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Woman who cried rape after getting cold shoulder in Belfast nightclub is jailed for nine months

motordi

August 19, 2016
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Title Woman who cried rape after getting cold shoulder in Belfast nightclub is jailed for nine months
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motordi

Upvotes 19146
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Date August 19, 2016 10:15 AM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4yi4ar/woman_who_cried_rape_after_getting_cold_shoulder/
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[–]FFXIV_Machinist[M] [score hidden] 9 years ago* stickied comment (105 children) | Copy Link

This is the only warning anyone in this thread will be given:

If you decide its funny, or necessary to say things along the lines of "I hope she gets raped" your comments will be removed, and you will be temporarily banned. If you think your commentary was interpreted wrong, please reach out to me via modmail.

We aren't here to advocate for people getting raped. We're here to stop the circumstances that lead to that rape. Be better than that people.

[–][deleted] 1397 points1398 points1399 points 9 years ago (187 children) | Copy Link

This is a win for everyone.

[–]Miguelinileugim 482 points483 points484 points 9 years ago* (78 children) | Copy Link

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[–]AbominableShellfish 228 points229 points230 points 9 years ago (73 children) | Copy Link

Might end up being a win for her too.

[–]Castigale 393 points394 points395 points 9 years ago (54 children) | Copy Link

Only if she learns that falsely accusing someone of rape isn't a mature way to handle disappointment, then absolutely.

[–]bucksbrewersbadgers 88 points89 points90 points 9 years ago (53 children) | Copy Link

I doubt it, if you don't already know falsely accusing someone with something that could ruin their life is wrong, I don't see 9 months in jail teaching that lesson. She is probably mad at the man for not cooperating with her story, since he deserved it for giving her the cold shoulder.

[–]Uncle_Erik 167 points168 points169 points 9 years ago (35 children) | Copy Link

Nine months in jail is no joke. I'm a lawyer and I practiced criminal defense for a few years, so I've been in plenty of jails and prisons to visit clients.

It's not like anyone actually enjoys it. The number one complaint, by far, is the food. It's terrible. It makes everyone miserable. Two, the loss of freedom really gets to people. You are put on a strict schedule and the guards don't give a fuck. You do what you are told NOW OR ELSE. You have to submit to some arbitrary schedule and nobody really likes the schedule. Showers usually aren't every day, either.

Then there's the violence. There are constant disputes over the smallest of things. Small personal items and food from the canteen are biggies. People will steal those from you and you have to fight back or else you'll be completely taken advantage of. Expect to lose teeth and get some ribs broken, if not a lot worse.

It doesn't get much better after you're out. You're put on probation and your probation officer is usually a dick. Your probation officer can totally fuck with you, too. All sorts of restrictions are placed on you (like no drinking), your probation officer can show up at your place at any time and search it, and a bunch of other restrictions. Many people ask for more jail time instead of probation. Seriously. They would rather spend more time in jail than have to deal with a probation officer. Think about that.

If you fuck up on probation there is a short hearing and, 99.9% of the time, you go back to jail. Then they extend your probation.

Finally, she is going to have to explain to everyone why she was gone for nine months. This totally screws her on getting a job or public license, too. If you commit a crime involving dishonesty (which this absolutely was) then nobody wants to hire you. People can get away with a DUI or a bar fight, but if you lie and steal nobody wants you around.

She might be able to re-establish a decent life, but she did a good job of fucking herself over. Nine months in jail will be unpleasant. But probation and everything else will make it miserable for several more years.

[–]Molecularpimpin 64 points65 points66 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bingo. I have a family member who did 3 months for a probation violation.

This is not a "big win" for her. Now her life will be a futile attempt to salvage her potential.

She will never make another false accusation, that's for sure, but her life has only a tiny chance at really recovering from this.

It's a good thing that people are now being punished for this kind of crime, and it sucks to be her as she probably thought there would be no negative consequences to come of this. This is a win for society and a win on the path towards curbing the misandrist subculture that used to get away with this.

[–]bucksbrewersbadgers 16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I know all this. I've been to jail, I've known plenty of people who have been to jail. Jail does almost nothing to change your mindset. It may cause you to act better in the short term, but unless you get mental health care you will slip back to your old way of thinking. It may not be that way for everyone, but the majority falls in to that camp.

[–]WolfThawra 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Why would she need mental health care? I can't see any indication of mental health problems. She thought she'd just get away with it, and she didn't. It's neither an addiction nor a way of life, so it's not like there's anything driving her towards repeating this.

[–]Teraperf 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This apathy for other people could be a symptom of any number of mental health problems. Narcissistic personality disorder, sociopathy, even a bad mania phase for a person with bipolar can cause enough recklessness to do something this stupid and short-sighted.

The bad decision was a decision that she made, and she should be punished for that, but if her mental health problems continue to aggravate the situation, jail most certainly won't do anything to help her understand where she went wrong and how she can be a better citizen. In fact, that kind of isolation and rigidity can cause many symptoms of mental illnesses to worsen.

[–]WolfThawra 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Could be the case. It maybe not. Not all bad decisions are based on mental health issues.

[–]Aetronn 20 points21 points22 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Like I said above, their should be a registration system, like sex offenders in the States, which forces her to disclose her crime. She should never be able to hide this, or live it down. God knows if the man she had accused had been convicted, he would never be able to escape having that shadow over his life.

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[–]Aetronn 19 points20 points21 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I mean, besides the fact that if she were successful, her victim would be permanently reviled as a rapist and probably spend the rest of his life as a social pariah. Also, I believe that people who may interact with her in the future have the right to know what she is capable of, so they can adequately protect themselves. You know, like the logic behind the sex offender registry.

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[–]richardnorth 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I could imagine this being true (even worse) in men's prisons. But in women's? I'm a tad skeptical. Given the reality of the gender empathy gap, I cant imagine authorities shrugging their shoulders at women being subjected to the same prison experience as men. The harsh treatment meated out to men that is seen as just punishment would be seen as a crime against humanity if delivered in the same fashion to women

[–]AlexanderTheGreatly 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe in America mate, in England prisoners are treated too well.

[–]Rethgil 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

So as a lawyer you know men's prisons are notoriously far worse than womens. And that if a man is jailed on a false accusation of rape, the guards and inmates in particular will unite against them to give them an especially savage time. A woman in a female prison will not get any kind of similar targeting for being jailed for making such a fake rape accusation.

And that after being freed, she will be comparatively able to go back to her old life and not live in fear. Unlike any man who was called guilty on any fake rape charge, who has their life ruined and will likely be ostracised by even their own family members and friends, and have their names and locations splashed across national front page media and be targeted by feminist groups.

Please, let's keep a little reality here and not use a rare jailing of a female liar to make ridiculous claims that this in some way justifies or balances out the inequalities men face compared to women in the legal system and culture.

[–]King_Flippynipps 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

This is Brittain. Its not America. Im not here to start a anti-American circlejerk, but the prison systems are worlds apart i would imagine. The way you describe prison in no way has looks like the jails in my country (Netherlands). Prisons are for rehabilitation, not for punishment. Everything you just described makes it seem like people are made deliberately miserable. This doesnt solve problems.

You need to educate, and help, prisoners so they can prepare themselves to join society again. If you keep treating people like subhuman garbage they will never get out of that mindset.

She might be able to re-establish a decent life, but she did a good job of fucking herself over.

That she did. But does she deserve to get her entire life ruined because of it?

I always say: People all think they are decent human beings, law abiding and composed. But give them a paedophile and they get reaaallllly fucking creative.

I dont think we should stoop to medieval practices of punishments, shaming and branding them.

[–]Aetronn 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Shaming seems entirely warranted. Also, no one is here advocating the use of white hot metal to permanently scar her body, IE: branding. If you meant another type of branding, such as being branded a rapist like would have had happened to the accused (and may still happen) then yes, it is entirely deserved. Take this entire post for instance, it serves the purpose of branding this woman as a false accuser of rape, and justly so.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We can't even admit we have mental health issues to begin with in the US.

[–]GreenAndGold115 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Does the dude deserve to have his whole life actually fucked over for a rape accusation that lands him in jail? So why does she not deserve to have to eat some shit for trying to do that to another human being? Dealing with a mean dickhead PO is infinitely better than having a felony sentence and mark for the rest of your life, this girl will be back on her feet in 3 years tops even if she had been in the "medieval" American justice system, the dude would have been legitimately fucked for life

[–]Sardorim 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes she does. If the man was convicted by her false charges than he's screwed for life.

She should be screwed for life as she's scum.

[–]westhewolf 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fucked for life.

[–]pm_your_nudes_women 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

...your probation officer is usually a dick. Your probation officer can totally fuck with you, too...

I wonder if that at latest would teach her a lesson

[–]Sardorim 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or she'll wrote a book and a crazy cult group will eat it up and see her as the victim.

[–]seriouslees 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Showers usually aren't every day, either.

Wouldn't something like that allow for an appeal on grounds of cruel and unusual? Denying someone basic sanitation and hygiene is acceptable?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Now what kind of facility will I be placed into if I have money? Is it even possible to be sent to a facility with adequate resources (nice rooms with benefits)? Can I pay for a proper education while I'm in prison (make the best use of my time there)?

Do prisoners still have rights? Super interested in these things.

[–]Qu4ttro87 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Plus, unless she lies again or finds a complete moron, she's basically subjected herself to foreveralone.jpg. What kind of person will date a girl who was put in the clink for falsely accusing a man of rape and attempting to ruin his life? She's going to end up alone and sexless. Which is perfectly fine, IMO.

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[–]cynoclast 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Many people ask for more jail time instead of probation. Seriously. They would rather spend more time in jail than have to deal with a probation officer. Think about that.

I dated a cop who had a Masters in Criminal justice. She would 100%, no joking, totally seriously, take jail over probation. She would rather be a police officer in prison than be on probation. With probation they give you miles of rope to hang yourself with. But they don't just give you the rope, they fuck with you. They can schedule your mandatory meetings (which you pay for) whenever the fuck they want. Fuck your kids, fuck their schooling, fuck your job, fuck your job interviews, fuck your sick family members, fuck your shitty car problems, fuck your gas money. Fuck you, show up or you go to jail.

That's just a taste of probation.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Can you be arrested for a similar crime in the US?

[–]TooOldForThis--- 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

falsely reporting a crime? Yes

Source: my son is a detective in Savannah, Georgia USA

[–]IlIDust 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So in short, she'll fuckin' learn her lesson?

[–]Castigale 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I can't argue, but one can still be optimistic, right?

[–]Aetronn 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

She should have to register as a sex offender, like in the States, and be required to disclose it to employers, coworkers, family, neighbors, and any potential sexual partners. This should destroy her life, and leave her a pariah for the remainder of it.

[–]Dworgi 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Most countries don't believe in destroying lives, which is why we don't have sex offender registries.

Honestly, it's one of the things I dislike the most about the US - everyone seems to believe that hurting more people is how you solve crime, which is absurd because crime's only a problem because it hurts people.

I don't think that one is going to get fixed anytime soon though...

[–]Aetronn 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Most countries have no problem at all destroying a rapists life.

[–]Teraperf 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Why? That doesn't logically make sense.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A lot of assumptions right there.

[–]SafariDesperate 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Going to prison as a young girl won't change how she acts at all." Emm probably not true.

[–]Swinetrek 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Unfortunately I agree. Reality simply doesn't register for some people. They are way to deeply buried in their deluded bitch fantasy world to ever actually register personal accountability or responsibility.

At best all you can hope for is that they'll at least pretend to for a while.

[–]King_Flippynipps 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Now now, arent we exaggerating here? If the premise is 'she learned something', then her sentence will definitely do just that. She didnt assume consequences, she did assume hurting something with a false accusation and was probably aware of what she was doing. What she learned now is that some actions have consequences and the proverbial pussypass is denied in these circumstances. She will think twice doing it again and possibly will learn how accusing someone falsely will influence other (justified) rape-accusations.

Jail is not for punishment, jail is for rehabilitation.

I am oblivious to how the British justice system and prisons work, but it wont be like America, im sure. Europe is a bit more.... advanced? For lack of a better word.

[–]bucksbrewersbadgers 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Have you ever been to jail? I have. No rehabilitation takes place unless you seek it out. Most people play games and watch movies their whole stay while doing nothing to rehabilitate.

[–]King_Flippynipps 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

My nephew went to jail, and ive worked as a cook to teach inmates a profession in jail. Granted, i was not teaching murderers and rapists, but i was teaching people that were there for violence. I stood there with one guard in a kitchen filled with sharp knives and havent had a single incident once in the 2,5 years i worked there. Thats the only personal experience i have with prison in the Netherlands.

The prison i worked had a music studio, a kitchen and a pretty well equipped library - among other things - where inmates could prepare for life outside. If you just lock someone up for a few years you create bigger problems than you solve. And the fact that Dutch prisons are closing down because of a very low recidivism underlines that point in my personal opinion.

I think you can compare our prisons with the ones in The Norden. (Which offers a pretty nice perspective on the differences between Northern Europe and America.)

[–]k_rol 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

We are really doing it wrong in North America...

[–]King_Flippynipps 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Before we turn it into a circlejerk - it a set of circumstances that made it like that. When i went to America i loved the atmosphere and the people for the most part, but a lot of things irked me. The way America treats its homeless, veterans and convicts are the big ones.

25% Of all inmates in the world, is held in an American prison. According to Wiki more than 10% of Americans is in jail. This is just absurd, truly. If ten percent of your population is (forced to) breaking the law, the problem has deep roots.

I have no idea where the solution lies - but i think a bit more socialism wouldnt hurt. Imagine the social safety net you could raise if 300 million Americans agreed to put in the work...

One can only hope.

[–]FerretHydrocodone 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She may not morally learn her lesson. But she will learn that her actions have very real consequences, which may persuade her and others not to do horrible things like this..

[–]_Ninja_Wizard_ 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. She's not going to get anything out of being served "justice"

[–]FFXIV_Machinist 62 points63 points64 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

i believe a feminist once said " men can even benefit from the experience of being incarcerated from a false claim"

[–]kragshot 36 points37 points38 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Catherine Comins, assistant dean of student life at Vassar...

"Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience."

"They have a lot of pain, but it is not a pain that I would necessarily have spared them. I think it ideally initiates a process of self-exploration. 'How do I see women?' 'If I didn't violate her, could I have?' 'Do I have the potential to do to her what they say I did?' Those are good questions."

[–]BruceTheUnicorn 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

And this person is an assistant dean? That is horrifying...

[–]FFXIV_Machinist 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

it shouldn't surprise you. feminists control the vast majority of our education system.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That might explain the state its in. And the recent scary trends in younger people...

[–]DoxasticPoo 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Plus, Vassar... nuff said.

I went on a very short date once that ended the moment she said she went to Vassar.

[–]Zizuirl 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But of course. Obviously men make 22¢ more an hour even in jail.../s

[–]FooBear408 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well...you're not wrong.

[–]karmavixened 26 points27 points28 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Don't know why your being down voted, I doubt she'll lie again it's a definite win.

[–]yourethevictim 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

She might not learn her lesson at all and choose to resent the oppressive patriarchy (or whatever) for jailing her. Some people are incapable of accepting blame and learning from punishment.

[–]karmavixened 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Atleast the incentive is there and the judgement was equal it's a nice small change it's not all negative.

[–]yourethevictim 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree that it's a good thing in the bigger picture but it might not make a difference for this particular woman. Incarceration has been proven to be hopelessly ineffective when it comes to rehabilitation/reeducation anyway, so a measly nine months is even less likely to change her mind.

Remember: the people who commit crimes are most likely the type of people incapable of (or unwilling to) reacting positively to punishment. They didn't take the consequences of their actions into account the first time, why would this make a difference? They were fucked by the system, someone snitched on them so it's all that person's fault, etc etc. To them, they never did anything wrong at all and a stern judge telling you that what you did was wrong and you're going to jail won't change their mind.

[–]infinitezero8 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, she gets to learn how wrong it is to falsely accuse someone. That is worth more than anything, good for her.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Very good point. It would be so selfish and easy of us to let her get away with it. She would keep doing it and even escalate; one day it might even get her killed by an angry victim of hers who's got nothing to lose. This punishment is saving her soul.

[–]Emily_Butler 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If she was in America, she and her mattress could get invited to hang out with high ranking politicians.

[–]BigAl265 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah, she'll probably get a "women of courage" award from NOW, and they'll chalk it up to the white male, shitlord, patriarchal justice system.

[–]DoxasticPoo 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, she did only get nine months. I don't know the typical sentence length in Belfast but 9 months is very different than 9 years and a lifetime on a sex offender list.

[–]Miguelinileugim 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why not equalize both crimes at 3 years plus rehabilitation?

[–]Minas-Harad 60 points61 points62 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

She never would have been caught if she hadn't come out and confessed. After seeing what happens to her, other false accusers are probably going to be less likely to confess themselves.

So, maybe not a complete win.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Has a man been falsely convicted of rape when there was video evidence indicating that they didnt rape anyone? (genuine curiosity)

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/woman-who-cried-rape-after-getting-cold-shoulder-in-belfast-nightclub-is-jailed-for-nine-months-30153782.html

Lisha Tait cried rape against a man she met in the Beach Club at the Odyssey in July 2013. The 22-year-old claimed she was grabbed and pulled outside where she was attacked. However, a police investigation found CCTV footage of her leaving the complex alone in a taxi. The police investigation, which cost £10,000, also established that the accused did not leave the nightclub. Tait later admitted that she made the story up.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wait, he was convicted of rape despite all of that?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh sorry, no. He wasn't convicted.

I must've skipped over that part of your comment.

I would guess that would be a pretty rare case - By the time it gets to prosecution and conviction stages, investigation is all but over. Unless you mean, "has exonerating CCTV evidence been withheld in court, resulting in conviction?" - It wouldn't surprise me. I've heard of some crazy things that have been withheld in murder cases.

Might be worth looking into The Innocence Project. I've seen some jaw-dropping things they've uncovered in the past.

[–]DoxasticPoo 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They're never going to be likely. It would completely miss the point of their goal.

They only confess when they're caught and there's damning proof they lied. Otherwise, they just keep going and going.

[–]Minas-Harad 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There is such a thing as remorse. With any crime--theft, rape, murder, or false accusation--there will be people who regret what they've done and want to make amends. It might be hard to remember that criminals are people too but it is always worth remembering.

That said, my point was more about how we still don't have a great way of catching people who make false accusations, which is troubling.

[–]DoxasticPoo 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah, yeah. It's as tough to catch the lie as it is to catch the truth. That's because we presume innocence. Which is a good thing. But it also means we often let bad people go free. That's just the trade off.

EDIT: Also, she was caught because video footage proved she lied. Then she confessed. She didn't just change her mind without proof she lied

[–]dsquard 17 points18 points19 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Especially for actual rape victims. The more these false allegations are prosecuted, the more infrequent they'll be, giving more credence to actual victims. Fucking enrages me when I hear about this shit.

[–]mightyqueef 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I love that she is going to jail but would the alleged rapist only have gotten 9 months? I'll be happiest when there is true accountability

[–]Jeakins 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Should be longer.

[–]zebrinydeep 215 points216 points217 points 9 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

I don't get the timeline here. So this happened in 2013, but the article mentioned that date as "last year." Did it take three years to go from false allegations to jail, or is this a recycled story?

[–]clb92 483 points484 points485 points 9 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

or is this a recycled story?

Does "BuzzHubb" sound like a place that write their own news stories?

[–]TheDirtyCondom 98 points99 points100 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

like hitlers mustache, the word buzz in a news websites title is forever ruined

[–]SaitamaDesu 87 points88 points89 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

To be fair, Hitler's Mustache News was quality journalism.

[–]Swogget 16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Ahhhh the old Hitler Moustacheroo

[–]groundedengineer 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Hold my Führer I'm going in!!

[–]Mshake6192 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

no link??

[–]yumameda 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Aaand... He broke his neck.

[–]Abodyhun 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Most be those damn jews.

[–]ectopunk 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

As is any aggregator with "awker" in its name.

[–]WaffleSports 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well now it's awkero anyways.

[–]apra24 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Buzzhub was taken so they just added an extra B

[–]SegwayCop 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It sounds like the name of a serious bee hive.

[–]tonytwotoes 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

direct copy pasta from - http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/woman-who-cried-rape-after-getting-cold-shoulder-in-belfast-nightclub-is-jailed-for-nine-months-30153782.html

[–]unbelievablepeople 85 points86 points87 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

The link is to a site that ripped off the reporting of an Irish newspaper. Here's the original report, from 2014: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/woman-who-cried-rape-after-getting-cold-shoulder-in-belfast-nightclub-is-jailed-for-nine-months-30153782.html

[–]Erilyon 70 points71 points72 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I like how the last paragraph of the article is essentially a TL;DR:

Lisha Tait cried rape against a man she met in the Beach Club at the Odyssey in July 2013. The 22-year-old claimed she was grabbed and pulled outside where she was attacked. However, a police investigation found CCTV footage of her leaving the complex alone in a taxi. The police investigation, which cost £10,000, also established that the accused did not leave the nightclub. Tait later admitted that she made the story up.

Would love if other publications would do the same more often

[–]max-keeble 15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

the accused did not leave the nightclub

WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

some say he is still there. he has probably falsely raped hundreds of women or more by now.

[–]Mejica 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The Ghost Rapier

[–]Aetronn 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Would love it if she was responsible for returning the 10k in taxpayer money her bullshit accusation cost the people.

[–]likeomgitznich 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was thinking of making a chrome extension that did just that.

[–]Roguta 1632 points1633 points1634 points 9 years ago (320 children) | Copy Link

Jailed? As in she'll do hard time? Well that's a first time. And I say GOOD.

[–][deleted] 360 points361 points362 points 9 years ago* (50 children) | Copy Link

In my opinion the sentence should've longer than 9 months. If she was actually successful, it would've destroyed this guy's life.

I mean shit - you shouldn't be more heavily penalised for committing insurance fraud than "rape fraud".

[–]Roguta 94 points95 points96 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You know it's bad when you expect these frauds to get away with it and then when they are handed an - arguably low - sentence, you're impressed... In my opinion the intent to harm (via proxy - the justice system and the police) is what should be considered to be socially dangerous, more so than insurance fraud, and thus lead to more harsh sentencing.

[–]byroboy 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In our world money comes first, often before life. A sad fact I've come to realise

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 54 points55 points56 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Baby steps. Any punishment at all for the privileged gender in such cases is a major victory.

[–]little_seed 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

What if we started an false-rape-accusation list? Kinda like the sex offender's list? Is false rape accusation a sex offense?

[–]Eazyyy 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Could not agree more.

[–]JustPuggin 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Rape, and false accusation of rape, ruin lives. I think people who do either should be put down, however often there is no way to know. They say only two people ever know what really happened, but sometimes it's 1, or 0.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah well that's pretty extreme. Lies in general ruin people's lives. When your partner has an affair and lies about it, it can ruin your life, but I wouldn't advocate the death sentence for telling lies.

[–]ShwayNorris 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A partner cheating ruins you on a personal level, that is not at all equivalent to the social ostracization one faces when they are accused of rape. No conviction is needed for people to start demonizing and destroying any chance one has of living normally where they are. Should they be Killed? No that's too extreme. They should however face at least 5yrs if not a decade in prison for such false accusations.

[–]OChefsky 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Your partner lying about an affair doesn't result in life in prison.

[–]aarongaming100 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes but would those lies put you on escape list for life?

[–]modestokun 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah but nine months in prison is enough to give anyone pause for thought

[–]2gudfou 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

that nine months was not a direct punishment for the false allegation

[–]ShwayNorris 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, if I were the judge something like this would net you 5 years.

[–]Placebo_Jesus 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The only shitty thing is if it scared women or men for that matter into not reporting rape for fear of insufficient proof and/or going against a person with enough financial means/connections/power to twist it around on them. I just can't imagine a person being raped and then prosecuted on top of it. Not saying I don't think rape fraud should be punished severely, just saying I hope judges and polices and DAs exercise great diligence to avoid such things.

[–]pantsoff 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The punishment should be equal or more than what the accused would have received.

[–]netseccat 292 points293 points294 points 9 years ago (67 children) | Copy Link

This is really positive to hear for a change

[–]Miguelinileugim 122 points123 points124 points 9 years ago* (100 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Francois_Rapiste 110 points111 points112 points 9 years ago* (61 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Miguelinileugim 20 points21 points22 points 9 years ago (51 children) | Copy Link

This could be considered eye for eye, however it is a valid deterrence tactic.

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[–]Miguelinileugim 30 points31 points32 points 9 years ago (44 children) | Copy Link

It makes sense, however in practice there's deterrence, but also prevention and rehabilitation. Scandinavia does extremely poorly in deterrence, but so well at prevention and rehabilitation that they have some of the lowest crime rapes in all of europe (and much lower than the US, which focuses on deterrence while completely neglecting prevention and rehabilitation).

Ideally you would have all three though, most people would have enough help so they don't fall in poverty or ignorance or anything that could lead them to commit crime, then whoever commits a crime gets punished harshly to deter others, and finally gets rehabilitated instead of just letting him go after X years.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Your strategy requires more effort but would probably still work better.

That doesn't make "eye for eye" justice inadequate though, just less successful. A society that kills its citizens when they attempt murder is a society with a lot less murder

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[–]Whiskeypants17 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Simple: you execute the people that falsely accused/imprisoned the innocent person.

[–]monkeybreath 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Deterrence doesn't work for crimes of passion, or where the perpetrators think they're smart enough to get away with it (usually through the Dunning-Kruger effect).

[–]Abyssal_Pigeon 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

See you would think that, but most places with the death penalty have higher murder rates.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates

[–]NotTheLittleBoats 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not remotely a fair comparison, unless they take into account other crucial factors like what percentage of the population is black.

[–]Miguelinileugim 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure, but a society that keeps people from falling into poverty and becoming ignorant enough to commit murder will have a much lower murder rate on first place. When it comes to murder rehabilitation helps little, but for petty crimes and violent crimes with non-life sentences rehabilitation can prevent such criminal from reincidence.

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[–]Unacceptable_Lemons 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you're misinterpreting what he was saying. He was saying that in the case of attempted murder (or successful, either way you already committed to the attempt), then execution. Not execution for lesser crimes, see:

A society that kills its citizens when they attempt murder

So, killing them for attempting to kill doesn't make them more likely to attempt to kill. Rather, killing for kidnapping or other crimes which fall short of killing the victim would encourage them to do so.

[–]nogoodliar 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Side note: murderers have lower rates of recidivism than other types of criminals. If you kill your wife you've already killed the person you hated and have no reason to be breaking rules. Murdering the murderer effectively doubles the amount of murder.

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[–]brightersmiles 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

Really? Do you have a source on that? Would love to read it!

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[–]brightersmiles 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

...no. I guess you don't have a source then?

[–]Aetronn 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Any source on this?

[–]WillWorkForLTC 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Basic income and proper schools. Crime rates could drop to miniscule numbers.

[–]Miguelinileugim 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So painfully simple, but nobody both gets it and has the power to do so.

[–]Drmadanthonywayne 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Guiliani achieved a remarkable drop in the crime in New York City via strict enforcement of the law.

[–]Miguelinileugim 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That might fix the symptoms but not the underlying causes.

[–]Drmadanthonywayne 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't really believe it's their rehabilitation efforts that create the low crime rates, but rather the law and order ethic among the Scandinavian people. That may well be changing as they admit more non-Scandinavians who don't share those values. Then we'll see how well their rehabilitation system works.

I predict that if they accumulate a large enough population of migrants, they'll shift to a policy more in line with ours (i.e. punitive)

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points19 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

'Eye for eye' in Hammurabi's wasn't as much a permission to have vengeance, but a limitation: "If someone took your eye - fine, take an eye back from the offender, but no more".
It was meant to stop escalating family feuds.

[–]yellow_mio 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And if I remember well, there were examples such as stealing a chicken is not as bad as stealing a cow and how these two thiefs should be punished.

[–]47Ronin 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

General deterrence doesn't work very well if the consequences are too severe. People either believe they can get away with it or that they won't be punished if the consequences seem too remote from the actions.

[–]Miguelinileugim 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Harsher punishments have diminishing returns, however I don't see how could a harsher punishment lead to diminished deterrence!

[–]47Ronin 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a paradoxical effect that occurs because people aren't perfectly rational.

Say you're starving and you want to steal bread to eat.

No punishment for stealing? You would steal the bread without hesitating.

Cut off your hand for stealing? Go to jail? Maybe that gives you pause.

Kill you for stealing bread? Well, I'm starving anyway and they're not really going to kill me for stealing bread, right?

Also there's the effect where the more severe the punishment, the deeper underground the criminality goes. People will commit more severe crimes in order to cover up the first crime. It's like Louis CK said -- if the punishment for raping a child is death, then you might as well just kill the kid after you rape him because the punishment is no worse than that for murder and a body is easier to hide than the truth.

[–]infinitezero8 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hammurabi's Harambe's code

#dicksout

[–]Awesomefusion 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

His whole punishment system was literally an eye for an eye, if you built a shitty house and it fell down and killed someones kid, your kid would have to be killed.

[–]Poops_McYolo 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Could you volunteer to die in your kid's place? That seems fair.

[–]Awesomefusion 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

As far as I know you weren't allowed to, both fathers have to suffer the loss of their child the same.

[–]Poops_McYolo 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Step 1: Form new country and make your own king.
Step 2: Have someone under Hammurabi kill this new king.
Step 3: Sue Hammurabi and get him to kill himself because both parties should have to suffer the loss of their king.

[–]Awesomefusion 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

haha yeah Hammurabi would be like fuck that at this point, only really applied within his city and domain

[–]EvanRWT 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The reasoning was that a child has no rights, so the loss of a child is the father's loss. The child is the father's property.

Wouldn't work in your example because a king is definitely not the property of his subjects, if anything it's the other way around.

[–]Poops_McYolo 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That makes sense, I didn't think about the kid being property.

[–]99639 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If I lie to some thugs and get them to beat the shit out of someone, I go to jail for the attack. If I lie to some thugs who wear blue and get them to lock the person up for 30 years, I get no punishment.

[–]THEJAZZMUSIC 66 points67 points68 points 9 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

It should carry an equal jail sentence. If you're willing to lie to get someone to face 5, 10, hell, 25 to life, you should face the same if it's determined it was a willful deception.

[–]magkruppe 76 points77 points78 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

If its proved beyond reasonable doubt I agree. Just as long as its clear that genuine rape victims won't have any reason to fear legal ramifications if the defendant gets a not guilty verdict

[–]Wasuremaru 40 points41 points42 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It shouldn't be a problem. The prosecution would need to demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that the person intended to accuse falsely and put the person in jail. That's pretty hard to prove without stuff like text conversations saying so, I would imagine.

[–]THEJAZZMUSIC 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed, just like any court case. No way in hell I'd advocate flipping a not guilty back on them.

[–]akohlsmith 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't forget the lifetime sex offender tag. Even if you get a light sentence that tag will curse you for the rest of your life.

[–]unclefisty 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I think a big thing is that not only can a false rape accusation ruin peoples lives, it's much harder to fight against, even before the "listen and believe" narrative.

If I say Bob punch me in the face and I've got a black eye (even if it's not from him) it's a bit more believable, and if there isn't a mark on me people will probably think I'm full of shit.

If you have a dead body riddled with bullets than odds are very high the person was murdered.

But rape is more about a lack of consent. Which is not a physical thing. You can't look in a box and see that someone has stolen your consent.

[–]counterfitfake -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

Which is one of the reasons that (I have heard some argue) if false rape accusers were prosecuted regularly it would be more likely to deter actual rape victims from reporting than victims of other crimes which frequently have more concrete evedence. I have heard that this is one reason that false rape accusations aren't prosecuted. As a rape victim without evidence you may be scared of going to jail.

Not that I agree that we shouldn't prosecute false reporters for this reason.

Edited to clarify this is not my view.

[–]Aetronn 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

This is such bullshit. The accuser does not get indicted just because their accusation couldn't be proven. They get prosecuted when it can be proven, without a reasonable doubt, that the accusation was not only false, but made with intent to harm. It will not deter actual victims from reporting, and your argument just sounds like apologist propaganda with the intent of devaluing proper punishment for people who are willfully trying to destroy a persons life.

[–]counterfitfake 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

As I said it is not my argument but one I have heard. I should have made it clear in my post that I disagreed. I really appreciate your clear, concise and extremely strong rebuttal. I plan to use it in the future.

[–]Aetronn 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Okay, sorry for the strong language. I seem to have gotten worked up.

[–]counterfitfake 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I was unclear and it's a topic worth getting worked up over. I honestly knew bringing it up at all would be contentious but was interested on people's thoughts on the subject.

[–]Aetronn 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, this entire thread was a bit of a minefield. I have to thank you though, because I don't think I had fully thought out a rebuttal to that claim before I saw your comment.

[–]Banshee90 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah I doubt that many cases that actually go to court will qualify unless the investigator does a really shitty job. Like doesn't check phone records or something that clearly absolves the defendant.

[–]Aetronn 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I just don't like the idea that prosecuting false claims will negatively impact actual victims. It is disingenuous to even claim that to be the case.

[–]xNOM 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

False rape reports aren't any higher than for most crimes, the issue is that they're less likely to prosecute these false reports than in other crimes.

Um... first of all, the false report rate is unknown. Most data is crappy. It's not 1% and it's not 50%. That's about all that we know.

Second of all don't you see a feedback loop problem if only one type of false reporting was not prosecuted? What if it became known that noone had ever been prosecuted by the IRS for lying about their mortgage deduction, and that the IRS had no plans to prosecute anyone for it. Do you really thing the false reporting rate for mortgage costs would be similar to the false reporting rate for other deductions? I suspect that this is exactly why in Great Britain, they prosecute false rape accusations. They only prosecute the slam dunk false rape accusations. This guarantees that they can get the message across that this is not ok, while not wasting a lot of resources on it.

[–]InformalCriticism 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, people don't like to talk about it in public, but the false reporting of sexual crime is keeping pace with actual cases of sexual assault in the U.S. Armed forces, and branch specifically, false swearing completely outpaces the crimes.

[–]EricAllonde 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

False rape reports aren't any higher than for most crimes

It seems very likely that they are higher than for most crimes. Significantly higher.

Most crimes, other than rape, have false report rates around 2%.

The false report rate for rape is much less clear, but there have been about 20 formal studies done over the years, so we at least have some data. When you eliminate the outliers at 2% and 90%, you're left with about 16 studies that cluster around a median figure of 20% to 25%.

So I think a figure of 20% is the best estimate to use for the time being, until it's superseded by further research.

Why is it 10 times higher than the false report rate for other crimes? I can only speculate that factors include:

  • the lack of any punishment (usually) for false reports means there's no deterrent to lying; and

  • the fact that no evidence is needed to make a report means that, for some women, a false rape claim looks like a convenient solution to their current problems - as is demonstrated well by these examples:

12 Women Who Lied About Being Raped And Why They Did It

[–]cajunrevenge 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If someone is raped and they point the finger at the wrong person I can understand they made a mistake. If anything that person probably needs mental help. The ones that cry rape when they were never raped are the ones who need to go to prison.

[–]Taylor7500 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The issue is that feminists (well-meaning, but badly executed) tend to try to prevent that from happening to try encourage people to come forward.

[–]SilentR0b 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If you falsely accuse someone of rape and are found as such, you should be listed as a sex offender. Regardless of what sentence you would get in addition.

[–]nikdahl 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I like this idea. Maybe our gynocentric society would realize how fucked up the Sexual Offenders Registry is and amend it, instead of ignoring the problem because it only affects men.

[–]Roekaiben 29 points30 points31 points 9 years ago (44 children) | Copy Link

not enough time.

she should do whatever time he would have done if convicted of rape. and i bet it would be a lot longer than 9 months, though with that white kid that only got 9 months you never know.

everything is fucked.

[–]ThePandaRider 71 points72 points73 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Should be put on a sex offender list as well so people will know to stay away from her.

[–]SnarkLobster 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This. Sex offender for life if you're falsely accusing someone for sexual crimes.

[–]Automated55 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wont be "hard time". 9 months is just county jail.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Jail not prison, not hard time. More like orange is the new black

[–]casemodsalt 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't most sentences get reduced anyway....

[–]Skizm 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I can't tell if this is a thinly veiled joke or not.

[–]shockingnews213 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good thing she gets that hard time for lying about a hard time. Gotta make up for that lack of evidence somehow.

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[–]Delta64 54 points55 points56 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"[They] did the right thing for the wrong reason."

-Picard, probably.

[–]thefootballhound 452 points453 points454 points 9 years ago (31 children) | Copy Link

Because obstructing law enforcement is a crime, whereas destroying a man's life is not technically a crime (this is not a comment on whether or not it should be).

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[–]Blazedazex55 188 points189 points190 points 9 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link

Slander is not a crime; it is a tort. Meaning, you can sue in civil court for damages to your reputation, but someone cannot be jailed over it.

[–]KeepItRealTV 109 points110 points111 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Slander is not a crime; it is a tort.

If it happens to a celebrity, it's called a Pop Tort.

cricket, cricket, cricket

Um... I'll see my self out.

[–]Thats_absrd 28 points29 points30 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can stay

[–]arnoldwhat 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lil Wayne, is that you?

[–]markyland 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If a turtle does it, it's called a tortoise

Edit: unless it's a Mexican turtle of course. Then it's a tortilla.

[–]JeffSala27 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's have a moment of silence for our fallen brother. Whose joke may have prospered, if it wasn't for the comment north of him. It was nice knowing you /u/markyland

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[–]uzikaduzi 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Libel and slander are basically the same thing only difference being how it's delivered... slander being spoken while libel being written. In the US both are legally referred to as defamation without much distinction and are not crimes; however, you mentioning "High Court" I'd assume you aren't speaking of the US.

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[–]uzikaduzi 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ahh... can't believe i missed that. i didn't read the article because it's blocked by my work firewall and obviously didn't absorb that from the title even though it's there.

[–]AntonChigurh33 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"Slander is spoken, when it's written its libel."

[–]elastic-craptastic 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a civil crime though, not criminal, I thought. This way she at least gets some jail time and he has a stronger case in civil court if had any impact on his life from the accusation. He still has to prove monetary loss though.

[–]shockingnews213 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The comment may not say that it should be a law... but it should be a law. Not just for men, but for women as well.

[–]diewankschaft 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

(and western society at large)

Its nothing specific to western society, its human society in general.

Except the Middle East I guess.

[–]PianoConcertoNo2 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

see men as being disposable

Well, how else are you going to send them to war?!

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[–]curiosisis 20 points21 points22 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It's more about how men dying or going to prison is not really considered a big deal, especially in low income communities. It kinda takes the whole women and children first and then takes it to concepts like conscription, it is in itself different than privilege as it looks at the population as a whole

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[–]Drakolore 43 points44 points45 points 9 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Because men do not have an in-group biase. Remember 67% of homeless are men. There are only a handfull of abuse shelters for men in the entire western world. Generaly problems only get major media attention when it happens to women.

There are entire political movements and lobbying groups to stop violence against women, but men are the large majority of suffers from violence.

Breast cancer funding is more then double all other cancer funding combined but prostate cancer that kills more people and affects both genders equally is under funded and unknown.

Lets not forget that in a speech Hillary Clinton proclaimed that women were the primary sufferers in war because their fathers, sons, bothers, and uncles died.

At the time of her speech it was considered standing up for women and the media never criticized her for ignoring all the dead men in the statement.

So I ask you, why the fuck should anyone give a shit who makes up the top if the top spends all their time and money on women almost exclusively?

Starting to get the picture that by and large men are considered disposable or do you need more examples?

[–]BrocanGawd 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Remember 67% of homeless are men.

Over 70%

[–]Drakolore 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was going with the more recent, "1/3rd of homeless are women." I know that in many areas it is 80% or more. Nationally it is roughly 65-75% since the numbers get fudged by cities wanting to under report homeless or erase the number if they forcefully remove them from their jurisdiction.

[–]akohlsmith 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

How does prostate cancer affect both genders equally?

[–]Drakolore 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The numbers affected by it at the same.

[–]EisenheimGaming 54 points55 points56 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Don't look only at the bright side.

Look at the dark side too :

  • First number in death at work.
  • First in suicide death (not attempt, women are first here).
  • First in shitty and/or dangerous job.
  • Biggest jail time for men (for the exact same crime)
  • Low chance for men of keeping kid in a divorce (or similar end of relations)

I can continue for a long time, but I hope you see my point.

[–]jb_trp[🍰] 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

The "bright side" is really the top 1% of the top 1%. They are the exception, not the rule for the average male.

You could add other things to your list. Alimony (which is basically government sanctioned slavery). The amount of fatherlessness, which leads to emotional problems for boys, less likely to finish school, more likely to become incarcerated at some point in their life, etc. Prisons are basically receptacles for boys who were raised without fathers. You can look at the way schools are ran, how boyhood is seen as a pathology that needs to be drugged and fixed. The list goes on.

Really, the root of the problem is an empathy gap for issues men/boys face. Society doesn't care much about the 13 year old boy who was preyed upon by his 40 year old teacher, they care about the teacher not getting "too harsh" a sentence because she's attractive. Society doesn't care at all about the middle aged man whose wife left him, took his two kids, and now has to live in a crappy apartment and work two jobs just to pay child support. He'll likely commit suicide any ways. Or the 18 year old drafted into the military to fight in a war. Or the firefighter or policeman who risk their lives to keep the streets safe. Fuck, we don't even care about the dangers and issues that the fucking garbage man faces every day. We don't even look him in the eye.

And it's always been that way. If I'm in an alley and a woman is attacked, I'll be publicly shamed if I don't intervene to help her. A woman doesn't have that same social obligation. If I go on a date with a woman, even if it's obvious she's not into me and there's no connection, she can expect me to pay and call me a loser if I don't. In that case, I'm nothing more than a checkbook to her. The list goes on.

Yes, we have an empathy gap, and thus men are seen as disposable by society in a variety of ways. And we men are foolish enough to call it "power!" For example, we earn more money because we work less fulfilling, more stressful, more dangerous jobs (and work longer hours), only to die 5 years earlier than women. And for that we're accused of being "privileged." Right? No, it's really a form of powerlessness and leads to male disposability.

/u/commissionerofwine makes a point that "only 3 of the 20 richest people in the US are women, and all of them inherited their wealth from a man." So what? Those 17 other guys worked their asses off and made themselves into a success. The 3 women leached off their husbands after they died and we care more about their "plight" than the construction workers repaving the road in 100 degree weather. Just an observation.

[–]Pegguins 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dont forget (atleast in britain) education too. Boys are chronically failed by our education system, and even the BBC goes 'well, i guess boys just dont work as hard as girls'.

[–]IntelWarrior 18 points19 points20 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

can someone explain to me how men are "disposable"?

WW1: 11 million military deaths WW2: 21 to 25 million military deaths

History shows us time and time again just how valuable the lives of young men are.

[–]mindless_gibberish 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Heh, when my wife hears a noise in the middle of the night she sends me to check it out...

[–]Phoenixed 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Woman accuses man of rape/violence - his life is destroyed whether even if he's innocent.

Man accuses woman of rape/violense - everyone laughs.

[–]TheTT 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How is anything you said an argument against "men are seen as disposable"? Men may be richer, but that says nothing about disposability.

Let me give you an example: When you evacuate a boat (or a burning building), it's always "women and children first", because women and children are both considered weak and deserving of help, whereas men are looked at as strong and capable of protecting themselves. That is actually pretty sexist against women, because they are considered to be weak (and put in the same group as children), but it's also pretty sexist against men, because they are more likely to die as a result of the sinking boat. In that sense, men are considered expendable, and much more so than women. That is very much part of the sexism in our culture, and "hurr durr men have 20% more money" is not an argument against it. When a woman complains about earning less than a man, you wouldnt come out and say "hurr durr but you get to survive when the boat sinks" - why are you doing that to men?

This whole idea that either just men or just women are being discriminated against is a false dichotomy, because it is both and the two are inseparably linked together.

[–]TransMeow 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You don't make cannon fodder out of pretty ladies.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

For the most part men's lives are seen as being worth less than women's. Men currently make up the bulk of the highest classes, but that doesn't help the coal miners. Male suicide isn't a high priority on any governments list. Men have been frontline soldiers far longer. No one is calling for equality in dangerous jobs men do.

It's just how things are.

[–]ZimbaZumba 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Your response is bizarrely naive, and sounds like some tripe you have been fed in a jaundiced women's studies course. Do you honestly think the positions held by a incredibly small sample size of the male population somehow represent the male population as a whole?

Are you aware of how many millions of men have died in wars over the last 100yrs; how many men commit suicide; how many men live on the streets; how many men are separated from their children; how few men have tertiary education or how many men die in work related accidents? That is just the tip of the iceberg. If these facts related to women there would be a shit storm of outrage that the world had never seen before.

You need to start thinking for yourself and not have others feed you opinions, it is intellectually lazy to do otherwise.

[–]southwade 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Monetary wealth and life worth aren't the same thing though.

[–]smaxxy 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Your statistics expose nothing more than the historical prominence of male privilege and the fact that, typically, women make different choices than men.

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[–]skywreckdemon 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Please note that we don't think women deserve less power, or that women are not as good as men, or anything like that. At least, the majority of us don't. We just want the rights that everyone forgets we don't have, and to have better mental health support and education (things that are more tailored to girls and women at the moment).

[–]deming 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm honestly not sure what OP means by being disposable.

Maybe he's saying it in the sense that men are often lacking in support systems? Like generally speaking, when bad shit happens to a guy, the idea is most people will say tough shit suck it up you're a man. Often left to deal with their problem(s) on their own.

That and the idea that asking for help isn't 'manly' so many guys won't get the help they need since they're conditioned not to ask for it.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Karen Straughan - Feminism and the Disposable Male

[–]NightlyGravy 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ugh that is so fucking depressing.

[–]minimim 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Tying this to the Lochte case (another case of lying to the police), they are being prosecuted for the inconvenience to the Police because they didn't accuse anyone of the crime. (One of them was fined $10800 already). But in Brazil, actually naming someone in the complain to the Police carries 12 times the sentence. Because of the damage to their reputation. And on top of that, one is allowed to start a civil lawsuit if someone accuses you of a crime.

There's another case we Brazilians are having a look trough the news, which isn't of international interest, where a political activist accused a Evangelical MP of rape. Now she is being prosecuted for lying.

So, at least where I live, we don't have that specific problem.

[–]tongue_kiss 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's not just men, that's people in general. There's over 7 billion of us now. Humans are common, and you know what we think of things that are common, right?

[–]Waltorzz 107 points108 points109 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

As someone who has been accused of rape not once, but twice (first one was a mentally unstable, borderline girl, second one was ex-girlfriend who hated my guts after we broke up and who saw what the first allegation did to me), this makes me happy. As much as muttering the words rape to a guy can completely ruin a man's name, reputation and his entire place in the community. Because of the general consensus on rape (guy=monster,girl=saint), you hardly ever get out scot-free as the guy and there is basically no way to prove that you didn't do it. As such, unrightfully claiming to be raped should be a very seriously punished crime.

To clarify, the first girl that claimed I raped her had several pretty serious issues and disorders, and I was her best friend through her times of need. Once she finally started doing better, she pulled this bullshit on me. Thankfully, the night she claimed I raped her, I was throwing a party and had like 7 people sleep over at my place, which meant 7 eye witnesses that nothing happened.

My ex-girlfriend saw how much problems 1 single, obviously made up accusation caused for me, decided she wanted to ruin me. Again thankfully, the first few people she told it to (our joint best friend and her parents) all knew she was out for blood and that I would never ever ever hurt a woman, and they quickly shot her down, discouraging her to keep up this lie.

[–]fumanchu4u 17 points18 points19 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

jesus that's scary. I'm sorry to hear you had to go through that shit. fucking crazy beyond all belief

[–]frstr4706 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My ex pulled some bullshit on me after I helped her put of a tough spot. She was also pretty fucked in the head (is on anti-anxiety and anti-depressant meds now). She started being a bitch and we broke up. Tried to get her step dad to charge me with harassment after we kept getting into arguments since we sat next to each other in class (was last year in high school). Fortunately her step dad didn't buy into her bullshit and it never went anywhere.

Sorry to hear that happened to you. Glad you came out ok.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 268 points269 points270 points 9 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

Note how all they care about is the cost to the police. Nothing about the trauma and damage caused to the man.

But then again, the mangina bore “no harm or ill will” towards the false accuser — maybe he deserves what he got.

[–]Drews232 88 points89 points90 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The cost to the police is what is criminally against the law, so they are charging her with that.

The cost to the man's mental health and reputation are not criminal but civil. So now that she is found guilty on the criminal count, the man can proceed with a civil trial against her for his damages.

That's the way it works regardless of gender.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points29 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for some much-needed sanity. They pursued this particular prosecution for moral reasons using the legal means at their disposal.

Think Al Capone and his conviction for non-payment of taxes.

[–]theGentlemanInWhite 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm pretty sure what happened to the man is both criminal and civil. Although my knowledge of libel laws is not particularly good.

[–]Ibarfd 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The no harm part is bullshit. The internet never forgets, and the first thing employers do is Google your name. Even though he was found to be innocent, his name from initial articles will forever be tied to rape allegations. People don't recover from these things because even when people know the truth, there's still a shadow of doubt.

[–]xNOM 18 points19 points20 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Nothing about the trauma and damage caused to the man.

That might fall under civil law. But in today's crazy PC world it might be criminal as well.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points30 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But in today's crazy PC world it might be criminal as well.

Wrong PC world, only criminal if the genders are switched.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or, that's just the only legal way she could be incarcerated. It's the Americans way.

[–]32BitWhore 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, it read like the article as well as the authorities sympathized with the girl because she was "a woman scorned." I don't take that as a win.

[–]Teraperf 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's because that isn't how the law works. The defamation of his character is a civil matter, not criminal. Why (and how) would the criminal courts charge him with a civil offense?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, so he says.

[–]SnarkLobster 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

So, to punish her for the cost of the policing we all pay for her jailtime.

[–]xNOM 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not just the money. What other crimes, including REAL rapes, were committed that could have been investigated by the police had they not been tied up with this case? What message does it send to future rape hoaxers when there are no consequences for their actions?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You would rather she walk free to save the cash, I take it?

[–]rubenbenjamin 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So leave her free to save tax payer money??

[–]princess-babybel 16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

r/awfuleyebrows

[–]slcrook 33 points34 points35 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I love the irony of the charge she plead guilty to "Perverting of the course of justice."

"Why did that young woman go to jail?"

"She was a pervert."

Bonus: the newspaper article doesn't identify the falsely accused by name.

[–]Wisemanner 325 points326 points327 points 9 years ago (54 children) | Copy Link

False allegations are far far higher than the politically correct will admit.

[–]TheMarlBroMan 139 points140 points141 points 9 years ago (34 children) | Copy Link

citation needed

[–]reggiesexman 112 points113 points114 points 9 years ago* (21 children) | Copy Link

people still believe that less than 2% of rape accusations are false. that is a number that is literally based on nothing. there are no sources to back that up, there are only articles that repeat it.

it is more common than many people would believe.

it would be great if people would ask for citations for the 2% number, but of course, they don't.

edit: here's one take on it: http://www.datagoneodd.com/blog/2015/01/25/how-to-lie-and-mislead-with-rape-statistics-part-1/

[–]Drakolore 19 points20 points21 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

If you go with local law enforcement databases or military crime reports, the figures becomes about 40% of rape claims are unsubstantiated, recanted, or outright false. The FBI says 2% but does not state where the number comes from and the CDC redefined rape to excludes males so their numbers are slanted. The National Crime Victimization survey is considered to have the most accurate reporting and numbers still shows the low side around 12%.

[–]DragonTamerMCT 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Just to play a bit of devils advocate, unsubstantiated doesn't mean false accusation. It just means they couldn't find much evidence/substance. And recanted could just mean the victim got frightened or something.

So I doubt it's nearly half but probably closer to 30 or 20

[–]NightlyGravy 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good point. But you also have to consider all the successful cases of rape fraud. How many women successfully convinced law enforcement or their university that they were raped when they really weren't. I dont think we can know that number sadly.

[–]Drakolore 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is 1/3 and in the studied cases of recanting, it is years to decades after the fact. In the cases of recant it is also when faced with evidence contrary tot he claim. So we can bump that right back up, thank you very much, as there are ABSURD levels of legal protections both written and un-written for women who make false claims.

Many times judges will find a woman to have made a complete fabrication (which is perjury and a mandatory 5 year prison sentence) but instead will let the woman go with a warning. The reasoning is that "to punish a woman for lying before the court about rape MAY scare others away from reporting."

We are at a 40% false reporting because unless a absurd ammount of money was wasted by the police and the judge is personally upset over the fabrication then there is no consequence for false reporting.

8% is too much. 40% is a travesty of justice. Oh and the 40% was the LOW estimate. In the U.S. Army, Air Force, and Navy the number has a deviation as high as 65% and cannot be locked down further because many of the women making the reports opt out of the Military with benefits and honorable discharge before conclusion of the investigation. Its one of those things were the woman in question is gone and later it comes out that she lied for personal gain but nothing can be done. To go after them after separation would be blasted across the media as sexism.

This problem with false accusations really comes home when you are in the military as there are no numbers for women raping men and the SHEER volume of stories were it turns out a bunch of military wives all talked each other into believing a rape happened or a guy was sleeping around while shitting in the woods and freezing their ass off in a tent.

No evidence, no witness, no evidence of there even being sex, or more then one person present but the mere mention of the word rape comes with a loss of freedom, presumption of guilt, and future prospects destroyed.

[–]EricAllonde 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The FBI says 2% but does not state where the number comes from

The oft-quoted 2% figure is bogus, it was made up by someone to use in an after-dinner speech in the 1960s or 1970s. There's no research behind it at all.

I'm pretty sure the FBI most often quotes a figure of 8%, but nearly all the research suggests it is very much on the low side.

[–]Mens-Advocate 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4w1z94/information_about_fbi_8_unfounded_accusation/

[–]TheMarlBroMan 82 points83 points84 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I ask for citations on every claim. Just because I align myself with this cause doesnt mean Im going to accept conclusions based on no information.

[–]mctuking16 32 points33 points34 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

My man. I'm arguably harsher towards people on "my side" on issues because I want them to make correct arguments. Having a view and then blindly accepting any claim that supports that view is a plague on society.

[–]TheMarlBroMan 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Its probably 90% of the problems facing society. We just dont care about truth anymore. Government lies about giving 400 mill ransom and we just move on.

Woman lies about man raping her and the only crime is the inconve ience she causes to civil servants.

Fucked up.

[–]Skipperwastaken 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Citation for the 90% please. On a more serious note, the second part of the article ends with this: only 2-8% of rape accusations turn out to be false, but only 1-8% are true. The 1-8% goes to jail, of course, and then they have to tell everyone around them that they raped someone: their neighbors, their friends and their boss (if they find a job). The 2-8% should get a similar sentence, but they'd have to tell everyone that they falsely accused someone.

[–]TheMarlBroMan 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I prefaced it by saying I think not it will. Opinion vs fact clearly delineated.

I agree that false accusations should get harsh punishments. I just want to see real evidence.

[–]Skipperwastaken 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's what I've said, only the 2-8% and the 1-8% deserve the punishment, and only if there is clear evidence, for example a camera recorded the rape or the guy was at work when the "rape" happened. That's only 3-16%, the rest with no real evidence can stay as it is right now.

[–]Hides_In_Plain_Sight 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agree with you on that; I'm critical of things I love or things that I support because I want them to stay the things I love or support. Letting "my side" slide into the same sort of repeated-ad-nauseam rhetoric without decently cited evidence to back it up undermines and kills things.

[–]Teraperf 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, that's generally not met well around here.

If you point out stereotyping or false claims around here, you just get downvoted.

[–]jrackow 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I desperately want our cause to be filled with reason, and not plagued with the same whackos that run feminism. You can't control everyone, which is great. I just want to align myself with sanity.

[–]NASAmoose 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

WHY ARE LITERALLY ALL OF THE LINKS BROKEN?! the OP's link is broken and your link is broken, too. What the hell??

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zvnB-BTNbU Citation given.

If you don't want to watch the whole video (you should) then jump to the 7:30 mark.

[–]TheMarlBroMan 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not really a citation. All this does is negate any claim of knoing an actual number much less it being higher than some would admit which is the claim that I first challenged.

Also next time GIVE ME THE CITATION.

Even your timestamp was off by at least 5 min.

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[–]Marokiii 62 points63 points64 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

personally i wouldnt group the 'can be disproved' and 'have no supporting evidence' groups together. it will inflate the number. just because theres no evidence the crime took place, does not in fact mean it never took place. it just means that if there is no evidence than there should never be any charges laid and the accused should never have their name released to the public.

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[–]Josneezy 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They said "and can be downright disproven".

[–]Mens-Advocate 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

None with evidence other than their own unsubstantiated claim.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You do realize that "not having proof" and "being false" aren't one in the same, right? One of my old roommates stole $20 out of my room one time. I can't prove it was him. There are no cameras in our room. It wouldn't hold up in court. Did he still steal my $20?

[–]MattShea 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Can you downright disprove it? Because you didn't address that part.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ah I misread the "and" as "or"

Can I get a source for it though? You shouldn't get your facts from unsourced Reddit comments

[–]MattShea 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Tbh the "or" sounds a lot more reasonable to me. Citation would be fantastic.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I recall reading that the ghost of Abraham Lincoln once won a hot-dog eating contest in Taiwan.

Source your claims dude

[–]OhhBenjamin 15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Whats the stats?

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

High.

[–]Kenny_The_Klever 16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Whoa

[–]ProfessorHearthstone 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I had no idea

[–]Perry87 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Big if true.

[–]TyroneBiggums93 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://cdn.niketalk.com/f/f3/f3605f98_MeloFace.jpeg

[–]OhhBenjamin 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Like over 50%, under 50%, where is this information?

[–]NASAmoose 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

[–]OhhBenjamin 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

Two to ten percent?

[–]NASAmoose 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Pretty wide range, but others in this thread are mentioning hilarious numbers like 50% that are not approached by any serious studies.

[–]Mens-Advocate 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bull. Kanin, McDowell, Silverman, Fairstein all put the false accusation rate at >40%.

[–]_treebeard 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Some other comments are saying that 10-20 percent is a low estimate but accepting those 50 percent figures with less evidence (and from less reliable sources) just because it fits what they want to believe.

[–]DragonTamerMCT 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

People confirming their own beliefs and biases in gender politics? Whoa, I've never heard of such a thing! Clearly no one does this! Must be an isolated event

[–]EricAllonde 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

Read further down that page to the Rumney review of all previous studies. The figures they report cluster around a median of about 20%.

[–]OhhBenjamin 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The two paragraphs below that seem to cast doubt on a lot of those stats. Police officers personal judgement is certainly not good enough to classify a person as lying.

We need cases like this one, where someone was proved to be false reporting. They can't just say she doesn't look roughed up enough so its false, or you're too fat to have had your knickers taken off, or the victim didn't act victim like enough so the police made a judgement call.

We don't even know which places counted retracted reports as false reports.

[–]bartink 20 points21 points22 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Which is why we are reading a story from Ireland from 2 years ago? You are making a strong claim that requires strong evidence. Please provide some so we can decide for ourselves if what you are saying is true.

[–]NAFI_S 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Northern Ireland, UK not Ireland

[–]bartink 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I stand corrected. Thanks.

[–]the_calibre_cat 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The politically correct want men to be quiet, obedient, producing, tax-paying automatons that can be jailed upon the mere accusation of rape.

That there exist men in that movement never ceases to excite fantastic wonderment in me.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is too light, it should be 2 years MINIMUM then 10 years of probation after that. Plus there should be a false accuser database that is publicly searchable just like the sex offender database.

[–]Hydranis 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Unfortunately this will never happen in the states. EDIT: Downvoted for what? Every story about a girl falsely crying rape and destroying a mans life never gets in trouble for "fear that real victims will be scared to testify".

[–]TenderWoman 17 points18 points19 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Daily reminder to not have any types of interactions with other humans outside of grocery shopping and work.

Thank you internet for helping he avoid the primates roaming this planet I am trapped on.

[–]Lantisca 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Reminds me of that scene from The Purge where that girl tells the innocent shop owner "Touch me and I'll scream rape, cocksucker". You literally have to walk on eggshells nowadays.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I know right? Fuckin normies with their social lives and friends and sex.

[–]TenderWoman 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

So she cried rape in hopes of punishing some guy. The fair and just punishment then would be to send her to prison for the same length of time that guy would've gotten if he were found guilty, no?

[–]Shoryuhadoken 76 points77 points78 points 9 years ago (40 children) | Copy Link

She should get as much time as the ''rapist'' would've gotten if convicted.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points19 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Shitty post below.

[–]gyllenkron 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I love sifting through shit, so thanks for the heads up.

[–]Aetronn 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

On the plus side, now that she has been convicted, it is perfectly legal to erect billboards with her face and her crimes plastered all over them for the world to see. Let's start a Kickstarter for this project.

[–]scwizard 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I wonder if there will be any feminist outrage.

[–]mindless_gibberish 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Last I checked, we haven't solved every last problem that women have ever had... so, no.

[–]lasssilver 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Like they wouldn't take issue with someone solving all their problems.

[–]mindless_gibberish 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Clearly that would be problematic.

[–]BrocanGawd 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

ATTENTION PLEASE!

Too Everyone That Is Concerned About REAL Rape Victims Being Sent To Prison For Losing A Case

That is not how it would work. A Rape Accuser WILL NOT be sent to prison if the Alleged Rapist is found NOT GUILTY. In order for someone to be sent to Prison For a False Accusation it would have to be PROVEN that they were lying. Failing to convict an alleged rapist is not evidence that the accuser was lying. It only means there was not enough evidence to convict the alleged rapist.

In order for a False Rape Accuser to be sent to prison there would need to be evidence that they were LYING. Just like there needs to be evidence to convict an alleged rapists they same would apply for alleged false accusers.

That's how a FAIR and EQUAL justice system works.

[–]Lethn 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Unfortunately I don't think the people trying to spam about rape victims give a fuck.

[–]BrocanGawd 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Most don't but there are always a few that do.

[–]vladgrinch 19 points20 points21 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Most people on Reddit never read the articles submitted. They are so lazy that they only comment a title that may be inaccurate/misleading.

She got 0 time for ruining someone's reputation/life with false rape allegations . She got 9 months for costing police time and money.

[–]Reived 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Defamation is a civil crime. Needs another court appearance. Unless it's already been done. No info available in the article.

Also the man bears "no harm or ill will" to Tait, why would she get time for ruining a reputation if the defendant doesn't want to pursue it.

[–]thecatgoesmoo 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So Al Capone got zero time for being a gangster?

They charged her with what they could prove and get her found guilty for.

[–]dyarger 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You should look up the difference between civil court and criminal court. You can't charge someone with ruining a reputation in a criminal court; it's not a violation of criminal law. The affected party can however charge them with defamation of character, and sue them in a civil court.

In a criminal court, a law enforcement organization charges an individual/individuals/entity with a crime which violates the law of that law enforcement agencies jurisdiction. The decision to charge the defendant with the crime or not is made by that law enforcement agency, not by the victim (though if the victim makes it clear they will not testify, often times the case is dropped)

In a civil court, the victim levies the charge, independent of any criminal proceedings. Law enforcement may or may not be involved.

Hope this clears things up.

[–]Mens-Advocate 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

In such circumstances criminal defamation is warranted.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation#Criminal_defamation

Further MR must develop masculist law to counter feminist law. If regret is rape, then false accusation is assault (as would surely happen to a nonviolent man in prison).

In fact since many prisoners have AIDS, she should be charged with conspiracy to obstruct justice and conspiracy to commit murder.

[–]FFXIV_Machinist 25 points26 points27 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

on a more comical note- Here are some of the Report commentary on this post:

"triggered Faggot™ le SJW XD 🚾🚾"

"False rape accusations are almost never a thing, your "problems" are invented for attention"

its obvious that SRS or some other sub has decided to invade with downvotes and such.

i'm totally jacking that shitter icon for my mod title.

[–]DragonTamerMCT 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

/r/bestofreports

[–]TheMoistMoustache 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Finally! Some equality we can all believe in

[+][deleted] 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Just curious -- why do you think she should have to register as a sex offender?

[–]kyaj21 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

not gonna speak for him, but I agree. I think of it like a deterrent, making everyone around them aware that they are someone who could and would push such things onto you, and effectively shuts down any chance of interaction with someone on a personal level.

It's harsh, but I think it's necessary.

[–]Razzal 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Almost feels like guys need to start wearing body cams just to make sure their lives don't get ruined cause they piss the wrong woman off.

[–]redditorriot 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Body cams don't necessarily help when your name has already been dragged through the mud.

They also don't help when feminists demand that consent can be taken back at any time post-sex, and also that not saying no or resisting doesn't mean you consented.

[–]-taco 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

B- but that never happens in this world

[–]niteowwl 16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

/r/pussypassdenied

[–]Johannesboy1 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah it's on top all time there, a few years old

[–]DragonTamerMCT 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

My issue with the pussy pass subs is that they're filled with genuinely woman hating guys.

The other day I got told "the law is written by woman so we know women can't get prosecuted for the same charges as men". Like hoooooly shiiiiit. Apparently a bunch of girls sexually assaulting a sleeping man would never make it to court and he would be charged with raping them. Yeah I was genuinely told that.

I love the idea of the subs, but the community is so toxic at times that it makes SRS look rational.

[–]blackhole885 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

oh sweet summer child

lets just hope you never see how the world really is

it might not be as extreme as those cases, but its bad enough it really wouldnt surprise me

[–]clydefrog811 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nine months isn't enough.

[–]matt_b_19 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Mirror

A spurned lover whose cry of rape against an innocent man cost police £10,000 has been jailed for nine months.

Belfast Crown Court heard that Lisha Tait claimed she had been sexually assaulted after being given the "cold shoulder" in a Belfast nightclub by a man she had a previous liaison with.

SHARE The 22-year-old, from Laurel Lodge in the Flush Gardens area of Lisburn, pleaded guilty to perverting the course of justice.

The charge relates to making a false report and two false written statements to police on dates between July 6 and August 15, 2013.

Crown prosecutor Simon Jenkins said the series of events began in the early hours of July 7 last year when police received a call from the Ambulance Service in relation to a distressed woman.

Tait was taken to a Sexual Assault Referral Centre in Antrim where she was examined and made a formal complaint claiming a man she knew had raped her at billboards outside the Odyssey.

Mr Jenkins said that on August 13 last year, Tait made a written statement claiming the man had spoken to her in the Beach Club before grabbing her and sexually assaulting her outside.

The court heard that on September 4, the accused attended a police station voluntarily, where he was questioned for around two hours.

He admitted he had spoken to her in the club but said he didn't leave the premises and denied her allegation.

He also told police they had "been together consensually that week".

The prosecutor said the man gave a DNA sample, and that during the police investigation – which amounted to £10,000 – officers examined CCTV footage which showed Tait exiting the Odyssey alone in an intoxicated state and leaving by herself in a taxi.

Tait was again interviewed by police and on September 16 she said she wanted to "tell the truth."

Mr Jenkins said the following day Tait made a statement to police confirming that she made the story up "on the basis that the man had given her the cold shoulder in the club".

The prosecutor said Tait had expressed remorse and apologised for wasting police time. Defence barrister Mark Farrell cited the incident as "tragic", telling the court "this is a case of a woman scorned".

Mr Farrell said that despite an innocent man "feeling the full weight of a police interview", he bore "no harm or ill will" to Tait.

The barrister also spoke of Tait's alcohol and mephodrone misuse, saying that despite being from a stable family background, his client led "something of a chaotic lifestyle" over the last number of years.

Lisha Tait cried rape against a man she met in the Beach Club at the Odyssey in July 2013. The 22-year-old claimed she was grabbed and pulled outside where she was attacked. However, a police investigation found CCTV footage of her leaving the complex alone in a taxi. The police investigation, which cost £10,000, also established that the accused did not leave the nightclub. Tait later admitted that she made the story up.

[–]pabbenoy 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Fuck yeah. You were about to ruin someone elses life forever and karma bit you in the dumb ass.

[–]Ibarfd 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh don't worry, I'm sure a Google search of his name hits about a dozen news articles from the original allegation.

[–]Shifter86 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (40 children) | Copy Link

The jail time for lying about rape should be the same for rape. That guys life will never be the same.

[–]lagspike 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lying about rape and getting caught lying, should get you a sentence equivalent to actually doing the act.

then we'll see how many people lie about this shit. it's stupid how people can take advantage of double standards: in this case it didnt work but there are many people who arent as fortunate.

[–]Ycjcyad 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She obviously suffers from some kind of pathological disorder, narcissist of course. People like this master being horrible human beings. Their entire lives are made up of lies, deceit, manipulation etc etc. She's good looking, she'll go back to being a horrible person but even better at it. I guarantee it.

[–]Art0fLife 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good. She deserves it. Nine months is even a little light. When these animals are caught, they need to be made an example of to deter others from doing the same. Personally I believe that if you're caught making up the rape and falsely accusing someone, you should get whatever sentence that a rape itself would carry. Even when they are acquitted and it's made known they didn't do it, the accusation sticks in most cases and they never shake it. So, by falsely accusing them, you "rape" them for life more or less.

Crying rape when you're pissed at a guy (or girl) is not only vile, but actually detracts from the claims of those who were actually raped. There's no one on either side of the line who should be ok with liars like this bitch. Every false accusation takes the wind out of the sails of people who are actually raped. They're believed that much less on their accusation every time a false one comes up. Women like this are abusing the men they accuse as well as women (or men) who actually get raped.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dillion Harper?

[–]usku 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I just hope this is the start of a trend. It's nice to see justice.

Also. She is a woman going a women's prison. We all know women can't rape.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good. Meanwhile here in America, mattress girl gets funded by idiot third wave feminists to live and travel to give speeches. One of their figureheads is literally a women who cried rape, lied, got caught, ruined someone's life, and now she gets paid to talk about how terrible rape is and how evil men are.

These are the sort of people that make normal people skeptacle of rape cases.

[–]andrewmail 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To this woman who cried rape, I say, get fucked !

[–]Sepean 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why isn't this on the frontpage with 5000 karma?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is on the front page for me.

[–]Qazxswedcplmoknijb 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My god. Her forehead doesn't even fit in the thumbnail.

[–]TigPlaze 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's sickos like her that make life a living hell not just for men, but also for women who really are rape victims. After she's released from prison, she should have to register as a sex offender.

[–]_Trigglypuff_ 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

She has alcohol and meph habit admittedly. Fairly common in Belfast shithole clubs (everywhere).

Easy to see why MGTOW is on the rise.

[–]akohlsmith 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

meph habit

Is that a recreational drug for people with unusual lisps?

Offhand, why is the word "lisp" describing a trait that people with the trait can't pronounce correctly?

[–]dyarger 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because its darkly humorous.

[–]danarchist 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

PUBLISHED 04/04/2014

[–]Skylightt 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Not a long enough sentence

[–]xsiddy2000x 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is much better than what usually happens, being fuck all. However your right it. If you make false rape accusations in court it should be the exact same penalty as rape. If it was a "terrible" rape that was going to get a worse sentence then the woman should get a worse sentence.

[–]chamaelleon 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That's a slap on the wrist for what could have been a life sentence full or anal rape, had the man been convicted.

Bitch.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The average sentence for rape in the USA at least is 10 years, with the actual time served being 5.4 years.

[–]chamaelleon 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Did I say 'for what is on average a life sentence...?"

No, I said "for what could have been a life sentence."

And since that also does happen, despite the average, my point stands.

Besides, she still only got one sixth of the average of actual time served, and she probably wont serve her entire sentence herself. She'll probably see three months and then have her sentence suspended or commuted, and she'll be out on the street, prowling for her next victim.

Interesting hearing women talked about in those cliché, demonizing terms, isn't it? Our society is so used to heaping those monikers on men, that it probably doesn't sound right to hear women talked about like that too. But it's just as applicable to women. 90% of child and elderly abuse cases are perpetrated by women because those are the groups in society over whom most women can still physically dominate. And when they can physically dominate and force other people, evidence shows women often do. Your gender is just as violent as mine. And it's time society gets on board with that kind of equality, so that we can actually do something about it, instead of scapegoating only men.

[–]OlivierDeCarglass 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

literally r/justiceporn

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good. Fucking cunt.

[–]Grommzz 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What a dead set fucking entitled bitch..

So not all men think youre worth their time.. get over it love. I hope she relives him shutting her down over and over again in jail.

Completely destroying someone's life because you got your knickers in a double knot, is not cool !

[–]ollyollyollyoioioi[🍰] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

9 months isn't much. The guy she accused would have probably got just a little bit longer and not only that, she wasted a lot of Police time and resources. Thank god they didn't give her benefeit of the doubt for having a vagina. Hopefully the message gets across.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The man's name and reputation are still ruined

[–]Geralt-of_Rivia 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good. Not long enough though.

[–]redditorriot 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Nine months for trying to destroy a man's life. Fucking absurd.

[–]xsiddy2000x 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is much better than what usually happens, being fuck all. However your right it. If you make false rape accusations in court it should be the exact same penalty as rape. If it was a "terrible" rape that was going to get a worse sentence then the woman should get a worse sentence.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

IMO if you are caught lying about rape or any crime, then your punishment should be equivalent to what the accused would have gotten.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Mind you this is "enlightened" Europe, still not in the US.

[–]liquidserpent 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not so sure I'd call Northern Ireland "enlightened"

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Is it just me, or are these false accusations happening a lot?

[–]ImGoingToTroll 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Not to be a dick.... But i am not a good looking man by any means. But looking at that face even i drunk as hell still wouldn't touch that woman with a 300 foot pole.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You god damn rapist!

[–]ImGoingToTroll 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Apparently😶

[–]PMMEYOURUNDERBOOBS 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot of Irish women think their gods gift to men, her ego really got the better of her.

[–]Hahnsolo11 -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Meh, Iv fucked worse

[–]goobly_goo 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Interestingly, the article has a TL;DR at the end.

[–]fadadapple 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

good

[–]ZimbaZumba 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

If this was England or Wales the DPP Allison Saunders and her crew would not even of charged this woman. All such cases have to have her approval before going to prosecution.

[–]OhhBenjamin 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Why would they not charge her?

[–]ZimbaZumba 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Because "It discourages 'Rape' victims from coming forward" is the mantra. Saunders is on a political crusade with her 'victim' centered and 'we believe the victim' approach.

When she instigated this policy the number of false rape convictions took a massive dip. The number of rape charges also hit an all time high with little change in the number of convictions. We also had show trials of public figures with few convictions.

She is an ideologue who has felt emboldened by the Jimmy Saville debacle.

[–]OhhBenjamin 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

All cases of wasting police time have to go through her? That sounds dubious as they are so many that a single person wouldn't have the time.

She can't stop the police taking someone to court, and if you're on CCTV (and not an American cop) its a slam dunk case.

[–]ZimbaZumba 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No, all charges relating to false rape accusation, either for wasting police time or perverting the course of justice, have to cross her desk for approval before going to court.

The DPP can stop any case proceeding to court, it is the Crown Prosecution Service who decides if cases go to court not the police. The police merely collect evidence and make recommendations.

The local CPS must send the case to her for approval before they can take it to court.

[–]OhhBenjamin 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Didn't know that, thanks.

[–]ZimbaZumba 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No problem.

[–]ustael 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Does anyone think she will actually server the full nine months? How long would the innocent man be put away for if they believed her lies?

[–]Teaandfkncookies 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good. She should face the consequences of her false rape claim. Destroying a man's life by falsely accusing him of rape is despicable, and makes it harder for the next rape victim to be believed.

[–]BetterThanYou 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand. A feminist told me this never ever happens. Help?

[–]Roslindros 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She had it coming

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To all of you who believe that a guy accused of rape doesn't deserve due process- Here is a shining example of why you are an idiot.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

9 months? A rape charge practically, and it should, ends a guys life and is prison for years. If he comes out alive, most rapists are killed in prison, he'll be shunned for the rest of his life. Atleast give her 5-10 years.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Most rapists are killed in prison? Do you have any sources for this?

[–]HappyBengal 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

/r/UpliftingNews

[–]bindeexplode 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

good shit!

[–]Prcrstntr 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This happened in Ireland and not America

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seems fair that she should get the same amount of time he would have.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

9 months seems a bit lenient. She should at the very least get a full year.

[–]GroovingPict 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good, but too little. Unless 9 months is what the accused would have gotten had she gotten away with the false accusation. But somehow I suspect they would have gotten more than that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Those eyebrows tho.

[–]Ransal 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

feminism is still going to say the guy got away with it and we're punishing the victim, seriously evil cult feminism.

[–]superblobby 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah, nothing like justice.

[–]Larmeh 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is old news of a girl who went to my school, she was in the year below me.

She was always a bit of a whacko from the little amount I saw of her in the corridors but moreover her atrociously loud and obnoxious English accented voice was a telltale sign that I should just stay away from her.

Hate me for generalising but she wasn't originally from Ireland.

[–]ENTP 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It should be 9 years.

[–]cessation23 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She should get the same sentence he would have gotten if he had have done it. Edit=Spelling

[–]iHeartCandicePatton 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, why do you ask?

[–]Canttakethewhyfromme 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know. She confessed that she made it all up and is now going to jail. What if she had never confessed and continued with the prosecution? As fucked up as this is, all it is doing is telling women that if you lie about a sex crime, stick with your lie

[–]WolfeBane84 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She got the cold shoulder because of those Comic Sans eyebrows.

[–]Fempireisbae 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The thumbnail looks like that one pornstar

[–]darwinsaves 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This article is so badly written that it takes away from this very important story.

[–]TyrionLannister2012 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

/r/awefuleyebrows

[–]Praefectus_Blasius 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lel that would be ironic if she gets raped in prison hah. She'd prolly enjoy it

[–]McFeely_Smackup 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Mr Farrell said that despite an innocent man “feeling the full weight of a police interview”, he bore “no harm or ill will” to Tait

I have to wonder if someone trying to put an innocent man in prison for trivial reasons isn't enough to engender "ill will" with him, what will?

[–]Imnotmrabut 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Being misquoted by the media.

What he actualy said was:

"I bear no ill will against her. I'm not a vengful person. I have a soliscitor to do that, who is suing her for her house, car, widescreen TV and any earnings she has from here on out. I have told by brief to own her! Why wish to harm here when atorneys are so much better at it.".

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[–]YouAreAFuckingCock 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women never lie about rape because its too uncomfortable. I'm going to leak this judge's information.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why is everyone here so quick to welcome censorship for ideas you find reprehensible? Challenge them for fuck sakes instead of censoring them. I have lost loads of respect for the mods.

[–]Imnotmrabut 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's so nice to see a 5000+ vote on a Criminal Case.

It will upset a few Femiloons and Jess Phillips MP (Their Ring Leader)!

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

hell yea i hate these types of bitches.

[–]DrScientist812 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

beep beep Have a good time!

[–]fcb98292 -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Western women tend to hold these general views of men:

  1. If a man notices me, he is a pervert.
  2. If a man fails to notice me, he is stupid.

Fuck you, whores.

[–]zebrinydeep 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ahhh, thank you!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is good. Carry on

[–]SantaIsRealEh 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

At fucking last, some justice in these kind of cases.

[–]TheMarlBroMan 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Did you read the article? Title is not accurate. Thats not why shes in jail

[–]SantaIsRealEh 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I did, I should have worded comment different.

[–]Gambitofgaming 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good

[–]sennhauser 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Next week she claims that the judge raped her.

[–]LAGreggM 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hope the people that think due process should not be granted to victims of false allegations read this and learn from it.

Bitch deserves this.

[–]safarijane 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What a scummy person. She doesnt even know what sexual abuse can seriously do to a person let alone crying wolf when NOTHING even happened. What a true scum lord

[–]vman4402 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And this is why we have due process. The only thing "I hope" happens to her is that she wakes up and realizes that false rape accusations are not tools to use when you're angry at someone.

[–]Fender420 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You gotta love social justice...

[–]TesticleElectrical 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

Haven't read the article yet, but I'll leave an edit after I do.

I'm betting $50 this happened in the UK or another English speaking country that isn't the US. Reason being, women are hardly ever prosecuted in the US for making false rape accusations because "It'll deter actual victims from coming forward" bullshit mentality.

The reason that's a bullshit mentality is just because someone went to prison for insurance fraud, that doesn't mean when my car catches fire after an accident I'm going to be like, "Well that one guy went to prison for arson and insurance fraud, I better not report this to the police or my insurance company, I might go to prison".

Edit: Northern Ireland, I was extremely close. Or is Northern Ireland part of the UK?

And archive link because the page is down.

[–]Mooremaid 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Jeez is surprising how many people dont know the countries that make up the UK. Yes Northern Ireland is part of the UK

[–]TesticleElectrical 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Because why would I ever need to know what counties make up the UK? I don't have a job that has anything to do with the UK, I've never been to the UK and probably never will travel to the UK, and I don't know anyone from the UK.

Can you name the provinces of Russia or China?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes I could name the provinces of Russia and China.

But that's because I'd be fired probably if I couldn't even do that in my job

[–]booyah2 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Man I posted this a year ago. The article that keeps on giving. Congrats OP

[–]DearDarlingDearling 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

These people who claim false rape need to be taught that it's a disgusting thing to do and serve time for it. It's good that she has been jailed. This is progressive for both men and women. Since high school, I've started to see females claim that they're pregnant just to get a guys attention and now that I'm an adult, women are starting to claim false rape. It's disgusting. It makes me ashamed to be a woman. I hate people that make false claims to specifically ruin someone's life. That isn't right and she deserves all of the time she gets.

[–]pwnedkiller 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She looks like the type of crazy that would pull this shit.

[–]iHeartCandicePatton 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Reading news like this makes me erect

[–]onederful 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

9 months? that's a justice baby right there.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

they should have put her in prison for those eyebrows

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Weird, just in the past few days I've seen more than one post on r/Gamerghazi all but asserting that false rape claims don't actually occur. This story is obviously shitlord MRA victim-blaming propaganda.

[–]xUnderoath 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly I respect real rape victims enough to say that this girl deserves every day of that sentence for disparaging the seriousness of actual rape.

[–]fumanchu4u 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

stuff like this and the movie Gone Girl make me scared of women sometimes

[–]IslandTourTwist 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

9 months is nothing.

[–]theegrimrobe 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Term needs to be longer

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it's wonderful that she has been jailed as that allegation could have ruined the guy's life. I hope she now understands the severity of her actions.

I have a question - How did this investigation cost £10,000? Surely all you have to do is ask witnesses and look through CCTV?

[–]WorldMarauder 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good I'm glad this happened to her! Back in high school, & college we all knew a girl that was a closet slut. Anyways she got caught riding this guy in the middle of the floor in a room and everyone walked in & saw. She denied it and said the person she was on top of was raping her. (Sure looked like she was enjoying herself) Anyways ruined the guys reputation and people who weren't at the party took her side because she was "innocent and would never do a nasty thing like sex" People like these "girls"(aren't classy enough to be women EVER!) have such a putrid brain. Now that she's being jail for 9 months, if she didn't know what rape was. She's sure is about to find out. ...fucking whore.

[–]GeekofFury 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Good! If you can reasonably prove that the accuser falsely reported a rape willfully and knowingly, then they SHOULD go to jail.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the shift is coming it seems, false rape accusers getting what they deserve ie jail time. fucking good, let it be a lesson to people who think crying wolf is going to benefit you it wont.

[–]TheCitizenAct 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

A false accusation of racism should be as socially toxic as the perpetration of actual racism. A false accusation of rape should carry as severe a sentence as that handed down to someone found guilty of rape.

n.b. this isn't a new story. It was originally published by the Belfast Telegraph on 4th April, 2014. She has long since been released from prison. The infuriating part is she wasn't incarcerated for making a false accusation, she was incarcerated for perverting the course of justice. http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/woman-who-cried-rape-after-getting-cold-shoulder-in-belfast-nightclub-is-jailed-for-nine-months-30153782.html

[–]NotHankMoody 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why you shouldn't reject unattractive women

[–]Tomes2789 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

9 months is a joke.

If I had my way, anyone who got convicted of false rape accusations would have to serve the same amount of time as the person they accused would have had to serve if they had been convicted.

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