Positive discrimination isn't illegal

rocoonshcnoon · 2019-09-24T10:29:23+00:00

Positive discrimination

Americanprep · 2019-09-24T11:28:21+00:00

Is this real?

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2019-09-24T11:13:00+00:00

Any discrimination can be reinterpreted this way.

We're not giving blacks shittier schools, we're positively discriminating in favor of whites by giving them better schools. You don't want them to have good schools?!?!

NietLarsLoran · 2019-09-24T10:30:13+00:00

Kut Eindhoven

DragonTigerBoss · 2019-09-24T11:12:44+00:00

Pretty sure that you could successfully argue that "positive" discrimination in a binary automatically implies negative discrimination against the other side of the binary. But when the hell does the law ever make sense?

Poseidon847 · 2019-09-24T12:22:21+00:00

I was under the impression that “positive discrimination” was an oxymoron.

plumpudding2 · 2019-09-24T12:12:37+00:00

Due to the many discrimination complaints the RADAR bureau is asking the Human Rights College to do an investigation regarding the legality of this, I hope shit is going to hit the fan.

link(in Dutch): https://nos.nl/artikel/2303101-tu-eindhoven-moet-uitleg-geven-over-mannenboycot.html

MisterBowTies · 2019-09-24T13:17:38+00:00

How about you hire the best people for the job regardless of gender. Gender equality didn't mean that every single job will have exactly 50% women and 50% men it means gender is a non factor. This "alt-equality" crap only makes things worse.

bufedad · 2019-09-24T11:51:45+00:00

TIL Jim Crow was ok because it was positive discrimination for white people...

hajamieli · 2019-09-24T13:06:29+00:00

France got in trouble since their "positive discrimination" has yielded a state where over 3/4th of the public servant executives are women, and their laws were stated like "no gender shall have more than 3/4ths of executive positions in public offices" or so, rather than "there shall be no more men than 3/4ths" or such.

unbelievablepeople · 2019-09-24T12:49:41+00:00

Does this also happen in the Netherlands with careers where the gender balance favors women? For instance, are nursing jobs opened up to male applicants first?

I would oppose it anyway because I think the best candidate for the job should get the job regardless of sex, but if males can also benefit then you could at least argue that the overall program is not discriminatory.

dajoor · 2019-09-24T11:18:51+00:00

We (my country) already have "positive discrimination", many companies only consider specific races and females. They would rather hire people that are unqualified and incompetent, then expect other employees to train them and pick up the slack. It did not work. Many people emigrated (still do), and now there is a huge shortage of skills. I also left when I was "retrenched" so that they could give my job to some other people. I worked for some time in Europe and the US. I came back after 5 years, and now work as a consultant. I scoop cash with a bucket now, to fix all their shit. I work only 8 hours a day, work at home 3 days a week, and get paid enough to only work 6 months a year. The other 6 months I travel the world and/or do my own projects (which I sell back to those Political Correct companies for even more wads of cash). BTW I am MGTOW since my divorce (she divorced me when I got retrenched LoL), so it is even easier for me now to do what and how I want.

My point is: let them be PC, let them discriminate. Let them take your rights, let them take your job. They are shooting themselves in the legs. Be smarter than them, make it benefit you.

Ebinebinebinebin · 2019-09-24T12:27:56+00:00

It's not warfare because it's against these people!

2019-09-24T12:44:24+00:00

WOW!!! It's like they don't know that ALL discrimination is positive for somebody.

samutlgfx · 2019-09-24T13:02:04+00:00

The west is becoming a joke

2019-09-24T13:48:29+00:00

Here in the Netherlands we work hard to increase male homelessness.

Ahielia · 2019-09-24T12:37:35+00:00

Last I checked (in my country - Norway), it's only allowed to do "positive discrimination" when it benefits females.

Psychology studies are dominated by women by a large margin, and the schools wanted to give extra points to men, gender points essentially - women have a LOT of these, but they weren't allowed because it was discrimination towards women? I can't follow that logic either.

Might have been changed, I dunno, though I doubt it.

marsajane1949 · 2019-09-24T12:12:14+00:00

"positive discrimination"... I can't wait for this word play BS to backfire on the left.. Who defines what is "positive"? I'm sure Hitler and a lot of Germans thought they where "positively discriminating"

XenoX101 · 2019-09-24T12:55:05+00:00

Positive discrimination to solve a problem that doesn't exist. There is still no evidence that women are being discriminated against. The fact that they need to restrict applications for men basically proves as much. If similarly capable women were applying at similar rates to men, then why would you need to restrict male applicants, why wouldn't you simply hire the women? It's because they are applying at vastly fewer rates, and therefore have fewer strong candidates, which is why they are waiting a whopping six months to find the right female candidate. They know this, and yet still push the lie that women are being discriminated against rather than simply not wanting the job as much as men. What evil people they are.

xscott71x · 2019-09-24T13:30:36+00:00

I'm positive that's discrimination

Grubnar · 2019-09-24T13:24:04+00:00

Identify as a woman. Apply and wear a dress to the interview. Then resume normal activities once hired, and highlight how absolutely ridiculous this sort of shit.

McFeely_Smackup · 2019-09-24T14:54:23+00:00

all discrimination is positive if you're the one doing it, and all of it is negative if it's happening to you.

This is just another instance of Orwellian Newspeak...control the language, control the minds.

FallenITD · 2019-09-24T12:40:51+00:00

How about no?! You crazy dutch bastards!

NekoiNemo · 2019-09-24T13:00:22+00:00

"Positive" discrimination? So then, making something male-exclusive is also "positive" discrimination? I mean, it would be pretty positive for men.

CthuluFhtagn · 2019-09-24T13:10:24+00:00

Et Tu Eindhoven

Reptilian_Brain_420 · 2019-09-24T13:57:39+00:00

Its only illegal when men do it.

Ap3xWingman · 2019-09-24T14:04:43+00:00

Okay I’m going to put out a job offer exclusively for white people and claim it as positive discrimination.

W33b_Lord · 2019-09-24T14:33:28+00:00

Men have been second class citizens in quite a few eurocuck countries for years now

Bestprofilename · 2019-09-24T14:35:34+00:00

So, where are the hospitals closing applications from women? What about the schools? I am sure there are some underqualified, unemployed men who would love to teach children.

2019-09-24T15:09:49+00:00

In my country, Norway, they do this in business leaders because men are more likely to work in leadership positions but completely ignore it in construction work where over 90% of workers are men. Women get quotas for business leaders, police workers, fire fighters, anything to do with science, 120 different studies in our universities and even elite specialized military operators (FSK) with different requirements. Males like me can’t talk about it because we are seen as sexist. There is absolutely no justice.

Slade_Riprock · 2019-09-24T15:25:44+00:00

Positive Discrimination sounds like something you'd have heard in 1939

Qwop4839 · 2019-09-24T15:29:18+00:00

I get so many emails from my University about job listings and opportunities, and somewhere buried in the body it mentions it's only for female students.

Common_Noise · 2019-09-24T15:39:35+00:00

lol, article 1 of the dutch constitution states that all individuals that are in the netherlands should recieve equal treatment in equal circumstances. Discrimination based on race, GENDER, political believe, ..., is not allowed.

functionalsociopathy · 2019-09-24T13:21:35+00:00

Sounds like the Netherlands should be avoided

Mode1961 · 2019-09-24T13:30:00+00:00

Discrimination: The unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

So Positive Discrimination are mutually exclusive terms.

SharedRegime · 2019-09-24T13:45:28+00:00

Guuuh. Everytime i hear the phrase positive discrimination i cringe.

They literally threw the word positive onto something negative and said job done.

Thats not how the world should be working.

jbslol · 2019-09-24T14:10:29+00:00

Pretty sure the Nazis said that too.

mahade · 2019-09-24T14:48:30+00:00

Abuse it by identifying as a woman, or non binary. See how that backfires.

hawksdiesel · 2019-09-24T16:01:08+00:00

And that's a bad law if it is one. Still discrimination and why wouldn't people just "identify" as female to get around that then!?

Lukasthemucus · 2019-09-24T16:09:00+00:00

Can someone please explain how any discrimination is “positive”?

DextTG · 2019-09-24T19:03:53+00:00

Positive discrimination sounds like an oxymoron

dizzybarbarian · 2019-09-24T21:29:01+00:00

HAHAHAHA!!!! Positive discrimination. Eeeks! As a female, I am beyond offended by this idea. The notion that what's in our pants should count for ANY extra points in the realm of employment -- PARTICULARLY EDUCATION -- is sickening. I'm so sorry, gents. This is beyond.

Voxeli_5 · 2019-09-24T14:33:15+00:00

positive

discrimination

Pick one

Pioustarcraft · 2019-09-24T16:04:51+00:00

That sounds real.
In Belgium, there is a law forcing the top20 ( BEL20 ) publicly listed companies to have at least 50% women in their board of directors. So publicly owned companies are forced by their government to recruit women, if they happen to be the most qualified then fine.

NerdGuyLol · 2019-09-24T16:05:21+00:00

Everybody is talking about 'positive discrimination' part but I've just realised that they said 'positive discrimination is not illegal'

Like what? That's the reason you are doing it? Because it's not illegal? You're are doing because it's legal?

Stupyyy · 2019-09-24T16:46:03+00:00

What's next? Progressive nazisam?

NotAHellriegelNoob · 2019-09-24T16:52:49+00:00

Excuse me what the fuck

TheWiseBeluga · 2019-09-24T16:53:07+00:00

The fact that people are letting this happen is downright absurd.

Richard_Smellington · 2019-09-24T16:55:48+00:00

Positive discrimination: The Klan hates everyone, but they discriminate positively against whites.

dayoftheoctopus · 2019-09-24T17:00:01+00:00

Ridiculous. Well, it's not like the young men of the country won't see the writing on the wall and look for other channels like they do here. I feel bad for those male professors who worked their whole careers for the betterment of their male and female students. Maybe time for them to go band together and start their own institution.

somellama · 2019-09-24T17:25:06+00:00

Positive discrimination, i think the Aryan race is a big fan of this

Swoooshii · 2019-09-24T20:17:30+00:00

Im ashamed to be dutch now

ThePackMan17 · 2019-09-24T20:50:32+00:00

This isn't Positive discrimination. this is just discrimination.

They refer to positive ACTION (the more updated term) , where, if there is a shortage of a certain type of person in a field of work, and there is no difference on paper between 2 candidates apart from race, creed or colour, then you hire the minority to encourage more minorities into the profession.

Archangel1313 · 2019-09-24T22:14:48+00:00

"Positive" discrimination?

budna · 2019-09-24T22:21:17+00:00

This shit happens in US universities too, it’s just that they are better at legally protecting themselves by not making their discrimination explicit.

Mattreddit760 · 2019-09-24T22:34:19+00:00

Being sexist against men... because of “the patriarchy”... does not compute.

LOKSTED · 2019-09-24T22:55:24+00:00

Positive slavery. Positive murder. Positive robbery. Positive fraud.

2019-09-25T01:06:46+00:00

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."

Fanz_Alt · 2019-09-25T01:16:40+00:00

I think it's time to bomb everything and start over. I'm afraid there isn't a way to fix this. there are the women who think they deserve to be treated better than men, the horny men supporting them, the companies pandering to them for money and the government trying to look better by giving them what they want. living in this society is pain.

89ZERO · 2019-09-25T02:11:08+00:00

Discrimination is discrimination.

liztu_june · 2019-09-29T03:46:55+00:00

Replace the word women with white and tell me if still moral.

abatoire · 2019-09-24T14:10:11+00:00

My brother is a manager for an ICT Developer team. Needless to say it was a male dominated team when he joined.

In a few years he has changed team from 100:0 to 60:40 male to female. He did this primarily by understanding the difference between a typical male and female psychological response to a job advert.

When a advert lists skills required. Women typically want to achieve 80%+ of the requirement before applying. Whereas males would apply at much less (30% - 50%) So he cut the requirements for roles massively to the bare critical minimum and got lots of female applications.

Not saying he's 100% right. But his achievement is through positive CHANGE in how he did his interviews, job adverts and the environment in the office. Not via BS exclusion / discrimination tactics.

OzzyGeelv99 · 2019-09-24T17:48:57+00:00

Over here in the states it's called 'fair discrimination' and it is used internally within the insurance world.

FlameExploision · 2019-09-24T13:51:00+00:00

Well, I always discriminate myself positive. My slaves know it...

rwp80 · 2019-09-24T13:54:29+00:00

Someone point out to him that it’s negative because it rejects male applicants.

2019-09-24T14:02:13+00:00

Imagine being this far up your own anus

DocsDelorean · 2019-09-24T14:05:04+00:00

"Positive discrimination" that's a new one I haven't heard.

Gutotito · 2019-09-24T14:56:41+00:00

Who decides whether discrimination is positive? Those doing the discriminating? Because that's bloody convenient.

2019-09-24T15:01:31+00:00

Well, everyone keep in mind that this is in the Netherlands. The laws are different there. Also, if we want to see this type of behavior changed and discouraged, we may need to do more than simply complain on the message boards. If this happens in your area and you disagree with it, write your congressman, start a petition, or even sue for discrimination.

Hiddiepiddie · 2019-09-24T15:21:10+00:00

Wat de neuk Nederland

jappiegappie · 2019-09-24T15:21:45+00:00

I want to say G E K O L O N I S E E R D but f*ck the netherlands at this moment.

TurkeyBaconClubberin · 2019-09-24T15:22:30+00:00

Translation "We're so misogynistic we can't be trusted to consciously hire women over men on equal merit. So we have to shackle ourselves to make it happen."

ToraChan23 · 2019-09-24T15:38:27+00:00

Is there a such thing as positive misogyny?

Gozie5 · 2019-09-24T15:40:21+00:00

Isn't there an increasing prevalence of reported sexual misconduct with regards to female academics? 🤔

You'd probably want to reverse this "positive discrimination".

pizzagroom · 2019-09-24T15:42:35+00:00

Question you should be asking:

"How is that ethical?"

trashiebag · 2019-09-24T15:51:09+00:00

Positive discrimination..... Matt and Trey were right when they said satire is dead.

Goleveel · 2019-09-24T16:12:56+00:00

What happens if a man temporarily changes gender then later reverts after securing the permanent job?

Morden013 · 2019-09-24T16:20:59+00:00

And that was the downfall of the Netherlands.

BennyNutts · 2019-09-24T16:43:04+00:00

Sounds like we definitely need more guberments

Siganid · 2019-09-24T16:45:45+00:00

To achieve an irrelevant goal, we will be destroying "academia" but personally attacking anyone that points that out.

2019-09-24T16:58:06+00:00

Positive discrimination what an fing joke.

Knittingpasta · 2019-09-24T17:01:27+00:00

Goodbye merit basis

Foolbish · 2019-09-24T17:08:55+00:00

I guess my question would be: is there also 'positive discrimination' in the Netherlands for men in jobs dominated by women?

Kannonn · 2019-09-24T17:14:32+00:00

Positive Discrimination

Reverse Racism

Clown World.

Daktush · 2019-09-24T17:19:16+00:00

What the actual fuck

2019-09-24T17:19:57+00:00

So you could potentially exempt everyone from slavery except one race through the use of positive discrimination?

Interesting theory

Zondax · 2019-09-24T17:21:15+00:00

yeah this is just discrimination with extra steps.

808picklejuice · 2019-09-24T17:24:55+00:00

Well I know where I’m never gonna travel

deeweromekoms · 2019-09-24T17:26:16+00:00

Positive discrimination is an oxymoron. These people aren't making any sense.

chugonthis · 2019-09-24T17:30:44+00:00

Wow that's insane.

EugeneHamilton · 2019-09-24T17:49:09+00:00

Eindhoven de gekste zeggen ze dan. Man man man

SlyAM · 2019-09-24T18:07:19+00:00

Wow dude just wow

nocivo · 2019-09-24T18:16:04+00:00

And who defines what is positive discrimination? Can I as president say that because white people are a minority in the world we should prioritize in services?

IronSheep5318 · 2019-09-24T18:29:46+00:00

Positive discrimination. Yeah........

Jock53 · 2019-09-24T18:37:45+00:00

'Positive discrimination'. How to justify knuckleheads being given advantages based on color or sex over those who would get there on merit. If you complain then you're classed as a mysoginist, a racist or a homphobe. Class me whatever the fuck you like. You fuckers are trying your best to squeeze white, straight males out of the system. Squeeze ahead, anyone who isn't a professional victim knows you are nothing but a sludge of afterbirth even the dog wouldn't eat.

tb21666 · 2019-09-24T18:50:33+00:00

So by that 'logic' Positive Racism is all good, too?

What a bunch of shit!

CatOfGrey · 2019-09-24T18:52:13+00:00

Annoying trade off: Dutch students at this university will have to waste time enduring scheduling difficulties, because finding professors to teach certain required classes will take longer.

The student population should instead demand that the University drop the policy, insisting that student outcomes are more important than the artificial goals of the University.

robcars · 2019-09-24T18:54:42+00:00

Same logic: if you are an enemy of my enemy you are my friend.

Gohorne · 2019-09-24T18:56:33+00:00

Positive descrimination

Well at least they're calling it what it is, such a bold admition will probably come back round to hurt them.

GuardianCat0 · 2019-09-24T19:02:28+00:00

Yeah, im dutch, I can tell now that this is either 100% illegal or the entire government is in on a secret conspiracy and saying that discrimination against men isn’t discrimination

cosmickalamity · 2019-09-24T19:04:20+00:00

I don’t think those two words belong together

DPSOnly · 2019-09-24T19:06:14+00:00

Pretty sure a court has ruled this to be illegal just this/last week.

mmmDatAss · 2019-09-24T19:08:55+00:00

I considered studying there for a semester, glad I didn't now.

Suixle · 2019-09-24T19:15:24+00:00

My dyslexic ass self thought it said vaccines

superhobo666 · 2019-09-24T19:18:29+00:00

It's also perfectly legal here in Canada as well.

ghebert001 · 2019-09-24T19:29:02+00:00

I wonder why racists in the Jim Crow law era didn't just think of saying "hey we're not discriminatin' against the negros...this is just positive discrimination for whites"?

Boocehop · 2019-09-24T20:21:09+00:00

“Postitive discrimination” they aren’t even hiding it anymore.

NoSkysTooHigh · 2019-09-24T20:42:59+00:00

to achieve a better gender balance

2019-09-24T21:01:50+00:00

Im ashamed to be Dutch at this point. But the university has been summoned to explain this move. It will probably not last very long

ValKaRie1991 · 2019-09-24T21:09:56+00:00

#ProofofMatriarchicalSociety
first we had reverse-racism (racism against white people)
now we have "Positive discrimination"?
FML. KMN, PLZ...

2019-09-24T21:22:59+00:00

And yet in the same breath academic stink piles like this will virtue signal about male suicide. The cognitive dissonance knows absolutely no bounds.

2019-09-24T21:27:45+00:00

Positive robbery is legal

spaarlamp · 2019-09-24T21:31:25+00:00

I'm actually pretty sure it's legal in the Netherlands . Most Socialist West-European countries have these women or minority quota type of laws. It's bullshit but it's legal

BradenMer · 2019-09-24T21:36:26+00:00

I think no one should stop them tbh, at least not make them, companies should do whatever they want, but turning down a competent man for an incompetent woman is a horrible move, and they would most likely go out of business.

mischievous_badger_ · 2019-09-24T21:48:40+00:00

I haven’t read the comments yet so I bet this has already been said but “Positive discrimination” is an oxymoron

v650 · 2019-09-24T21:54:52+00:00

Coming soon to a job near you.

Ronniebbb · 2019-09-24T21:55:38+00:00

I'm sorry how can discrimination be positive?

PeteyMax · 2019-09-24T22:00:48+00:00

It's legal in Canada as well as in most other European countries. In Canada, it's actually guaranteed in the constitution, though it doesn't apply to (who else) white males...

2019-09-24T22:29:18+00:00

Do that in truck driving see how far it gets you lmfao

Chokinghazard5014 · 2019-09-24T23:07:02+00:00

Now I understand why Nigel Powers hates the Dutch.

But seriously that’s backwards thinking. Amazing they actually think they are being progressive and helpful when they are doing the exact opposite.

your_dad1234 · 2019-09-24T23:29:18+00:00

they don't even deny it is discrimination. They just call it the "right" kind of discrimination. These people are hypocrites and have no principles. It is amazing that they can't see it themselves. I don't understand these people. Do they ever stop and take a good look at themselves and see how hypocritical it is? Or they don't even know what hypocrisy is or think it is okay?

PlatBirb · 2019-09-24T23:41:13+00:00

I agree with the first tweet, second not so much.

If they need a gender balance then yeah they should only hire the opposite gender for a while and place other apps on hold, but calling that "positive discrimination" is fucking retarded.

ElBatDood · 2019-09-25T00:13:59+00:00

Any discrimination can be considered positive discrimination for the benefiting party. By their logic, back in the 60's discrimination was positive discrimination for white people.

BlueGrayTurquoise · 2019-09-25T00:21:52+00:00

All I can say is men allow this to happen. It's shameful.

incvnspicuous · 2019-09-25T00:47:46+00:00

“gender balance” “exclusively to women” yeah ok

UbiquitousWobbegong · 2019-09-25T00:53:36+00:00

Canada too. As long as it's discrimination for a group that is historically marginalized, it's technically legal according to our constitution.

adelie42 · 2019-09-25T01:08:19+00:00

Everyone is equal, but some people are more equal than others.

biscuitnogravy · 2019-09-25T01:28:33+00:00

That has to be one of the stupidest statements I have ever read.... sheesh.

HypnoWyzard · 2019-09-25T01:29:15+00:00

So if we only focus on the ones who are benefiting, then it's positive discrimination. If we focus on those who are being excluded, it is just discrimination. It's the same action, but a change of focus makes it different? Fucking morons! Swap it with race, make it whites only who are being allowed exclusive access and it is immediately apparent that this is crazy. I can't understand how any person with a functional brain couldn't see this instantly.

6beanie-babies9 · 2019-09-25T02:58:07+00:00

gnarlin · 2019-09-25T03:07:35+00:00

Anyone have a link to the tweet?

Tetrabyte · 2019-09-25T03:18:57+00:00

"positive"

Decaticon · 2019-09-25T04:26:46+00:00

Pretty disgusting

TheOnePucnhMan · 2019-09-25T04:29:34+00:00

Are they fucking stupid? The men will get the disease then they'll spread it to women, have they never heard of group immunity?!?

NefariouslySly · 2019-09-25T06:01:36+00:00

Discrimination is always positive for one group. What a stupid argument.

littlefilms · 2019-09-25T06:47:19+00:00

So I guess these same people think it's okay to start discriminating against Asians who over represent in certain places like university by their logic? Can't they see that this is kinda offensive? Imagine them saying:

"we are only going to open vacancies for black people first because they can not realistically be expected to be at the same standard as everyone else, since there's clearly an imbalance."

int_ti · 2019-09-25T07:06:08+00:00

“Tolerance and Apathy are the final virtues of a dying society”

enriceau · 2019-09-25T07:09:00+00:00

Kut school. Flikker op man, wat een onzin.

vausedei20 · 2019-09-26T00:24:26+00:00

I never thought I'll hear it in one sentence: positive discrimination 😑

PM-ME-YOUR-POUTINE · 2019-09-27T04:33:19+00:00

Disgusting

myprivateaccount12 · 2019-10-17T21:28:40+00:00

Two wrongs dont make a right

SpoiledMilk320 · 2019-11-18T08:33:21+00:00

My own government.....

RyanShieldsy · 2019-09-25T08:14:43+00:00

I don’t even understand how you could be that stupid, this isn’t even just some random crazy on the internet this is a verified account lmao

tableender · 2019-09-24T14:29:21+00:00

I presume that they are doing the same thing for men in teaching, nursing, midwifery, veterinary services and medicine?

ComingHomeInABodybag · 2019-09-24T12:29:54+00:00

“Positive discrimination.” Thats a phrase that the Trump campaign would try to sell

admiralgoodtimes · 2019-09-24T15:01:46+00:00

You're obfuscating the issue. There is such a thing as righting the ship.

Redditbansreddit · 2019-09-24T15:17:24+00:00

This is uneducated shit on all levels. Vaccines are fucking herd immunity based so they're literally trying to get people sick

Positive discrimination isn't illegal

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Equality before and under law and equal protection and benefit of law

Title	Positive discrimination isn't illegal
Author	TheAndredal
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Date	September 24, 2019 10:26 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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