Default sub post on the front page drops a massive Red Pill with a dose of equality: “Telling a male to “man up” is the equivalent to telling a woman to “stay in the kitchen.”

The_German_One · 2017-10-31T15:05:18+00:00

Aaaaand it's gone.

Found the actual topic by just googling the text, but it doesn't show up in the main page of Showerthoughts, and probably not on the main page of reddit.

angels_fan · 2017-10-31T16:05:32+00:00

I hear, "a REAL man does...." more than man up.

Almost exclusively by women towards men.

sp0rkah0lic · 2017-10-31T20:00:02+00:00

Is this even a controversial statement? It's pretty widely acknowledged that sexism hurts women and men. This seems a pretty clear example if this.

OCD_Orca · 2017-10-31T16:16:14+00:00

I don't mind being told to "man up." Now when someone says "Why can't you do this like a REAL man?" that's when I lose it.

FragRaptor · 2017-10-31T18:22:39+00:00

A lot of feminists agree with this >.>

Lethn · 2017-10-31T16:32:50+00:00

I think what pisses me off is when feminists tell everyone that telling men to "man up" is a bad thing then proceed to immediately ridicule and attack them when they bring up real issues they have to deal with. I wonder how many of these people who upvoted that post would have the exact same attitudes with men who bring up women on male rape or false accusations for example.

AwkwardSploosh · 2017-10-31T20:04:41+00:00

I've always been a fan of the term "gird up your loins" as opposed to "man up." It's gender neutral and usually conveys the same thing, without conveying the whole men-should-be-tough preconception

SOwED · 2017-10-31T19:19:04+00:00

This post was removed because it violated the rules of the subreddit. I think we should focus not on the (fair) removal, but on the fact that this post got 5900 points in 6 hours. That's encouraging in my eyes.

HardLessontoLearn · 2017-10-31T15:10:32+00:00

I agree that there may be truth here, but I'm also curious about how this is used regionally (because again, I agree with the overall sentiment). "Man up" is something I've heard said to both men and women, in the same way saying "you guys" is used to describe groups of men and women.

I know "you guys" can be a regional thing. Where you live, is "man up" something that would be told to both men and women?

Edit- thinking more about it, what about other masculine-inferred phrases like "grow a pair", "grow some huevos" (now I'm showing my region), etc. I hear these used equally for both genders, though they obviously imply masculinity = boldness, strength, courage, etc. How are phrases like these used in other regions?

Edit- Again, I'm NOT saying the implication of the post isn't accurate or that these phrases are okay to use, even if used for both genders. I'm just wondering if they're used similarly in other places.

AlekseiDanilov · 2017-10-31T17:27:16+00:00

on a similar topic, the only time i've heard "boys will be boys" is when feminists explain that that phrase is used to excuse boys' bad behaviour. I've never heard anyone saying it at all besides that context.

nocivo · 2017-10-31T18:08:53+00:00

If people tell me man up in the same context as a real man do this or that, I will be piss. But if is in the context of be strong and ignore that shit I actually don’t mind and I think he actually a good thing

TheWhiskeyTickler · 2017-10-31T19:35:41+00:00

It will get removed like that askreddit thread that asked male redditors to share their expierences with creepy/clingy women. Gotta keep up that narrative.

rawbface · 2017-10-31T18:48:42+00:00

Just had training at work and I was pleased to find out that telling another coworker to "man up" is taken very seriously as sexual harassment.

Vapodaca17 · 2017-10-31T20:13:55+00:00

“No politics or SJW posts” lmao that’s the reason apparently. Watch out we are getting too political over here

dontdreddonme · 2017-10-31T18:49:43+00:00

“Red pill” usually means angry loser That hates women

upinthemountains42 · 2017-10-31T21:02:52+00:00

man up

daxl70 · 2017-10-31T21:16:01+00:00

The other day i called down a plumber to fix a shower leak we have had for several months now, this guy fixed it as quickly as possible and charged a lot more than i was hoping for. My wife later got angry due to the excessive charge and told me why didnt you try to fix it? to what i said: why didnt you? she didnt say anything back.

SolusLoqui · 2017-10-31T21:36:16+00:00

FYI, One of the rules of r/ShowerThoughts is:

No thoughts about politics, social justice, or religion.

Rethgil · 2017-11-01T00:06:32+00:00

Yes. And it's not just the statement itself that is so wrong-its the fact that the context means that to make any equivalent comment about women would lead to utter hysteria and a man could LITERALLY lose their entire career over it.

Its an example of how unbalanced and unequal and overly powerful women have become when just a few words can cost a man his career, whilst there's literally nothing a woman could say that would do the same.

And its in THAT context that the 'man up' comment is made, and is therefore even more repulsive and passive aggressive.

bumbuff · 2017-10-31T17:34:01+00:00

The best is, "A real man would..."

Usually said by a lazy woman.

DJ_Mbengas_Taco · 2017-10-31T19:44:20+00:00

I’d say it’s more equivalent to telling a woman to stop being a pussy but either works. I was just told the other day to “man up” at work because I refused to change diapers, which wasn’t at all my job 🤷🏼‍♂️

VagMaster69_4life · 2017-10-31T21:04:57+00:00

Men should man up. Women should stay in the kitchen. Why is gender equality always about men acting like women and women acting like men?

Visimicus · 2017-10-31T21:08:39+00:00

I use that term for both men and women, grow a pair as well. If someone were to call me out about Manning up, that's one thing. Telling my girlfriend to man up and kill the roach is another. Or telling my buddy to get on the skateboard. Same definition as being a pussy, but slightly so.

IrideTheDirt · 2017-11-01T15:09:41+00:00

Man up: accept the role of being male in society, as being a provider without complaint. as being an unsung hero. As patting women on the back in a patronizing way assuring them they are just as capable as men, calling it feminism, and keeping that laugh going for many years. Accept being a man, being potentially disposable unless you're in the top tier of intelligence or born into advantage. You're the cogs of humanity, invisible to many, your backs will be broken for the benefit of the many. Man up, because it is your turn to suffer a little bit for the benefit of humanity, man up because whining about your plight isn't something this society wants to hear. Man up, because being born a man is an advantage in a few ways, but getting sympathy isn't one of them, nor is being viewed as deserving of a helping hand from time to time, man up and figure it out for yourself. Man up and realize that you'd better deal with reality on realities terms, and those terms are greatly pushed by evolutionary impulses inside our brains. Man up and realize that while women are just as capable as you in many ways, the reality is that in many others, "women" as a dividing category for humans, aren't generally willing to take risks of life and limb. Women don't like working in unpleasant conditions as often as men seem to. Men are far more willing to trade discomfort and displeasure for more money. Those uneducated, with strong backs can earn more dollars, and find career pathways paved on their strong backs, sometimes when coupled with intelligence the strong back can earn on the job education, and advancement. Women who remain relatively uneducated have options that aren't as obvious, but a path into higher positions does exist via on the job education and an attitude of work ethic and again a healthy dose of intelligence. But what we fail to see is that the bottom 20% of earners are primarily men as well as the top 20% of earners being primarily men. So, Man Up and accept your fate if you're an idiot. You do not have high earner potential, therefore you will make up the majority of low income earners... Why??? It could be because most times, women who would earn such low wages simply aren't working, while someone else is Manning Up for them, and working a double shift while they stay home and don't hold a job for various reasons, such as raising children, or being unable to work for whatever reason, sickness, laziness... whatever. more women simply do not work than men, and are cared for by someone who is currently Manning Up.

Man Up for the good of society, because feminism demands it, and equal opportunity already exists, but what they are seeking now is equity, and without plenty of manning up, we cannot make sure there is enough to spread equally among the masses and provide for all.

underscorepry · 2017-10-31T19:38:15+00:00

I hate commenting in this sub, but- radical feminists are against this shit as much as you guys are. It's called the patriarchy, and it affects men and women.

cameronlcowan · 2017-10-31T16:19:06+00:00

This is applicable here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpDNGqJ4Ep0

RedPillWizard · 2017-10-31T18:41:15+00:00

man up

CopyX · 2017-11-01T00:29:48+00:00

Calling shit like this "red pills" is why no one takes subs like this fucking seriously.

You understand the implicit implication in agreeing with this, right?

A lot of women don't like phrases like this either. Or grow a pair. It's based on the "understanding" that heartiness or strength is associated with being male.

Toxic masculinity is despised by as many feminists as it is by men. I've heard "man up" from way more men in my life than I ever had women.

cappiebara · 2017-11-01T01:09:44+00:00

I am 100% MRA and egalitarian but the The Red Pill is weird AF. I spent a lot of time on that subreddit and it shits on egalitarianism. Yes some (if not most) women specifically take advantage of men. Yes some (if not most) women shit on men... But that doesn't mean one should treat them like shit.

ElusiveMonty · 2017-10-31T18:54:44+00:00

Lol has this seriously been removed from Shower Thoughts twice? Can't let any of those double standards or discrimination against men show. That might discredit the feminist stance, and we can't have that.

Lol I'm fucking "triggered" over here

whenrudyardbegan · 2017-10-31T20:52:43+00:00

Bullshit. Men's rights response to misandry should not be to pretend men are women. "man up" means get tough because being tough is manly. That's biology and it's universal across ago cultures and there's nothing wrong with it. OP, man up.

1YardLoss · 2017-10-31T22:30:16+00:00

What about "ball up" I've told a girl to ball up before. Or "grow a pair" I've said that too.

BecausePoopsIsFunny · 2017-11-01T01:28:16+00:00

I don’t know if this is true. I get the point, but it’s not hitting the nail on the head for me.

wingman_joe · 2017-11-01T01:56:55+00:00

So... Is the implication here that a man shouldn't man up? And that women shouldn't stay in the (proverbial) kitchen?

Gunter1924 · 2017-11-01T04:31:11+00:00

what? how is taking the high road comparable to being subservient?

DarkIntrovertedBlob · 2017-11-01T13:26:32+00:00

Usually I'd prefer it, if society didn't tell me what to do, in such an archaic fashion. I can "Man up" whenever I want to.

Kerchew · 2017-11-01T13:50:01+00:00

I am really not bothered at all by the phrase man up.

boose22 · 2017-10-31T18:08:33+00:00

Its not really equivalent though because manning up is seen as admirable and staying in the kitchen is seen as shameful.

BleedRedAndYellow · 2017-10-31T21:10:16+00:00

How so?

In that women staying in the kitchen is actually the better option for women in Europe and America today?

What's wrong with telling men that they can't have "man shelters", telling them to grow some balls and be men for once?

Would you, OP, rather us tell men to woman up rather than man up?

Do 'men' need a safe place/space now? Smh.

AkiraDeathStar · 2017-10-31T21:06:12+00:00

You guys are a bunch of pussies. Man up! Not sarcasm.

J2501 · 2017-10-31T20:50:58+00:00

it's a tired old ego game. 'If you were a real man, you'd ask me to dinner at your expense.'

The fact that society enables women to be so transparently selfish and evil is what sends all the good men running away, and the women won't realize they are wrong until they are old and unattractive.

Hesturerbestur · 2017-10-31T21:45:11+00:00

I know this doesn't belong here, and to be clear, this is not the opinion of the overwhelming majority here but...

the real redpill is the fact that men need to man up and women should stay in the kitchen.

ukpolacc · 2017-10-31T23:37:21+00:00

https://i.imgur.com/mcK5E19.png

Yep, they are sexist cunts alright.

analest-analyst · 2017-11-01T06:43:40+00:00

Suck it up, buttercups.

Anataru · 2017-10-31T20:01:04+00:00

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Kadexe · 2017-10-31T21:13:27+00:00

A post in /r/MensRights that isn't about ragging on feminism? What a pleasant surprise.

octochan · 2017-10-31T21:20:06+00:00

What is a red pill?

Tymalic · 2017-10-31T21:51:40+00:00

Why the hell was it removed? Like it isn't really offending anyone. Like is telling someone to 'man-up' not seen as rude to these people?

MGTOWManofMystery · 2017-11-01T00:36:45+00:00

Why don't we keep posting it on r/Showerthoughts?

2017-11-01T01:35:38+00:00

How is that a red pill?

hoeraufist · 2017-11-01T04:12:12+00:00

I like man up. Never really bothered me, and kinda actually gave me a mental kick.

Aeponix · 2017-11-01T04:30:11+00:00

Am I the only one who thinks traditional male stoicism is a good thing?

Sure, you should be able to decompress. Keeping everything bottled inside forever probably isn't the best idea (there are studies that both agree and disagree with this). But there is merit to being able to quit your whining and bitching and just do what you need to do.

Being able to step up to the plate is a traditionally masculine role, but it is a positive one. Telling people it's okay to give up is going to cause people who might have otherwise succeeded to, you guessed it, give up.

Obviously you should pick your own battles. Knowing when stepping up is worth it is as important as being able to step up in the first place. But when you know a goal is worth the sacrifice, being able to put your emotions aside and do what needs to be done makes you a hero in your own story.

Male disposability is something we talk about a lot here, and it ties in with this topic. I think what we need to keep in mind as 21st century men is that manning up isn't necessarily a bad thing, but some people will use our by-any-means-necessary attitude against us. They will tell you to "man up and pay your child support" when the bill is impossible to cover and you have no visitation. They will tell you to "man up and support your wife" who doesn't have a job and treats you like crap.

The bottom line is that being able to man up is a good thing. It's a tool in your toolbelt. Just don't let people take advantage of you because you're willing to sacrifice your well-being to reach a goal.

AFandAM · 2017-11-01T04:31:47+00:00

There is nothing even remotely comparable to these two phrases. One is outdated and unnecessarily sexist, and the other is simply a way of telling a man to act like what he is, rather than a simpering, whiny, useless parasite. Men are hardwired for action, not for emotions or dithering. Go ahead and be in touch with your inner feelings if you want, but know that if you are ever in a crisis, you will suffer for it.

Men and women are not the same, never have been, and never will be. Men and women should, in almost all things, be given equal opportunities. Men and women should never be given equal outcomes.

goilers97 · 2017-11-01T03:15:33+00:00

I figure everyone in this sub is a 30 year old who’s never had a girlfriend in their life and blames women for all their issues

SherwoodDanger · 2017-11-01T05:25:45+00:00

Feminists have been saying this for years.

NimbleJack3 · 2017-11-01T04:38:40+00:00

Aren't the "red pill" people the creepy hypermacho people who share tips on manipulating women for sex?

L3tum · 2017-10-31T23:16:04+00:00

I'd just like to say to everyone who says it violates a rule:

https://www.np.reddit.com/r/showerthoughts/comments/4w63jp

I don't really see the difference there unless they changed the rules in the meantime. Just looked at Top of all time

thehenkan · 2017-11-01T06:08:17+00:00

Is red pill a good thing now?

B4_da_rapture_repent · 2017-11-01T05:10:32+00:00

I don't think they are equivalent at all. "Man up" is encouraging positive male traits like strength and perseverance. "Stay in the kitchen" is implying negative feminine traits like submissiveness and obedience.

A closer parallel to "man up" would be "a woman's touch" which implies positive traits such as carefullness and attention to detail.

I understand that "man up" can sometimes be used negatively as a dismissive term in regards to male emotions, but I still feel it is more often used for encouragement. Where as "stay in the kitchen" only has a negative connotation.

chambertlo · 2017-11-01T03:07:13+00:00

No the fuck it isn’t.

Default sub post on the front page drops a massive Red Pill with a dose of equality: “Telling a male to “man up” is the equivalent to telling a woman to “stay in the kitchen.”

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