Men arent hated for having preferences. Its when theyre being creepy assholes about it.

Bubbly_Pension4020 · 2024-10-25T21:04:41+00:00

You've personally told guys what preferences they should and shouldn't have on here.

Most of your posts come off as an attempt to gaslight an entire sub.

Melodic_Structure928 · 2024-10-25T22:59:44+00:00

Oh boy...... where do I even begin with this post, your legit contradicting yourself in several areas on here.

I mean ur not incorrect, specifically about men attacking women who don't fit there tastes of what's usually seen as attractive. However I can both reverse your example easily and also put to the opposite where men were indeed very respectful yet were met with hate and backlash.

Example of the above

Nobody:

Women: "why haven't short men ethier offed themselves or transitioned"

Nobody:

Women: "if a men doesn't make insert however much amount of money he isn't a real man (or an other he's not a real men if he doesn't do what benefits me saying)

Nobody:

Women: I like blank race probably white based off all the stats we have

like if I as a men who works out to stay fit simply states that I want a fit girl who matches my life style I'm often attacked and reticulated for my preceived misogynistic take and hatred against all women usually by fat acceptance.

Recently there was a game I believe called steller blade that contained, well what one could probably be pointed too as more conventional attractive women, which ofc got tons of hate Karen's and feminist claims like "this is literally killing women" where thrown around.

So no the situation if far different then men simply stating direct preferences in the rudest manner and then being ridiculed as such they are directly hated and ousted as misogynist for having any preferences at all.

just_a_place · 2024-10-26T07:00:15+00:00

Because women totally never say shit that absolutely NO ONE ever asked them nor wants to hear about...

Tj21040 · 2024-10-25T20:43:05+00:00

If they’re saying these things in forums in which these topics are discussed then does it matter if “nobody asked”? Technically nobody “asked” you to post this and yet here you are. People can voice their opinion regardless of if someone “asked” or not. That’s a ridiculous reason to have an issue with them voicing their preference. Now if you just don’t like how it’s said that’s different. Still though generally nobody is walking up to women and saying these things. I’m a black man and I see women (mainly black ones) say disparaging things online about black men and why they won’t date them. Nobody tells them “nobody asked”. I also don’t have to consume such content if I don’t like it….. Feel free to respond OP and make sure not to quote me out of context in your response this time and ask to clarify if you’re confused. And Don’t ask questions with statement I didn’t make.

AcephalicDude · 2024-10-25T21:19:43+00:00

The even bigger problem is that nobody qualifies these statements as coming from their perspective. Everything is universalized as if it always applies to everyone.

It's never "I prefer..." or "what I want in a relationship is..." or "what works for me is..."

It's always "All men/women prefer..." or "what all men/women want in a relationship is..." or "what all men/women should do is..."

BigMoistTwonkie · 2024-10-25T20:38:24+00:00

Are you talking about in real life, or on the internet? I don't see why anybody should have to censor themselves on the internet and speak in casual niceities. We're all anonymous here. The internet, reddit in particular, exists for us to express our thoughts in the most raw, unfiltered way possible (within reason, of course).

I don't believe that you've ever heard anybody say any of that cringe shit in real life.

63daddy · 2024-10-25T20:41:28+00:00

The problem is that a guy doesn’t have to be doing anything inappropriate to be considered creepy. “Creepy” these days is anything a woman isn’t interested in. It’s about how the man is perceived.

If guy A and guy B behave the same way but the woman is interested in guy A but not guy B, then guy B is being a creep but A isn’t, despite the fact their behavior was the same.

It’s the same issue we see with harassment policies which often define harassment by whether or not an action is welcome or not which again is about the woman’s perception rather than the action itself. Again, two men can say or do the exact same thing but one is a harasser and one isn’t based on how the woman feels about each.

missmireya · 2024-10-25T21:43:26+00:00

I would love to see current photos of the guys here who say this stuff and line them up to assess their looks. I've been told in numerous subs for literally years now that I don't deserve a decent guy my own age (40s) because I'm "old" and I probably "look terrible". Yet they never say this to middle aged men who are seeking a partner.

In real life, men never say this to me. I am told often that I'm attractive and that I don't look like I'm in my forties. It's mostly younger men pursuing me.

Let's be real- This is Reddit. Most of the single men on here are autistic as f*** and probably unfortunate looking as well.

MeteorMash101 · 2024-10-25T20:46:41+00:00

Bro, no men just blurts these things out at random lmao (online or irl)…

It’s always in the context of a discussion. In which case yes, everytime these preferences are stated, it was always a valid form of self-expression. Whether you agree with whats being said or not is irrelevant, it is always okay for people to state their feelings.

Stop being “stuck-up”.

YveisGrey · 2024-10-25T23:05:40+00:00

And for the men who still don’t get it

A woman could say: “I prefer men who are tall” or “I find taller men attractive”

vs saying: Men who are short disgust me and remind me of children. They would never win a fight with a 6’5 muscle man and that just disgusts me. I would never even consider letting one touch me let alone have sex with me.

Get it?? GET IT?

attendquoi · 2024-10-25T20:38:18+00:00

Sometimes it seems men like to announce their standards because they think it'll affect the behavior of women. If they were worth changing for, they wouldn't be struggling.

weenieandthebutt · 2024-10-25T20:57:10+00:00

I don't always condone the harsh comments but nah, even when guys are being civil about their preferences or he becomes a bit more distant when let's say, he finds out a woman he's seeing has a promiscuous past, he'll still get blasted for being an incel misogynist.

He's always expected to settle for scraps and receive the lesser treatment whilst he's expected to do his duties.

Similar-Exam4498 · 2024-10-25T22:55:51+00:00

Women are attracts to men around their own age!Younger men have better virility, strength, looks and sperm quality. Deterioration of sperm quality is a major issue in older men that result in a variety of genetic and mental disorders/ unhealthy offspring. This is well documented. Medical research and every fertility clinic will tell you this.

nuclearmeltdown2015 · 2024-10-25T23:39:33+00:00

Really immature and naive take. That's generally how I feel about the majority of these posts that try to explain the other gender with broad, lazy generalizations.

MongoBobalossus · 2024-10-25T20:17:52+00:00

Stefan Molyneux is incredibly creepy.

RandomRedditRebel · 2024-10-25T21:06:25+00:00

If you're looking for the internet to be kind and courteous you're going to have a bad time.

TasteAccomplished · 2024-10-25T21:37:35+00:00

At least as much of online discourse is women complaining about men that don't attract them, or stereotyping the ones that do, in equally dismissive or cruel terms - hell, a couple days ago I got downvoted simply for pointing out that men with desires for simulated dominance aren't all loser neckbeards who simultaneously are an active threat to women and want to oppress them. I won't deny redpillers do the same but if you want to believe your ideology is better than theirs you do have to act like it

"Social tact" is arbitrary and weighted in favour of how softly or pitiably you can explain your preference/fetish - I used to get hit on online by a lot of Filipinos and Indians who assumed from the get-go that I was wealthy and interested in paying to marry them because of my ethnicity, and they would face far less societal judgment for it than I would for assuming any Asian I talked to was submissive and interested in becoming a sugar baby (which, to clarify, is wrong to do)

YveisGrey · 2024-10-25T23:02:18+00:00

This was said so casually yet so perfectly

Joe6p · 2024-10-25T20:54:25+00:00

Women talk shit all the time and get away with it. If you actually read/watched all that rp shit then I'm not surprised you saw all that vitriol as well.

Yeah I've only seen inkwells use the term roastie, and they're not getting any anyways.

y2kjanelle · 2024-10-25T22:42:11+00:00

No seriously. I never understand when they are shocked that they are getting negative responses to negative and sometimes horrible comments they make.

If I made fun of virgin uggos who are balding instead of just saying i like guys with a cute smile and curly hair (or just yk said nothing at all??), I would get rightfully flamed.

It’s so unattractive when men don’t have any social tact.

And I won’t even get started with the fertility shit bc it’s a lie and men abandon their children at such high rates, fertility shouldn’t even be in their vocabulary🙄

YveisGrey · 2024-10-25T23:03:02+00:00

Yep and they can’t understand why after saying things in these ways that no one wants to date them.

ArtifactFan65 · 2024-10-25T22:28:16+00:00

I agree men could be less toxic when stating what they are attracted to, but there's nothing wrong with talking about what you are attracted to in a positive manner.

"Even though I rank in the bottom 30th percentile of attractiveness, I find myself particularly attracted to sexy virgin women who are of Caucasian descent." Better? 🤣

nectarinepiss · 2024-10-25T21:26:51+00:00

Been meaning to make this exact post but im lazy

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Imaginary_Sleep_6329 · 2024-10-25T22:04:55+00:00

Yes they are.

TJshimensoka · 2024-10-25T22:20:50+00:00

This is a subreddit were people discuss dating and then you are surprised when people do just that.

e.g

What is actually said: I want a (insert race) girl because they’re (insert stereotypes) and better than (insert other races) because those women are (insert negative stereotypes).

What should be said: I find (insert race) very attractive.

Two completely different points, but still the "creepy asshole" example is doing what you must in because you have to generalize in some manner to drive down points and stereotypes do just that. While stereotypes may not apply to a singular person those stereotypes still exist for a reason due to the group's general trends.

edbegley1 · 2024-10-25T22:41:44+00:00

Right on! Shut up about your preferences unless you're a woman.

FreitasAlan · 2024-10-25T23:32:41+00:00

This whole premise of "Nobody: / Men: I hate women X!". I've never seen that in my entire life. I occasionally see that here, a place meant for debates, so the opposite of "Nobody: (crickets)."

This "What should be said / What is actually said" also contradicts the premise "Say your preference without insulting people." Your examples do not suggest polite and impolite ways of expressing the same preferences. They're just sentences saying different things and are often not about preferences. Of course, they're going to look different. "X is better than Y because Z" differs from "I prefer X." They're not just a less polite way of saying the same thing.

Your example of creepiness perfectly represents this. You would suggest politely phrasing it as "I prefer young women." But "I prefer young women" is not a polite version of the same thing. It's an entirely different statement.

rubymood · 2024-10-26T00:47:17+00:00

thank you lmao. i’ve literally had men approach me just to state over and over how much they’re definitely not attracted to black women.

like i couldn’t possibly care less, leave me alone. i’m not your punching bag. you’d think if black women were just sooo repulsive, they wouldn’t be in my face for 20+ minutes trying to talk. 😭

i’m also someone w/ a low n count and want someone with a low n count. once i hear certain phrases (i.e. ‘oh you’re rare i’m so used to dealing with insert misogynistic slurs’), i run. you can have those values w/o being a weird misogynistic creep about it, but not many do .

DeathcoreOnly · 2024-10-26T20:10:53+00:00

Yeah….except this isn’t true in the slightest is it? Just say you hate men that have preferences that don’t include you and go

HereToShowOff123 · 2024-10-27T06:35:55+00:00

If no one asked you, shut up.

The biggest issue is that guys will blurred out their preference when no one asked.

Nobody:

Men: I hate single moms!

Nobody:

Men: Younger women are better!

Nobody:

Men: I like (insert race)!

It comes off as attention grabbing.

The biggest issue is that women will blurt (that's how you spell that word) out their preference when no one asked.

Nobody:

Women: I hate short men!

Nobody:

Women: Small dick energy!

Nobody:

Women: Balding men are gross!

Nobody:

Women: I hate (insert race) men!

It comes off as attention grabbing. Nobody asked you, so shut up.

Fetishizing a race is creepy. Even then there’s a better way to phrase it.

What should be said: I find (insert race) very attractive.

What is actually said: I want a (insert race) girl because they’re (insert stereotypes) and better than (insert other races) because those women are (insert negative stereotypes).

Cool - go tell the hordes of women on this website's 50 different raceplay subreddits that their fetish (mostly for white males) is disgusting and creepy. Lol. Do you really think it's just men who are doing this? Women are some of the biggest offenders with respect to racial fetishization.

Social tact is very important when you dont want people to hate you for what you say…assuming you didnt mean to be asshole.

Cool - take your own advice. You're one of the worst and most disrespectful and bigoted posters on this board. Not to mention you love to criticize men but don't apply your same critiques to women, even though they ALL apply to women as well.

Youcbah · 2024-10-27T14:02:26+00:00

Everytime I see your post you are gas lighting

Specified_Owl · 2024-11-01T06:45:13+00:00

I like women with PhDs and have dated several. I like women who can find some obscure capital on a map in 3 seconds. So sexist and unreasonable! Sue me.

G4M35 · 2024-11-09T13:05:27+00:00

If no one asked you, shut up.

That's interesting. Does this apply to women too?

Because, you know, nobody asked you (for this post).

Just sayin.

meisterkraus · 2024-10-25T20:57:27+00:00

Ok then if you ask what a person preference is and they tell you don't ask why.

shadowstep12 · 2024-10-25T21:10:36+00:00

....at this point I can say this person is the canon seeker of this sub now I can say that right?

alwaysright0 · 2024-10-25T21:13:55+00:00

It's the hypocrisy really

Hot_Road3076 · 2024-10-25T23:21:08+00:00

I think men actually dislike the inverse of this when women talk about "finding themselves" when really, they're talking about getting spit roasted by 10 Chads in a foreign country. When men say "I want to find myself" it's genuinely a journey of self-exploration and it would be icky to include sex in that.

Velvet_95Hoop · 2024-10-25T21:38:56+00:00

I love all the comments here. Take your L and buy some catfood 😂

VojakOne · 2024-10-25T20:20:12+00:00

...Sounds like a-holes are just being a-holes?

Red_Guru9 · 2024-10-25T20:49:06+00:00

Funny how you point this towards men when the issue of tact is a much bigger problem among women. Can't say I disagree though.

Americans were never known for our refined etiquette and cultured taste, however around the time of reality television's debut it's become a clinical deficit in society.

AntiHypergamist · 2024-10-25T20:44:42+00:00

It's not black and white, men have valid preferences that make sense. Voicing those preferences helps to correct women's bad behaviour.

Men are just expected to have zero standards and women act surprised when men with options play the field or go for a better woman after getting to know her. In fact, men are always told to lower our standards while women are never told to do so.

Appropriate_Self_874 · 2024-10-25T20:31:57+00:00

100%. That is how I feel about both men and women.

Even though my brain is slow so I get angry when I see paragraphs, I am a superior being. Everybody else is lesser. They have to prove their worth to me before they can have an opinion. Until they prove their worth, there’s ~70% chance I will get mad at them.

Life would be a lot better if people were like dogs, only listening to me.

adiggittydogg · 2024-10-25T21:05:40+00:00

Oh well. Anyway...

danielbasin · 2024-10-25T21:54:38+00:00

Partly true.

But, there are plenty of men, who have perfectly normal dating approaches and still get rejected over minor defects in their methodology. Like for an example. Tom approaches a girl he likes in a bar. He is confident, maybe isnt as muscular as the other men and is soft spoken, meek guy. Hes not ugly but not a model either, perfectly average, maybe a little nerdy, hes 5'8 to 5'9. The girl still gives him a chance. He has a stable job, but, let's just say the women start to sober up a little, and notices that he a little nervous and starts to notice another man who is more muscular,taller,and has tattoos, he exudes intensity. Tom is DONE,finish, over... The girl dismisses him and goes for that guy..

You see, Tom wasnt being creepy. Nervous, yeah, perfectly normal as Tom isnt a psychopath who has fear deficits. A long time ago, just by Tom being cordial,respectful,polite,and just normal, he would've gotten the girl

You see how dating has changed substantially, especially with radical feminism and the advent of dating apps and pornography?

You see how women brains are wired to seek after men with more dominate characteristics especially if their brains are being hacked by porn,radical feminism, inflated standards,etc...?

Cunnin_Linguists · 2024-10-25T21:55:40+00:00

This is pretty ironic because I got a reddit temp ban for listing my preferences a few days ago, I appealed it and they reversed it of course but the fact that I got a reddit ban for it is crazy

AMDisappointment · 2024-10-25T22:09:27+00:00

The biggest issue is that guys will blurred out their preference when no one asked.

Nobody:

Men: I hate single moms!

Nobody:

Men: Younger women are better!

Nobody:

Men: I like (insert race)!

That nobody is an old black single mom complaining on social media

What should be said: I prefer not to date a woman with kids.

What is actually said: Stupid bitch that fucked a loser and wants other guys to raise their burden. In the animal kingdom, lions would kill cubs that arent theirs.

What should be said: Im not heavy set myself, and Im not into heavy set girls.

What is actually said: Fat bitches think theyre worth a damn just because Ch*d pumps and dumps them!

What should be said: I prefer youthful women.

What is actually said: Old women have less value and young women are at their peak SMV. Young women are far more fertile.

"What is actually said" are all facts. But feel free to call them out for being "hurtful". However even when it's said nicely it's still called out.

Lower-Director1043 · 2024-10-25T22:37:17+00:00

You are being neurotic.

Ludens0 · 2024-10-25T22:39:46+00:00

I hate single moms!

Said no man ever.

Cactaceaemomma · 2024-10-25T23:24:22+00:00

Those kinds of people will always exist. Men are crude.

Sharp_Engineering379 · 2024-10-26T02:35:51+00:00

Disqualifying imaginary others gives men the illusion of choice.

Sour grapes are a virulent, puss filled infection of red pilled men, the fellas love punching down. Makes them feel like strong, imposing “protectors” or whatever accolades they award themselves these days.

Title	Men arent hated for having preferences. Its when theyre being creepy assholes about it.
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