Most of the time men bring out serious complaints only to shut women up, which proves that they don't actually care

ThrowRAGlobeVase · 2026-06-02T18:34:25+00:00

First, it’s a zero sum game when you effectively have two genders in space people are speaking about.

If the claim is that women make $.73 to the dollar compared to men, it’s a very valid claim, but in that context “women aren’t paid enough” and “men are paid too much” are equivalent, because it’s a zero sum game.

In politics when it comes down to two candidates, the debates and arguments tend to intensify and get more personal. A major reason is because one candidate saying they’re “the candidate for truth” implies the other candidate isn’t quite as honest. Zero sum game again.

“Black Lives Matter” in the US, which is a social issue that isn’t quite a two-party zero sum game, was talking about one race, in the context of police violence. It doesn’t imply white lives don’t matter, not Asian lives, not Mexican lives; that’s why the “All Lives Matter” movement is particularly frustrating.

So, there is naturally going to some kind of a response in any zero sum game.

Second, I think most reasonable men did NOT bring up the arguments you’re stating for a very long time, throughout many many waves of the feminist movement.

It’s simply indisputable that women and a lot of minority groups had it worse through relevant history. Women were effectively owned; couldn’t do anything on their own. Many minority groups were completely subjugated.

But, these arguments HAVE come up in a bigger way more recently - I’d say only in the second half of 4th wave feminism, probably from 2017/2018 onward - because SOME of what is brought up from women IS comparable to unique problems men face.

Things like mental load, having to spend time/money getting ready before dates, standards of beauty… it’s like, yeah, true, men have similar unique problems and stressors as well that really do suck.

Grow_peace_in_Bedlam · 2026-06-02T17:24:42+00:00

So what you don't see isn't happening, got it.

I personally think there should just be one big blanket gender equality movement to fix everybody's issues all at once. No more divisions, no more fighting, just equality and justice for everyone.

AlarmingToe8503 · 2026-06-02T18:43:04+00:00

You know what? I don't actually care, as long as I get to live a happy romantically fulfilled life. There are a whole bunch of things I'll endure or give up if the deal is that I get to be happy the rest of the time. So OF COURSE I'm gonna start complaining abou the draft when the topic is an attempt to justify why I should accept living without those things that make the trade offs worthwhile.

society000 · 2026-06-02T17:51:35+00:00

Eh, sure, it happens, but more often, there are other reasons why it's brought up: when feminists say that men's issues are irrelevant/don't exist/their own fault, or by men trying to join the conversation by naively thinking they can make it more mutual.

I've seen feminists do the exact thing you've mentioned more. In fact, the MRA movement effectively died and gave rise to redpillers when feminists protested an MRA event in Toronto at a university and pulled a fire alarm to stop the entire thing. And the MRA movement wouldn't have even existed if feminists had allowed the men already in the feminist movement to discuss men's issues from within the movement itself.

Many people point out that feminism is only concerned with women's empowerment, and feminists will shoot back that it's actually about equality for all genders; so, when people bring up that feminism never takes men's issues seriously, they're likely calling back to that.

I do agree though, no one gives a fuck about men's issues, besides using men for money and political gain.

Goodthingstartssmall · 2026-06-02T19:14:41+00:00

Because women are bringing up 1000 talking points daily ranging from legit to brain dead. There is almost no room to bring up their complaints in a vacuum. Also i noticed a Trend the Last years. Many men where bringing up their complaints in response to suitable talking points in order to degender it and including men in these efforts. They we're using nuance and understanding for the womenside but guess how they women reacted? They double downed on everything to exclude men with more force than ever playing the victim card even more we are at one point where they have the nerves to defend statements like all men but lose their shit to AWALT. No comedian ever could weite a better script. Require us speak up at seemimgly sexist jokes but licking their asses when a politician writes "when a man loses his hands at new years it's one men less that can hit women". Just pure brain rot.

At some point many men are over it. I hoped women/feminists would actually display reflection and critical thinking but they failed and continue to fail. Setting a mirror in front of them to show them how they look like from our point of view is easier. But even this seems to require to much intelligence.

GorgonzolaJam · 2026-06-02T23:28:41+00:00

You're assuming it is to "shut women up".

The corporate internet is misandrist. It's easy to prove. Go on twitter and post #KillAllMen and watch yourself NOT get banned. Subscribed to FemaleDatingStrategy on Reddit, which is virulently hateful towards men. Somethingsomething insta or facebook.

The corporate internet accepts misandry but guards against misogyny.

A lot of times in debates when women tell about downsides of dating for them

This is generally code for "demonizing men". Misandrist women often don't think they're being misandrist because they've been taught by feminists that they CANNOT be sexist - so they demonize freely.

Generally_Confused1 · 2026-06-02T17:22:20+00:00

Women on this sub do the same thing, swear to God they use rape as a buzzword but don't every talk about the nuance. Should I take that subject less seriously?

SnooCats37 · 2026-06-02T17:25:42+00:00

Women attempt suicide more than men but men are more successful at it because they choose more violent methods. Men’s life expectancy is shorter for a few reasons but main ones are they are less likely to see medical attention when they need it or go to the drs regularly. They are also more likely to engage in riskier behaviour and more likely to die from preventable accidents.

As far as the draft thing, active constription ended in January 1973 in the states.

WebNew9978 · 2026-06-02T17:40:50+00:00

Cause women have made it pretty clear that they don’t care about men’s issue while believing they are entitled to having men care or agree with their issues. It’s defiantly a my way or highway mindset. Why else do take offense to someone believing abortion should be outlawed, or women should be stay at home moms?

LillthOfBabylon · 2026-06-02T19:13:58+00:00

I thought this sub already discussed this. They don’t actually care about male issues because that will end up with them having to blame men for fucking over other men. And how will that get them to blame women for their issues?

abaxeron · 2026-06-02T17:52:47+00:00

"Women only started demanding the vote for themselves after the threat of men they deem unworthy getting it first became tangible, which proves that they don't actually care; somehow majorly brought up in emancipation debate when the topic is abolition of slavery"

Scare-quotes and italics to signify reasoning by analogy.

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Tardigrade_Disco · 2026-06-02T21:09:56+00:00

You are only in places where women are complaining in the first place. If you go to subs like leftwingmaleadvocates and mensrights you'll see men airing their grievances in vacuum. Those are just examples from reddit. There's a ton of mens spaces on other social media platforms where men talk about the same issues you're claiming they "don't care about" without the prompting of a woman airing their grievances.

According-Tea-3014 · 2026-06-03T01:22:21+00:00

Its funny because anytime men try to talk about being body shamed, women usually comment on it solely to make it about how women have it worse with being shamed.

Ferfemto · 2026-06-03T14:43:03+00:00

"Your problem doesn't matter because it's too serious."

Wow. Who do you have to be to say something like that?

SpookyPutin · 2026-06-02T18:13:24+00:00

This is something men and women do on this sub consistently. People bring up the woes of their specific gender to play the oppression Olympics instead of engaging with the post.

Men and women have it bad is radically different ways but bringing them up to shut down other people's discussion just makes you an asshole.

Minute-Anteater1440 · 2026-06-02T20:28:49+00:00

Bringing up systemic issues as a rebuttal to personal experiences is just a way to kill the conversation rather than actually listening. It turns a human connection into a tally sheet instead of just acknowledging that dating is a mess for everyone in different ways.

Feeling_Ad_1034 · 2026-06-02T17:59:19+00:00

I'd say it proves that people will simply pivot if they think they have a segway in a debate. It sounds like "what-about-ism" which unskilled debators (both male, female, and non-binary) use.

"they don't actually care" and "in a debate" seems a little odd pairing because typically all parties in debates care primarily about winning.

SeemedGood · 2026-06-02T20:22:15+00:00

Proper perspective is important.

AmicusStyli · 2026-06-02T21:23:44+00:00

Men discuss systemic issues when, where, and with whom they feel safe. If YOU never hear men talking about that except as whataboutisms, you should consider what message your sending to the men around you that makes none of them feel safe discussing these types of issues in front you.

BrainMarshal · 2026-06-03T06:19:24+00:00

This is a bullshit misandrist lie. Men have held forums about battered men and been stormed by feminist protesters. Men talk about these issues in their own forums all the time without women around.

Title	Most of the time men bring out serious complaints only to shut women up, which proves that they don't actually care
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