Man Bear Megathread

SomeSugondeseGuy · 2024-05-03T03:00:33+00:00

It's a stupid question on multiple fronts.

Bears do not attack people as often as men because bears do not exist in places where people are as often as men do. If you went into a subway and half of the people there were replaced by bears, bears would be more dangerous than men by an absolute landslide, and the women who say 'bear' would not say 'bear' in a million years.
The logic doesn't work when applied to any other statistic. Young boys are significantly more likely to be the victims of physical abuse, and the majority of physical abusers of young boys are their mothers. If a young boy is in the forest, is he safer if he sees a bear or his mother?
It trivializes every good man in existence. I have never done anything to hurt any woman, nor will I ever do so unless I need to do so in self defense. Demonizing bad men is one thing - demonizing all men for the actions of some men is an ecological fallacy at best. Making good men feel like shit for the actions of bad men helps NO ONE, all it does is make it more difficult to be a good man. Like yes, men are disproportionately depraved, let's make their mental health even worse.
Black bear, I'd rather see than any person. Black bears are skittish, easy. Brown bears and any other type of bear that you'd find in the west - you'd have to be stupid to pick the bear. The question itself relies on an incomplete knowledge of how both bears and men work, meaning the entire question is ridiculous in and of itself.

ObserverBlue · 2024-05-03T02:45:30+00:00

The fact that this hysteria is happening now, in a time in which Western women are the safest they have ever been, and the fact that the vast majority of people engaging in this hysteria prefer to live in human society among men, rather than in the wild among bears, is to me evidence enough that this is simply mental illness on a societal level. It's not a coincidence that we are seeing this after years of the misandrist panic that has inhabited the public discourse since the middle of the 2010s. I'm tempted to say that this is peak Western decadence.

Instead of creating a society in which people live in greater mutual understanding, free of sexism and cooperate to the full extent to improve society, the last 10 years of Western mainstream gender advocacy have created an almost unprecedented level of deterioration regarding the coexistence of men and women. Self-destruction in plain sight.

_name_of_the_user_ · 2024-05-03T09:07:33+00:00

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/cutting-edge-leadership/201811/the-5-steps-dehumanization

They're halfway through the list. And there's been more than a few calls for things like cerfews for men.

cracksparove · 2024-05-03T02:42:12+00:00

This is a good first date question.

The_Better_Paradox · 2024-05-03T03:42:32+00:00

Hey, I saw a comment, and I'm not sure how to respond.
Please help me give a counterargument.
It was,

I mean if you were given a box of 10 pieces of chocolate and told one of them is a piece of shit how cautious would you be

This was in reply to picking men over bear.
The poster of the comment assumed men will be more dangerous as there's a chance of them being predator.

Vegetable_Camera5042 · 2024-05-03T01:42:12+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/NahOPwasrightfuckthis/s/I78uEozbfe

"Tracks. It's not like bears are going around thinking about having sex with human women. Berries, trout, taking a nap for months at a time... but not a whole lot of human sex in there. Play dead with a bear and they'll lose interest. Play dead with a human man and you'd better hope he's not a necrophiliac."

So all men are potential necrophiliacs now.

Alone_Concentrate654 · 2024-05-03T21:35:16+00:00

This whole thing reminds me of children saying that they would rather die than go to school. It doesn't matter how stupid this really is, how much worse the alternatives are or what the statistics say. It's all feelings, vibes and emotions. There is no point in telling that how ridiculous that is, just say damn that's crazy and move along.

themolestedsliver · 2024-05-03T15:01:43+00:00

Glad we have a mega thread about this because the casual misandry on displace with this trend is just a whole new level of fucked up.

Also am I the only one who recalls the "trend" in which women ask men what animal they can take in a 1v1 fight?

The "joke" is that men over estimate their physical prowess and yet too many women naively think a fucking bear is safer for them then the average human.

Crazy how these same people are bothered by men taking less and less female apprentices given the possibility of a lie ruining their career.

CaptSnap · 2024-05-03T03:55:58+00:00

We know there is bias against men in crime statistics.

We still use them to bash men. (we used to use them to bash black men specifically....we still do, but we used to too)

We know crime as a whole increases amongst lower socioeconomic abled groups.

We still view men as whole (even homeless men), as being the privileged of society. (this is a pretty marvelous trick, especially with the war in Ukraine and the plight of the men vs the women there)

We know support through education or mentor opportunities or even temporary assistance like homeless shelters reduces crime.

We offer the bulk of (or cater heavily to) educational services and social safety net programs to women.

And then to top it off, we use the biased crime statistics, we use the false apex fallacy, and we use the lack of support to prove to ourselves that men are the enemy, worse than a wild animal. And the solution is not to help men. Never that. The solution is denigrate and deride, to justify more bigotry.

But even if all it did was just grind men down that would just be par for course. For me this is much more insidious. When you see all the women that prefer a bear, like how divorced from reality? How do you vote for someone who feels half of humanity is more dangerous to them than a wild animal? How do you take them seriously? How do you respect them? How do you find it worthwhile to help or support their causes if they think so little of you?

If President Biden said right now he would rather meet a bear in the woods than a man, would you vote for him? I sure as all hell wouldnt. Not in a million fucking years. He can represent the bears. I need a candidate that while he may not like people like me, isnt at least openly vocal about his prejudices towards me (and also has some semblance of a grip on fucking reality).

And I think thats by design. And its disgustingly alarming to me how quickly the left just gobbles it up. Nobody stops to check their mad dash to shit on men to think, "wait, is this a good thing Im doing? Is this going to help anyone? Or am I just gleefully burning my house down to get a chance to make one more swing at men?"

The_Better_Paradox · 2024-05-03T04:58:44+00:00

My take, which while replying to someone, I realised was the best reply -

The commentor :

Bro can’t fathom someone having a different opinion than himself no matter the trauma that person has went through. That’s the whole thing. Most women who are choosing bears is because they’ve been hurt by men time&time again. They’ve never felt the terror of being scared of a bear. But they have felt the fear of being abused by a man in their life. The fact you, and so many other people in these comments, can’t fathom that is mind boggling. This question isn’t black&white. I’m sure you’ve ’done that-‘ but I doubt you’re done WITH hating women hence your resistance of trying to understand why they’d choose a bear over you.

My reply :

No, I understand their points.
Doesn't make it less stupid.
I've gone through trauma which made me hate women at only 12 yo.
I grew out of it because I realised that wasn't the case for all of them.
If someone can't realise this, it's only right for people to make them realise rather than feeding to their bubble.

SandiegoJack · 2024-05-03T15:22:42+00:00

I am really bothered by this because I have been raised since I was 6 years old that people who see me as a threat can, and will attempt to harm me. Black men have been characterized as worse than animals, and treated as if we are just waiting for the opportunity to rape white women.

To see he exact same logic -black is extremely worrying since it does have significant potential consequences.

That’s not even considering the damage it does to young boys. Imagine hearing your mother say that she is more afraid of you than the monster you fear under your bed?

SpicyMarshmellow · 2024-05-03T15:31:59+00:00

One repeated argument I see defending the choice of bear is that the bear is more predictable.

I'm sure Timothy Treadwell thought the same thing. A guy who literally dedicated his life to bears, and became famous for socializing with wild bears. Eaten by a bear.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Treadwell

Cephalon_Gilgamesh · 2024-05-03T12:31:49+00:00

I pity those that harbor such a paranoia as to choose a fucking bear over a man.

Like being this afraid of men is maladaptive at best fucking pathologic at worst

flaumo · 2024-05-03T12:16:35+00:00

The reason I prefer meeting Humans to Bears in the woods

They don‘t eat you alive while you make phone calls to your mom begging for help.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026914/Mum-bear-eating--Final-phone-calls-woman-19-eaten-alive-brown-bear-cubs.html

PinkmanusRex · 2024-05-03T22:03:25+00:00

What's so hurtful is how I engage in good faith and that I understand why there needs to be caution. But what they don't seem to understand is that I'm trying to provide the perspective of how they unintentionally (or maybe intentionally) hurt others in the splash zone by acting self-righteous about things. Like hey, sis, I know that a certain subset of men are really terrible and since they can be hard to make out, ya gotta live with caution. That fucking sucks. But acting like men are terrible for getting peeved at being compared to a literal apex predator and ignoring how it disproportionately affects men who are vulnerable minorities is so fucked up. It's not fair.

galatians629 · 2024-05-03T13:21:37+00:00

Reposting my original 'I feel like people are missing the point' post as a comment here - sorry for putting it in the wrong place mods, and thank you for your work:

The point is to be mean. That's it. For a vocal group of smug and disgusting mean-girls to team up and apply the same practised bullying routine that served them again and again all through high school. It is the power trip, the rush of being able to prove themselves 'superior' (in their own minds) to literally half the planet by being horrible to us, and cheer each other on while suffering no reprimand. That's the true and only point of this whole thing.

It isn't to "highlight women's experiences". It isn't to "start a discussion". It isn't some logical argument that you can counter or win by bringing in race or whatever else. The nearest true analogue is probably something like 'I'd rather go into a corporate meeting room alone with a venomous snake than with a woman', but that's just eye for an eye and ultimately just lowers us to their level.

There is no winning, because there are simply more of them willing and able to group up as a tribe and wallow in their communal hate, and they have the privilege of protection within the same systems they are using to spread that hate. You will never be able to reach them, or humanise yourself to them when they have decided, as a group, to rejoice in the ugly, tribalist part of humankind that has been used since the dawn of our species to unperson someone different in order to justify attacking them.

Every time they get to see they hurt you is a moment to gloat, a moment of smug glee that you give to them like a gift. Proof that their latest weapon drew blood. The only sane response I can think of is absolute zero. I don't mean seething behind a mask. I mean actually embracing and internalising indifference at a core level. React the way you would to a station announcement for a train you aren't catching.

The (many, many) women worth your time and your love do not think this way. The women who do really think this way are either young and stupid and will look back on this and cringe, or they will cling to their hatred and reproduce at far lower rates than the ones who can form meaningful relationships and build families.

Their hate will die with them, and nothing of value will be lost.

The_UndeadAngel · 2024-05-03T15:37:20+00:00

I can already tell that one of their counterarguments will be the typical "we're not saying all men are bad" which i feel would immediately defeat their own argument, because if you don't believe all men are dangerous why would you willingly choose the bear?

eli_ashe · 2024-05-03T16:59:17+00:00

Removed Post Shared As Comment Here:

Since it's in the discourse atm, I think it worth discussing how folks ought respond to the 'man or bear' thing going round. in case anyone doesn't know, the question posed was 'would you rather be alone in the woods with a bear or a man?' some people choose bear and justify it with various misandrist hot takes on things.

for my part, I've been using it as an opportunity to point out how such displays people's;

irrational fears of men (choosing bears and dying is an obvious irrational choice being made based on irrational fears of men),
their puritanical lines of reasoning to justify it (oft they utilize concerns of protecting the sanctity of feminine sexual purity lest they be 'violated by a man' as their justifying reasoning),
utilizing it as a means of pointing out the historical connection of such kinds of irrational fears around feminine sexuality to things like

3.1) lynchings (emmitt till lynched for whistling at a lady that didn't want it; hardly an anomaly)

3.2) used to justify the genocide of various indigenous peoples (the 'brutes' were 'brutes' because of how 'they treated their women folk'),

3.3) wars (literally used as part of the justifications for the US wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and the current war in Palestine, in each case 'protecting women from the 'oppressive men' in that those cultures was used to justify them, especially in regards to sexual differences).

Oft enough the stats on sexual violence get brought up, see here for some relevant info on that topic.

What have y'all been finding and saying on this?

Update: This is the same rhetoric used by trump to describe mexicans. 'they aren't sending us their best, their sending us their rapists, murderers, thieves, bad hombres.'

it is also the same rhetoric used to denigrate black men historically in the US, as noted above.

All they've done is remove the racial component, but they're literally saying the exact same shite. Pointing that out to them may sway some lefties of the errors, and it may bring some righties who are currently raging against this to heel on their own misandrist bs.

Show them each the contradictions in their positions, which are currently hinging on misandrist hot takes.

Worth trying imho.

FightHateWithLove · 2024-05-08T11:47:46+00:00

I've seen pretty much every reaction from men get "You're proving the point!" which makes me wonder what actually is the point of this meme?

What are men as a group or as individuals supposed to do with this information? Apologize? Wear signs promising not to be so scary? Badger each other not to be so scary? Roll on our backs to expose our bellies to show submission whenever we encounter women?

It just seems like a giant, collective "Fuck you!" to men and that we're supposed to laugh/shrug it off and take the insult because "Men, amiright?"

WimpBeforeAnchorArms · 2024-05-03T03:03:55+00:00

A bear isn’t even that bad of an alternative. If we wanted the real answer we’d ask them to choose between a man or a spider

ApplePudding1972 · 2024-05-05T01:57:47+00:00

This brainrot has spread to Vaush's (a leftwing Youtube best known for being hated by Tankies and wokescolds) Youtube channel and subreddit and anyone who is trying to argue how choosing the bear is offensive is getting banned. Has been recommended on this sub before as a pro-male Youtuber more than once before, and though his TwoX-tier feminism has been clear for awhile this is the first time that I know of where he has really gone mask off. God this dogshit meme is annoying.

NeuroticKnight · 2024-05-04T09:30:27+00:00

If men are worse than animals, and there is nothing we can say to change anyone's opinion on it, there are only two paths, accept and hate ourselves, or accept and embrace it like what Andrew Tate does. This is why it is terrible, and not surpirsed young boys dont find feminism comforting.

eli_ashe · 2024-05-06T19:01:19+00:00

It's worth folks recognizing that the rhetoric being used by the 'I choose bear' crowd is the exact same kind of rhetoric used to justify lynchings, and fascistic theories historically, and has regularly been used to terrorize populations by focusing attention on men's supposed sexually violent behavior towards women. It is puritanical, meaning overly moralizing (they choose death over the remote possibility of being sexually violated, really over the mere fear of being sexually violated), and fascistic in form (centering the purity of feminine sexuality is typically a precursor to, and part of, fascistic tendencies, historically speaking at any rate).

There are multiple authors of note that have pointed this out in other contexts, specifically in context that relate more to such rhetoric that is racially motivated, as racism has been a big motivator for folks in the past. But it's always been misandrist. The only difference now is that racism has been removed, so the misandristic takes are laid bare, pun most def intended.

The book Invisible Man (not 'the invisible man' super hero), by ralph ellison and Walk On By: Black Men in Public Spaces by Brent Staples both cover the topic of being terrorized based on one's maleness, tho also due to their blackness. What is instructive tho is that sans the race element, everything they say remains tru of the current rhetoric.

Bell hooks (noted feminist) makes a strikingly similar point regarding how puritanical dispositions bout especially white feminine sexuality have been used historically to lynch black men on the pretense of 'sexual violence', many or most of which were false accusations according to hooks. To hooks, again, noted feminist, among the many problems there being that it destroys families, that men are important to women who love men and have families with them. Cause that is how life actually works, attack men, harm families, hence too, harm women and children. Note the devastation wrought on poor and minority communities specifically by targeting men.

There is nothing special bout white femininity tho, sans the race element, any woman can be so puritanical bout their sexuality and make any number of such false and gossipy accusations.

Another notable feminist, simone de beauvoir, held that in order to properly handle gendered problems women have to actually give up their common notions of femininity, including rather specifically concerns regarding over-protectiveness of their sexuality, which according to her stem from the bourgeoisie class; the status of the bourgeoisie class entailing a kind of privileged positioning of women that is predicated upon (to paraphrase her) the ‘wholesomeness of femininity that must be protected at all costs from the stranger.’

Bear or stranger folks? The literal problem beauvoir posed that ought be overcome.

For the bourgeoisie much has they build gated communities to keep out the vile under classes, they also build policing structures around feminine sexuality to justify said protections. 'it isn't all men, but I am really terrified that it is those men over there, build me a wall to keep the mexican rapists out, a gated community to keep the poor rapists out, and a gentrified world to keep the black rapists out'.

The BLM movement also noted and indeed centered itself in no small part on how this kind of rhetoric is used to over-police neighborhoods, dehumanize men of color, and destroy the lives of men and their families which again includes women and children, much as bell hooks pointed out. That is also targets and dehumanizes the poor ought be a no brainer for folks to grasp on to.

Finally, judith butler whose works note how gender is a performance that women play into, towards the determinant of themselves and others, but with an aim of that performance being a benefit to themselves. It isn't just women acting out roles predicated upon the benefits that accrues to their oppressors, if they have any, it is also women playing out their gendered roles to enact their own power for their own benefits.

A strongly related bit regards the rhetoric surrounding mexicans currents, e.g. 'they're not sending us their best, they're sending us their rapists, their murderers, their thieves.' This all refers to men of course, it is deeply misandristic in form.

I am pointing out these prominent feminist authors, and race/gender theorists here bc I feel it worthwhile for folks in this crowd to hear and hopefully recognize that the kind of online rhetoric y'all are witnessing isn't particularly indicative of feminist theory, nor race or gender theory more broadly, certainly not as it is taught, so much as it is reflective of the online feministas who are expressing a common fascistic tendency. The womb guarding, and zealot's protection of feminine sexuality.

The feminine component of the classic fascistic rhetoric.

Keep pushing against them, understand that their rhetoric harms communities everywhere, they are expressing fascistic norms even if they do not realize it. take 'em down.

Low_Rich_5436 · 2024-05-05T10:24:18+00:00

To me this trend only says one thing: people lie. They lie to fit their agenda. They lie to fit in. They lie so much thay they lie to themselves about believing their own lies.

Not a single person in the world would walk through a door with a random bear behind it.

That thing is a parable about false accusations.

nomino3390 · 2024-05-05T12:13:26+00:00

Talking about the details of this is playing into their bullshit. This is nothing more than an excuse to be sexist and say "men are dangerous."

If men started saying "would men rather open their wallets near thieves or women?," would it be a popular trend to discuss the details about that and justify it with statistics about how much of men's money go to women, etc? Or would it be condemned, banned, downvoted, not engaged, and barely exist in fringe circles?

People who are wrong or have terrible logical thinking skills usually resort to some kind of distraction. It's important to not even engage these distractions and say "it doesn't matter", and maybe why it doesn't.

BloomingBrains · 2024-05-03T05:31:00+00:00

Ask them "would you rather be in the woods with a bear or a black man?"

If they still choose bear, ask them if they really don't think that sounds racist. If they choose black man, ask them why. If they say its racist to assume black people as threats, ask them why choosing bear over black man is racist but choosing bear over white man isn't misandrist.

Cross55 · 2024-05-03T10:42:44+00:00

Ok, but what about threads on Manbearpig?

Dashing2026 · 2024-05-03T01:46:02+00:00

Folks why give such attention to such an idiotic phenomena? I personally wouldn't bother debating a person who doesn't display a hint of reason and competency.

frackingfaxer · 2024-05-03T12:53:14+00:00

In the great shitshow that has been this "debate," I found this to be a very reasonable take.

If this man's highly unscientific survey is any indication, maybe all these bear responses have more to do with the bandwagon effect and skewed samples underrepresenting some great silent majority. Let's see if a reputable polling organization can confirm or disprove that.

ChimpPimp20 · 2024-05-03T21:46:41+00:00

Here this:

If you were to ask an inmate “man or bear,” (men who most likely see death almost every day) who do you think they’d rather have as their cell mate?

Mind you, these are hardened men that your average Joe wouldn’t mess with. Your average Joe is typically going to be stronger than a woman. So if someone stronger than you is afraid of something, wouldn’t you also be more scared of that thing too?

nihilnothings000 · 2024-05-05T01:34:03+00:00

Elementary Teacher assaults 5th grader

Would you rather have your child be near a bear or a female elementary teacher /s

This post appeared a few moments before LIMC covered the Man vs Bear trend.

Eaglingonthemoor · 2024-05-06T05:52:55+00:00

https://youtu.be/Cs5MuZRyFRI

This is me, a woman, discussing this as fairly and compassionately as I can while still trying to come down against the idea that men are inherently dangerous. I'd be really interested to see what folks here think about my line of argument, if you have 8 minutes or so.

I am honestly hoping that it makes men feel a bit more supported, but the stats so far tell me that not many dudes are actually sticking around to hear me argue in their defense. I want to know how it reads to men who aren't just there to be mad at women.

ApplePudding1972 · 2024-05-03T22:33:40+00:00

Fucking finally. I hate how many posts and videos I'm getting for this dumb trend.

Pale_Bobcat2899 · 2024-05-05T02:08:54+00:00

It is. Difficult. And they've started labelling the ones who say - " not all men " as the real problem

Alpha0rgaxm · 2024-05-05T22:07:55+00:00

https://www.instagram.com/wealthyman_kenn/reel/C6KARoGvbt3/

This is the link I posted yesterday. A woman addressing this bs

SpicyMarshmellow · 2024-05-17T17:17:37+00:00

I doubt anyone's still looking at this thread, but I was stewing on this debate again today because I'm still seeing it absolutely everywhere. Like every comment section on anything that has anything remotely to do with gender is still full of choosing bear comments.

And it dawned on me today... this whole thing is the inverse of the Mike Pence rule. Remember that controversy? When he was Trump's running mate, it came out that he has a strict policy of never being alone with any woman that isn't his wife, for his own protection. And people lost their fucking minds. The cries of misogyny could probably be heard from Jupiter. Everyone was obsessed with proving his reasoning behind that choice was based on an irrational hatred of women. Women reacted exactly the same, if not worse, as men have reacted to the man v bear debate.

Appropriate-Use3466 · 2024-05-03T09:33:04+00:00

Choosing between Men and Bears reveals the bias in official statistics on violence victims

The game of having to choose between a man and a bear indicates that the statistics on how much men and women are victimized are unreliable and biased, because it means that in collecting them we already start with a baseline bias, and therefore there will definitely be more arrests against men than arrests against women. This in turn will affect the official statistics, which will then be completely rigged and biased. This thought experiment therefore does not prove that men are more dangerous than women, but if anything the opposite. In fact, the simple act of having to choose between a man and a bear in a game that becomes so popular reflects a broader reality: namely, that statistics and arrests that indicate more men involved in criminal activity could be skewed and influenced by biases such as precisely the one that gave rise to the man and bear game. This is because the system could be inherently biased toward men, leading to more arrests and thus skewed statistics. These distortions and biases do not necessarily indicate that men are more dangerous, but rather could highlight the systemic prejudices and biases against men present in the justice system and law enforcement.

Peptocoptr · 2024-05-15T06:20:55+00:00

If these assholes actually cares about women, they wouldn't be in favor of propaganda designed to keep them sacred, powerless, spiteful, and incapable of trusting, let alone forming decent relationships with almost half the human race.

Not counting the guys who are so into self-dehumanization that they goblle this propaganda right alongside them to pander to feminist delusions and praise themselves as the singular good guys. The ones who are so noble that they proudly claim:

"Men are so terrible. They're worse than wild animals. But NOT ME though. Look at how lovely and trust-worthy I am, ladies! Stay scared of all those other guys! As long as you keep me around..."

This is madness. They keep doubling down on the dehumanization and I'm so tired of these damn male feminist weasels who enable it.

foxsheepgato · 2024-05-03T04:30:18+00:00

does a bear pay taxes? you're welcome.

eli_ashe · 2024-05-06T22:50:15+00:00

Man who has difficulties grasping at cultural norms rants for an hour before tossing table in a rage quit, followed by banning everyone that disagrees with his rants.

Also known as Vaush rage quits again because he has a hard time understanding cultural norms of behavior.

JCKY27 · 2024-05-18T14:41:32+00:00

For 3-4 wonderful days, the internet had shifted from smearing all men to smearing a specific man that actually deserved it. It was refreshing. Then today I came across a meme of Harrison Butker's stupidity that ended with "Once again, this is why bears." Literally ONE GUY says something stupid, and we're all judged as lacking?

eli_ashe · 2024-05-21T00:09:21+00:00

Seattle Times posts misandry and spreads irrational fears of men.

remember folks, these people literally just hate you. there is nothing more to them than that. substitute any other category, woman, queer, black, asian, pacific isalnder, jewis, palestinian, european, etc.... with the kind of rhetoric they are spreading and it would be banned, and rightfully so.

Xemnas81 · 2024-05-04T02:31:24+00:00

Another angle to the standard empathy gap now. Don't @ me with hypergamy or laws of attraction stuff (I'm ex-redpill and have no use to go back to that headspace completely) but I'm trying to reconcile the results of this poll with the fact that pop culture broadly speaking these days accommodates both the 'male' *and* 'female' (straight and queer) gaze.

This generation is one of the most sexually and romantically conservative (in the sense that hookup culture's on the decline and marriage and commitment are popular again) but without a doubt Millennials and 8especially* Gen Z are less prudish than I was in the late 2000s/early 2010s (when I was in hs and uni). Perhaps I'm an extreme example but our media consumption and the stuff which shocks us is wildly different, just as most late 20th century counterculture looks tame and Boomer counterculture adorably vanilla to us now.

In particular, slut-shaming is practically non existent in 'the West' (which I'm fine with; I'm no tradcon) and women have largely 'reclaimed their sexual agency' in the sense that women are seen in the mainstream much more with sexual autonomy whether dating or not. They opt to sexualise themselves, they often are in the 'dominant' position, making the first move, generally more assertive, and (thankfully!) much more Out abut who they like when it's not actually men.

To the extent that all of that is 'feminist' I have no issues with it. It has come in with some 'maneater' type girlboss songs and celebrity posing, but in principle I just see it as antisexist.

This whole thing seems to spring from the sex negative wings, though. Have the sex positive ones said anything? The same people demanding men stop seeing women as sex objects have been making either tongue in cheek or unironic #Sapphic vibe' thirst posts

Phuxsea · 2024-05-03T01:36:35+00:00

I'm honestly not offended by women who prefer the bear because bears are amazing creatures.

WitnessOld6293 · 2024-05-03T17:17:50+00:00

this is the most important issue facing men

rockybhaisince1951 · 2024-05-03T01:51:15+00:00

the greater point is the fear women live with, and having to risk their lives because of men. instead of making this about men, this should be a learning moment to know about the kind of world women live in, which we will never understand as men, but the least we can do is empathize with their issues.

Just go out and see the kind of men women encounter everyday by simply existing. No one is saying you are worse then a bear. it's just that the fact that we have to ask questions and dig deeper into the issue when the answer should be obvious shows how much it sucks for a woman

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The reason I prefer meeting Humans to Bears in the woods

Reposting my original 'I feel like people are missing the point' post as a comment here - sorry for putting it in the wrong place mods, and thank you for your work: