CMV: Older women's proposal to men their age is no different than the "nice guy's" proposal?

StiophanOC · 2021-06-02T17:27:30+00:00

The 'hot guy always being abusive' is a weird myth that reflects more on the guys who think it's real

Comprehensive_Zombie · 2021-06-02T21:25:20+00:00

Whereas “nice guys” are trying to pursue people who don't want them, older woman aren’t gunning for the men trying to date young girls. They’re trying to warn the young girls to stay away from predatory men. Most of the women I know, including myself, have experienced predatory older men and that’s why women speak out on it. Most of us have experienced it, and it’s most of the time it’s bad news. And it’s not just “older” women. Me and my friends actively avoided a man who we knew who was dating high schoolers when we were all in college. And, I remember being weirded out in middle school by girls who were ‘dating’ sleazy looking seniors from our local high school. Edit:grammar

gunbusterxl · 2021-06-02T16:47:12+00:00

Women don’t say those things. They could care less about those men. They are far more concerned with protecting young women from sexual predators. All of those guys could drop dead tomorrow and most women (and men) wouldn’t give much of a shit.

midwestufohunter · 2021-06-02T15:49:27+00:00

No older women say this.

Orange_Paisley · 2021-06-02T15:49:50+00:00

I don’t have that message for men dating much younger women. The message I have is for the the women: don’t date much older men because they are creepy and predatory. It’s more about being protective of girls younger than my daughter than it is being mad because old skeevy dudes don’t want to date me (I still get plenty of those, sigh).

GridReXX · 2021-06-02T18:18:13+00:00

Men warn other men about gold diggers.

On PPD, yes men and women here discuss reality so you’ll see both saying older men leverage their resources to get younger women and that’s it’s not usually because she’s so lusty for him — it’s a plug for her.

milkyymochii · 2021-06-02T18:19:46+00:00

Lmao older women don’t say this. And thankful more young women in my generation are starting to stay away from older creepy men. My friends and I are in our early 20s and we make an effort to laugh at creeps. Why the fuck is a man in his 40s trying to talk to women half his age? So many males are creepy sickos.

LetsDelveIntoIt · 2021-06-02T15:48:34+00:00

I don't know whether it's the same but honestly I think any relationship where one person is too much older/younger than the other is weird. Age means experience, and experience makes for wisdom/smarts/knowledge. Why would one want to be with another who's way less/way more of those things compared to themselves?

There's usually a reason why, and that reason isn't always a positive one.

nyclaurco · 2021-06-02T17:19:07+00:00

i’m in my mid 20s (F), so i am not a predator’s prime target anymore. i’m also not even close to being old. coming from this outsider’s pov, we begin to feel a motherly instinct for those girls who are 16-22 at around my age. it’s not out of jealousy. we all still have droves of men who proposition us on the regular into our 50s. my mother is 55, and men still don’t leave her alone - even men in their late 30s.

sometimes, this “motherly instinct” that we feel can be a bit of a projection on our part. we have a flashback to when we were being groomed as teenagers or even just screwed over by a 26 year old at 18. even though we should warn young women about older guys, we have to realize that they’re whole adults who might have to figure this out by themselves instead of getting told what to do. we don’t want to infantilize these women.

we also have to acknowledge reality. when i was 16, i had no interest in 16 year olds. i did not want to date a boy whose mom had to drop us off at the movie theater. i did not want to date a boy who could only afford applebee’s half off apps. neither will most other 16 year old girls besides football captain-cheerleader power couples, and no matter how much we warn them until we’re blue in the face about older guys, they’re gonna just do it. and maybe some will come out of it unscathed like i did. i never felt like my 19 year old boyfriend at 16 was bad news, but if i tweeted this or commented it on facebook, i would be swarmed with pity about how i don’t even realize that i’ve been groomed.

men also warn young women about creepy older men, by the way. it’s just that they don’t get hit with nasty stereotypes like “jealous old hag” when they do. they’re seen as Very Correct and Protective.

poppy_blu · 2021-06-02T18:06:53+00:00

So PPD is accepting fiction pieces now?

lingualistic · 2021-06-02T22:29:53+00:00

No, because normal healthy adults want a compatible partner when it comes to maturity and stage of life. Creepy men want the youngest and most inexperienced woman possible to make into their subservient cock sleeve.

Responsible-Bike9047 · 2021-06-02T19:04:51+00:00

If you’re a grown man specifically attracted to newly adult women (18-21) you’re a creep it’s just that simple. Coming from a 21 year old.

crookedsummer2019 · 2021-06-02T16:24:53+00:00

I don’t know any older women who try to dissuade men from dating younger women in order to date her instead. Where is this a thing, outside of the internet I mean?

alberto-hoff · 2021-06-02T16:46:21+00:00

Women of all ages warn other girls of creepy older men.

Men of all ages warn girls about creepy older men.

FnckTheDnck · 2021-06-02T23:25:39+00:00

Lol we don’t care about the men. We want to protect the young women. It’s kinda disgusting and weird when a older man wants to date young women.

SaBahRub · 2021-06-02T15:56:10+00:00

Lol, where are women saying this?

We are saying that “perving on and pursuing the ignorant specifically because they are ignorant is exploitative and predatory, ya predatory pervs”

passepar2t · 2021-06-02T16:08:06+00:00

Where do women say that?

tylerdrea · 2021-06-02T17:00:48+00:00

Both men and women warn young girls away from old creeps. It’s not a jealousy thing.

There’s a reason most Dads don’t want a thirty year old dating their eighteen year old daughter, even other men see these men for what they are - predatory.

As for the money thing, I really don’t care if a hot young woman takes an old man’s money, I’m not going to white knight for him. That’s essentially the deal the man made, is it not? If she’s ten times hotter and twenty years younger, he knows (or should know, but no fool like an old fool) why she’s with him.

Expensive-Guitar3609 · 2021-06-02T17:37:48+00:00

Women would never said that.

Women just say younger women are naive, and grown men dating young women can't get women their age because they can't handle an experienced woman, so they go for naive women aka young women.

It's just naive women are more appealing to predatory men ok? Because that's the only reasson a man would date a younger, more good looking, more fertile, more easy going, less demanding woman... With a shorter past. And without kids.

AreOut · 2021-06-03T20:36:06+00:00

I get approached a lot by 35+ women, I politely reject and have no problems with it. I understand them because a lot of 38yo guys like me are going to accept their offer.

Odd-Dark · 2021-06-02T18:54:39+00:00

I think we're starting to stretch parallels pretty far in pursuit of trying to equalize the field in some bizarre manner. The true fascination with gender dynamics for me comes from the fact that there often times isn't an analogy.

I'd say it's much more reasonable for a woman to go after a man her age (since stats show men marry women only 2 years younger or something like that), than for some greasy nerd to go after a girl out of his league. Also the wall is a redpill cope.

Hungry-Nebula · 2021-06-02T17:33:17+00:00

even though I spend most my time playing on my pc rather than volunteering in my community

That is such an oddly specific scenario.

TheAlmightyForge · 2021-06-05T04:52:53+00:00

You do realize that if you were not attractive in your 20s suddenly making 80k when your 33 isn't gonna turn you into a chick magnet .That power fantasy you got stuck in your head only applies to above average men not losers with nothing to offer other than bad sex and years of pent up misogny .

TheChocolateBarsGuy · 2021-06-02T17:44:22+00:00

Eh not really.

Older men who can't get younger women because they are fat , ugly and have no social skills are jealous of men their own age getting younger women. So are the guys her age who are mad that she is dating an older guy.

On the womens side of things older ones tell young ones to not date older men are jealous too. You see this especially with single post wall women who understand that they do not have the smv they used to. Men their age can get younger , fertile and beautiful women.

They know that they cannot compete so they start calling names and making shit up.

Mens SMV rises up with time ! He gets more money , status etc. If he takes care of himself it will be very high.

Sperm quality for a man in shape doesn't start to shareply decline until 40s so mother nature is on mens side. While womens fertility starts to sharply decline at the age of 25.

Nice guys need to stop being one and learn how to be a fucking man. Yes women will always shoot for tall , handsome guy with money. The thing is most women won't get one to marry her.

There is so many ways for guys to make sure they do not get divorced raped and one of them is to get a woman in her prime year. Because the worst kind of divorces happen when a womens options dry out and she chooses a guy she would have never given a chance at her peak. It gets very nasty and bitter.

At least the " nice " guy can offer way more than than an old hag past her prime with rotten eggs and standards she think that she deserves because she fucked with few high value guy.

Mobrowncheeks · 2021-06-02T15:38:52+00:00

Actually, the older lady, even in the situation you wrote, is offering the same thing as the younger woman, the older one is just. Well old. Atleast the the nice guy is offering to be more kind, pleasant and loyal to the woman compared to the popular guy.

PlayfulLawyer · 2021-06-02T18:35:18+00:00

That's fair, a lot of women will just say they're being protective of the "prEdAtOrY" men, and they're full of shit when they say it but none the less the man pushed back I see women say is "he only dates younger women because he can't handle a real mature or whatever woman", like they do this with Leonardo DiCaprio (mainly out of jealousy) but if a guy still has high enough sexual Marketplace value and all the options , why would he not choose the best option for himself if he has no interest in getting married?

Im_The_Daiquiri_Man · 2021-06-03T00:49:21+00:00

Two words: Sour Grapes.

Age gap relationships are the ones that get those cope hamsters spinning spinning so fast they could power a city.

As always, it’s a result of women not knowing (or even needing to know) why they feel the way they do. They just go by their fee’s that it’s yucky and creepy for an “old creeper” to be trying to exchange words with a girl half his age.

Did she mention she speaks from experience and has eagerly seduced and fucked that hawt professor that one time?

But… after getting older she realizes she was totally “groomed” and “coerced” into it and bares no responsibility for her actions as an adult.

Now that she’s a strong powerful (bitchy) woman at 35, it enrages her that that same type of attractive older guy she tried to fuck in her 20’s still wants a hot, younger (and more pleasant) woman.

Here’s a news flash - older guys can and do get very willing young pussy with some consistency if they aren’t creepy and wear their age well.

Its like every PPD woman pictures the horseshoe bald, fat mall cop leering at teenagers, rather than the handsome, in shape, well dressed society playboy in his 40’s that has an interesting life taking a 25 year old paralegal out to dinner.

They will always imagine a badgering Weinstein forcing himself on women and never an easy going Di Caprio having to fight them off because their hamsters would short circuit.

Another thing that provokes the hamstering is they can’t comprehend dating choices that aren’t governed by hypergamy.

“muh sAmE sTaGe iN lIFe” is just hamsterese for “you’d better be as good or better than me in all facets or else you’re a loser”

Since men don’t have this requirement and actually enjoy leading a relationship, dating a woman “below his station” or “less experienced” is not seen as a problem like it is for women.

Women will the reframe this as “taking advantage of a naive vulnerable woman!” because they can’t assign (or even comprehend) any non devious / predatory motive to it.

This allows them to (as always) present themselves as the keeper of virtue and social justice so they don’t get cast out of the tribe for their own shitty behavior and choices.

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xFallacyx69 · 2021-06-02T17:25:48+00:00

I think “no different” is disingenuous. The nice guy can easily workout, eat more/less, etc to be in the same looks ball park, but if he still wants to be “nice” and would never have the abundance mentality... she’s always gonna pick the edgy bad boy type.

The older woman can’t really get younger looking without tons of surgery that probably won’t change shit. But the guy isn’t going to go around saying stupid shit like “I wish women my age were more lady-like and nicer and blah blah blah while sleeping with a total bitch.

Either way, I don’t think older men sleeping with younger women give 2 shits about “why” she’s sucking his dick. Who cares unless you’re vetting for a LTR

wtknight · 2021-06-02T20:28:07+00:00

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MidnightRaspberries · 2021-06-02T22:47:08+00:00

I'm not sure that's general advice dished out it's usually more specifically tied to a person. "I know Jeremy has washboard abs, but he cheated on all of his past girlfriends!".

S0mnariumx · 2021-06-03T01:01:17+00:00

How old are we talking? Cause I'm entering my 30s and if an attractive woman in their 30s (or even 40s) were into me I'd be ecstatic unless they have kids.

fakingandnotmakingit · 2021-06-03T02:33:50+00:00

I don't think the message is "don't fuck younger women" because the way the vast majority of women know don't care if adult men and adult women are in age gap relationships. Though it does raise eyebrows.

What we don't like is age gap relationships with young women in particular, because these are often (but not always) a bit dodgy and is fertile ground for abuse.

According to research the brain fully develops around your mid-20s. Specifically the parts related to rational decision making, emotional control and impulse control. So the way I see it age gap relationships where at least one person is under 25 can be predatory.

Personally there is a difference between

"don't date someone significantly younger than you whose brain has not yet fully developed. And youre probably best to date your own age" and

"date me because I'm nice."

Jenneapolis · 2021-06-03T02:37:44+00:00

Lol older women don’t have to try - young guys flock to sexy older women on their own. Or that’s been my experience, the men drive it

fdslied2U · 2021-06-03T02:43:04+00:00

Kevin Samuels is sacrificing his name and image to say what men have been thinking for 60 years. He wouldnt have a platform if men could find women. And when that changes he wont be needed but him getting paid along the way is only fair considering what he loses to do what he does for America. His youtube money wont last forever and he will find it hard to move from entertainment back into any legitimate business. And he could fail and not get paid as well. Hes not the hero we wanted but god dammit hes the hero we got.

mandoa_sky · 2021-06-03T03:01:55+00:00

can't speak for other women but i literally only spoke to 5 boys on a regular basis when i was in high school - one was my brother and the other the brother of my best friend. i went to an all girls' school and was more interested in academics than meeting boys.

iloafbread · 2021-06-03T04:50:29+00:00

They’re both “pick me’s”

Or am I wrong ?

ivy176 · 2021-06-03T05:53:10+00:00

I mean there are some similarities but how common is it to be begging an engaged person to marry you instead? Lol

Willow-girl · 2021-06-04T11:33:54+00:00

Having been with men older, younger and close to my age, I gotta say I prefer the latter. There's something to be said for having grown up in the same era and having the same frame of reference. One of my husbands was a Vietnam War veteran and it bothered him, I think, that I was in grade school while he was flying over rice paddies getting his ass shot at! The war was a formative experience for him but it barely registered on my radar. My partner now is my age exactly (our birth dates are only a couple of days apart) and it's much more fun to play "remember when" with him. I assume that my ex probably found a new wife/GF closer to his age and is happier with her, lol.

Aldabruzzo · 2021-06-02T18:13:39+00:00

Except that's not the message most older women have for men their age. It's more like

Don't pick that young, hot woman. I know she looks cute and playful but she will only be with you for your money. I have my own money. I'm more interesting, I have a great job, and I have cool hobbies. I'm also more sexually experienced, I'm better in bed, and I will give you the best blowjob you've ever had.

Title	CMV: Older women's proposal to men their age is no different than the "nice guy's" proposal?
Author	mcpister8294834
Upvotes	99
Comments	318
Date	June 2, 2021 3:22 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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