Apparently, women were seen as the hornier sex for much of History

WilliamWyattD · 2022-09-26T15:38:10+00:00

I have always wondered about this. I imagine there is no simple answer. I also wonder how widespread the idea that women was hornier was historically. If you do anthropological research, do you find it in primitive tribes, etc? Perhaps the idea that women were hornier was the weird abnormality and we have returned to sanity.

There is also the question of the men. Women are the selective, hypergamous sex after all. Is it possible that women are more lustful if it is in the context of a certain class of young women allowed to fantasize and dream about sex with whichever man they want? But maybe if you force them to pair up monogamously with equally ranked men, as opposed to being able to all aim at the best men, then that libido crashes. Or maybe men in general were different--more physical, more masculine in some way, etc. Lots of interesting questions.

ruboyuri · 2022-09-26T17:26:04+00:00

Blaming the object of your desire for your desires is a good way to avoid punishment for acting on said desires

Today, pedophiles and rapists use the same rationale that the object wanted it and seduced their reluctant selves

kokorwqac · 2022-09-26T15:00:45+00:00

I assume they were creating narratives to justify control of women

Academic_Snow_7680 · 2022-09-26T18:13:55+00:00

Who knew birth-control was such a turn-off?

WOMEN!

We've been telling you guys this for decades yet there is still no pill for men. No research done to meet women in the middle.

And who knew bad sex could be such a turn off?
WOMEN!

Also not seeing men's bulging muscles anymore as men do physical labor is one of those lost opportunities you'll never know he missed. There's also very little dancing together nowadays, big mistake on behalf of guys that think they are too cool to learn Latin dances. That's where the single ladies are at, in beginners courses.

poppy_blu · 2022-09-26T18:24:22+00:00

The whole point of lystrata was that the women chose a sex strike to make the men stop warring because the women can live without sex, the men can’t.

And women never being satisfied with sex doesn’t mean women want sex more than men. It means men aren’t as good as satisfying women as they should be. The irony here is that your reasoning for thinking this is proof women want sex more — that they’re not satisfied — is based on ignorance of female sexuality. Quantity doesn’t satisfy us — that’s men. Quality satisfies us.

You didn’t pick great examples.

What’s so unpalatable about admitting men want sex more than women?

darkvalleys · 2022-09-26T15:02:15+00:00

Can you say “projection”, “devaluation” and “repression”, boys and girls ?

risdeveau · 2022-09-26T16:04:20+00:00

Yes, when you don’t want to blame your dick, blame the woman for exciting it. That ten year old neighbor tempted me and ruined my holy virtuous male saintliness!

Carolinaathiest · 2022-09-26T19:20:35+00:00

This just idiotic male projection, and I say this as a guy.

Look at gay male sexual behavior vs. lesbian behavior. Gay guys out having sex all over the place while lesbians form relationships really quickly. And lesbian long term sexual relationships are usually dead bedrooms.

John_Oakman · 2022-09-26T14:08:24+00:00

Projection by males and the obsessive need for control by the patriarchy.

ThorLives · 2022-09-26T17:21:10+00:00

This is so obviously not true.

We should think about the reasons that people would claim this is true, though.

First, it could be an attempt to paint women as emotional and sinful, and therefore, women should be controlled.

It could be an attempt to blame all sexual misconduct as "women's fault". "It wasn't me who was horny! This woman seduced me! I didn't do anything wrong except for being talked into it by this woman!" - says Harvey Weinstein.

It could also be a result of the fact that medieval cities had a dispositionate number of women and not enough men (who were typically working in the fields). Women's work could typically be done in a city. I've seen statistics that there were often 30% more women than men in medieval cities. That results in a LOT of competition. Because of the lack of available men, maybe women used the promise of sex as a way to steal or lock-down a man. Whether a those women actually were horny, or whether they were using sex as a lure - because they know it's an effective bait for men - is the question. I'm betting on the latter.

Studies of masterbation show that men masturbate more often than women. Example: "When asked about masturbation frequency in the past year, approximately half of male participants reported masturbation at least twice weekly (49.1%). Among females, 45.5% reported masturbation a few times per year, while only 22.5% reported masturbation frequencies of at least 2 times a week." https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/1107656

Studies of nuns, priests, and monks show that men are less effective at maintaining that vows of chastity than women are.

Also, are we really supposed to believe that women were trying to sleep around in an age when birth control was not available?

Women are more likely at report being asexual than men are. I've even seen comments on PPD where women said they would be perfectly happy having a boyfriend but never having sex for the rest of her life.

Also Casanova only had 130 sexual partners in his life. If women were so horny and if he was such a great seducer, why wasn't it higher? Heck, I have gay friends who have had more sexual partners than that, and they were fairly young when they said it - around 30 years old.

I recommend reading that "Sex as a female resource" paper that came out a few years ago. Google "sex as a female resource". (It's a PDF and I'm having trouble getting the link to work. Otherwise I'd post the link.)

HazyMemory7 · 2022-09-26T15:05:04+00:00

History is one thing. Irrefutable science is another.

pinktuliplover · 2022-09-26T15:32:53+00:00

I think this joke has more to do with the fact that women were seen as unstable, pretty little fairies who are only lead by emotion lol.

But if you want to take things literally, now that women have more sexual freedom in society, there is less of a need for a woman to be crazy horny. In theory, she can have sex whenever she wants now. Whereas in the past, her sexuality was extremely repressed so she probably had stronger urges.

howdoiw0rkthisthing · 2022-09-26T16:51:47+00:00

My gut reaction is to be very skeptical of the idea that this was/is actually true. It still seems plausible to me that this is some kind of patriarchal project or misdirection, given that the end result seems to be the same whether women are chaste and innocent and need to be protected from men or whether they’re insatiable succubi: sexual access and expression are controlled.

But I also want to keep an open mind, considering scientific consensus is always changing, and knowing how our physical environment, social climate, cultural practices and beliefs, and even language can dramatically shape how we perceive the world.

januaryphilosopher · 2022-09-26T20:45:03+00:00

Most of the time, the relationship between women and sex is simply what that culture deems to be worse. If it's bad to be a prude, women are prudish. If it's bad to be a slut, women are slutty. If it's bad to be both, women are both.

poppy_blu · 2022-09-26T15:32:02+00:00

Yes, historically female sexuality has been demonised and suppressed. There is a whole problem in Africa where women are having their clits removed so they cannot enjoy sex at all.

Women have internalised this en masse and it is still effecting women's sex lives to say.

However I think the claim that it is, or ever has been, stronger than men's - is a bit of a stretch.

I think when women have a healthy attitude towards their body and sex, they become very horny individuals. It's not quite as intense as men's libidos, but it's not far off.

Additionally, women generally cum more than men and (IMO) more intensely. They want fewer sex sessions than men, but they want those sex sessions to be more Intense and last longer.

JumboJetz · 2022-09-26T18:44:18+00:00

Women back then had to behave in a way their husband likes so they don’t risk being throw into poverty. It still happens in places where women are reliant on their husbands/boyfriends for survival and grew up in poverty. But when women are able to support themselves and supplement their own wants and needs, they can behave in a way that’s more in tune with their actual desire.

BaiKingu · 2022-09-26T23:43:39+00:00

Hi, I’m a transsexual on hormones.

They’re not, men are. Because testosterone, and it’s not even close.

NockerJoe · 2022-09-26T14:40:34+00:00

I think a big thing I've noticed is a lot of women are either weirdly afraid of their own sexuality or else just in denial. It 100% doesn't help that reddit attracts neurotic introverts prone to overthinking that also extrapolate their experiences to everybody.

Yeah, there are plenty of cases of female lust through history. Women used to buy sex from gladiators regardless of the social risk involved as my favorite example. Anyone who claims women in the year X behaved exactly like american women in 2022 needs to get their head checked out.

I think a lot of people fail to understand what extreme social conditioning, normalizing libido killing medications most women are on(birth control, antidepressants, ect.) for some period of their lives, ans a really divisive social narrative have done. Hell as much as women here bitch about MGTOW's not actually going their own way all the supposedly happy if single women still come here to bitch about men and the dybamic clearly isn't working ideally for them either.

Historical-System972 · 2022-09-26T18:18:24+00:00

Yeah, and the Victorians had it right. This notion that women were the hornier sex was really just male wish-fulfillment fantasy - yes, often times female lust was framed in a negative light, but subconsciously every man desires a woman who is as interested in sex as they are.

There's literal no factual evidence to back up this idea, quite the opposite in fact. Women are frigid creatures and they've taken every opportunity throughout history to prove it.

kokorwqac · 2022-09-26T14:31:31+00:00

So, since (according to you) women have been horny throughout history and now there’s a decline, maybe it’s not “modern women” who are the problem but “modern men” who caused the shift hmmm.

2022-09-26T17:01:45+00:00

Why is it important to figure out which gender is hornier like what can we do with that information and how does it explain our behaviors?

RootingRound · 2022-09-26T19:06:19+00:00

I've yet to see a study that finds women have a stronger sex drive than men, but if you have any research literature in the list that I missed, I'd be happy to see it.

Seems like the book was just some journalist writing, rather than a study.

billieshakes11 · 2022-09-26T19:39:35+00:00

Women were perceived as the hornier sex probably because patriarchy made them lower status by virtue of being women, which in turn made them perceive men to be of higher status, which makes them more likely to be sexually attracted to more men around them. Or the man they are the with.

Women being sexually attracted to men of higher status is an ironclad principle of female sexual behavior, and while I don't encourage the implementation of patriarchy as a means to employ it, I don't doubt it ends in the same result.

One of my radical theories is that the era of sexless marriages likely took off fastest right after the women's lib movement in the sixties. I don't have any data to back this up but I'd bet there's some sort of correlation.

I also think that higher-status women TRULY desire/enjoy sex less. I truly think that status for women is like sex for men--they are almost slavishly beholden to it, and it steers every direction of their life, almost against their will. But that's another discussion.

jayval90 · 2022-09-26T20:49:21+00:00

I actually think this is hilariously accurate. You can even infer some kind of reversal from the Holy Scriptures, where the disciples reacted to Jesus' forbidding of divorce as a negative for men, which completely boggles any Western society member familiar with the nature of modern divorce (women file for 80% of them).

I don't think women are actually hornier than men, just that it's roughly equal biologically, but highly susceptible to cultural pressures. If you tell men that they are hornier than women, they will act it out to large degree. So trying to measure it in modern times isn't going to necessarily tell you what is cultural and what is biological.

Harz362526 · 2022-09-26T14:08:22+00:00

Those were jokes. There's a big difference between humor and reality.
Unless women had totally different cycles a few hundred years ago, they still even vaguely have a sex drive a few days of the month even vaguely equaling a male's.
What women consider a sex drive is transactional. Even in your own examples women utilize sex as rewards or punishments, not out of any sense of love or desire or any of that nonsense.
Even if it is that nonsense, its for psychological and bonding (for him) to extract maximum capital from their target.

Women being "sexless" is a religious idea from retarded religious people. Women do get horny, but not anything like a male, and not for the same reason. Not a whole lot of men transact sex to reward women or get money, yet all women do.

Don't confuse women having a lot of sexual options with actually having a similar sex drive as a man. They utilize sex for money, something men don't do, and since men actually want sex, and women actively avoid having sex as much as possible as their evolutionary drive, they aren't even vaguely the same.

AoiLune · 2022-09-26T17:09:55+00:00

Most men would honestly just be happy with a wife rather than to be sleeping around with dozens of women. Modernity is to blame for the debasement of both men and women.

JumboJetz · 2022-09-27T01:14:43+00:00

There’s some evidence the male dick is literally shaped the way it is to scoop the cum out of the other guy the woman just finished having sex with. So hell yeah women were meant to naturally want way more sex with way more partners than modern society allows them to.

Bruhmuh · 2022-09-26T17:04:37+00:00

Ancient Greek men were Chads. Gym and philosophy all day. Ofc women were simping back then.

To a lesser extent Renaissance men were Chads too, though perhaps more brutish, which most women probably did not mind.

carritotaquito · 2022-09-26T21:45:12+00:00

Yes.

The bullshit we hear today that women don't have sexual drives is a relatively recent social construct.

See? This is why taking world history AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL is so important.

Philosoferking · 2022-09-26T22:09:36+00:00

Give a woman good dick and she will fuck you 5 times a day every damn day.

2022-09-26T15:49:15+00:00

They still are.

Laytheblameonluck · 2022-09-27T04:34:36+00:00

Historically, female horniness was understood to just be women wanting children.

It was impossible to believe that women had "male horniness ", except when used insultingly toward a woman, making her appear as a freak, or not a woman.

Similarly, heterosexual marriages were considered an absurd idea.

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Quantum_Supremacist · 2022-09-26T15:34:47+00:00

There is also this evidence from the 17th century:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U4DyQTSsUU4&t=00m32s

Extremiditty · 2022-09-27T00:23:52+00:00

So this is specific to me, but I have been hornier than every single man I have dated. And when I talk to my friends a lot of them are extremely horny too but are either having bad sex and so would rather get off alone, or feel it’s unfeminine to initiate so they only have sex when their partner initiates. I do think women often have just as high a sex drive as men, but because we’ve been told for years that women don’t enjoy sex that we make it seem like there is a way bigger difference in sex drives than there is.

Laytheblameonluck · 2022-09-27T01:43:14+00:00

But in the case of Messalina, for example, stories of her libido were exaggerated so to detract from her and try to reduce her political influence. There's no concrete evidence she had such an interest in sex.

So it goes back further than that.

mandoa_sky · 2022-09-27T01:51:45+00:00

think about the author - they're written mostly by men, right?
how do you know for sure the author isn't projecting?

i think it's a mostly grey area, but a biologist will always point out that high testosterone = hornier.

hari_hbp · 2022-09-27T02:57:20+00:00

Yep. Stronger and longer orgasms, more pleasure points, wanting to be the centre of attention - I believe there's a pornstar in every woman or atleast they are capable of it.

With the right guy (or guys), it's possible to bring the animal inside her.

Laurely4u · 2022-09-27T05:23:31+00:00

Having sex to stop some one from going to war would make these women the manipulative sex

dbz19_kai · 2022-09-27T09:26:57+00:00

I wonder if it’s because society had more traditional values and there wasn’t birth control to mess with hormones

I think it’s no secret that more conservative countries have higher birth rates and fertility rates

Also if you think about it, if married couples only have ever had sex with each other it makes sense they’d have a more vibrant sex life because they have no last partners to compare it to and lust after

icefire54 · 2022-09-30T21:57:42+00:00

I suspect this is based on the fact that women say they are never satisfied with sex and belittling men for not satisfying them as women do today as well. For example, today when women complain about the "orgasm gap". These are probably tongue and cheek comments and not meant to be taken super seriously.

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