Do you support "old school" feminism?

Spirited_Cod260 · 2025-01-02T15:54:20+00:00

Who the hell wouldn't support this?

Zabadoodude · 2025-01-02T17:51:38+00:00

Yes, of course

Tren_troll · 2025-01-02T15:47:43+00:00

I support women showing that they can outperform men through a combination of hard work, skill and a can-do attitude.

Highly competent women do more to advance the cause of feminism than tens of thousands of whiny woke activists.

ilikecats18851 · 2025-01-02T23:06:43+00:00

OP thinks she's smart because she managed to imply before feminism women in ALL cultures were stoned for showing skin and had FGM. Ridiculous. How do people fall for this? "b-b-b-b-but it happens in india" We're talking about the west.

Pay gap has been disproven.

Women when given equal access to education do not choose trades or engineering at the same rate as men no matter how many tax dollars are given to them as incentives.

Women are not penalized in pay solely because of their sex. IF they are penalized in their pay (unlikely)

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LaloTwinsDa2nd · 2025-01-07T07:59:36+00:00

Yup

It’s the equity crap that’s ridiculous to me

Women should have every possibility to choose to undertake or rebuke a certain lifestyle.

Modern Feminism concludes (though through subterfuge) that women should gain the advantages of all systems available to her and men should pick up the slack.

LoopyPro · 2025-01-02T16:53:59+00:00

All in favor, though I have some comments of a few points:

Women should not be penalized in her pay solely because of her sex

People should be paid for the value of the work they do. Not paying someone who doesn't work is not a punishment. A woman who works a low-demand job and gets paid less than a man who works a high-demand job is "punished" for her choice, not her sex.

Also, a woman who's on paternity leave shouldn't be financially supported by her boss or the taxpayer, but by her partner.

Women not working because of their periods should take sick days like everyone else who feels too unwell to work.

Women should be able to file for divorce from abusive husbands

Anyone should be able to nullify a marriage at any time, no strings attached. No one is entitled to alimony. Women are emancipated and therefore capable of taking care of themselves. As mentioned in the other points in OP's post, choosing to work less because you want to start a family is a woman's own choice, therefore she carries the responsibility by herself.

DzejSiDi · 2025-01-02T21:17:57+00:00

No.

It was NEVER for "equality", it was always the same, before it just was able to masquerade itself better due to various issues needed to be addressed.

I understand egalitarians, but I think they're just naive. Feminists are just stupid/vile.

Those believes you have listed are egalitarians. And I agree with most egalitarian postulates, this includes 9 out of 10 claims from here, I just don't think people should have the right to vote by mere virtue of existing, so I am more for republic-like solutions.

lastoflast67 · 2025-01-02T16:22:27+00:00

No.

I don't disagree with any of the individual points here but the issue with this and all feminist rhetoric is they are only rights. Feminism never talks about or tries to ever impose any partnered/new responsibilities onto women to accompany the rights its asks for, and so all it does is privilege women at the expense of men.

abaxeron · 2025-01-02T21:40:56+00:00

No on all points.

Vote: there has never been made a case why women should constitute the majority of voters for supreme military commander and representatives with power to declare wars while being universally immune to the draft, or (best case) subject to it on preferential terms. "It's because they're hooman beeans!" - So is chairman of CCP. "It's because they're subject to the same laws!" - No they are not. Come back when women aren't given half the incarceration rate and 63% prison time for the same crime.

Education: invading and desecrating colleges that men made by and for themselves is not equal opportunity.

Muh Credit Cards: women should not have the privilege to redistribute the risks of their awful borrowing and spending habits onto men. Have your own feminist credit unions for this. Oh wait, you tried. And failed. Also, vagina should not override a man's will.

Career: No, women should not have the privilege to force male employers to hire them, or male teams to accomodate them.

MUHWAAAGEGAP: 2014 called.

Decency laws: Bush-era anti-Islamic propagandist hysteria. Skip. Go enjoy a vacation in Singapore where men, and only men, are flogged for petty crime.

Contraceptives: women don't want "access"; women want married male taxpayers to cover the costs and risks of their weekly excavation by Chad. No.

Divore from abusers: No; abusive marriages should be forcibly terminated, annulled, and separated, regardless of the perpetrator's sex, or divorce petition being filed.

FGM: On a fence. Since it's a thing that women do to girls, they can sort this one out among themselves.

"Leadership roles based on merit": No; in democracies leadership roles are assigned based on who won the election, not "merit". Follow the goddamn rules you "fought so hard" to agree with and take part in.

PattayaVagabond · 2025-01-02T17:01:22+00:00

No women shouldn't have these privileges unless they prove they can handle them with the exception of number 9.

No-Rough-7390 · 2025-01-02T15:58:55+00:00

1) no, But I don’t think voting should be a right anyways. It should be earned through some form of civil service.
2/3) sure
4) sure but that would mean no lowering of standards for them.
5) sure, but that would mean pregnancy means no pay if they miss time.
6) yes
7) sure, though I’d be cool with abortions being public record
8) sure but I’d also want divorce law amended in a few other ways.
9) agreed, disgusting
10) sure

However, you don’t get to today without the first steps. So I don’t see the point in separating the two.

IT_ServiceDesk · 2025-01-02T16:43:36+00:00

I do NOT support old school feminism, but some of these items are just reality.

(1) Women should have the right to vote

Yes, but the idea of universal voting of uninformed uninterested people doesn't sit well with me. I would say I disagree with some of the primary motivation for women voting, like, I don't think the government is about abortion. When it comes to politics though, that's often how the importance of government is portrayed.

(2) Women and girls should have equal opportunities to pursue education

Yes, but I don't see the current state of things in America as "equal opportunity". I'd say that we've seen 4 decades of female favoritism in education. For example, women have been a majority of college students for over 4 decades and no one cares to end the practice of favoring women for scholarships and admissions.

(3) Women should be able to have their own credit cards, bank accounts, property ownership, etc

Yes, it's required in society and they now are responsible for their own debts too.

(4) Women should have equal opportunities to pursue any career

I know the law states this and it's a reality of the modern world, but I do disagree with it in practice, especially when quotas are involved. Like, they shouldn't be barred outright, but I'm 100% okay with them being excluded if they don't meet physical requirements for those types of jobs. I'm also wary of women in the military and am aware of problems with female social dynamics in the workplace, especially when they become a majority in a department. They have an impact to primary jobs of getting things done sometimes.

(5) Women should not be penalized in her pay solely because of her sex

Yes. Solely based on her sex. Should not be penalized.

(6) Women should not be stoned for showing skin in public

I do not support murder for things like this.

(7) Women should have access to contraceptives and birth control

I do not agree with this in all forms. Condoms, sure, but I do see a problem with hormonal birth control and practices like abortion. I don't think it's a free for all.

(8) Women should be able to file for divorce from abusive husbands

I have no issue with this, but I don't think it's a primary driver for divorce.

(9) Baby Girls should not be subject to mutilation

Yes.

(10) Women should have access to leadership roles based on merit

On merit, yes. The problem with this is the insertion of quotas when they don't get there on merit.

Title	Do you support "old school" feminism?
Author	Windmill_flowers
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Date	January 2, 2025 3:39 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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