The opposite side of the War Bride dynamic is that men are natural rapists under certain circumstances

alwaysright12 · 2024-08-26T11:33:59+00:00

I mean, both 'theories' are ficked up.

SerpentCypher · 2024-08-26T11:09:31+00:00

Big Thomas Hobbes fan I take it?

DennistheMenace__ · 2024-08-26T14:30:05+00:00

any screaming or crying would be a turn off for me

uglysaladisugly · 2024-08-26T12:00:32+00:00

I can't find any reference to "war bride dynamics" in any published evo psy paper.

Additionally, this hypothesis seems to not understand what is a "war bride" as it seems to think it is the fact that a woman will marry or fall in love with men from the "enemy" during a war.

Just these two facts should tell us enough about the fact that it is just a just so story invented by manosphere and redpill people who have no background nor qualifications on anthropology, sociology, evolution or behavior biology.

Why would it be interesting to discuss something that is basically built on thin air and ideology?

Ppdebatesomental · 2024-08-26T11:52:45+00:00

I don’t think most men are naturally rapists. The shear volume of men who find sex with prostitutes unappealing and the ones who do enjoy sex with prostitutes but prefer the gfe speaks volumes. Hookers are masters at pretending to actually enjoy the sex because most men finish faster when they do. Men overwhelmingly prefer enthusiastic partners who are willing participants.

I think it’s more a function of us being programmed first and foremost for self preservation. People will do what they need to do to stay alive. Very few women grow up dreaming of being raped and sold in war, very few men dream of being mass murderers or rapists. They just aren’t willing to not go along and be murdered themselves

I point to a real life couple I knew, Hungarian Jews who lived through WW2 . She somehow escaped the gas chambers as a beautiful young 16 year old, the rest of her family was killed. How? I never asked. But I can tell you that the woman ate nails for breakfast.

Her husband saw the writing on the wall, renounced his religion, changed his name to the most Christian thing he could think of and joined the Nazi party in 1940. Never asked if he killed anyone either. He somehow managed to shape shift two more times in his life in the act of self preservation, by sneaking into Italy at the of the war, and marrying his wife because she had been accepted into Canada in 1957 when the communists took over Hungary.

Did she use sex to avoid being murdered? Did he murder people? Fellow Jews? Civilians? I dunno. Not something I wanted to know tbh. I just know first and foremost, people will go along with a lot to stay alive.

CatchPhraze · 2024-08-26T19:06:14+00:00

The problem is the "it's not rape" gap

Almost all rapists, deny raping someone, but if you ask less overt questions like:

"Is a woman wearing revealing clothes an invitation?"

"If you have sex with someone and then fall asleep together, is initiating sex again before they wake okay?"

" If she's a virgin and scared, is it okay to reassure her it's okay and keep going even if she still seems scared?"

"Is it okay to leverage your position as her boss to charm her into bed?"

"If your wife isn't in the mood, is it okay to keep going until you can get her to go with it?"

You get way more affirmative answers. And both rapists and normal men say yes to those kinds of questions in droves.

TermAggravating8043 · 2024-08-26T12:20:01+00:00

Wasn’t there a study done at some university, that when asked, something like 33% of men would rape a sleeping woman if they knew they could get away with it and they’d be no punishment?

That alone sounds terrible but realistically true considering some if the stories you here about colleges snd universities, and some of my own experiences.

Bitter-Hat-4736 · 2024-08-26T12:11:34+00:00

This is just evo psych bullshit. The human brain is so goddamn complex that it's basically impossible to determine if a certain gender has a "tendency" to rape built into their damn DNA. Just like you can't say that because one gender has an inherent tendency to rape, that the other gender has an inherent tendency to move on.

In the terms of animals, it might be a genuine survival thing. If you are a female lion, and a male lion comes in and kills your mate and your children, you don't really have a choice. Either submit or die. Sure, you and your packmates could chase him off, but that won't resurrect your children.

obviousredflag · 2024-08-26T11:12:31+00:00

Men here say they would never rape.

People are bad at estimating what they would do.

siletntium · 2024-08-26T14:59:38+00:00

Historically rape in war happened largely due to hatred of the enemy. I would argue it wasn't even sexual much of the time just a desire to make the people you hate suffer.

The nazis hated Russians and viewed them as inferior so they raped and killed as they went east. The Russians hated the nazis for it so they raped and killed as they went west

SaBahRub · 2024-08-26T13:03:50+00:00

Not “certain” circumstances.

Marriage and sex for most of history wasn’t consensual or voluntary for women, so it was the rule, not the exception

Clementinequeen95 · 2024-08-26T13:53:45+00:00

I’ve had men from this very page message me saying they would find me and rape me lmao

pg_throwaway · 2024-08-26T12:40:35+00:00

Both ideas are wrong. Both the war bride theory and the "men are natural rapists" theory. The reason the red army was so savage was because Russian culture is totally barbaric, incentivizes evil and punishes men for good / moral actions. Stalin also encouraged his men to rape.

Whether men are rapists or not is down to culture, personal values and moral courage ( if they are in a society that encourages / rewards rape like Russia / Soviet Union ). Men are not born with an "instinct to rape" or anything like that.

Same is true for the war bride phenonmon. How loyal women are to their existing partners has to do with a combination of factors, including the woman's character, moral fortitude, values, personality, etc. Women aren't born with an "instinct to abandon their partners the second a 'stronger' looking man appears".

In fact, in my own experience dealing with people, men have an instinct to "love and protect" and women have an instinct to be loyal. It's bad parents, bad culture, bad societies, and moral failure that breaks those instincts and makes people act in degenerate ways.

Key-Faithlessness-29 · 2024-08-26T11:15:23+00:00

Do women even like men anymore

Devourer_of_felines · 2024-08-26T11:02:42+00:00

Your hypothetical is rather flawed considering 0 men today are going to be part of peasant meat waves of the 1940s red army.

This whole line of thinking of “well if you were brought up in a completely different society with completely different values you’d behave differently” to justify a world view on today’s people grinding out their 9-5 office jobs doesn’t make sense. Western women aren’t spoils of war like so many bushels of corn, and using fantastical what if scenarios to justify neurotic beliefs is exactly why radfems aren’t taken seriously.

SillyMushroomTip · 2024-08-26T13:54:02+00:00

We are Humans with endless potential to be cruel and heinous towards each other

Swordfromthecement · 2024-08-26T16:43:26+00:00

Once again, you can say that about literally ANYTHING. You’re applying someone’s actions in an extreme scenario and use that as some sort of gotcha you retroactively apply to everyone else.

If a starving vegetarian eats meat to survive that’s not suddenly a gotcha. That’s an extreme scenario that people normally wouldn’t find themselves in.

19whale96 · 2024-08-26T18:50:26+00:00

Men here say they would never rape. Oh really, so if you were part of the Red Army in the 1940s and war rape was not only accepted but actually encouraged, can you say with 100% certainty that you wouldn't do it?

I'm sorry, this made me pinch the bridge of my nose and laugh irl. "You wouldn't rape? Oh really, so if you were a completely different person in a completely different time, society, and circumstance, can you say with 100% certainty"

Like, dawg, ma'am, please, be fr.

Pola_Lita · 2024-08-27T01:37:44+00:00

According to TRP theory, the reason women move on so easily from a relationship is the war bride dynamic. This means that that when a male of another tribe kills a woman's husband and takes the woman prisoner she is very likely to develop a kind of Stockholm syndrome and follow the new man instead

"War Bride dynamic"? What does any of this have to do with war brides?

Leave it to TRP to invent a "theory" based on wishful thinking and then label it with a term they don't know the meaning of.

Podlubnyi · 2024-08-27T11:33:31+00:00

Men here say they would never rape.

If you were a female guard in a male prison, can you say with 100% certainty you would not abuse your position to rape or sexually exploit the inmates? Because a lot of sexual abuse of male prisoners is actually perpetrated by women guards. In juvenile facilities, the sexual abuse is overwhelmingly perpetrated by women. Incidentally, a majority of the worst male sex offenders have a history of sexual abuse... by a woman.

Yet radfems will vehemently deny that women do that sort of thing. Others have done their best to hide or excuse it. When radfems start acknowledging the ugly side of female nature, I'll take start taking their male rape theories seriously.

Colt_Master · 2024-08-26T11:07:56+00:00

If I was a Roman landholder in 200 BC I'm also pretty sure I'd hold slaves, support sacking and genociding Carthage, and oppose stupid commoners from voting. My "natural inclination" to rape isn't particularly different from my inclination to do any other kind of immoral behaviour that benefits me or I find pleasurable.

My_House_on_Mars · 2024-08-26T14:51:01+00:00

yeah male nature tends to rape and violence, that's why when we managed to repress natural violent urges with the social construct we build society.

a_minty_fart · 2024-08-26T15:48:34+00:00

You can't say it because you have never been in a similar situation. I personally think that 99% of men would be rapists in this scenario.

Lady just say that you think all men are rapists and skip past the bullshit.

Save everyone some time.

TotalTravesty · 2024-08-26T13:05:05+00:00

can you say with 100% certainty that you wouldn’t do it? You can’t say it because you have never been in a similar situation. I personally think that 99% of men would be rapists in this scenario.

It’s impossible to prove your hypothetical behavior so let me just assign your behavior based on the absolutely nothing I know about you, internet stranger.

The solution to red pill rhetoric is not Lady Red Pill rhetoric. If you want to start a fight just say so without the mealy-mouthed faux-philosophy.

lgtv354 · 2024-08-26T11:03:43+00:00

more misandrist bs.

Plazmatron44 · 2024-08-26T11:01:59+00:00

That is quite possibly true which is why in order to build and maintain a modern functional civilisation men had to curtail the worst aspects of both male and female behaviour. Essentially make sure men control themselves and as a result give women no reason to need to be a war bride.

One reason the modern dating scene is a mess is because in many ways it has regressed things back to caveman times by making things like looks and aggression in men more desirable than stability, dependability and self control in men.

Anonreddit96 · 2024-08-26T15:21:09+00:00

But who exactly is talking about ugly side of women? Literally every mainstream media is only allowing ugly side of men to be discussed. And people are also discussing only the ugly side of men.

I would like to see a person that discuss both ugly sides and then we can further have a discussion on this.

Redpill-mind · 2024-08-26T11:05:05+00:00

This guy analyses at around 44:00:

Lol

A_real_keeper_LOL · 2024-08-26T12:21:49+00:00

There is no part of me that believes men are not natural rapists. I would hypothesize we are all children of rape. The first thing that points to this for me is size difference. What evolutionary benefit does the male being much larger and stronger than the female have…. Hmmmmmm That’s a tough one, lol.

Second up is agreeableness. What evolutionary advantage for a small female would be provided by being agreeable? Well, the most dangerous animal that a human will encounter is another human. Would it be more or less advantageous for women to be agreeable or disagreeable?

Third up is the fact that men will fuck anything. A woman, a man, a cantaloupe or gasp even a woman that isn’t too keen on getting fucked.

Now, are there men today that are like “I would never rape” Sure. Those are the same men that would say “I would have never been a Nazi!” Sure buddy, we believe you.

Cunnin_Linguists · 2024-08-26T16:21:49+00:00

I'm pretty confident I would've, had I been born 1000 years ago but what's the point about talking about natural instincts? Are women's natural instincts to cuck men and be hypergamous? Modern people are supposed to be civil.

Valuable-Marzipan761 · 2024-08-26T20:47:59+00:00

Yeah probably under certain circumstances. Under the right conditions, 99% of us would have complied with the nazis.

Forretress_ · 2024-08-27T03:11:56+00:00

The military is completely unnatural. It's an extremely brutal institution that systematically traumatizes its members and rebuilds their psyches for its own benefit, turning people into killers. It runs contrary to human nature.

WishMeLuck77 · 2024-08-27T04:33:58+00:00

Good god people,

This post is pretty much solipsism in a nutshell. You couldn’t illustrate it with a much better example.

abaxeron · 2024-08-27T07:13:07+00:00

According to TRP theory, the reason women move on so easily from a relationship is the war bride dynamic. This means that that when a male of another tribe kills a woman's husband and takes the woman prisoner she is very likely to develop a kind of Stockholm syndrome and follow the new man instead.

Women move on from a relationship because this is the best for survival of the species in general and her specific clade's genetic legacy in particular. When resources are abundant and easy enough to obtain by herself, and pregnancy is either assured or is already ongoing, men pose more risk and burden on resources than benefit, and are better chased off, no matter how alpha they are. When resources are hard to obtain, any healthy and not completely insane man around is better than his complete absence.

"Stockholm syndrome" implies development of emotional bond. The Red Pill conjecture is that women optimize their outcomes by not doing so. Surviving another tribe's genocidal invasion is only one scenario of many when this is beneficial.

Therefore, men shouldn't be offended when radfems talk about rape because it is true.

We are not offended; women should just get out of men's spaces already if they believe it. Not keep invading them and calling it "victory of civil rights".

Oh really, so if you were part of the Red Army in the 1940s and war rape was not only accepted but actually encouraged, can you say with 100% certainty that you wouldn't do it?

Don't know; I have two ancestors who were survivors of Eastern front, and both basically considered their greatest achievement surviving the Nazi occupation. Despite one of them witnessing collapse of Polish defense first-hand, and then spending 9 years in concentration camp.

But I am obliged to quip with a question: what country coincidentally has a) the world's second-lowest birth rate in the world; b) the world's second-largest share of secular population that is circumcised; c) the 4th largest American occupational presence on its territory?

I have no idea who is downvoting you; a decent post by PPD metrics.

Mr_Vaynewoode · 2024-08-27T18:07:27+00:00

What do you mean by rape? In Sparta there was a consensual bride stealing ceremony.

Genesis Khan did the same thing with his wife (although he was a rapist).

Also before modern women, women were...well still acting like women, so if they could be respectful, then so could men.

Gender relations is not predicated on a rape culture, but there are situations where toxic relations did exist like WWII.

The distinguishing element is that we are living in a shitty mouse utopia experiment

Notsonewguy7 · 2024-08-29T06:18:42+00:00

Nature doesn't care about moral arguments.

thedarkracer · 2024-08-26T11:26:10+00:00

War rape is indeed very common if you look at history.

In the west yeah a lot. We have had wars during the sikh rule, no rape. You can check for yourself.

You can't say it because you have never been in a similar situation. I personally think that 99% of men would be rapists in this scenario. War

We can say for certain bcz most of us work on morals. The same we can say for you women will monkey branch if a richer guy with millions comes across. You don't know it because you haven't been in that situation.

Therefore, men shouldn't be offended when radfems talk about rape because it is true.

Sure, a woman saying don't be triggered by false accusations lol.

FirmQuarter6623 · 2024-08-26T13:00:51+00:00

Rapist is the one who commited a rape. Past tense. No one is rapist until he commited a rape. You can call all people murderers or killers then, because under certain circumstances anybody can kill. What is stopping people calling your father a donkey-fucker and your mother is pig's whore? Because, you know, under certain circumstances people are able to do anything.

Women at different times were concidered as property. You do whatever you want with your property.

Women of the defeated side at war were/are the trophy, a good one actually. Women are one the most valuable resources a counrty can have.

Look at Ukraine. 100k males or so are killed at war, it's very bad for country, because nation is as strong as its men, but it's nothing compared to millions of young women with children who left the country and will never come back. That's a disaster, worse than anything, at least for Unkraine.

Rape is a legal term really, it's not a description of the act. Rape is rape only under circumstances, just like murder (at war you know it's encouraged, more you kill, more medals you're getting, and people at home are going to thank you for your service). A woman/man is human under circumstances.

The only conclusion from all this bs is do not lose wars.

Fun_Push7168 · 2024-08-26T19:17:14+00:00

Well, regardless of it being nonsense it does does sound plausible in a way, except no rape is necessary.

Women choose winners, it's evolutionary advantageous.

The second girl ( we were 16) I ever had sex with i met when i beat up her boyfriend. She developed a crush right there on the spot.

Silly movie but; I'm reminded of "year one" where the guy goes to rescue her and she like " they have better clothes, food, and hotter guys here, why would I want to go back?"

It's really not far removed from reality in this sense.

For women there's no need for loyalty or psychic abilities, just go with the winners after the fact. Be loyal until they lose.

There are theories women are responsible for the spread of technology. Why, because genetically they travelled a lot more than men, switching tribes was a common occurrence. Not just that but it's still seen in hunter gatherer populations today men don't tend to leave their families while women will travel freely between groups without apparent reason.

In any case, rape and Stockholm type shit is just a jump in logic here. We see it in many many forms, winners are attractive whether it's sports, business, combat, whatever. There's no need to force women to be with winners. It's what they do.

unbannableBob · 2024-08-26T11:14:07+00:00

I think it's not men that have a rape instinct.

Its that women naturally never got a chance to decide who they mated with.

In the environment the most female mammals evolved in.. there was no such thing as rape, because rape was the default state in that if a more physically strong animal wanted to sex you... You don't really have a say

John_Oakman · 2024-08-26T11:15:53+00:00

Isn't that a common threat that the based & redpilled real men of the manosphere make when they imply that if women keep on picking fuckbois & thugs that it incentivize men/males to behave more terribly?

Besides, it benefits the relevant men for women to tar the entire male gender as various flavors of unhinged, as it invalidate the law & social abiding males' attempts to leverage their good behaviors and leaves the based & redpilled real men with their advantage in masculinity.

ArtifactFan65 · 2024-08-26T11:26:57+00:00

Not all men. I mostly agree. However I think extraverted women are bigger rapists than IxFx men. Its a combination of personality type and testosterone level. It's just that female on male rape isn't taken seriously by society, also women are generally physically weaker so it's harder for them rape as much as they want to.

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VWGUYWV · 2024-08-26T13:16:31+00:00

It isn’t primarily that

It’s likely that in an ancestral environment (before men built a civilization that women could safely live in alone), women and children were very vulnerable alone

And this is down to starvation and predators and such just as much as anything else

ElPwnero · 2024-08-26T15:46:08+00:00

I think that, yeah, men have a primal urge to rape or to kill in our monkeybrain.

funfacts_82 · 2024-08-26T12:30:33+00:00

Thats the same as saying most people are not killers but would kill in case of war. Its not really a choice if its by peer pressure.

Title	The opposite side of the War Bride dynamic is that men are natural rapists under certain circumstances
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