Feminist group admits 'pay gap' is caused by women's choices

fengpi · 2017-09-23T09:42:49+00:00

women can’t avoid “societal bias by choosing a career in an occupation that is higher paying.”

No. No they can't. I guess they'll just have to take that higher pay and suffer.

Professor_Yaffle · 2017-09-23T12:21:30+00:00

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girlwriteswhat · 2017-09-23T12:16:44+00:00

They're still making assumptions about that last 7 to 8% that they can't properly substantiate, as far as I can tell. It's not explainable by the factors they included, but that doesn't mean that all relevant factors influencing pay were included.

1up_for_life · 2017-09-23T13:32:53+00:00

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jayjester · 2017-09-23T11:12:06+00:00

It's a step in the right direction, even if the fact is that the pay gap is a fallacy.

ralphswanson · 2017-09-23T15:26:18+00:00

Men and women differ in many ways. Whenever men excel, such as earning more, we blame discrimination. Any other explanation would be misogyny. Whenever women excel, such as winning child custody, living longer, avoid workplace accidents, not being homeless, or staying out of prison we conclude female superiority.

So women are now suing Google because most of the better software engineers are men, even though Google has affirmative action for women. Thus, Google hires lesser performing women because they are women and then they are advanced slower than the men hired on merit. Then these women sue. That makes no sense. Men ought to sue Google for having affirmative action against men in the first place. But in our gyrocentric society, that would be laughed out of court.

cxj · 2017-09-23T15:44:08+00:00

HOLY SHIT pigs do fly 😱

What's next: waking up next to a guy remembering nothing is not inherently rape?

Septicrogue · 2017-09-23T14:07:44+00:00

Feminist: It's our choice but let's blame men anyway.

Brusanan · 2017-09-23T17:03:32+00:00

From the AAUW article:

Don’t men work longer hours than women? Most published pay gap estimates compare full-time workers with other full-time workers. But yes, women are more likely than men to work part time, and among full-time workers, men work longer hours on average than do women. However, on average women do more housework and care work than men. Men’s longer work hours are subsidized and facilitated by unpaid labor done by women, contributing to the gender pay gap.

Women should be paid more by their employers because they may or may not be working for free for someone else on the side.

Just ignore the fact that the someone else is her husband, who most likely IS giving her money from his pay check.

StonetheThrone · 2017-09-23T12:31:59+00:00

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2017-09-23T16:14:38+00:00

Well, according to the Korn Ferry Hay group, who did the first large scale study that drilled down to the level where they compared people working for the same company and with the same job title, that 7% is actually an average of 1.6% across the 30+ nations and 8M+ people they studied.

Government studies (or private studies that use government job statistics) all have a larger unexplained residual because they only drill down to federal job classifications, or industry, rather than to the actual employer. We all know that employers in the same field don't all pay the same, so the only accurate measure means drilling down to the company, at the very least.

Korn Ferry Hay Group Wage Gap Study..

Juan_Golt · 2017-09-23T14:37:56+00:00

Feminists tend to lie about conclusions not statistics. They do this so they can always retreat to the "look it up it's a true stat" even if it has nothing to do with what they claim it means.

CopyX · 2017-09-23T14:17:56+00:00

Feminists have said this often. They want to discuss why women chose different fields, how their timing and life choices affect where they end up in education and employment. The ability to choose how and when a woman gets pregnant is of super importance to feminists, allowing women to achieve higher education and higher share of the wages. But this is an issue that's ignored by the easy straw man that the pay gap doesn't exist. It's multifactoral, but we can't get over bashing feminists to have that discussion.

Razvedka · 2017-09-23T17:09:35+00:00

7-8% pay gap due to gender descrimination? I suppose them admitting to a lower figure is a win, but even this seems too high to me. Not saying it isn't true, I'm just surprised and skeptical.

BernieMakesSaudisPay · 2017-09-23T14:42:25+00:00

http://freakonomics.com/podcast/the-true-story-of-the-gender-pay-gap-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/

Hazzman · 2017-09-23T20:24:09+00:00

You should probably read the original article:

http://www.aauw.org/article/faq-about-the-gender-pay-gap/

MJVerostek · 2017-09-23T19:00:17+00:00

Doesn't matter.

They'll claim those choices are caused by "The Patriarchy" and "internalized misogyny" rather than a lack of foresight and personal responsibility.

QueenCuntie · 2017-09-23T17:34:02+00:00

Of course women's choices are a cause, is anyone actually trying to argue that women aren't choosing their career paths?

BlackBoxInquiry · 2017-09-23T20:51:34+00:00

whaaaaat?

So it's what has been said by those with common sense for how long??!??

LOL

2017-09-23T21:34:28+00:00

About fucking time.

kielly32 · 2017-09-23T22:57:31+00:00

I fought for an hour with some feminazi teenager on Periscope one day about pay gap and "most men" being perverted creeps. One minute she was acting foolish playing guitar, next minute she was in a full on "fuck men" rant.

It's honestly tragically sad how much radical feminism influences the young. I really don't want to be around in another couple centuries to see the world.

BFCE · 2017-09-23T17:08:34+00:00

Although you'll get way more scholarships for a field like computer science just for being a woman.

ifelsedowhile · 2017-09-23T20:38:12+00:00

If women want to focus on career instead of family, why don't they marry a stay at home husband? when I was jobless I was more than willing to be one, but no woman would consider me as a viable option because they expect men to contribute financially one way or another.

g_squidman · 2017-09-23T19:07:36+00:00

Let me help you all out here.

Yeah, this isn't news. This is old. The question is whether society pressures women to make choices that put them in lower income positions. "Personal choice" is not a thing here. There's no, "then they can choose to make a different choice!" option here. When we talk about general trends and large groups, circumstances always rule over individual decisions, period.

This is what feminism has always been about. They battle the wage gap at the root, with the early childhood STEM programs.

But you want to talk about men's rights, correct? Let's talk about men's rights then.

The assertion feminism makes is that societal pressure restricts women's decisions to choose higher paying careers. But what if there's an opposite effect?

Obviously, societal pressure pushes men to take higher paying careers too. It's something we've always talked about. Men take the dangerous and disgusting jobs as well. We're the ones taking out the trash and putting our life on the line. Maybe we're also making personal sacrifices in favor of positions of status? If society is causing men to earn more, what are we losing instead? Our social lives? Our love lives? Our family lives?

We're always talking about middle age suicide rates. That could be a byproduct of men always making the decision that leads to a fulfilling career, at the sacrifice for other things.

And let's think about this. People will make the decision that ultimately help them the most, unless there is pressure from society to choose otherwise. So is society pushing women more than men? Women have had decades of feminism helping them break society's gender roles. Men haven't.

[So this is what happens] (https://i.redd.it/huldca470hnz.jpg)

2017-09-23T14:17:54+00:00

Feminist group admits 'pay gap' is caused by women's choices

No they didn't. They just chose a smaller percentage for some reason.

joshafool · 2017-09-24T00:19:22+00:00

One feminist group down. Millions left to go. Someone tell the Prime Minister of Canada Justin Trudumb about this.

chambertlo · 2017-09-24T00:32:57+00:00

Has hell frozen over and no one told me?

aramn76 · 2017-09-24T02:27:10+00:00

female thinking "I'm being payed clearly because my choice and my selfish thinking."

Female saying "I'm being discriminated on my pay because of my gender."

dem_c · 2017-09-24T02:30:58+00:00

What pay gap?

https://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2017/08/daily-chart

fengpi · 2017-09-24T04:48:42+00:00

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-redditardation- · 2017-09-24T08:02:01+00:00

Well, time to dictate exactly what women must do. For 'the greater good' of course.

[TRADITIONALISM INTENSIFIES]

DavidByron2 · 2017-09-26T17:05:47+00:00

It's caused by men's LACK of a choice.

GuffinMuffin · 2017-09-23T12:30:14+00:00

How is this related to men's rights?

2017-09-23T16:50:39+00:00

Nope it’s caused by the fact that women have maternity leave and men dont

2017-09-23T19:08:22+00:00

Why does it take a feminist group saying what we already know for people to believe it? I would argue there is no 'pay gap' or even a negative pay gap when accounting for on the job deaths and potential future earnings.

explodingwombat · 2017-09-23T19:13:22+00:00

I mean I think we really can't do more for women than we have, look at the STEM degrees. There's so much encouragement there for women, and yet there's still so little, they just don't want to do it. Just like there's a shortage of men in cosmetology. Making a degree easier and easier to obtain doesn't change a thing if the person just flat out isn't interested in it in the first place. Men are the workhorses of society, we picked practical things, women were the ones to play around with emotion and socializing (which isn't a bad thing in today's society)since the beginning of time since they had the fundamental biological advantage/necessity that allowed them to do so.

-nnn- · 2017-09-23T15:28:18+00:00

r/MensRights admits the 'pay gap' exists

2017-09-23T13:17:16+00:00

This isn't new, feminists have said that for a while.

21stdeadcats · 2017-09-23T14:55:47+00:00

They've literally always "admitted" this. If y'all are gonna insist on being losers who base their lives around hating feminism, at least have the fuckin' guts to actually do research into the opposing ideas.

totalynotaNorwagian · 2017-09-23T13:49:57+00:00

This isn't new. Feminist have always said this.

tmone · 2017-09-23T19:14:39+00:00

Can I ask you guys a question?

Why is the fact that people repeat the 'pay gap myth' a problem?

If it's a myth, and men and women are already paid generally the same amount for the same work -- and the reason for the pay gap is because men and women choose different lines of work -- then a law or policy requiring men and women to receive the same pay for the same work would be a harmless tchotcke that would have no real-world effect on anything.

And if it's not a myth in some cases, and such policies result in men and women being paid the same amount for the same work, isn't that a good thing? Isn't equality and fairness the goal of men's rights activists, as it should be of any gender based activism?

Thanks

Idkawesome · 2017-09-24T00:58:52+00:00

There are different situations that have different causes. In a movie, where a female actress is starring alongside a male role equally, yet she gets paid less, I can't see there being any other cause than simple discrimination.

Other times it's caused by circumstance. Women aren't as comfortable being knowledgeable in certain masculine industries. That leads to them being slightly more difficult to work with, so that makes sense that they'd get paid less in that circumstance.

But there are other examples of it just being simple discrimination I'm sure.

Fmrsomuch · 2017-09-23T20:46:20+00:00

This sub is fucking trash.

Feminist group admits 'pay gap' is caused by women's choices

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