Redpill dudes, do you actually believe rich men date broke women?

WilliamWyattD · 2023-05-29T22:30:46+00:00

Class is not entirely defined by money. Rich guys will date broke women occasionally, but you are right it is rare for many reasons. Still, sometimes there can be enormous gaps in income.

jay10033 · 2023-05-29T23:55:20+00:00

Not a redpiller, but you do know broke/low-income people also exist in what you believe are "professional" jobs?

Wide-Illustrator2906 · 2023-05-29T21:39:10+00:00

You can't forget about social classes when you speak on women dating men who make more than them. The pretty girl working at Walmart isn't dating a doctor but she is dating a plumber that's making 90,000 a year(I personally know this couple).

63daddy · 2023-05-30T00:04:33+00:00

There are rich men who pay to date broke women. It’s called sugar dating.

neinhaltchad · 2023-05-30T01:16:14+00:00

Yes. If she is hot enough.

The end.

Chokeman · 2023-05-29T23:44:37+00:00

Well, it depends on the woman being a blue collar or white collar worker.

I can't imagine a rich guy marrying a blue collar girl who works in Starbucks, Walmart without getting ridiculed by his family and social circle. It's extremely rare you can just ignore all the cases that happened.

But you can see a rich guy marrying a nurse, teacher occasionally. It doesn't happen all the time but can happen.

JadedButWicked · 2023-05-30T00:23:55+00:00

You are exaggerating this.

I’d say 95% of people date and marry within their class. You say this because you are conditioned to think women dating men "slightly better" is "dating in their class".

Even though men make more, women date men who disproportionately make more than the average gap between men and women. I believe the number is 30% despite their being a 20% gap on average.

There is also height. Women date men who are disproportionately taller than the average of 4 inches.

Age. The average 20 year old women dates a 23 year old man. This is is huge gap because we are taught to think it's "normal" because it's what women want.

Intelligence. Because of the age gap, it's fair to say their is a Intellect gap too, no different than older women and younger men.

Fitness. Outside of yoga and a few others, most go to any gym or recreational sport and you will see more men. They are in better shape than women.

One of the only advantages women have is education but they still make less money so they cancel this out.

Despite preaching about equality for the last decade, women only date men who are "slightly better at life than them".

Smoogs2 · 2023-05-30T01:16:41+00:00

You’re defining “date” too strictly as if it solely means “seeking a long term relationship with the intent of marriage.”

Rich men “date” broke girls all the time in the cities I’ve lived. Wall St guys dating dancers, consultants dating congressional aides etc… People casually date. It’s not strictly about LTR for marriage. Sometimes it’s just about fun company doing something enjoyable together and sex.

These broke women are in the same class as them though. It's not like they are picking up trailer park trash and bringing them to the French Embassy ball.

Mr_Chad_Thunderpenis · 2023-05-30T02:36:26+00:00

Not sure why people struggle to get their mind around this very simple fact. I see it asked again and again. The reality is that the vast majority of men vastly prioritize looks, and rarely care about the income/status of a woman. All men know this, and the men who pretend otherwise are either lying or deluding themselves because they can't get the woman they want. I mean can it be even more obvious? The hot girl enters a room, where do all men look at and keep looking at? I am having doubts whether some people even socialize nowadays.

It might be a toss up if a man's options are a hot doctor vs. a hot bartender. But if his options are a hot bartender vs. a plain looking doctor, the hot bartender wins 9 out of 10 times, it's not even close.

This is a tired old question and I am pretty triggered when people claim that this is somehow something that is only parroted by those "bad red pill men". It's not, it's freaking common sense and basic social awareness.

BigZaddyZ3 · 2023-05-29T21:59:58+00:00

They date women much “broker” than themselves, yes. But I agree that it’s over exaggerated in Redpill circles at times. Unless we’re talking about women hot enough to be models or influencers or whatever. But at that point, we again aren’t talking about average women.

Also I will say that modern social media probably is making this more common in the modern dating world. (which might not show up that much in the data yet.) But I still don’t expect it to become a full blown phenomenon any time soon.

Environmental_Day558 · 2023-05-29T21:57:53+00:00

If you walk into a Walmart, what percentage of women working there do you think are dating doctors, lawyers, engineers, athletes etc? (DATING not sleeping with)

This argument makes no sense, because the women that would normally be working at Walmart wouldn't have to if they dated highly paid men. Either they'd transition to homemaker role or they'd have access to a less laborious/stressful role since they are less likely to "need" to make income to survive, so they are free to pursue their passions.

I'm not RP, but one thing I agree with is that men value youth, beauty, and femininity over a woman's work history. A cute friendly and agreeable batista would be more desirable than a c suite executive with a type A personality. You do often see professional women dating professional men because of access and the women's unwillingness to "date down", but for men this isn't a factor.

I'm going to post some data here. When asked, 90% of men say it's important for their wives to be caring and compassionate. Only 32% said it's important for women to be able to financially support a family and 35% said it's important for her to be well educated.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/09/20/americans-see-men-as-the-financial-providers-even-as-womens-contributions-grow/

Also, in relationships 55% of men are the primary breadwinner (earning 60% or more of the income), and 29% of relationships are egalitarian (men and women earning between 40-60%).

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/04/13/in-a-growing-share-of-u-s-marriages-husbands-and-wives-earn-about-the-same/

That said, rich men will easily date a broke woman, just her lifestyle would be transformed after. Personal anecdote, I'm not rich but I make a little over 100k more than my fiance does. When we got together she would have been considered broke, she lived with her parents and I had my own place. Before her I once dated a woman who at once time made more than me (I caught up eventually). It's day and night which relationship is the better one tbh.

TheRedPillRipper · 2023-05-29T23:57:35+00:00

Date? No. Sleep with? All the time.

Godspeed and good luck!

puddingbike · 2023-05-29T21:58:19+00:00

If you walk into a Walmart, what percentage of women working there do you think are dating doctors, lawyers, engineers, athletes etc? (DATING not sleeping with)

The problem with this premise is that female beauty has such an incredible, fucking mind-destroying power in the USA that it's unlikely that a beautiful woman is going to be working at Walmart in the first place. Her beauty alone will provide better alternatives to that without her even seeking them out.

Inb4: "I know a gorgeous woman who works there!"

Yes, there can be exceptions to everything, but we talk about society in generalities.

John_Oakman · 2023-05-29T21:50:52+00:00

Social classes doesn't necessarily have to match economic classes, and those that have one but not the other will try to leverage what they have to get what they desire (wealth/social status). Yes, this means that the starbucks worker and full time social activist with a non STEM degree and student loan debt has higher social status than the blue collar work making 6 figures with a stint of military service but no degree.

Also social/economic mobility of the wealthy male in question: did they move upwards during their formative years? They there might have a higher chance of finding kinship with the social class/economic class they started out as rather than the one they ended up in.

Over_North8884 · 2023-05-30T02:59:47+00:00

If you walk into a Walmart, what percentage of women working there do you think are dating doctors, lawyers, engineers, athletes etc? (DATING not sleeping with)

Nearly zero percent. The beautiful women easily graduate from their economic class, usually by dating wealthy men, but sometimes with occupations that take advantage of their appearance.

SteelFox144 · 2023-05-30T03:13:50+00:00

I'm not a redpill dude by a long shot, but rich men date broke women all the time. The only thing I can guess is that you don't think about women being broke when they've been with a rich guy and living off the money he makes for a long time. I know lots of old rich guys who's wives were working around the level of waitresses when they met.

It's not even that rich men try to date broke women. It's just that it's not a factor. If a guy meets a sweet, attractive woman, he gets along great with her, and she's into him, he's fairly likely to marry her. It doesn't matter if she's a banker or a stocker at Wal-Mart.

You're right that not many women working at Wal-Mart are dating doctors, lawyers, engineers, athletes, etc, but there also also aren't that many doctors, lawyers, engineers, athletes, etc compared to the number of women working at Wal-Mart and similar level jobs. Not to mention, the women who date high income men don't typically continue to hold those jobs. How many doctors, lawyers, engineers, athletes, etc do you know of who's wives don't work for a loving at all? How many wives have businesses they started with their husband's funding or received training while being supported by their husbands?

Statistically, women don't marry below their class. However, rich women are still going to marry some man if they want to marry a man. Since almost every rich woman is going to be with a rich man, the percentage of rich men who date in their class is going to be higher than it would be if the only factor was who the men were willing to date. I'd guess it would be around 65-ish%.

questioningfeminist · 2023-05-30T17:12:50+00:00

Tiger Woods had an affair with a waitress.

Arnold Schwarzenegger had an affair with his nanny.

Yes, they do.

purplish_possum · 2023-05-29T21:32:45+00:00

If she's significantly better looking than what he could otherwise get sure. But he's not going to marry her.

However, unless she's a total gold digger, a hot broke chick is not going to want to date an unattractive rich guy.

harmonica2 · 2023-05-29T21:18:54+00:00

I agree and I don't believe it as I don't see it with non-rich women I know.

NefariousNaz · 2023-05-30T00:37:09+00:00

Plenty of rich men date broke women. Men don't generally care about what the woman's class is. I married a woman that lived in a favela in a 3rd world country.

That said, I think most women in the USA don't care about their husband's class either. I work in finance. All the young 20-something professional girls/women were dating blue collared guys or even guys without a job at all.

Ok_Tomorrow_3963 · 2023-05-29T22:02:08+00:00

The thing about "broke" is that it often just means someone with a modest income (especially when it's women talking about "broke men"), and not necessarily someone with chronic financial problems.

You can be making 500k yearly but on the verge of bankruptcy and many women would probably think you're the shit because you have all these nice things. They'll see the nice house, flashy cars and sailboat, not the millions in debt and negative net worth.

Men have no problem dating women with a significant difference in salary. A professional making 100k would have no issue dating a nice Starbucks barista or a hair stylist.

Preme2 · 2023-05-30T00:56:54+00:00

Redpill dudes, do you actually believe rich men date broke women?

date

Lol there goes that word again. Being rich is rare itself, so guys dating broke women would be an even rarer occurrence.

How many above average men are looking to have a serious relationship/marry below average women? Few.

Spare-Estimate5596 · 2023-05-30T00:57:56+00:00

The point is even if they are just FWB they are getting things from that relationship that an average man cant give her

Phillysportsfan52 · 2023-05-30T01:55:37+00:00

Its because they dont run in the same circles, he is just less likely to run into someone like that naturally. I dont think most men tho are judging a womans income the same way woman judge mens income. If he met a woman he really liked and she was good in every other aspect other than her career most would overlook it imo. I dont think the same would apply to most woman who would label the guy “lazy” or a “loser”.

Most men with good income are surrounded by women running in those same circles. He isnt selecting for income just way more likely to run into those individuals

Ciabatta_Scoober · 2023-05-30T03:15:36+00:00

Not all broke women work at Walmart.

Plenty have masters degrees and work for nonprofits or government or education and have negative net worths into their mid 30s.

I’ve dated multiple women where there was more than a $500k difference between our net worths.

Old_Speed_7861 · 2023-05-30T03:21:23+00:00

Depends on what they look like. Many athletes, rappers and actors do. Other wealthy men as well

eye_of_gnon · 2023-05-30T03:45:25+00:00

I know for a fact that rich men date broke women, they don't even think much about the women's class at all especially if they're rich and can afford to pay for her

For a lot of men physical appearance really does beat everything else, especially rich men who don't need to care if the wife makes money or not

AreJewOkay · 2023-05-30T03:48:39+00:00

I’m would not say I’m rich but I make 200k+ per year and I’ve dated lots of broke women. I’d rather date a younger, more beautiful, friendly/kind woman who doesn’t have much money over a woman who makes a lot but doesn’t have those traits and also doesn’t have free time. At a certain income I feel as if your partners income isn’t really a factor anymore.

I would date a high income earner and it’s definitely a positive, the other traits are just far more important.

SteveSan82 · 2023-05-30T08:50:45+00:00

Yes they do. Rich women on the other hand only date rich men or men of higher status

wes_bestern · 2023-05-29T22:11:28+00:00

I'm not a redpill guy, but I have known firsthand rich men who date broke women.

You might not realize it because broke women in ltrs with rich men spend their man's money and are considered rich themselves even if they're just a housewife.

headbandjoseph · 2023-05-29T22:38:27+00:00

I agree that girls working at Walmart aren't normally dating rich guys, but it's fairly normal for a 8+/10 girl from a middle-class family to date up for wealth. She's not working McDonald's, but she's also not exactly making the big bucks, probably in some white collar role like graphic designer

asdf333aza · 2023-05-29T23:18:56+00:00

Is tiger woods not being sued by his nobody ex for kicking her out of his house?

Is Michael Strahan not being sued by his nobody ex for an increase in child support even though his kids are already 18?

Isn't israel adesanya being sued by his nobody ex for half of everything he owns even though he never had children with her and never married her?

Marriage and dating is nothing but a transfer of wealth from men to women. You either do so through child support or alimony or by keeping the chick around and funding her lifestyle.

come_crawling_faster · 2023-05-29T21:42:10+00:00

No, not broke but Rich guy would happily date a nurse, school teacher, etc

A rich woman would say a teacher or a non-doctor healthcare worker is "beneath" her

SorryEm · 2023-05-29T22:05:40+00:00

Yes. Wealth is and should be a non factor for men.

peteypete78 · 2023-05-29T21:31:33+00:00

First you need to define what rich is.

Second, how broke is broke.

Ill-Menu5401 · 2023-05-29T21:56:51+00:00

If she's hot then why wouldn't he use his wealth superiority to his advantage to at least bust some high quality deep nuts?

TermAggravating8043 · 2023-05-29T21:35:13+00:00

I’ll rephrase it for you fir a more realistic question

Men with money, do you deliberately go after young/vulnerable women??

keenenandraz · 2023-05-29T22:31:24+00:00

Define what you mean by "class" here? Are we talking class as in being from a prestigious family, or class as in same tax bracket? I don't believe an unattractive woman becomes more attractive to men just because she makes more money. Men have never had a problem dating women who don't make nearly as much as they do. Especially, if the expectation is that they're going to be the provider anyway and assuming they have more than enough to do so. Then the woman's money becomes irrelevant to the guy, since he's not going to use it anyway. It will just benefit the woman to have more money for herself. All of this is irrelevant to how attractive she is to the guy.

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bad_nerves · 2023-05-30T01:24:02+00:00

vast majority of umc guys i know are betas and don't date broke bitches but i've seen some rich prole taste guys date broke bitches

Helpful-Towel857 · 2023-05-30T01:28:55+00:00

People like to define "broke" as the cashier at Walmart making barely above minimum wage, while ignoring the woman working in HR making $50k a year but with $300k+ in student loan debt.

The former is less than ideal but dateable. The latter is absolutely radioactive.

SoulBadguy0408 · 2023-05-30T04:01:29+00:00

This is where the whole beta bux thing comes in, tho, right? I mean... I assume that isn't her settling for a rich man as much as an average man after she fucks all the rich men but the average man can provide well enough I assume or if she's broke then maybe she's used to it

Because I think most red pill people know your average woman isn't seriously dating a doctor, lawyer, CEO, etc. and is instead more likely to date a teacher, bus driver, janitor, or just someone more within their class.

And then the rich men would date richer women because hypergamy or whatever since richer women want an even richer man and can afford to look better than a broke woman looks, but I don't think anyone should actually think it's normal for women to marry a man making 3x or more her income or something

Would be weird for Prince Charming to form a serious relationship with a peasant girl, lol

Bandit174 · 2023-05-30T04:02:28+00:00

If you walk into a Walmart, what percentage of women working there do you think are dating doctors, lawyers, engineers, athletes etc? (DATING not sleeping with)

Not many but you have to consider that wealthy people are less common than poor and middle class so its not even possible for most of them to get a rich guy theres just not enough. Also when guys do date down it will usually be for looks and most people at Walmart aren't that hot.

Your_client_sucks_95 · 2023-05-30T04:29:27+00:00

I believe it.

Active-Razzmatazz-86 · 2023-05-30T04:42:16+00:00

They date marry within their class and divorce too at high rates.What you don't see is the high number of casual flings,situationships that happen in between all of these

Vapelord420XXXD · 2023-05-30T05:44:04+00:00

Most athletes date bums

SDinAsia · 2023-05-30T11:05:15+00:00

Much more than rich women dating broke men, that's for sure.

MSAPPLIEDSTATS · 2023-05-30T12:45:27+00:00

I don't think you should just say statistics without facts or evidence. Just leave it as my opinion is people date and marry within their class.

PrecisionHat · 2023-05-30T15:53:12+00:00

A common redpill maxim (which I tend to agree with) is that a woman's financial status matters less and less the more the man makes; he will select his partner based on looks/personality and not whether or not she can help build a comfortable life with him (because he doesn't need to consider that). Now, this is not to say rich men are going around hitting up destitute women, but a rich guy would probably not care if he as dating a woman who is a successful lawyer or a part time barrista.

raldabos · 2023-05-30T18:38:26+00:00

Money/Status in a woman doesn't matter as much as you think. A lot of women don't understand this fact.

If she's attractive and fun, that's enough for a lot of men.

anonymousUser1SHIFT · 2023-05-30T20:24:25+00:00

Not even a red pill guys here and yes.

Have to see the massive rise in sugar daddy apps and sites. Like not only do rich men date poor woman, they even pay those women to date them.

edjohn88 · 2023-05-30T20:46:52+00:00

Walmart women isnt the opposite of “rich women”. Walmart is people with no ambition. Plenty of hotties at Bilzerian parties who are not rich, but they have something to offer and know how to use it.

Workaholiconew · 2023-05-30T21:41:20+00:00

Considering I worked with a professor who 2 years ago married a illiterate female snack seller who worked in his university?... Without a shadow of a doubt.

You are mistaken what really happens.

Men go for women who are more easily accessible, so it is obvious that they will tend to go for women of similar class, I mean: Women of similar class live in similar neighborhoods and go to the same place as them and may even work in the same place... Women of other classes are LITERALLY physically away from men of other classes. So it is unlikely for them to meet and date/marry.

Do you want proof? You know what predicts more the pairing of people than class? whom your profession has to deal with

Doctors end up mostly with other doctors, nurses and healthwork workers...
Businessmen end up mostly with other business, secretaries, management assistants, etc...
Judges end up mostly with other judges, lawyers, paralegal, secretaries, etc... and the list goes on.\

Their classes were completely ignored many times, like a male doctor which earns half a miliion with a nurse who barely can pay for her rend with 4 friends..

But you know what wasn't ignored? the fact that nurses and doctors NEED to be around the same place at the same time for 6-12hrs a day. Leading to fucking, and obviously romance.

RRBeachFG2 · 2023-05-30T21:49:32+00:00

Women hate this so much it’s funny

Dagenius1 · 2023-05-30T22:11:38+00:00

I am not any pill but I have to speak on this because, in what I have seen in my experience, of course it happens. The easy bottom line is that a beautiful woman will always be able to punch above her “financial weight” in the dating world. Easily

Years ago there used to be this bar in NY that was consistently flooded by young female teachers at happy hour. Why…because that bar was also the choice of wall st guys when they wanted a drink post market. It’s not PC to say but the financial gap between those two professions would be rich vs poor but the reason it works is because women who are teachers are seen as good mothers.

The hot barista might not date a doctor..but she will be hit on by the marketing guy that makes 80k and stops by on his way to work. 3 years later he’s making 110k and she’s pregnant with their first child. The hot barista guy doesn’t have that same upside potential

Humble-Joe · 2023-05-31T08:01:59+00:00

Men don't care about woman financial status, exept gigolos. Female hypergamy erased any need for woman to be valuable beyond attractiveness of their bodies.

kvakerok · 2023-05-31T14:53:27+00:00

Date to fuck? Yes. Date to marry? Unlikely.

Khanluka · 2023-05-31T21:41:12+00:00

This old money new money thing.

Ploeple raised by rich parents will date other rich ploeple. As there whole sociaal cirle is rich.

If you come from poor and become rich your way of looking at it is different.

Emergency-Run-2326 · 2023-06-01T16:15:53+00:00

My best friend earns 200k as a lawyer and is dating a a registered dietician that barely clears 60k. She has expressed zero interest in further education and is perfectly satisfied with her earnings. Meanwhile my buddy is taking on additional certifications to earn even more.... Is this a rich guy dating a broke woman ?

And we aren't even talking side chicks.

Title	Redpill dudes, do you actually believe rich men date broke women?
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