Why people never talk about the fertility in men dropping as they age?

VirginAndIHateMyself · 2024-02-23T00:56:07+00:00

Because men are still mostly fertile up until they hit retirement age, hell there's even news stories of men in their 70s getting women pregnant. Simply biologically speaking women are far more likely to experience fertility issues earlier in life.

There's a lot more shit effecting men's fertility e.g. diet, dropping testosterone levels, endocrine disrupting chemicals; those are the concerns for men's fertility, not age.

Moon-on-my-mind · 2024-02-23T03:45:10+00:00

While male seed is in high amounts, with age and lifestyle, it greatly decreases in quality. Genetic anomalies are becoming more and more prevalent with age and crappy lifestyle in men. It's a quality over quantity issue. There's lots of quantity, less and less quality. Seed delivers vast majority of genetic material and generic instructions for development in utero.

Many times, a miscarriage happens because the embryo isn't developing properly due to faulty genetic info. A defective sperm fertilized it. Now, sadly, not all women's bodies and immune systems respond this way, so defective and faulty pregnancies do reach birth, resulting in a baby with defects, bad malformation and lifelong suffering.

The reason it's not talked about is because everyone looks at the quantity of sperm. They think that if a man still has swimmers till the age of 70, that's superior. But in reality, the quality is sub par and decreasing starting with age 30. Also another reason is because we are still living in a world where it's a habit of pointing the finger at women, to instill a sense of urgency and fear in them, so they will settle faster and make babies faster. A form of control the men in this world still prefer to use, while blatantly turning a blind eye towards the fertility and quality of sperm men face as they age or as they maintain a very unhealthy lifestyle and nutrition. Men and women still don't understand just how much genetic information and instructions those swimmers provide (or lack in providing). It should become important to start spreading awareness and knowledge, but alas, we are still refusing to move forward and learn.

Geselshaft · 2024-02-23T00:05:16+00:00

Women drop fertility at a way younger age. Their eggs are finite.

As men age they can still, even if only one in a thousand viable sperm, impregnate a woman.

So there’s no limit. Just diminished billions of sperm.

Eggs are finite.

The same reason women are liable and men are disposable.

Until menopause, when women are disposable.

bluepvtstorm · 2024-02-23T00:24:18+00:00

It has also been found that older male sperm is the likely cause of autism.

krayon_kylie · 2024-02-23T00:25:27+00:00

men ITT: DO NOT SPEAK ILL OF THE SEED. THE SEED IS INFALLIBLE.

Planthoe30 · 2024-02-23T06:42:39+00:00

Because that is not how you blame women.

obviousredflag · 2024-02-23T08:37:46+00:00

You have to be kidding us, to give us a source for your claims that is a SPERM FREEZING business website with NO further sources listed for their claims. How gullible and scientifically illiterate do you need to be to trust someone who makes money off of scaring men into believing they need to freeze their sperm if they want to have babies in the age that most men currently have babies in?!

WOOOOOW. Just wow.

lolthankstinder · 2024-02-23T00:19:56+00:00

The first article talks about a study for men 45 and older. If you're having a baby it's probably with a much younger woman so people talk about it indirectly by condemning age gaps.

The second article relates it to lifestyle and mentions one can help prevent/slow this by:

Eating a healthier, nutrient-rich diet
Exercising regularly
Quitting smoking
Decreasing alcohol consumption

So, for most similarly-aged couples women's fertility loss is more associated with age and more of the imminent concern for those concerned with fertility.

NoDanaOnlyZuuI · 2024-02-23T02:26:53+00:00

Robert De Niro and Al Pacino fathered children in their 80s.

abaxeron · 2024-02-23T21:54:59+00:00

You conflate, both in the OP and in responses, birth defects with fertility, which are two different things. Let's start with the former.

Articles get shat out at roughly 1-4 per 2 years by basically every major newspaper in existence, and every single time they blame specifically father's age for elevated prevalence of illnesses in children.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2012/aug/22/older-fathers-genetic-mutations-research

Reality is... way less convenient.

https://www.reddit.com/user/abaxeron/comments/117kodp/autism_spectrum_disorder_vs_parental_age/

I love how basically every single study or article on topic either gets illness rate, or age in men and women not to scale with each other.

As for fertility, as an older guy with relatively unhealthy lifestyle, I'll let you in on a secret.

If I and my SO switch to baby making mode, and I think to myself "oh crap, what if my tadpoles aren't as good as they used to be to hit the target from the first try", I'll just release 4 more regiments that very same night.

YveisGrey · 2024-02-24T16:39:12+00:00

The reality is none of this matters for several reasons.

The odds of a man having a child passed age 45 is low because the younger women capable of having kids aren’t interested in much older men on average. After 45 if a man has never married or had a child he likely will never do so.
Older men who have kids almost always do so with older women. Let’s say a 60-year-old man manages to have a kid. The mother is almost always over 35. This is why it doesn’t really make sense when men argue that older women can’t get men. They can they just get older men, and I’m not even arguing that this is ideal, but the option is still there. At no point does a woman of childbearing age (even if she is older) have “no options”. Eggs are expensive and scarce.
Men being able to have kids in old age is actually a problem for men. It greatly increases competition for women. Not only can one man do the job of 30 men in terms of reproduction which already increases competition. The amount of men who can compete is much higher because older men have a chance. A man who’s 27 could actually be competing with a man who is 50 for a 30 year old woman. This is part of why men struggle so hard in the dating market.

With all that said, men probably should be concerned, because even though they stay fertile into old age, the reality is women are way more selective than men. The reason it’s so hard for older men to have kids practically speaking is because they can’t compete with younger men for access to women. They might argue that their sperm quality doesn’t decline “that much”, but that really doesn’t matter considering how cheap and abundant sperm is. Women are spoiled for choice here. There’s no reason for them to go with older men just because they “can” have kids. Being capable of having children does not make a man special in anyway literally almost any man to do that. That is why the main way older men compete for women of childbearing age is with their wealth because otherwise there is literally no reason for a woman to choose some old man. It makes no sense plenty of younger guys with the better swimmers are willing to get with her.

KayRay1994 · 2024-02-23T02:02:50+00:00

Because men, while less fertile, are still far more fertile than women as they age.

Add to this patriarchal social structures, the fact that men aren’t valued socially for their youth, etc

Silver_Past2313 · 2024-02-23T01:18:02+00:00

Because the birthing bottleneck is women not men.

Legitimate_Type_1324 · 2024-02-23T01:44:11+00:00

Because up until now, it's not an issue.

Perhaps if we continue the trend of having babies at later stages in life, we will reach the point of this becoming relevant. But for now, we're all more concerned about women's fertility because it completely stops a decade sooner, while men's only declines, but doesn't reach zero.

And of course everyone knows stories of old guys impregnating women so there's that.

Equivalent_Term_6319 · 2024-02-23T00:27:23+00:00

Because it never actually drops to zero (unlike women).

FutureBannedAccount2 · 2024-02-23T00:33:58+00:00

Because the people talking about the fertility of women are generally other women who want to have children.

Zabadoodude · 2024-02-23T04:35:11+00:00

Because men's drop in fertility is less pronounced and generally happens at a later age than women's. Most serious age related fertility issues occur in men over 50. Women are usually unable to have kids at all at this age. Most people that want kids are done having kids by that age anyway. For women, having children in their 40's is already difficult. It's also compounded by the fact that women don't usually marry younger, so an older mom probably has an older partner too, so the kids are at risk of both male and female age related fertility issues. A 40 year old man can marry a 30 year old women and only experience a negligible increase in the risk of fertility issues.

optimuscrymez · 2024-02-23T13:56:12+00:00

Because fertility doesn't really drop that significantly and the dip in quality is pretty gradual. Honestly the hubbub about it seems to me largely driven by modern feminist "men and women are alike" narratives.

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harmonica2 · 2024-02-23T00:36:10+00:00

Well Robert de Niro recently had a kid in his 70s so I guess that shows guys can still do it old?

wtknight · 2024-02-23T00:11:01+00:00

It happens, but it's not as severe as it is for women. I don't think that younger men like to think about it and instead try to point out how severe it is for women, instead.

purplish_possum · 2024-02-23T01:16:25+00:00

Because it's an issue but not a big one. I sired my youngest daughter when I was 46.

She's as healthy as her siblings sired two decades earlier.

FromAuntToNiece · 2024-02-22T23:57:10+00:00

Because, honestly, society deserves to bear the costs of health risks associate with offspring of very late bloomer men.

Not being welcoming enough of them in their adulting years is the trigger.

David-Metty · 2024-02-23T04:57:57+00:00

Men can sire children even after the age of 100.

harmonica2 · 2024-02-23T00:44:11+00:00

Well as for men waiting until they are older than ideal to have kids, women are often the ones making them wait by choosing to wait till 30s to want kids. But a lot of guys are also waiting till 30s as well, so what can we do to get couples having kids in their 20s again?

nonplussedminus · 2024-02-23T06:53:39+00:00

Because most women don't even know or care about their own fertility problems, so why would they about men's? So man couples I know the woman is like "Uhm we are planning to have kids when I'm 35 because muh career".It's largely the women who are forcing men to have children later in life.

James_Cruse · 2024-02-23T10:34:50+00:00

This just seems like you’re trying to blame men for genetic anomolies when most of this is coming from women having children at much older ages and people (on average) having poorer health/poorer diets/less exercise.

We all know plenty of older men that have several healthy children where he was 45-65 years old when his wife became pregnant.

That’s VERY unlikely to happen for women.

This post (and several others) and this reply is because you as women don’t like that men aren’t interested in older women on an (unconscious biological level) and you think saying women can have children later now and men’s fertility decreases (a small amount) shows that it’s equal (read: therefore men should still like us women over 35 years old, because their fertility goes badly aswell).

I’m sure part of it is to scare off younger women from marrying and having children with older men - due to you older women being threatened by younger women being a threat to taking your husband.

Safinated · 2024-02-23T00:52:24+00:00

Because it’s later than women’s fertility issues

Freevoulous · 2024-02-23T10:50:36+00:00

several reasons why male age-related fertility issues are rarely addressed:

the problems you wrote about are far less serious and rarer than problem generated by old mothers
old dudes rarely actually try having children in the first place
old dudes who DO want to have children are very often rich and educated, and thus can use all the options related to fertility increase or conception monitoring to judge the outcome
it is a self-fixing problem. Guys who become infertile with age or who have a tendency for genetic mutation in the gonads as the age tend not to have kids, and thus, sons. Therefore, we are descendants of dudes who could safely fuck into old age. There is a hypothesis this actually increases mean male longevity.

tadL · 2024-02-23T10:55:35+00:00

Because we can still make children but women can't after menopause. That's why. If the man a young woman chooses checks her boxes she knows he will be able to get her pregnant.

And don't come with the exception. Some special cases and so on. They don't disprove the argument.

Nature made sure that's how it is. And there are good reasons for it

ThisBoringLife · 2024-02-23T15:57:33+00:00

Because men can impregnate women at an older age than women being able to get pregnant.

Science has already been established on not taking too long, because of the risks to baby.

As for most folks here, dudes are primarily invested in actually getting the girl and having sex. Actually worrying about being able to get a girl pregnant comes way later. Worrying about fertility when a guy is still trying to find a woman to be with is putting the cart before the horse.

Savings_Builder_8449 · 2024-02-23T12:43:51+00:00

men dont care about having children

KingLancelot1991 · 2024-02-23T18:09:20+00:00

Because men in their 80s and 90s still regularly have kids.

Women’s fertility ends at 45.

LouisdeRouvroy · 2024-02-23T01:40:48+00:00

Because most men do not want to become a parent after they become old enough to have a significant decrease in fertility due to age.

When men reach the same fertility as of a 35 year old woman, they are already grand parents.

Hence it's a non issue. It's like no longer having an umbrella when there's no rain.

commentasaurus1989 · 2024-02-23T21:35:32+00:00

Because look at the chart

Men’s fertility does not drop into prohibitive territory until the 70s or later

Womens fertility starts to decline right after 30 and sharply through 40 and menopause.

What’s even the point of this post? Men and women are different.

commentasaurus1989 · 2024-02-23T21:53:23+00:00

Bold assumption but this reads like the mental gymnastics of a 30 something childless woman

ejdhdhdff · 2024-02-23T22:41:50+00:00

I do hear it talked about now and again. Autism and certain mental health issues increase with advanced paternal age. And of course: the human lifespan is not infinite. So there has to be some reflection prior to deciding to reproduce past a certain point. When I hear men saying they are ‘too old’ to have children it’s generally because they don’t feel they have the energy/physical stamina to raise a child/children.

Some men see their ability to reproduce for longer as a sign that they have no ‘peak’ and women do. But to look at it logically: a man’s role in reproduction is incredibly small. The woman’s role is massive and dangerous. Growing another human inside of you for 9 months is incredibly taxing on the body. It’s something I would never want to do personally.

WhaleBiologistCILISI · 2024-02-24T05:20:10+00:00

Cause it's not as clear cut as it is with women. Like OP states there's a higher 'chance.' The day I see a headline reading, 'Meryl Streep announces preganancy,' is the day I'll change my tune to, "you know, why DO they only talk about males declining fertility?"

NJFlowerchild · 2024-02-24T17:51:18+00:00

Older fathers are linked to schizophrenia

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21703435/

Results: After controlling for several confounding factors including maternal age, the relative risk of schizophrenia increased from 1.84 to 4.62 in offspring of fathers with an older age of fatherhood. Mother's age showed no significant effects after adjusting for paternal age. There was a significant association between paternal age and risk of developing schizophrenia, there was a weaker association with psychosis.

Cethlinnstooth · 2024-02-25T12:10:59+00:00

Because nobody cares about the gold diggers marrying old men. They made their bed and now they get to birth a few autistic kids in that bed.

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