zobi101 · 2022-09-29T19:38:34+00:00

As a (native) speaker of a language with only gender-neutral pronouns, English (and other similar languages) are annoying to speak at first because your mind isn't used to separating genders where there is no need to. It's obvious why you use he/him on the Internet. What's interesting is that she doesn't mention cars, bikes, and countries (beautiful, powerful entities) are typically depicted as being female.

Antarkian · 2022-09-29T19:40:51+00:00

A massiluline noun can be generated neutral......so is it a gender neutral noun? Or a masculine noun. This phrase alone perfectly displays how these people love to stretch things to suit their opinions.

fzappa714 · 2022-09-29T19:48:53+00:00

All true, however, if by chance we were on a ship together and it started sinking in the middle of the Atlantic, you and the kids get to leave. So , ya got that going for ya , at least.😁

fzappa714 · 2022-09-29T19:51:28+00:00

Oh, and you get screwed at the dry cleaners too. Or was that fixed?

Immediate_Tea5867 · 2022-09-29T20:12:59+00:00

It's not anti-men to say you want the proper accommodations for ur health, safety and overall well being.

captainp42 · 2022-09-29T20:17:19+00:00

When a stick figure it's offensive, it's over for us all.

zoxzoxzo · 2022-09-29T20:35:02+00:00

This is hilarious. Men can easily make a list of their own to counter this one. The only difference is that we don't go around complaining how life is unfair.

PugnaciousBart · 2022-09-29T22:06:06+00:00

Wait so what your saying is there actually a biological difference between gender and between xx and xy. Between male and female! So there really isn’t 1000 genders but 2. Who knew!lol

Partynextweek111 · 2022-09-29T22:27:35+00:00

Oh BROTHER

DREAMY-KNIGHT · 2022-09-30T00:33:00+00:00

This aint it

LardBall13 · 2022-09-30T00:36:10+00:00

What?

Gurnapster · 2022-09-30T00:38:18+00:00

What is the female noun for latino and philipino? I thought those were gender neutral

maverick118717 · 2022-09-30T01:00:16+00:00

Why are they upset their medications are untested?

APairOfAirPods · 2022-09-30T01:39:59+00:00

She must really hate the word woMAN then.

Toasted__Water · 2022-09-30T01:50:50+00:00

Source: trust me

Mxrplusfan · 2022-09-30T02:42:15+00:00

I don’t think autism gives a shit what gender you are

fwerd2 · 2022-09-30T02:46:00+00:00

This person hasn't read a real anatomy book. Hell i dont even know if DaVinci's model had parts. Unless it is specific there were never any "parts".

fzappa714 · 2022-09-30T02:53:55+00:00

1-It is a universal truth that all thermostats should be set no lower than 68 n no high than 72. (Daytime) sleeping 65.

2 Personally, I was the youngest n only male child in a pro dominantly female family. So I don’t make those assumptions n I prefer the company of f over m . 3. I intentionally use female pronouns. Mostly to annoy those people who would be annoyed by it. 4 dogs n cats I have no idea n just ask the owner . 5. As far as a supreme being , aren’t we being a stupid to think that an all powerful, knowing , omnipotent being that has always existed and will exist forever even has a gender.

C-Dub178 · 2022-09-30T03:00:53+00:00

“Here’s a list of bullshit I came up with to victimize myself with because I’m so bored and privileged in my everyday life”

NulliusAllvater · 2022-09-30T03:44:05+00:00

What design change do women need for bikes? Do the seats need to compensate for their lack of penis? Tell me how that makes sense

Naga1886 · 2022-09-30T04:18:47+00:00

This is what happens when they close mental asylums. I’m sorry but absolutely nobody can convince me that some of the things mentioned on that list isn’t borderline crazy/insane. I didn’t know people actually cared about things so irrelevant like assuming the gender of a higher power. The world is going nuts.

RedditIsProMisandry · 2022-09-30T04:40:38+00:00

Men are the default because they built society and everything you use, honey. It’s amazing how ignorant women can be

tayvan23 · 2022-09-30T06:30:41+00:00

That pants are viewed as more gender neutral than skirts
That a simple stick figure is labeled as a “man”

🤦‍♀️oh no what will we ever do..that’s it, the world is over. I think we should start a protest!

FindQuietLife · 2022-09-30T08:25:45+00:00

How do you even design a woman bike road ??

Present_Animator5025 · 2022-09-30T08:26:23+00:00

I hate Being viewed as a threat or a predator.

I just thought I made it as a single middle aged male by moving into a upper crust neighborhood. The neighbors introduce themselves, and offer up what kind of firearms they sleep with instead of cake. Not exactly the ‘red carpet’.

I think I made a mistake here Men.

MEDVSIN · 2022-09-30T08:35:54+00:00

Half of these statements are just false

James955i · 2022-09-30T09:24:56+00:00

I was paid to do some medical trials about 12 years ago, the gender ratio was about 10:1. It comes down to attitude to risk, if less people are willing to put themselves forwards for the tests there will be less data.

ArkhamWarden120 · 2022-09-30T09:35:13+00:00

I hate how I could be sexually or domestically assaulted and everyone would ignore me

Metamoose_ · 2022-09-30T10:41:48+00:00

Feminists when they discover any language other than English

_BlueShark87 · 2022-09-30T20:14:56+00:00

I hate my hour bus ride there and back to school. All I have to do is scroll on Reddit and I see shit like this.

AnOddFad · 2022-09-30T23:46:45+00:00

To be fair, some of these are interesting points. But a lot of them seem kind of small points, or even just assumed sexism.

TheAutisticSchoolboy · 2022-10-01T05:39:46+00:00

I facepalmed at the first one. Not all medicines work for both genders. There's meds for men and meds for women and meds for both. It's important to accept that and move on with your life instead of bitching about the smallest things.

Title	Why do that even bother THEM?
Author	lr-666
Upvotes	710
Comments	413
Date	September 29, 2022 11:40 AM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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1-#4 Are all legitimate issues.