I’m starting to worry that the discourse is pulling me to the Right.

Eaglingonthemoor · 2024-06-10T01:39:46+00:00

I don't make content that is exclusively about gender politics, but I've made vids about man v bear and woman v tree, am currently working on a bigger project about the fear of men, and I am trying to walk the line you describe.

There's a huge gap in the market for content that is pro-men without being anti-woman. Something I've noticed on the videos I've made is that lot of where my traffic comes from is videos with titles like "why women are the inferior sex" or insane nasty shit like that. I am hoping that being a woman who is advocating for men without throwing women under the bus to do so might pull some folks away from going down that road.

It is honestly a battle in my own mind not to go down that road. It is really hard work emotionally to stop my natural propensity to turn things into us vs them. I really admire you for also doing that work.

Unusual_Implement_87 · 2024-06-09T23:03:12+00:00

Another thing that is a problem is that if you as a progressive/leftist disagree with any little thing you will be ostracized and called a fascist. When the left pushes men away like this obviously they would be more likely to congregate with people who accept them.

The rise of men moving to the right is a direct consequence of the actions of the left. The left needs to do a better job being more inclusive and open to good faith criticism.

dr_pepper02 · 2024-06-10T20:27:14+00:00

What men on the left need to start doing is pushing back against feminist dogma when we collectively stay quiet, we let them craft and control the narrative.

We need to stay on the left and push in the case of the US the democrats to acknowledge men’s issues too.

AH vs Depp is perfect example of how feminists will try to hijack a narrative and even when caught they still defend the bad behavior.

Too often men enable this behavior for reasons we all know. When men aren’t afraid to hold women accountable is when and stop defending their bad behavior then we’ll see change.

lokithejackal · 2024-06-10T00:05:29+00:00

Watch everything. Don't be worried about what someone labels you. I watch stuff I agree with and stuff I disagree with. Both are useful for helping me understand the world. In fact, I tend to try and watch more stuff I disagree with. Helps me hone my actual beliefs.

Smurphftw · 2024-06-09T23:07:58+00:00

It is incredibly annoying that YouTube will reccomend a lot of right wing garbage, if you like any video that shows even the slightest sympathy toward men and men's issues.

SolipsisticLunatic · 2024-06-09T22:58:53+00:00

We need to be the ones here, who can talk with empathy. There are a lot of voices out there and some of them are louder than others. Some get pulled out more by the people watching it and some get fed to you by the algorithm. But we can be our own content creators and just realize that we can create a space here, where real people can talk.

I'm so quickly recognizing lately that there's only 'one slot' for how we think people are. By that I mean - you brain only has one concept of a person. They call it 'theory of mind'. And it plays out in our politics. The ones who get all up in arms are the ones who think that everyone else is all up in arms. If we think of ourselves as being calm and gentler, and as being the ones who are able to speak on even terms, then we'll start noticing more of those people and then we can be the ones speaking on even terms with them.

¯\(ツ)/¯ That's where I'm at.

edit: here are some spare arms if anyone else drops one: \\\\

Updawg145 · 2024-06-10T01:11:15+00:00

Left and right wing trains of thought aren't mutually exclusive. You can be socially right wing but economically left wing. You can even go full nazbol if you really wanted. The right vs left mutually exclusive paradigm where the left are beacons of goodness and morality and rightoids are evil villains is strictly a concoction of modern radical liberalism, which isn't even true leftism anyway. The reality is there are plenty of people out there with right-leaning views who still are left wing in many other ways. I'm not saying you should necessarily go down some right wing rabbit hole and start sieging some heil but, also don't buy into the left-lib's performative bullshit either.

MannerNo7000 · 2024-06-10T00:29:22+00:00

The discourse has already moved me to the right socially/culturally.

But economically I’m still very left wing.

But I do feel politically homeless.

SpicyMarshmellow · 2024-06-10T02:26:15+00:00

I've got an opinion that's kind of rare these days, it seems.

I don't think you should worry quite so much about what you're exposed to. I think everyone should expose themselves to a wide variety of ideas. In fact, I don't think a person can claim to truly carry a belief system with conviction unless they have a well developed understanding of the opposition to that belief system.

There's nothing wrong with watching Hoe Math or whoever else like them to understand the arguments they're making. There's this weird problem people seem to have these days where they think understanding someone's positions and arguments and recognizing where they have nuggets of validity means agreeing with them wholesale.

There is some fucking awful 'manosphere' media out there, like Fresh & Fit, but I don't even think Hoe Math is really that bad. I think he makes some valid criticisms of modern culture and offers somewhat reasonable deconstruction as to why things currently work the way they do. The danger is in thinking he's completely right about everything or that the ways he describes people perfectly describe everyone. Like it's obviously objectively true that a lot of women exist who operate according to the thought processes and cultural forces he describes. But there's also a lot of women who don't. Just don't swallow his bullshit whole and make it the only lens you perceive the world through, and you'll be fine.

Staying grounded is completely on you and how you relate to the information you're exposed to.

Don't echo chamber yourself. Expose yourself to a variety of perspectives.
Don't just accept anything anybody says as true. Cross-reference the statements supporting or justifying an argument or world view against your own objective observation of reality and a variety of sources.
Don't just *absorb* media passively, and be molded by it. Observe it critically as a source of input, not a source of truth.
Don't be absolutist. Things can be partially true. People can start from valid truths and arrive at bad conclusions. People can start from falsehoods and arrive at good conclusions. People can propose the right things for the wrong reasons, or vice versa. This is in fact how 99% of everything you'll ever be exposed to is.

Most importantly, put some real serious meditation into developing a clear understanding of what your values are. I think most people have lost sight of this these days, which is why the culture war has become such a shitshow of almost all terrible people bickering stupidly.

If you know what your values are, then you only need to keep a firm awareness of two things. How much of what I'm being exposed to is based on things I agree to be true? Does it encourage attitudes or courses of action with consequences counter to my values? If you give the thing a bad rating on both counts, it's *still* ok to be exposed to it, because even if people are wrong, it's useful to have a well developed understanding of the cultural movements taking place around you. If you have a solid foundation of values and critically relate stuff to that, you can educate yourself on how/why people in the world around you are becoming increasingly fucked up without compromising your own integrity, and if everybody did that, things wouldn't be as bad as they are.

Argentarius1 · 2024-06-09T23:38:21+00:00

If you can talk about beauty, competence, masculinity, wealth, children, and family life in a left wing way that feeling will get weaker. The right seems appealing because they're willing to unironically talk about these things and value men. You have no choice but to talk about those things more effectively than they do and in a left wing way if you want to prevent men's issues from empowering them.

Mysterious-Zone-334 · 2024-06-10T00:37:15+00:00

Me too, honestly while I am left leaning, my thoughts on feminism became overtly conservative, and I just had to stop watching red pill content, it was making me depressed af

Langland88 · 2024-06-10T10:42:06+00:00

I have similar YouTube feeds on my Algorithm and it doesn't bother me that much. I used to get a lot of MGTOW content but I slowly phased that out of asked to stop recommending that.

Overall I understand the concern but in a lot of ways, that's why I come here. Although I admit I have a lot of differing opinions on things but I still find common ground here. Also I consider myself left of center as well. This is one of the places where I feel my political views are somewhat tolerated. It doesn't mean they agree with me on everything but they at least respect my opinion.

So I say don't let it bother you. If you're self aware enough that you feel you're being pushed to the right, then maybe that's a good thing. There are a lot of people in left wing politics who carry conservative political views and that's not a bad thing.

Skaared · 2024-06-13T22:08:43+00:00

Just by posting on this sub you’ve made yourself an apostate to the progressive left. You had might as well lean into it and explore other ideas and creators the left considers persona non grata. There are lots of left-aligned creators that have been deemed secret nazis because they don’t fully align with the party line.

househubbyintraining · 2024-06-09T23:07:05+00:00

To me this is just you internalizing the "right-wing pipeline" hysteria that the left propagates. Honestly, I've seen enough of the "right-wing" half of youtube, and like... they aren't really bad? They're just stupid and have no understanding of what sociologist or leftist are saying. Really, they are bad at critical thinking more than anything, so if your afraid of "right-wing" content because they will deteriorate your IQ, then your fears seem valid.

I have no content creators to offer that fit what you want, because I stopped watching youtube beyond youtube lectures and some history channels, online politics is literally a waste of time and if a civil war ever happens in america, I will blame the online left for being uninhabitable for anyone not indoctrinated into the Socio-Feminist Cult and I will blame the online right for being psychologically underdeveloped and not getting their cluster b diagnosis checked.

helloiseeyou2020 · 2024-06-10T00:02:53+00:00

You have to step all the way back to see the big picture. Right wing policies:

Maintain a difficult for-profit healthcare system, which is to the detriment of the men increasingly making up the lowest rungs of society
Fight to reduce the social safety net, which can help at least some homeless men find beds and food for a day, often the dofference between life and death. Also, when social support is cut men are likely taking the brunt because reducing benefits for women would be politically unpopular for either party
Fuel the military industrial complex, which sends tax dollars from the pockets of working class men to defence contractors and their bought-and-paid politival representatives who pick wars to fight with these fancy new toys (and in the process send many young western men to their deaths)
Fuel the prison industrial complex, which can generously be described as modern slavery and less generpusly be called a meat grinder
Fuel unjust and unequally applied laws and criminalization that send men to jail who really need social supports, rehab, or therapy but #4 takes precedence
Fight against climate change action. We have seen enough of the world's reaponses to dosasters and war to know the obvious. The people left to die as climate casualties will primarily be men. As many women and children as possible will be taken in as refugees.

I could go on and on.

Leftie rhetoric is hostile toward addressing men's issues. But rightwing policies are hostile toward men in general.

EyeAskQuestions · 2024-06-10T16:38:32+00:00

The all or nothing approach that some people have leads to them outright ignoring any grievances men have, doubly so if you're a minority man.

The right in the West is obviously regressive, backward, and violently against any real progress but they're also willing to court the ostracized and sell them red pills/magic beans.

That kind of approach will get the low hanging fruit.

The base idea that men are violent rapists tends to lead to any kind of stance they have being interpreted as chauvinism or an endorsement of violence against women or lgbtq. It doesn't allow for any sincere discussion and when you have a whole generation brought up on "Men Bad. Full stop." You can see the issue.

ChimpPimp20 · 2024-06-10T20:54:57+00:00

I understand what you mean. The problem is that the left only talks about the type of men's issues that THEY want to talk about. As a result, the only other issues that are mentioned are by the manosphere and it's typically in bad faith. This leads the convo to become more toxic and is the reason why lefties will call your takes conservative. They left the alt right to take the wheel on that one and yet still pretend to be all for "equality" and that they do "talk about these issues." This phenomenon proves that they do the bare minimum.

Just recently, I was on menslib and mentioned how the left ONLY wants to talk about toxic masculinity and emotions. and needs to educate themselves on more topics outside of that. Some lady decided to patronize me with "you just don't understand the conversation then." I was pissed and responded back but I knew if I persisted even further then it'd get removed. It got removed anyway.

Sure-Vermicelli4369 · 2024-06-10T01:05:34+00:00

Always use an incognito browser when viewing gender relations content on YouTube or it'll take over your feed

PrettyText · 2024-06-10T18:37:31+00:00

Look, right-wing content doesn't magically hypnotize or magically brainwash people.

If the rights makes certain points that you think are valid, then you can adopt those points (without necessarily becoming outright right-wing).

If the right doesn't make points that you think are valid, you're not going to magically become brainwashed.

blah938 · 2024-06-09T23:36:51+00:00

Well, the problem is that every large group of humans are going to have idiots and assholes. This include the left wing.

nothingandnemo · 2024-06-10T05:22:28+00:00

It gets in your head doesn't it? I like The Dadvocate but when I watch her, there's a little voice going "She's being nice to men, is she trying to turn you fash?". Like it's been so long since most left wing voices did anything but criticise that my brain view compassion for men as right-coded.

Notsonewguy7 · 2024-06-14T03:47:07+00:00

One of the failures of left-wing politics is their tendency to oversimplify complex ethnic or cultural conflicts by viewing them through an oppressor-oppressed lens.

They often assume their allies are always good actors, which hampers nuanced political discussions, especially in geopolitics. This approach can make it difficult to have in-depth conversations about important issues.

doesitevermatter- · 2024-06-09T23:12:43+00:00

Just make a new YouTube account. Those algorithms are designed to be manipulative and dangerous. And by continuing to use their algorithmically enhanced version of their app, you're falling right into that trap. They want you angry, they want you yelling at people in the comments.

If social media is the main thing pulling you to the right, you might want to consider why that is and whether or not it actually has anything to do with your values. Because it likely has a lot more to do with what's being shoved in your face and less to do with what you actually believe.

You're just angry and frustrated. But there is no part of the western right-wing that is helpful to our cause. They just want to shove us straight back into the same gender roles we've been playing for the entirety of our existence. They want you working for bare minimum money and killing people for profit. They just know how to talk to frustrated and disenfranchised men to drag them along. It's why you see more men moving to the right than women right now.

This is exactly how they want to get you. The right is nothing but a bastion for angry men and entitled women. Don't give them the satisfaction of falling into their trap.

If society refuses to look out for us, we'll look out for each other. But the fascists aren't there to help you. They don't want you to be free. They want you to play the role that makes them money and gets them power.

Also, switching sides over one issue is kind of silly. The world is bigger than our problems. We don't need to go with the team that will actively sacrifice the rights of millions of Americans to protect our own rights. That makes us fascists.

a6e · 2024-06-10T07:42:51+00:00

Just… don’t get indoctrinated?

I have watched some HoeMath videos in my time. Hell, I’ve watched Fresh and Fit, Andrew Tate, and Nick Fuentes. Still a socially liberal left-leaning person like I was before.

If you don’t watch things you might disagree with, how are you going to be effective in analyzing the structure of your beliefs, and learning how to shore up their weak points and form counterarguments?

If you’re afraid that your beliefs are founded on a rickety structure, it’s probably even more important that you figure out what arguments the opposition has. Then you can actually figure out why you believe what you believe.

Honestly, I’d rather have you take the risk. Maybe you’ll come out the other side as a Tate simp, but there’s an equal chance that you will emerge a warrior who can shut that shit down because you understand where it comes from and why it’s flawed.

JACCO2008 · 2024-06-09T23:43:58+00:00

Why do you give yourself so little credit that you think YouTube can change your politics? Even so, is the "right" not where you find yourself now because the "left" has been so cruel to you?

Give yourself credit that you are smart enough to take what you find valuable from the "right" channels while maintaining your core beliefs and facets of the "left". The only way you will become a mysogynist is if you allow feminists to define the language around what you are seeing without critical thought.

HanGoza · 2024-06-09T23:47:55+00:00

HealthyGamerGG has a ton of free, helpful content on mental health and overall well-being. He is a licensed psychologist and an addiction therapist who has a plethora of videos that focus on men's issues. He does dip into some spiritual stuff but always includes the biological evidence if that's all you want.

The channel Innuendo Studios has a great playlist called the "Alt-Right Playbook" that highlights tactics for radicalization and offers counter logic.

Alternatively, you could delete your YouTube history to reset your algorithm. I dunno man, I found myself to be much angrier the deeper I fell down that hole. Social media is designed to hold your attention, and anger is a surefire way to keep you consuming. Thus, the content is going to highlight the extremes. It's also helpful to engage with people IRL who hold different viewpoints than you. Ideally, both of you are forced to acknowledge the human being in front of you rather than being nasty through a screen.

Good luck and feel free to message me if you need someone to talk to

HantuBuster · 2024-06-10T02:08:23+00:00

Here are some left-wing youtubers I watch that are pro-men but don't spout extreme right-wing bullshit:

Emilywking
Destiny (the debate bro)
Vaush
NotSoErudite (a debate bro woman who's pro-men that usually does her research on men's issues)
Roma Army (but can be a little radical)
Shark3ozero
The Prim Reaper
Shoeonhead

WeEatBabies · 2024-06-10T01:58:06+00:00

Don't, stay true left, power to the workers!!!

Busterthefatman · 2024-06-10T17:06:00+00:00

I honestly try to stay away from gendered video content on anything more than a weekly basis. The topic is just totally toxic from both sides.

That being said when I do get content on male issues its from Vaush.

Please dont take the advice of people in this thread saying consuming significant amounts of right wing content wont affect you unless youre dumb or weak willed. 100% the content you consume affects your outlook, its why companies spend billions on it.

There's nothing wrong with hearing out the other side but if you find your for you page being significantly right wing that isnt good for your mental health.

Mefic_vest · 2024-06-10T16:19:54+00:00

In the absence of a good role model that advocates for them, young men will gladly reach for a bad role model.

It’s why men flock to men like Peterson and Taint - there just aren’t any other alternatives who are in their corner.

YetAgain67 · 2024-06-11T11:34:35+00:00

Can't help but feel a lotta rightys are in this sub and this thread.

"Watch everything! Expose yourself to different believes!"

Yea, sure. To a degree. But you don't need a steady diet of right wing content to "better understand" them. It doesn't take much time to get the point.

The right is outwardly detrimental in every single way for men.

I personally think the only way for positive change to be made for men is through a left wing perspective. Because men's rights is an inherently left wing concept.

Peptocoptr · 2024-06-11T20:06:03+00:00

I don't want to become a mysoginist either, and that hasn't happened because I know that women are female human beings and that therefore I would do the same things that they do if I were in thier shoes. They have morals, and are not soleley driven by biological instincts the way the red pill thinks they are. I still think those instincts need to be adressed in a compassionate and comprehensive way, but I digress.

I listen to Hoe_Math because he's never been dishonest or illogical so far. Not because he seems to be right wing. He helps paint a clearer picture of the situation we're in and where we're going for more people to see.

And quite frankly, I don't care if I get pulled further right as long as I get pulled further towards the truth. I don't have a tribalistic sense of belonging to the left wing as a group. I just support most of its ideals.

Abyssurd · 2024-06-13T15:55:13+00:00

Just actively THINK about what you want to believe. Fuck algorithms, it's convenient for capitalism to have people neatly organized in groups. It's profitable. We don't have to do that. We are individual people with all kinds of varied ways of thinking. My girlfriend and I are politically and economically left wing, but we have some views that can be seen as "right wing" or "conservative" (for example NOT being feminists).

yuendeming1994 · 2024-06-14T20:19:06+00:00

Idk, but i follow or view the feminist content (not the feminist described by anti feminist movement of course)

Still, more i watched the feminist content, the more i am pushed away from feminism.

Few_Sink_7386 · 2024-06-19T04:05:49+00:00

I don't think watching "right wing" people is necessarily a bad thing. I believe they have a lot of right things to say. Alexander grace is someone who would be considered right wing but when I used to be a teenager, his videos helped me a lot to understand Women and come out of my truecel phase. One important thing to understand: You should respect every individual woman (just like men) , but you shouldn't be afraid to understand women in a generalized sense and sometimes poke fun at them.

shongage · 2024-06-10T09:52:34+00:00

Shoe0nhead is a pro-men leftie.

Vaush also speaks a lot of truth.

Sakebigoe · 2024-06-10T00:22:32+00:00

I personally try not to censor or quarantine any content I watch or listen to. I watch right wing content, left wing content, and everything in between. That said I make a point to not just take everything I see or hear as gospel, nor do I instantly dismiss everything I hear. Even people with massively different world views to me will occasionally say things that are useful or thought provoking. There's an old saying that I'm probably going to butcher here but be open minded, but not so open minded that your brain falls out. Think through what you believe and why you believe it and if you find that some of your ideas don't align with reality adjust them even if that means adopting some "right wing" ideas.

Low_Rich_5436 · 2024-06-10T11:45:33+00:00

Never be afraid to be confronted with opinions different from your own, that's the mark of an extremist. Do not be afraid of your own mind either, or will never trust yourself.

If a different opinion strikes you as interesting in any way, listen to it and make up your own mind. Critical thinking is the one essential skill to have adequate opinions of your own, and it can only be developped by considering earnestly opinions different from yours.

You don't want to be radicalized, so be critical. If you refuse to listen to different opinions, then you already are radicalized.

Notsonewguy7 · 2024-06-09T23:05:37+00:00

I don't identify with the left, center, or right. My views align mostly with the 2010 liberal principles, I support the right to own guns, and I don't identify as a feminist.

But that I'm no supporter of the sort of right.Leaning woman hating people that have popped up since 2019

Alternative_Poem445 · 2024-06-10T00:26:20+00:00

im deep into the z axis, the left right dichotomy is false inherently and its trapping us in dangerously rigid beliefs. i am definitely alienated by the left increasingly more every day. im sick of the neo liberal inside trader bullshit and democrat politicians bending the knee to monied interests. doesn't mean i like republican politicians. i will probably agree with some issues on both sides of the aisle.

one of the only youtubers that has poignant insights into mens issues imo is gerbert johnson.

Leinadro · 2024-06-10T02:18:16+00:00

Honestly I just avoid people who are actually aligned with the Right. It can be hard to do sometimes since there's this idea that anything that that Feminist/Progressive/Left don't like is Right Wing.

I remind myself that them not liking it doesn't make it bad.

That makes the difference between being against abortion (which I think is wrong regardless of what Left think) and wanting toxic women to be held accountable for their crap (which I agree with regardless of what Left thinks).

HedgeRunner · 2024-06-10T02:48:18+00:00

So? Why is the right so damn bad? Why can’t we have both left and right opinions?

Why can’t humans be just slightly more complicated than picking a damn side and base your whole identity on such a simple binary choice?

Virtual_Piece · 2024-06-10T11:09:46+00:00

Watch everything, were you end up, you end up.

Airoth26 · 2024-06-11T02:23:07+00:00

If watching the other side completely changes your outlook on the political scene, then you are probably just easily influenced by media and should reevaluate your positions and values.

Inkspells · 2024-08-19T21:07:27+00:00

Destiny

JunkyDong · 2024-09-04T00:37:53+00:00

Maybe you're drawn to it for a reason. Maybe you're on the wrong side.

Final_Wear6451 · 2024-12-09T13:58:40+00:00

The Speech Prof!

Rudd-X · 2025-10-08T10:30:38+00:00

Are you afraid that such content will change your mind on things you believe to be true today? Or are you afraid that after you have changed your mind, the people you call "friends" today will reject you because they hate what you think now?

Food for thought.

anthonyprov · 2024-06-13T20:32:22+00:00

"I don’t want to become a misogynist." You're too hard on yourself. You don't hate women; you hate uneven narratives and peculiar, cultural double standards. You're not going to succumb to the depths of social undesirability by having one (or even 3) imperfect thoughts about women. Recognize it for what it is, forgive yourself, and move on. There's always room and space to be the person you want to be, which is often the person you actually are.

anthonyprov · 2024-06-13T20:41:15+00:00

You're not a misogynist, you just hate uneven narratives and cultural double standards that involve you/your identity directly.

Gullible_Profile_599 · 2026-05-20T12:04:59+00:00

I know the Dadvocate in real life. She’s not a good person.

Pantone711 · 2024-06-10T05:19:25+00:00

Left-leaning woman here. I would say get out more in real life and spend less time on the Internet--as much as I love Reddit!

I attend a left-leaning church (United Methodist) Kinda center-left not hit-you-over-the-head progressive. And the men there are wonderful. This church (actually quite large) is crawling with great men. I never hear the kinds of rhetoric in real life that I find online, except when the occasional real firebrand shows up at our liberal discussion group. Most of our liberal discussion group are normies too, and the men are great too. Funny and great conversationalists. One of the dudes a few of us women don't particularly like but the level is about 100,000 Scoville units less than the polarized hate on the Internet. One minute he'll tick us off and the next he'll chime in with a tidbit we listen to and engage with apart from whatever we don't like about him. The rest of the dudes are smart, funny, knowledgeable, and we are all friends even when we don't all agree on a topic.

As for the gender stuff...it's different when it's your own family. I am of two minds about a few things on the extreme far left on that topic BUT!!!!!!!!!! This kid I've known in my own family since he was in a high chair is now 18 and went trans. (In any other sub I would duck before I used that term because it is probably the wrong term...bite me whoever!) Thing is I always had a feeling this kid was going to turn out gay. His father died when he was 11. His father used to say things such as "THAT (GI Joe) IS NOT A DOLL THAT'S AN ACTION FIGURE" and I didn't know for sure if he was joking or if he would try to steer the kid to be more masculine as he grew up. Thing is he was a wonderful father. But he died. Anyway, I am not sure what would have happened if he had lived to see his son grow up to be (I guess at first gay and now trans). I am pretty sure this kid did not get hormones or puberty blockers before age 18 because he was in Mexico (he was a he then so I can say that) from age 14 to 18. Now age 18 and just came out as trans. But the thing is I always thought this kid would possibly be gay and I know there was no social contagion, blockers, or hormones before age 18 and I know this kid is not going to menace anyone. Anyway it's different when it's real life and not the Internet.

Also this kid is half Black and very large sized so I was getting worried about the police mistaking him for older than his real age when he was 11 and now that she's a woman maybe less chance of that. She got long braid extensions now. She's always done well in school and been sort of on the nerd side rather than a jock. But the police wouldn't have known that and could have just gone by his size back when he was a boy and now that she's got long polished nails and long braid extensions it's different and something to get used to but at least maybe the police won't shoot first and ask questions later. I'm not an ACAB and I understand some of the issues but again, when it's your real-life family it's not as black and white, cut and dried, polarized as on the Internet.

So long story short I would say get out more in real life and you'll likely meet more well-rounded people who might not agree with Point A or Point B but are still appreciative of what you bring to the table and find you worthy of respect rather than want to obliterate you like people on the Internet.

Low_Rich_5436 · 2024-06-10T11:32:41+00:00

Never be afraid to be confronted with opinions different from your own, that's the mark of an extremist. Do not be afraid of your own mind either, or will never trust yourself.

If different opinions strike you as interesting, listen to them and make up your own mind. Critical thinking is the one essential skill to have adequate opinions of your own, and it can only be developped by considering earnestly opinions different from yours.

You don't want to be radicalized, so be critical. If you refuze to listen to different opinions, then you already are radicalized.

Aubrey_D_Graham · 2024-06-10T03:00:51+00:00

Jesus espoused caring for the sick, weak, and disempowered. Yet todays righteous right despite quoting his teachings, they would have surely crucified him for being a brown socialist.

You can watch that content and still think for yourself. Take what is useful and discard the useless.

Cearball · 2024-06-10T09:03:54+00:00

Does right=misogynist?

eli_ashe · 2024-06-10T15:43:20+00:00

authentic observer, i appreciate her stuff.

also, it's important to not fall into the same bs that the feministas have. 'left' is not 'woman' and 'right' is not 'man'. or feminine and masculine. or even feminist and masculinist.

the feminists made a big error in the early 2000s by politicizing feminist issues. there are plenty of right wing feminists out there. gender ought not be a political issue, and insofar as it is, it ought not be a partisan one.

AriochBloodbane · 2024-06-10T14:52:33+00:00

I'll be very honest about this, I do really struggle with this seemingly forced divide between being progressive and caring about men's rights.

The harder the left is pushing for radical feminism, where men are always to blame for everything and only incel bigots use the "men's right" term, the easier it is for those incel bigots to take over every discussion on this and kinda make that assumption a self fulfilling prophecy.

The only thing that's saving me for now is that I am perfectly aware that the right is using men's rights as an excuse to push their misogyny to drag people across political sides, and that they don't actually give a damn about those issues. A poor man's rights? A black man's rights? A gay man's rights? Yeah, sure lol

But man... It is really hard with the left self sabotaging itself all the time...

Karmaze · 2024-06-09T23:17:46+00:00

Don't let it be about left or right, because it's really not. It's about the up or down, between hierarchy and authoritarianism vs. pluralism and individualism. The best antidote to those creators is to understand that the version of feminity they are based around isn't representative in the real world. Sure, it's big on social media. But by and large it's a small number.

Truth is, the best thing you can do is find south of center cultures and communities. Places that embrace individuality and pluralism and real community and are relatively non-political. I'm lucky to have found one IRL but they do exist.

coping_man · 2024-06-10T12:20:27+00:00

its over buddy boyo you're gonna be brainwashed you're gonna stop thinking for yourself dont watch hoe_math videos and content from rightoids or you'll start to be corrupted by the devil! you're gonna start wanting to put women in cages! you can't form your own beliefs!

in fact you need to ban right wing content from your life and from others lives to protect them from satan and make sure they only listen to YOU first!

cameronlcowan · 2024-06-11T04:09:27+00:00

You should try the good men project or my own work at The Cameron Journal

redhornet919 · 2024-06-09T23:04:26+00:00

Fd signifier is the first one to pop into my head. He puts an incredible amount of thought and nuance into his discussions on gender/men and boys and while I sometimes disagree with his framing of things (patriarchy theory for example), the actual content of his words is second to none in my opinion in terms of holding men accountable where it is deserved and simultaneously showing grace to the struggles that men face in the world. He walks that line very well.

darkhorse691 · 2024-06-10T02:17:50+00:00

Honestly the crossover between this sub and DGG is pretty much 1 to 1. Y’all already know the answer.

Title	I’m starting to worry that the discourse is pulling me to the Right.
Author	ESchwenke
Upvotes	127
Comments	202
Date	June 9, 2024 9:12 PM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
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