I decided to sit down with a glass of wine this evening and reflect on the past two years, and our experiences here on the red pill. While most sub-reddits are lighthearted and fun in nature, this one takes a more serious tone and purpose, and the implications of our conclusions are far reaching and scare real mainstream establishments.
It’s incredible that what we’re doing - just looking for and sharing information - is so dangerous and damaging to the status quo, that we actually ruffle feathers. When I took over TRP with under a thousand subscribers, I expected to be ignored, perhaps made fun of a bit. But I did not expect what we have experienced- mainstream attention in a campaign against us of fear, shame, and censorship.
Maybe I’m a bit drunk, but at 100,000 users I think it’s fair to excuse me as I raise my glass and share some of my emotions with you guys because, fuck, this has been the most incredible ride of my life. Not only have I found a group of likeminded individuals, but we have helped others find belonging as well. And that’s something that our culture has severely lacked- belonging for men: A place for men to be among peers and friends, comrades, people to connect with. Some have been luckier than others. I counted myself among the unlucky until now.
I think it’s important to take a moment to reflect on the improvements we’ve made as people – as men – because sometimes with the small increments it’s difficult to really realize where we might have been five years ago (or even two years ago). I find myself worrying about very small details today that are the subtlest of nuances of game that I would never have even understood or believed a few years back. Today I look at these hurdles as mountains, but they are mere street curbs compared to the real mountain of improvement that stood before me when I began my journey.
And, excuse me for being sentimental, but you’ve all been there doing the same with me. It really strikes me as the most incredible experience to know that we’ve reached out and touched the lives of other men, knowing that their lives may be improving because they found us. Knowing that we are improving people’s lives, despite the chagrin of the established culture, really fucking hits me deep. I haven’t cried in over a decade, but I might shed a damn tear tonight because it’s beautiful what we’ve accomplished.
I want to share a little about myself before the red pill started, and before I discovered the manosphere in general. I was just out of a relationship where I honestly wondered to myself what the point of continuing was. I wondered what three years meant if it could be thrown away in days. I was ego invested in this relationship, it was my identity.
I suspect (and I’m sure there are some blue pillers who will have a hay-day with this) that the people who have found their way here were smarter than average, but severely mislead. I say that because I truly believe it takes an uncommon level of intelligence to really look inside and realize that the source of a problem may lie within. It’s something that I consider daily, and I wonder if most people I’ve met will ever consider it even once in their lives. People tend to spend a huge amount of mental cycles avoiding such a question.
My experience was being logical and analytical. I wanted things to make sense, but I found myself alienated. Not only by women and romantic interests, but also by friends and family. Wondering why it was that a strict adherence to logic and rationality would lead to such rifts in my relationships, I began to wonder if perhaps I was destined to live the rest of my life alone. I felt alone, like there was nothing in this life for me. I did things the right way, the way they were supposed to be done, and I was not rewarded like I expected. Instead I discovered that everybody around me was stupid. They were dumb. They did not follow the rules. Why the hell were they so intent on following nonsense such as emotions? Why didn’t they control their reactions to things? Why were they lead astray by lies and misconceptions? And why was I unsuccessful at negotiating their desires?
I wouldn’t realize for years to come what I was witnessing could be explained by an economist. You have to follow the money. In this case, the money was self-interest. I eventually discovered that people will follow exactly what they’ve been evolutionarily driven to do. And sometimes that means that no matter how many promises you or they make, no matter how much sense commitments and honor makes to try- people will follow what makes them happy. (And worthy of note, most people don’t know what it is that makes them happy, so they follow the short term happiness, even to the detriment of long term happiness.)
It’s an eye-opening experience to realize that rather than being the smartest person in the room, I was likely the most duped idiot there. Expecting a system of laws that were never enforced, I actually had the gull to get self righteous and pissed when nobody abided by it. How fucking fruitless that effort would be.
I think my story is not unique. I think that we’re here because of a similar past.
There’s an interesting group called purplepilldebate, and I want to speak about that for a minute.
A common topic that they focus on is that the conclusions that we arrive at should be common knowledge and that few people should ever be as mislead as we were.
I really do wonder how it is that I was lead so far astray, I really don’t know. It’s hard to think of myself as a thinking, breathing individual then, when I now realize how wrong my conclusions were then. Clearly I am smart enough today to come to better conclusions. The raw materials were there waiting to be molded into the person I would become. But, nevertheless, there I was among the stupid. The people purplepilldebate refuses to accept exists: the feminine-conditioned men who did not know how to be men.
But we do exist. And we’re here. And we’re improving.
This is what the opposition will do when they find themselves outreasoned. They will adopt your premises and act as though they were there with you all along, and that you’re nuts for thinking otherwise. It’s just your misdirected conclusion that they disagree with. But they agreed with everything else all along!
That’s one hella bunch of gaslighting in my opinion.
There are a few comments I want to make about purplepilldebate, and our community, as we continue past 100,000 subscribers and into the future.
Purplepilldebate might be an interesting read, and certainly a great place for outrage porn if you’re an addict. But the fact is, one thing that they focus on is a way to tone down red pill discussion to give it more mass appeal. They want to normalize red pill ideas.
One common trope I hear there is “the red pill doesn’t have the monopoly on the advice, work out, dress well, and improve your personality.”
The point they’re trying to make is that you can take this very simple advice and probably improve your standing, so there’s no real reason to buy into the “hate-group” of the red pill. You can be just as successful, really, this advice has always been around! Everybody knows it! We’ve always advocated these things!
This is an interesting thing they’re doing. They’re buying the advice because there’s no real logical argument against its effectiveness. It really does work. Women like swole, fit, confident guys. But there’s method to the normalization and tempering tactic. They aren’t just well-meaning folks who want you to avoid the hate-trap of TRP. They want to make sure you never fall into the understanding behind why these things work.
Originally the campaign against men included denying that stoicism and fitness were effective with women. They tried to convince a generation of boys that what women really wanted was a dude who shared his feelings and was able to cry on her shoulder. MAKE NO MISTAKE, THIS IS WHAT SOCIETY TAUGHT BOYS. That the purple pill tries to deny it now, telling us that “get fit and confident” has always been a no-brainer is disingenuous. Anybody watching a late 80’s or 90’s movie can disprove this entirely. This has not been the truth.
They want to co-opt the inarguable parts of our argument to continue the campaign against what really scares them: understanding and truth about female sexual strategy.
There are some well-reasoned red pillers on the purple pill subreddit who tend to cave to these pressures nevertheless, and I see them now taking a foothold on our main subreddit. I have decided to make a comment on it, and explain our moderating position regarding them moving forward:
The fact is this: our edge is our advantage. There is no point to trying to normalize with political correctness. It is a fool’s errand.
There are enough people trying to make peace with the public narrative saying that red pill advice is good enough if only there wasn’t so much anger or hate. If only we could just be more … what’s the term? Socially acceptable?
This is what the moderates are looking for- they want us to tone it down. Why can’t we preach good dating advice and drop the anger and hatred?
In fact, even members here who I do not recognize as long-standing members comment on how there’s so much anger and how it used to be good but gosh there’s so much darn hatred and anger now.
The fact is, our edge- our political incorrectness- is the only thing keeping us what we are: a community for like-minded men. Once we adopt a politically correct frame (which is what purple pill is attempting, and what our concern trolls are advocating), we have abandoned our advantage of being a male space that is open to like-minded individuals who can discuss what matters to men.
I think a lot of people reading this might be wondering- why is it that dropping some of the anger and speech that is deemed “hatred” could be bad? Wouldn’t it help to communicate our message better if it were easier to stomach?
When we adopt a more politically correct format, something very important is taking place: we are tempering our speech to satisfy the feminine imperative; that is to say: we are modifying ourselves to please women- to gain female approval. And as our subject matter happens to be one that women tend not to approve of, you can only imagine the effect that might have on our subject matter if we were to temper ourselves to appease them.
We will not be bending to appease women, the feminine imperative, or popular culture. This has always been the case, and always will be.
So as a comment to a recent influx of statements regarding the “anger stage” or new members ruining things because they’re undereducated or angry- I say this: We embrace the anger, we embrace the new people, we embrace the unwanted, the unsightly, the incorrect.
I need’nt state that at one point every member here was new, and many had dumb questions or some anger to work out. We’ve all been there.
So as of this point forward, our moderation team will not look kindly to anybody being disparaging towards the fact that new people might exist, that we have an “influx” of new people clogging things up with their new questions and feelings.
I liken it to going to the gym. After a good set, my muscles tend to ache. It’s sometimes frustrating and difficult to do normal tasks when my muscles hurt, or I can’t fully extend my arms. But the one thing I know is this: The pain indicates gain. We cannot get gain without pain. And fuck any of you righteous motherfuckers who think they’re not responsible to help educate and assist new members. If you’ve gained any insight or help from TRP at all, you owe it to new members to help them with the same.
Likewise my message to new comers is not to flood us with inane posts or bullshit. If you think you have a beginner question, it’s because it is, and we don’t need to hear it. Check our sidebar, and read for another month. Check /r/asktrp. Do what what you can to teach yourself before joining in conversation.
Anyhow, I’ve really enjoyed the past two years, and it’s incredible that we’ve reached 100,000 subscribers. I can’t wait to see what the next two years bring, and to see how many new ideas, insights and understandings we uncover. As always we will continue to embrace the edge and make this a place for exclusively male communication and comradery.
Welcome new subscribers, and congrats to existing users. This is a huge milestone and I can say honestly that I could not have gotten where I am today without all of you. I hope that what we’ve been able to do here has helped you as well.
I’m proud to call you my brothers.
RPS
I ask not for a lighter burden, but for broader shoulders.
We've got a lot of work to do.
If videogames taught me one thing, it's that if you keep running into ennemies, you're going into the right direction
I fucking love this!
Also.. this sub gave me new insights and looking back at my past relationships with this new found knowledge I cringe a bit.. My outlook on things and general attitude really changed for the better. thanks bros!
A modern take on the old: If your getting flack from both directions it means you are over the target.
Don't bunt. Aim out of the ball park. Aim for the company of immortals. - David Ogilvy
I'll see your quote
and raise you a Ghandi quote:
TRP, MGTOW and MRM are all going through this progression. The mainstream media, by and large, is moving from the ignore you stage to the laugh at you stage. Keep moving forward, my brothers!
EDIT: Oh yeah. Thank you, OP! Thanks for you hard work, steady hand, devotion and excellence.
can I ask what MGTOW and MRM are? I just subbed to TRP today so learning the slang as such
Yeah, like bench press, strict press, lateral raises, dips etc...
Squats actually. Mainly squats.
Listen.. I love how much I hate squat day as much as the next beast, but what of deads? Deads get no respect. I can't think of anything that puts me in touch with my alpha caveman more than pulling some heavy ass weight .
Deadlifts are easily my favorite exercise. Nothing is more barbarian than picking heavy shit up and setting it back down.
It's such a damn good feeling, I just feel so alive, when I am deadlifting more weight than I ever have and my legs shake and the rep is finished and my form is pushed to the limit and then slowly down to the finish BOOM I'm cavemanly shoulders rising weight killer! Nothing beats my pain I am gifted for lifting and pushing my body to lift of break trying
front squats. back squats. hack squats. sumo squats.
Jefferson squats! Zercher squats! Pistol squats! Squat squats!
box squats! overhead squats! goblet squats! squat jumps!
And sometimes diddly-squat!
Preach the good word, brother.
Back day and Leg day. The two workout days I look forward to.
Front Squats
At this milestone, there's no better time to thank the Red-Pill detractors: 2XHamsters, The Blue Pill, SRS and the rest.
Their widespread broadcasts expressing their hatred towards our sub have allowed us the exposure and growth to reach this number of members.
The irony is beautiful, that those most vocal in opposing our movement are also our biggest recruiters. The controversy and 'outrage' the Internet's feminists seem compelled to blog about is what sparks a TRP newcomer's initial interest, and it is through these channels that a large number of us heard about, and were consequentially drawn to TRP.
Ludicrous and false ideas aren't met with the same opposition as uncomfortable truths. If you try telling people something ridiculous, such as 'the moon is made of marshmallow'. They will laugh and maybe set you straight, before moving on with their lives. They won't go online and make post after post trying desperately to discredit or ridicule you. Nor will they dedicate communities to opposing your movement. No-one will care that you claim the Earth is being orbited by a giant floating ball of candy. They won't care because it's unequivocally false, even if technically it's something which challenges their most basic of world-views. But if you start stating unsavory facts such as explaining how men and women are inherently different, or teaching men to understand that women will behave according to their evolutionary programming, then that's when the 'outrage' starts to appear.
Those who hate our group the most are the ones that are most aware of the truth in our teachings. Likewise their audience realizes on some level that people don't vehemently oppose movements that are blatantly false, and as such they are less inclined to be dismissive of TRP.
The more hatred The Red Pill receives, the more credibility it gains and the more people turn up at our door, eager to learn. This is why we shouldn't embrace the concept of appeasement and diluting Red Pill theory to make it more palatable. The more 'feels' are hurt and the more the 'outrage' spreads the more the Red Pill grows.
If those who opposed us really wanted to slow the growth of our movement, they'd stay quiet and stop helping spread our message. But of course, these aren't logical beings we're dealing with, these are people looking to receive validation for whining, and to be reassured by others that their world view is still cosy and safe.
Congratulations on reaching 100k subs, I'm looking forward to being a part of this movement as it continues to grow. I'd also like to thank those who oppose us for helping make this possible. You are our very own Red Pill Recruiters.
I read once that New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman said that the war on terror was misguided. He said that the $100,000 bounty on Bin Laden actually legitimized him. Instead, he said, make the bounty $1. That, he suggested, would be the best way of showing that terrorism doesn't work.
It's the same with the TRP detractors. As you suggest, they have a creeping feeling that what is posted here is true. I would go one step further - the reaction is because they feel threatened. Women feel their power or bargaining in the sexual marketplace is threatened by red pill truths. Some men have defined their lives with blue pill lies. Accepting the ideas here means that they have to brave enough to look at themselves in the mirror and face the consequences. That may mean redefining who they are.
Sometimes that may mean they need to reinvent their lives. They have to give up what they have built to this point, and start again. That's threatening, but it's also a lot of work. That's why I think people dislike TRP because they are lazy. They live in a cozy nest of lies and prefer a comfortable deception instead of the hard work to become self-actualized and see the world as it actually is.
There is another slightly different motivation.
Women are disgusted by false-Alphas. Even more than an overt obvious Beta. To a woman, nothing is more disgusting than a man who appeared to be worthy of genetic donorship, but who turned out to only be acting that way, and thus none of the qualities she was attracted to were actually genetic. Women want true Alphas. They want the guy who is tall, strong, fit, healthy, and confident because he has superior genes. Genes which she can acquire for her offspring by mating with him. When a man appears to have all of these things, but only has them because he has learned how to appear that way, she feels betrayed. She feels robbed of the one thing that she knows is most precious and finite for her: time. Her narrow window of sexual maturity and attraction is her biggest and for many, only, chip she has to play in the mating game. The years she wastes on a mate who appeared to be superior but was actually genetically inferior are years she will never get back.
This is why the entire feminist "just be yourself" mantra is a population-wide shit test. The men who fall for it and turn themselves into timid docile Betas out themselves as such and thus fail. The men who continue to be be strong, confident, fit, capable men despite this out themselves as true Alphas in the eyes of a woman, and thus pass.
"Just be yourself" is probably the most self-serving piece of advice a female can ever give a male. She wants you to bare every aspect of what makes you you to her, so she can judge you as worthy or unworthy, and cast you aside if you don't make the cut. That is the essential impetus behind all shit testing. Coercing a man into outing himself as a Beta so she can cast him aside. "Just be yourself" is designed to accomplish that goal in one simple sentence.
TRP exists to challenge all of that. We say "Just be yourself...but change yourself into something awesome first. Then be that". To a woman, that is the ultimate insult. The ultimate lie. Making up for [what they feel is] inferior genetics through training, understanding, and improving. To a woman, an Alpha man whom she knows is that way because of TRP is like a fake iPhone made in China. Seems great, looks great, might even work great...but it's a fake.
This is a great way to sum up the social-level shit test we have all been fed before "disconnecting". Just wanted to add that, as has been discussed here before, self-actualizing and improvement are seen by women in the same light as this perceived lie of being a "fake alpha". In other words, you might become awesome, but making it known that you haven't always been "this awesome" might be detrimental to your perceived value to a woman.
I believe Law 30 is relevant ("Make Your Accomplishments Seem Effortless") when dealing with women, else you might be thrown in the faux-alpha bunch.
Lets be honest, Law 30 is always relevant. In my opinion, making your achievements seem effortless is one of the most alpha things you can do. It gives you power over not only the people who admire said achievements, but over yourself by forcing you to remember that one goal leads to the next.
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With a LTR they can make up for lower smv by being useful. Nothing is worse then a 10 with no fucking ability to do anything. If i wanted to have another child i would have one with a different women.
TL;DR women are the control/nature group. Men are the experimental/nurture group. An average man is more of a product of his environment and what was taught to him more so than most women can ever be, for most women will live out their lives just as they were born, save for the early socializing period up until they're about 14 years old.
Think about what most of these men amounted to when they were 18-22: Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Alan Watts, Freud, Nietzsche, Dyson, Hawking, Aurelius, Darwin, Newton, the Wrights - the list goes on. Our genome readily produces individuals capable of changing the species, yet of those the ones to attain any significant portion of their potential possessed a rare combination of a somewhat conducive environment, not being too great too quickly - society has a limit of tolerance for greatness and those ascending too fast have almost always caved from their own progress and became reclusive - and living in a time the tastes of which were most aligned with their particular kind of genius.
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Female neurology is superior in some areas such as the Fusiform Face Recognition area & subsystems related to deciphering body language and social dynamics, alas they are inferior in most "STEM" related tasks. Science is clouded by the same PC bullshit that social and political circles are; there's many properly done studies with large sample sizes like this one - they're just ignored. Higher test scores = more prestige = access to schools with more prestigious males = direct incentive to their imperative.
Quote from abstract:
My original statement was not a "RP truism" but rooted in having extensively studied IQ & neurology along with their relation to gender, culture, phenotypes, expression and ethnicity as well as Denovisan / Neanderthal ancestry. It's no coincidence that most prominent scientists & thinkers are male with Nordic or Scandinavian background, closely followed by their Denovisan [Asian / Eurasian] counterparts - this might be too controversial even for our sub.
Well said. I was once discussing my women troubles with some female friends back in my blue days and they responded "Just be yourself and she'll like you for you" I replied with "and if my true self isn't good enough?" they responded "then she isn't right for you" "so all I have to do is play videogames at home, get fat and where pjs everywhere and some woman will find and love me?" "well, I, uh wouldn't say that..." "because a woman that wants that from me isn't one that I want"
I think you are wrong as to why women give the 'just be yourself' advice.
Women are very solipsistic creatures and they think that what works for them works for everyone. A woman just needs a pussy and she can fuck a different guy every day of the week for years if she wanted to. Naturally she thinks that just having a dick is all a guy needs to get a girl to sleep with him but that's not the case.
Also you can't fake tall or strong... That's why women put a premium on these traits. Tall guys have an advantage and why there is so much shorty-rage on this sub because everything else can be trained but all other things being equal the girl is going to probably choose the taller guy if approached by two different guys with the same level of skill/game.
Keep in mine though that men are made, not born. Even someone with the best genetics still have to work his ass off to become high value/alpha/successful/whatever. Thats a lie put in womens head : there are some men on earth who are effortlessly badass. But we have to take that into account and deal with it.
But how about men who gives the JBY advice to other men? In my BP days I ve asked a player how to get girls and he told me jby even though I can now tell he knew it was a harmful advice.
I was beta as well at one point. But I've changed. I am red pill now.
What I am saying is that my "just be yourself" was beta. Now it is not.
When PUA came out and I took an interest in it, I was convinced that the material mimicked a high value male. 3 second rule, not messaging or calling for 3 days after a number close, and the list goes on.
It doesn't matter how hard a girl tries to put me in the beta category, I just don't go there, it's not who I am. It's akin to someone telling me I'm not hungry while I am feeling hungry.
I was semi red pill growing up, but I see the fruits of my own efforts as the golden ticket to where I am now. So for whoever is reading this and is beta, it's not a "you are either born with it or not". It's hard work.
I definitely agree with your analysis about male TRP detractors. It's a mixture of denial and apathy, and as you said most people are incredibly lazy- the fact that 50% of our population is overweight is testament to this.
In terms of the women who hate TRP, while there are some who don't want to lose bargaining power within the sexual marketplace, the majority don't have that level of self-awareness.
Most of the women who hate this movement have a limited understanding of our principles. A large number either assume we're an anti-women group or simply join the hate-brigade because they see others around them doing the same. The loudest speakers are the ones who do actually understand what we teach. These are, as you said, the people who feel threatened by The Red Pill truths and it's this that prompts them into throwing their shit-fits all over Reddit.
As a lifelong libertarian and autonomous man, I've always despised SJWs and feminists. I found TRP because of the shrieking SJWs. I remember thinking to myself: If the SJWs think its wrong, it's most likely right.
The Red Pill has closed the circle and finally allowed me to take my perspective politically more deeply into my own personal life.
"There's no such thing as bad publicity" -- Brendan Behan
I had low expectations for r/TRP.
I thought it would be overrun by the dorks that make up 99% of Reddit users within a few months. As someone who's been writing a "Red Pill" blog since 2010, I was happy to see someone take a shot at building a subreddit, but it seemed like an exercise in futility.
Most people won't realize how good a job RedPillSchool has done here. Online communities are incredibly fragile, and it would have been so easy for this subreddit to become useless. The fact that it has grown to 100k members, and more importantly, that it has done so while refusing to seek a compromise with political correctness - is a miracle.
There will always be people who will try to drag you away from the pursuit of pure, unadulterated truth for the sake of itself. "Bro, why stress about politics and ideas? Lift weights, get money, get girls... etc."
Keep resisting those people. They're not your enemies, but they are simpler, and they are content with a smaller life. They're welcome to it, but if they want to engage with TRP, they must elevate themselves to it.
There will always be tone police. They are not your enemies either, but they lack the historical understanding of the political left, and how to effectively wage ideological warfare. Resist them too - if they truly understood the core of TRP, they would understand that no compromise is possible.
There will also be people who are destructive because they are - contra the above points - excessively negative and navel-gazing. There is a golden mean between acknowledging harsh truths and wallowing in self-defeatism.
Ultimately there are no hard and fast rules of what this community is, and how it should be. That's what makes RedPillSchool's accomplishment here so impressive. I'm pretty certain that with almost anyone else at the helm, the community would be garbage.
One hundred thousand TRP subscribers is one hundred thousand lives on a better path. That's more positive impact than the vast majority of people will ever have in their entire lives. Congratulations, /u/RedPillSchool, and thanks for building this community.
Thanks for the kind words, Jon. Means a lot.
I've updated your flair, don't know why it wasn't done sooner.
Thank you for everything you did. And hopefully will keep on doing. Cheers.
TRP's organization is the reason this sub is so good. Mods are always open about what the rules are and WHY they are changing. They aren't afraid of 'losing subscribers', and always draw a line to newcomers. Here I learned to keep my mouth shut and let the big boys talk first.
It hasn't been easy considering how many leftists/SJWs there are moderating other subs stirring up shit for us, plus some admins being leftists/SJWs themselves.
I am too curious as to why liberals and SJWs are associated together?
It is possible for one to be liberal, vote liberal, and be a Red Piller too, no?
Or atleast, what is this issue i am failing to see?
SJW are always liberals.
It's the extremes, left or right, that are the problems, as always. Both are in denial of different realities.
Extreme right deny evolution and other scientific realities that conflict with their beliefs. Extreme left deny social realities such as the behavioural differences between men and women.
I'm a scientist, and firmly believe in accepting reality as it is, not what I want it to be, and that's why TRP is attractive to me. I'm also left-leaning.
Well, the extreme right denies evolution altogether, but the extreme left (and even to an extent the mainstream left) also denies evolution above the neck.
I think there are nuances in these studies that leave a lot in the realm of the unknown, which is why they aren't socially accepted, at least, on the level that you want them to be.
They don't go into environmental factors, such as the growing number of people who grow up without strict guidance, and just naturally fell into their world views, based on pure, unbiased objectivity, nor do they really account for many different eras in human history, which would rule out the fact that these behavioral differences are a modern thing - whether the systematic oppression exists or not, and whether these things are exclusive to the modern generation.
As far as the extreme right goes, they're people who simply want to be left alone, to govern their land as they see fit, and will try to fight anyone who declares supremacy over them and their land, i.e. the government. While this can and does include a large variety of fundamentalist religious people, you shouldn't lump them in with extreme right libertarians who don't deny science.
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I'm not going to get into the validity of the science of climate change here, it's not the place. I will say that the findings of scientists in that field have been misrepresented by both the left and the right, to suit their own agendas. Neither are honest about it, or frankly give two shits about the actual research done, or they wouldn't be cherry picking or misrepresenting the results.
Again, this is why I'm very leery of both extremes. Scientific evidence doesn't care about your political views, religious beliefs or hurt feelings. It is what it is.
You mean when the atmosphere switched from a co2 rich atmosphere to an oxygen one, causing the first mass extinction?
It's happened before, the earth will be fine. People well die though
how is the pollution we produce a slight disturbance? its not slight, its huge.
I haven't read all the replies to your comment but this ignores the realities of complex systems. Firstly, it's a logical fallacy to say that because something has been true for billions of years it still has to be true now. Sure, that can be a reason to be skeptical about it, but we have evidence of the climate changing plenty during those billions of years, so there's no reason to be skeptical about the fact of climate change. Secondly, no mainstream scientist claims that global warming will end all life--far from it, many species will thrive. It will just make our current human lifestyles a lot harder. Climate change has the potential to threaten modern human life, not all life on the planet. Thirdly, your skepticism about the impact of slight disturbances is unwarranted. Our influence on the environment--specifically on CO2 levels in the atmosphere--is not a slight disturbance. Though CO2 levels may be low, that does not mean that the effect of it is slight. A few grains of ricin powder is enough to kill a person, would you feel it is safe to eat a few milligrams of ricin just because small things can't have large effects? So even though we are not pumping a large amount of CO2 into the atmosphere relative to how much atmosphere there is, we are pumping a lot of CO2 into the atmosphere relative to how much CO2 there is. Scientific American reports today that atmospheric CO2 has reached levels of 400 parts per million, a level not seen in some 23 million years. Yes, 400 out of a million is not a lot, but comparing 400 to a million is not the right standard to judge by. Comparing 400 to the CO2 concentration of the last 23 million years--which ranged from about 170 to 280 parts per million--is the right one.
By leaning left you are biased. I've never been able to fully accept evolution primarily because of how long the history of our ancestors is, aka what they call the first man and first woman, in terms of being over 100,000 years old, while the split in our ancestors happened around 2.5 million or more years ago. Civilization has only existed for some 10,000 years, and in those years very small changes and all of a sudden in the last 100 years you can say things have exploded in terms of advancement. Evolution right now doesn't exist, as the fit and unfit are each surviving and passing along there genes. There really is no reality, I'm a big fan of autobiographies, and if some of those guys some of the greatest minds that have live believed in reality, reality is defined by the majority. They would have done nothing in there lives, they would of stuck with the majority, been helpless like some of there family members and the people around them. I think whats important is not conforming to the beliefs of others around you.
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Religious conservatism is patriarchal. Find me a patriarch in that subreddit and I'll eat my hat.
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No way. TBP may have some Churchians but there are no conservative Christians in that rotten bunch.
Leftists don't always equal liberals. WE are often thought of being conservative, but I would also say we're liberal in that we buck the status quo in our thinking. It's a lot like status in that it's dependent on the situation. When I talk of leftists though I'm usually referring to statists and/or socialist types.
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Unfortunately, yes.
"Chtulhu always swims to the left" aka. Academia keeps moving what is normal to the left.
In the west, the status quo is liberal.
The status quo is that the rhetoric is dominated by NPR and the left, but in practice it's the Protestant work ethic and the spirit of capitalism which continues to be everyone's true reality.
Labels like 'liberal' or 'conservative' are just too simplistic for me. The only think that matters is to have a mental model of the world as closer as the real thing as possible.
The issue, is your lack of understanding of the differences between the politics of the left and of the right.
Enjoy your trip down the rabbit hole
Please, feel free to educate me.
Maybe I can then educate you on proper, comma usage.
But, I'm fairly left-wing, and that doesn't make me an SJW or any of that other weird shit, it's my educated assessment of how the world would be best managed economically and ecologically.
I know the kind of self-obsessed liberal douche you're probably referring to, but using "leftist" as an insult is a bit much.
It's interesting, isn't it? Because I'm RedPill and I am pretty hard Right. I think at some point the circle closes...
I've been leaning right ever since I realised the right was far more accepting of hard truths. Being as accurate as possible is what's important to me and the left gets so much support by appealing to emotion.
The right is the party that denies global climate change and advocate for abstinence as the best form of birth control, while trying to outlaw abortion and pretend human beings don't have sex drives, right?...
I'm pretty staunchly Libertarian myself, but it seems a bit funny to hear the right characterized as the party that is accepting of hard truths.
The term "right" wing (just like "liberalism") has lost all meaning.
In the US, the right generally refers to the Neocon movement which dominates the Republican Party. Neoconservatism was founded during the Cold War, when certain Democratic Party politicians/thinkers were disenfranchised with JFK when he refused to tackle the USSR head on and ante up the US' foreign-policy against communism. They left the DNC and joined the GOP. This is why every modern US war (WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam) were initiated by Democratic presidents, but after the Neoconservative movement took ahold of the GOP, the wars thereon were initiated by Republican presidents (Iraq 1 & 2, Afghanistan). In Europe, the right has historically been associated with ultra-nationalist movements like Fascism and National-Socialism, which also were founded by individuals who were previously from socialist parties and unions.
Personally, I lean libertarian (right-libertarianism to be exact). Most so-called "right wingers" to me are just extensions of the left. There is no difference, both want war, both want to control people's lives and income. I find it deplorable.
However, you're comments regarding climate change, sex education, and abortion are very generalized, and I see no point to it. Whether someone believes in climate change or not, is a non factor to me. I don't see what the point is for the State to be peddling one idea over the other. That's for individuals and enterprises to make their own decisions, and accept their respective consequences. The same with sex, and sex education (or lack thereof). As for abortion, that's a more complicated matter, which is why there is difference of opinion even among libertarians. One position is that the "fetus" is a foreign or parasitic entity and that the individual (mother) has right of say over her body. The other position is that a fetus or baby is a human life, and therefore falls under the Non-Aggression Principle (as followed by libertarians), and an abortion would be an example of "aggression" (initiation of force) against it.
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Libertarian has the spirit of a right leaning individual. I mean Ron And Rand Paul have won CPAC 5 times. It'd be cool if TRP endorsed Rand Paul or had a poll or something.
This place is mostly libertarian right? No sidebar info from what I see.
The Left is the party that takes Global Climate change as Gospel, despite never having seen any of the evidence fir the assertion, and knowing huge chunks of the theory are 'corrected' to fit the narrative. In fact, AGW is the perfect subject with which to show the dogmatic adherence to appeal to authority that so characterizes the Left, since it shows both the mindless herd instinct leftist is based on, as well as the utter nonsense typically considered unassailable proof by leftists.
I've been pretty hard right my entire life, parents influence and all.
I think the nature of the red pill is innately pretty right leaning. Nothing I've learned here has made my right leaning orientation change. If anything it's strengthened many of my beliefs.
Red Pill ideology focuses on self-improvement, whereas your economic outlook (leftism) focuses on pressuring or forcing change in external actors and factors. Red Pill is an inward philosophy, Leftism (or statism in general) is an outwards philosophy.
Yeh, a lot of confusion over left/right because it's really more two-axis. You believe in more left-wing centrally planned economics I presume, I believe in less central planning, and ancaps and econ-libertarians believe in significantly less / almost none/ none/.
SJWs can only ever be left wing because they need a really authoritarian central government to enforce their idea of social justice. However, it's absolutely possible to be left wing and ignore social justice bullcrap but it would likely require a rethink of old marxist ideas and kicking out a lot of already totalitarian leftists who plague the left and make it unsightly - not easy by any means - but still workable.
Things are different depending on where you are as well. I'm from the UK voting UKIP and people here see them as right wing (despite wanting to re-nationalize the post-office and trains and spend more money on the NHS ). But compared to the Republican / Tea Party in the US almost all our parties are apparently left of center.
r/MGTOW -- still missing from TRP's sidebar.
/r/MGTOW has slight infiltration by the political correct left (for example, reddit's FA community still plugged into PC behavior). Those individuals view TRP as dangerous at worse, and pointless at best. Personally, I embrace MGTOW as a sexual strategy, see a lot of cross over with TRP, and would like the link referenced in the side bar - whether /r/MGTOW wants that link depends on the moderators and community members.
I respect the idea of MGTOW, but the subreddit for it seems to be a bit off track. Too much talking about feminism, crazy women, etc.
It should just be about men. If you are going your own way then you shouldn't have to keep justifying it or discussing why you are doing it with examples of female wrongdoings.
I think it belongs there, too. There is a tangible crossover between the "spectrums" of both movements.
This and the OP are great.
I'm new to this entire community, and though I had worked through many of these truths on my own, it's awesome to see so many people discussing them openly. Most of all, I've been impressed by the unapologetic zero-fucks-given attitude towards the whiners who dominate our culture.
Thanks for creating this, I hope to add to it going forward.
I AM STILL ALIVE because of you motherfuckers. One day I will have a great success story to share, and that will be the closest I could ever come to a sufficient way to thank you for it.
/r/thanktrp
Not every story of thanks has to be epic story of banging 200 chicks in 200 days or something. Just picking yourself up and getting on with life is thanks worthy too.
Well done. It's been my honor to be a part of this sub.
Thanks, Rollo!
I almost didn't write this post.
I thought about all the work that would go into making a throwaway account. I've been on reddit for over 3 years and never made one before. I'd have to think up a clever name that hadn't been used already, and besides, someone else will have already said what I'm saying right now. Why bother?
Because it's too important. The conversation needs to grow, and the message can't be diluted.
I'm a member of the lost generation. Politics are a rigged game of corporate interests. Organized religion is a violent joke. I've spent my whole life feeling like an outsider; a too-sensitive, too-naive, too-romantic chump. I thought I was born in the wrong era, either too late or too soon. It didn't matter. I didn't belong anywhere. I saw myself as the loner who just needed the right woman to be made whole.
Everything you described about yourself is me.
I had an absent father and an overbearing mother. I would not be surprised if this too is common amongst redpillers.
My redpill journey started a year ago, and progressed slowly. Finding this subreddit a month ago was the missing link. I only wish I had found it years ago. For the first time in my life, I truly love myself. I have you all to thank for that.
Why did I write this? Because instead of debating myself to exhaustion and frustration, I just took action. I am able to do this because I trust my instincts.
The Red Pill taught me how to fish.
Your writings have been some of the most influential work I've had the pleasure of reading. I know you've been thanked thousands of times for what you do here, but allow me to join the chorus - I would not be who I am now without the effort you've put in to this community. Really, sincerely, thank you for what you do.
I'm deeply grateful for all your contributions. keep rocking on.
I'll tell you what PPD's next line will be:
"We never said TRP was scary womanhaters, it's just rambunctious locker-room talk. But, could you tone it down a little, boys? It's kind of out of hand."
When a bitch can't shame you into compliance, her next tactic is to pretend to be your friend for just long enough to get what she wants.
Too bad for them we don't have an attention span limited to that of a goldfish.
They're idiots - but it's amusing to run circles around them sometimes. Essentially, TRP is defined (in their minds) as "those things I disagree with" and so yes, as they're convinced of more and more truths, they'll continue to narrow their definition of TRP.
I quite enjoy people like /u/gaylubeoil because he is intentionally provocative and never fails to bunch their panties. But then, so many of them know nothing of TRP except for posts like his, specifically selected to offend them, and then they wander unaware into PPD or the like, and they encounter me, and I make so much sense -to their heads just explode
Women love groupthink. They are never committed enough to give credence to their words, hence the use of "we" whenever they want to express a personal opinion. Their tactic is to shut down independent voices pretending it's for "the good of the group". Women are the biggest abusers of democracy, which they perceive as the totalitarian state of groupthink (when the groupthink is not to their favour, they despise democracy and meritocracy, as is what happens in high-ranking science or technology).
The key is to quelch this thought-police before it becomes big. I 'm afraid it's already getting out of hand with all the "trigger-warning" labeling that i observe all around the media.
God bless TRP. For 16 months, this has killed the Internet for me. I don't have to waste time scanning bullshit when I'm stuck on the computer. I can always turn to TRP and encounter something real.
7 plates spun and dropped. 1 9mo LTR. Nexted for disrespect. IDGAF about any of that. I'm not attached to those experiences. I am improving. That's what counts. And I can't be bullshited any more. I recognize the blue pill lies. And when I've slipped intof BP for even a single action, I see the reaction. RP is truth.
TRP got me out of an internet addiction. I can't stand spending time on any other subreddits unless completely academic in nature.
Before TRP, I actually considered that I might be going crazy. How what a women said was dramatically different than how she acted. The way society tries to keep men in a cage of beta provisioning and working wage slave. How society's description of an ideal man didn't seem to gain traction in the real world.
I had started drawing a few conclusions on my own, but was bewildered that no one else seemed to notice that it didn't add up. Then I discovered TRP, and everything instantly snapped into focus.
We are at a unique time. We are witnessing the beginning of a movement. As RPS mentioned, it is a tremendous gift to have found a group of likeminded individuals. I am grateful for the sub, the mods, and the writers here for sharing ideas.
It's actually incredibly interesting to me how something that is plainly observable everywhere is generally rejected or met with denial by a huge segment of the population.
You see this in a couple other sociological and cultural behaviors, not just TRP stuff.
out of curiosity -- what are those other behaviors?
Religion, the idea that everyone must buy an overpriced house that'll require decades of savings, get married and have kids. All of the these have huge negative life altering consequences and generally turn the person into a slave to some degree.
But they all keep people purchasing things.
Religions aren't equal. The ones that thrive under scrutiny are more truer.
Which doesn't matter since they're all bullshit.
There are some that will disagree and say that there is evidence historical and scientific evidence that increases plausibility of core claims. It is up to us to examine if there is indeed evidence for such claims and come to our own conclusions.
Religion, various things surrounding race (i.e. race is a social construct until you're a doctor who has to recommend a medication or screen for certain diseases you're socially constructed to be at higher risk for), most things surrounding government and what politicians say compared to what they do.
The effect single motherhood has on a childs likelihood of becoming criminal or having learning/emotional disabilities.
All kinds of thing people actively reject despite massive sample size data dictating otherwise.
The race being a social construct is always funny to me. Because how can they call anyone a racist if they believe it's just a social construct?
I also love when they (SJWs) want white men to feel bad for the actions of white men in history, but if I should feel bad for those actions, can I not feel good for the good shit white men have done for the world?
great points. Especially the race one -- sorry Mr. Black American, you've been socially constructed to have heart disease more often. And your skin pigmentation is also socially constructed.
An easy one would be religion.
Actually, these days it seems more the reverse with religion, where Christians are keeping mum, while atheists scream at anyone without identical beliefs. Weird reversal.
In other words Atheistkult.
Death as well, and aging. Clearly horrible, yet widely celebrated or ignored.
Of all my life experiences, none have shaped my life in such a positive way as this place has. It's amazing that a tiny corner of the internet with nothing but words on it can lift a man so high.
There's no way you could have known it, but by cultivating the culture of TRP you (and by extension, other TRP'ers) have done more for the well-being of men than a lot of your peers. Fuck, if that isn't something to be proud of I don't know what is.
Cheers dude. And thanks.
This!
Hear hear. I've been on TRP for the last 8 months. Never posted, just created this account.
This place is phenomenal, a real eye opener. It's a huge work on oneself, but it's worth it. I'm still progressing (as most of us, hell maybe as all of us) but I'm definitly seeing some major changes in my interactions with people (not only women).
Reaching 100,000 subscribers will probably attract a bit of people here. As usual, there will be a lot of hate. But for those who may be genuinely curious, and will read this : I urge you to think for yourself, dont listen to the noise, and look around. Dont post, just read the sidebar, read the top posts, and compare what you read to your life and your interaction with others. Then come back, read some more, and experiment.
But dont scratch the surface. TRP is not only about going to the gym, alpha/betas, SMV and whatnot. It's a true self-improvement lifestyle as a whole. It's pure knowledge, and it's really, really empowering.
Cheers and thanks to the mods and endorsed contributors for making this place a reality.
If you're not improving you are deteriorating. There is no stasis.
This is absolute truth. The age old lie of "be happy with what you have and where you are" is to condition us to accept mediocrity. So long as we are satisfied, we are stagnant. If you want something, do the work necessary to get it, don't blow it off as a dream you'll never achieve.
You never stop learning and improving yourself, theres no single moment you will be perfectly content all of a sudden.
One important thing I took from this is that the purple pill is dangerous; more seductive than the red pill with its social implications of alienation, and more effective than the sniveling servitude of the blue pill, but an incomplete truth. A half truth that leads to the kitchen, but gets you a pop tart rather than a steak.
The purple pill is full "ignore the man behind the curtain". Lift, dress well, be confident, etc, are vital but let's not talk about the fundamental reasons why they are vital.
I argued with a mod of the purple pill about TRP once. One of his problems he had with TRP was there was no discussion allowed on TRP. I said that was stupid because people go to TRP to talk about TRP concepts, not to argue if TRP is right or wrong. Its like going to a church during mass and saying god isint real. The people in church have already accepted gods existence and dont want to prove it to every dickhead that walks in. And then ironically he banned me for the same problem he had with TRP, no discussion allowed.
I don't think purplepill is a big deal at all. They hardly have any subscribers. Look at their front page and the oldest post is old as heck.
purplepill can be found in formerly redpill writers softening the message to sell more, e.g. Mark Manson. Dude knows what he's talking about, but has feminized the advice enough that you see girls sharing his articles on social media. I don't blame him, and he does have a good perspective if you can distill the main message out of the politically correct watered down version.
Exactly, its about the distortion of reality. The pill is not about being palatable or friendly.
Thanks for not letting what happened to the seduction subreddit happen here. It's been a lot of work for the mods, but damn has it ever been worth it.
You're welcome! And yes, that has been our main driving factor- avoid that demise!
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Me too. I've remarked several times about how close I was to driving my car over a bridge. Now I don't even consider it.
I only have two things in this world.
My word, and my balls.
And I don't break em for anybody.
Let's take the world back Brothers.
My favorite line: "I always tell the truth, even when I lie."
I get a kick out of the fact that we started after all those other subs (SRS, 2XC, etc.) then thoroughly raped them in subscriber growth.
I still remember the day we passed r/feminism at ~29k subs. Couldn't have been more than a year ago.
I don't post much here anymore, but I still read often. This place is my roots. It's where I got the inspiration to start my own blog. And I give credit where credit is due.
Here's to the next 100k boys
FUCK. I laughed so hard at that. We raped the feminist subreddits.
They have 2.2M subs but that's bcz its a default sub and a way for all women to feel special.
Pretty incredible that /r/Feminism is less than half our size though.
I think the anger and outrage at the feminine-driven mainstream advice helps us in a subtler way too - by being outcast as "hateful misogynists", we turn inwards and form tighter bonds as a community. When members are exiled from a tribe for farcical reasons, they bond together into a new tribe formed around the ideals that they were rejected for and become an opposing group. In the next few years I can see the manosphere growing into a serious social player, disrupting the mainstream advice with our superior understanding of the dating and mating dynamic.
I'm already hearing blue pill dialogue being hijacked by vocal RP-like opinions here in the UK and if the trend continues we could see real disruption in the web of lies that have been built up around women in the last 6 decades.
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misogynist = rejecting the feminine imperative in favour of your own
This. This, so much.
Matriarchy plays in favor of feminine imperative.
Patriarchy does so in ours (masculine imperative?)
With definition, every man who values himself and strive to live a decent life for himself is a mysogynistic prick.
Today the SJWs weep
SJWs do nothing but cry. Pathetic people.
I am relatively new here. I bear no ill will toward blue or purple pillers - I don't want to bang as many women as I can, and I am ok with LTR's and want them to work - Which means that I have to admit the reality that I see around me exists, and live within it. And that's what TRP represents.
It's a simple way to look at the world and stop being confused about how to deal with each of the genders. It's what is happening, and cuts through the universal shit test that is modern society. It is a test, and not everyone is supposed to pass it.
The red pill is that moment in Fight club where the big guy trying to join the group is told to leave the doorstep of the house, and turns to go. Ed Norton's character comes up to him and tells him that you are supposed to stay, that it's all part of the test to take the abuse and keep going in order to prove yourself. That's the red pill for me. It made all the contradictory messages into a single narrative.
No one outside of here is going to tell you that it's ok to be an alpha. Not unless they are selling you something. I've been sex need shamed all my life, despite it being a need tied to my happiness. In fact I have been happiness shamed all my life as well. I've fought depression over it. I've not turned to help when I have needed it.
I finally got some help and a community that will help me to accept that who I really am is not only acceptable, but preferable than the guy that I let the world turn me into. I have acted like an alpha, and not acted like an alpha, and the woman that I am with at the time has always preferred the alpha. And I have always preferred to be that guy.
And deep down it is what I am. And I will not fucking pretend otherwise anymore.
For anyone to imply that RedPill observations and advice are and have always been mainstream is simply bullshit. We would not be growing this fast if this was the case. TRP would not have changed our lives this much if it was the case. And most of all, I look around me at a generation of men who are helpless against the manipulations of women and unable to properly manage relationships because they have been handed a fork to eat soup with.
The hate we get is not because we express anger. It is because we have uncovered truths that can shift power away from the feminine imperative. If the women and white-knights who criticize us really took a moment to look around themselves, they would realize that the feminine imperative has ironically landed women in a situation that is making them miserable as well. In the real world, TRP is positive for men and women.
Thanks for the great job you mods are doing and yes, let’s not loose our edge. We are not here to make sure people don’t get offended. We are here to talk about truth, and in the current excess of political correctness, truth can’t help but be offensive.
It's unreal how different I've become after 2+ years of theredpill; I think the main impact its had is not even girls really, but mainly social competence. Just standing your ground and being firm but polite makes a huge difference in how you are perceived and in the outcomes you get in life.
Being much more aware of feminism, traditional values and the current climate of political correctness has also had a hand in constructing my worldview and my opinions on a wide range of subjects.
I still have a long way to go, but I've come so far.
I'm not sure TRP is positive for women.
It is uncovering the lies in our society. The observation that "true love" really means "how much he loves me and will tolerate my bullshit and support me".
This is 100 000 men (plus the viewers without accounts) who will no longer believe "I am sick of being fucked by losers and now want to settle down in my post wall years for a sexle... I mean true love relationship!".
A guy exposed to TRP will make and keep the women around him happier because he understands them. Even if the motivation is selfish, it's better for both sides than what exists now.
Good point - if you choose a LTR.
Women set the price of sex. If the price of sex is marriage and long term commitment, they can shift the needle back towards happiness. We are simply following incentives.
No. Absolutely not.
It's a negotiation. The price of sex is never higher than men will pay, or it wouldn't happen.
The price to high SMV men is vastly lower than it is to low SMV men.
Point being: shop around, get the best cost/benefit deal you can find. Never exchange an appreciating asset (you) for a depreciating one (her). If men lower the price they'll pay (their whole fucking lives), women will accommodate them in time.
Ah, interesting, but you discount the power of a cartel colluding. Societal shaming used to create an artificial cartel around the price of sex, which was marriage. That cartel was disbanded by the sexual revolution, so now the price has been lowered because of fierce competition. But the sellers still ultimately control the market.
I was recently diagnosed with Severe Clinical Depression and I am now seeing a CBT therapist on a regular basis.
TRP has been helping more to fend off my Depression and better my Life than therapy and all the self help books that I have read in the past.
TRP to me it's not about picking up women, but it's a way of life, and since I am a man, a way of life is also sexual strategy, a strategy where the focus is me, and not anyone else.
While I have been lurking for a very long time, this post hit home, and hit home big especially the part where it says:
That is me: I was raised, educated, and self taught to be the Master of Blue Pill. I was the best of the best at Blue Pill.
And I got fucked!
I don't follow 100% of TRP blindly and that is not the only resource and tool in my recovery from Depression or in Life, if I followed TRP 100% blindly and as my only source I would be treating it like a cult, and a cult it's not. If anything TRP is the anti-cult, TRP tells everyone to look at reality for what it is, and trying to un-learn the bullshit we have all brainwashed with and that is not part of our unconscious nature; but the two, our beliefs and reality are in constant stark contrast; if it was just once it could be considered a fluke, twice a glitch in the Matrix, but the issue is that those fantasies and reality are in constant disagreement, as they should be, they are fantasies after all. Beam me up Scotty has great entertainment value, but that's all it is, till then I have to walk or drive or Uber where I want to go. And I know where I want to go, and I now know how to get there.
The anger phase of trp is a motivating factor for the change you need to make. Eventually your realize that the real problem is you and that you aren't the victim here but instead you're just an idiot for listening to shitty advice from women who want to see you subdued or controlled. So if any of you see someone new with a lot of anger help guide instead of shame him for it.
Thanks for the post RPS and thanks for keeping this dark corner of the internet open for people like me.
I embrace the anger, let the hate flow!
Political correctness is just another word for feminine/feminized speech, it is overly sensitive (if not passive-aggressive), vague, tepid and indecisive, lacking the boldness and conviction of masculine speech. Men are not afraid to offend, and can handle with stoicism the discomfort his words might give others.
A "cheers" and a "here here" for your notion that the Red Pill sub should remain politically incorrect!
Beautiful, meaningful, insightful post, brother. Two years ago I thought I was a smart guy, a masters and a degree in science, the my wife of 10 years files for divorce and I learned that I was the most naive idiot out there. People looked at me and they didn't even see a person. They saw a tool that may or may not be useful. And if I had no use, I was discarded as carelessly as a broken saw blade. So yes, I was angry, I had every right to be angry at a society that told me to be naive and expect everything to work out. I was following a set of rules, only to find out no one else even bothered to read the damned thing. That's why I think your insight is right, we were smart idiots. Smart because we diligently studied and turned in our homework when no one else did, idiots because no one was grading it, and the test would be how much the teacher liked us.
No one should be upset or offended at the anger we find here. We don't have to encourage it, but we do need to support its development into understanding. Don't bottle that up, use it as fuel to drive progress. Everyone deserves that. To take the purplepill stance that all you need to do is dress better is ludicrous. You will be the same fem conditioned nice guy pushover in a better suit. And you will get the same shitty results you always have. The anger reminds us that we don't have to be nice guys, that we don't have to play by other people's rules. Anyone who truly hates women wouldn't be on here trying to better understand them. And if the advice wasn't affective women wouldn't give a shit because it would screen out the misogynists. What scares them the most is that it works. Being a jerk works. And now the smart nice guy future betas in waiting are starting to figure that out, and adjust their own strategy accordingly. We are smart, we can change, and we can be successful.
I agree with you 100%. The barber shop of yesterday, the poker game and any other gathering of men is not politically correct or devoid of hate. We as men hate on each other on a daily basis. We are trying to break each other down, just busting balls or trying to educate.
In this modern world, men need a place to vent, share, complain, ponder and learn without the fear of persecution from society. The Red Pill is that place.
100K that's amazing. This sub is changing my life, I can't say thanks enough.
I am one of the new members, having discovered TRP a couple of months ago.
At this time, I have no successful field reports or "rags to riches" story to share, like many that I read here.
But for the first time in my adult life, I feel like I'm looking at the world through clear lenses, as though a veil has been lifted from my eyes, and I owe that to the red pill.
A bitter truth is always better than a beautiful lie. Keep being politically incorrect, you bastards :)
Isn't it crazy the recurring themes you see in movies when watching them through an rp lens?
Go watch jerry Maguire when you get a chance. If you have seen it pre rp, it will not even be the same movie the second time around
All my adult life I've felt like a caveman (not the GEICO kind), an outcast in a feminized, overly sensitive, blue pill world. The few months I've been on this sub have felt like home.
I'm also continually impressed by the consistent quality of the posts on this sub.
Keep it up!
Doesn't seems like much, but after being told all my life I am not enough, this stroke a cord.
Thanks for your awesome RPS, all the mods and all the people that make this sub possible.
Anger phase is just that -- a phase. And it is important. If you missed it, you are doing it wrong.
Well said man. I liken your speech to the idea that you don't see atheists catering their message to appease the religious imperative. Being politically correct is how you AVOID making a difference.
Just felt this would be a good time to say thanks. I found trp back when it was around 10k subscribers, and never imagined it would grow this big. You all helped me to save my life when I needed it most. This is the value of a male space, and why we cannot afford to temper it!
Thanks RedPillSchool, GayLubeOil, Illimitable Man, et al
I just got an ah-ha moment: changing yourself to please the feminine doesn't necessarily mean changing yourself to please women directly, personally. If you change yourself to please politically correct feminine or feminist ideas that guys who run society or media helped spread you are still appeasing to the feminine, or in other words, supressing your masculinity without any personal interaction or direct contact with women.
As someone in this thread mentioned:
Lots of deleted posts.
just curious - spam, fema-marxist attacks, or self deleted?
When it says Deleted it means a mod is hard at work getting rid of mostly concern trolls and bluepill feminists who don't know the way to Purplepilldebate.
Perfect.
Women have often told me that men should be "more sensitive", more "sharing" and should "evolve". (Into what?)
At that point I tell them that women are socialized to be normative in a group ("We're all equal here, right?"), then compete for status - usually by "stabbing each other in the back instead of coming at them head-on" ¹. Men are socialized to explicitly strive for status and will, in time, find groups and friends while doing so ².
At that point, the discussion goes back to complaints about men not being "Evolved" and how they should be behaving more like women. That men should step down and "be just like us" - conforming to the socialization that women consider normal.
The answer: "So, what you're saying is that you want men to 'evolve' into transvestites?"
The reactions are priceless.
Remember this argument the next time you get hectored for being yourself.
¹ This from my wife (believe it or not), who made her way in corporate before moving on to academia.
² Deborah Tannen's "You Just Don't Understand - Men and Women in Conversation" has a great, readable background section on this. Most of her stuff is pretty self-help-ish, but this (her first book) has a good background/scientific literature development and draws on her research background.
I used to brag to girls about how I was in touch with my feminine side. What a fucking retard...
I'm guessing that line got you laid quite a bit, huh? =P
I only laugh because I was once that dumb fag, too.
I feel you. I used to proudly tout to women I was a feminist (and I was one).
How did that work out for you? Did they ask you go watch Twilight with them?
Welcome home brother.
My only issue with the anger posts is that there are so many of them. Drowns everything out and most of them are blue pill mad and think they can change women and make them "accountable." These posts crowd out a lot.
We have been working to remove all but the best quality posts so that won't be a problem.
Excellent. The advice here is amazing.
And you all have been doing a superb job. I've seen a noticeable improvement in overall quality from a few months ago to now.
Thanks mods. Mad respect.
Sidenote: I am excited to see where this will go. It's plain to see that this knowledge will not stop spreading.
If men are angry, it is for good reason. We need to hear more about it. We want to hear why. There is no shame in it. If women feeeeeeeeeel scared by male anger, they need to stop making us angry. We are as we are. And we shall not be tamed any longer.
Mostly it is men who were duped by women and society, and then shat upon from a great height when it suited those same women and society. (Make no mistake - society as both women and men will enforce your so-called obligations towards a woman and/or children to absolve themselves of having to do it).
We need to hear the anger. These are the stories that make change happen. The anger is rational and justified. The fear of this anger is also justified - and let this also drive change. The cause of the anger needs to be addressed.
I will hear of no more complaints that woman causes man to be angry, and that it is the man's fault for being angry. No. This needs to stop. Woman causes man to be angry, man is angry, and the anger is good. Don't like it? Scared? Don't like the consquences? Good. Don't cause it.
More Anger Please.
I'm out of the anger phase and it clogs the subreddit. I already know why. Its my fault for believing that shit in the first place.
The sub isn't useful, especially since we hit 100k.. Focus on personal development.
Good for you.
But it's not your fault for believing it. You had literally no other points of view on which to draw your information from. The world (parents, society, girls, girls you dated) gave you no other information on which to base your decisions. You were lied to so much and so consistently why would you even question it?
And from your position of powerlessness if you did question it, you were painfully attacked and the tiny shred of attention and validation you had was whipped away from you to be replaced with fear and social excommunication.
Do not blame yourself for this. For that is to forgive the perpetrators. And believe me, they have not earned your forgiveness.
I don't want to sugar coat reality, pretend things are not as they are, or protect others from the glory of the journey.
The anger does not clog this sub - it is the bedrock of this sub.
When there is no more male anger in the world, then is the time to stop talking about it. Not before.
I'm responsible for everything that I choose to believe in. Its Beta to not take responsibility. Nor will women change. Its biology. Its like blaming the sun for rising.
I agree with taking full personal responsibility.
I see it as partly our job to educate men about the reality of life. Too many men get caught up in romance and idealism and end up divorce-raped, separated from their children, living in poverty and misery. And worst of all: blaming themselves.
This needs to stop, and stop for good. The end starts with angry men telling their stories of being misled from the start and betrayal at the end of their relationships and marriages with women.
First post on this subreddit. I have read everything on here for the past several months. The sidebar first and then the valid posts by quality members thereafter. It's nice to be out of the matrix. I applaud and thank you and the rest of the mods and valuable contributors. To your opening statement and to this entire piece I salute you with one of my favorite quotes: "In veno veritas". Well stated my brother... I am also proud to be a part of this community. It's an honor to be counted among men of the highest quality. Let us not forget da Vinci's statement and in my opinion the biggest theme of red pill philosophy: “One can have no smaller or greater mastery than mastery of oneself.”
"I suspect...that the people who have found their way here were smarter than average, but severely mislead."
This statement proves how insightful and correct you are. This is exactly my situation and it is because of this sub-reddit that I'm past my anger stage and am able to study objectively. I am still a student of TheRedPill and I can't wait to get to class every single day.
Honestly, after a year and a half here, I can say that in retrospect, finding this sub was the most significant event of my entire life.
great post.
its funny - I really enjoy purplepill just for debating shit (I'm a debate-whore) but i write with as much vitriol there as here, and often get "PC'ed" or "tone police" or "concern trolled" even from self-proclaimed pillmen. Fuck all that.
This sub has provided me with the forum to just call shit as it is. I can't fucking say anything I say here in real life, under pain of SJW stoning that pervades all aspects of life.
I remember starting out here because there was a certain something that wasn't right. Reading a lot of the info here while going from mil to civ and seeing things for what the are has changed me in many ways this whole year...and I wouldn't have it any other way.
TRP's not just a game-and-tactics haunt and it certainly isn't some hive mind--it's full of jerks that are quick to tell you "You done goofed" and they're more than happy to explain how to go about it.
That is, if you want to know in the first place.
Thanks for holding strong and keeping the truth stronger, fellas!
Couldn't have said it any better myself. In all walks of life (and not just TRP), many, many people have been patient with us as we develop and grow. We must provide the patience that those before us had to those in front of us.
It feels like it was only yesterday that i came across this subreddit, and Had my first Field experience after swallowing the pill. Looking back at it it is the best thing that happen it my life.
The one misconception i realized amongst those who oppose TRP is that its a " Women bashing group". But the reality is that it is not. Especially for me. TRP for me is about improving myself, focusing on my self, take all those wasted energy i used to pursue skirts on putting it on my own improvement. TRP is not about chasing women, its about improving yourself, and be a better man.
I just want to thank the mods, the experienced RP who post and comment useful advices, and most of all the married RP who post their experience being married and how to have a RP relationship.
And for those who recently joined, let me share this with you my golden number 1 rule i made after my first field trip "Value Yourself more than the one you trying to get on with".
Thanks everyone, for waking me up.
Many of us here love being around women, and enjoy the company of them. It's just that we no longer tolerate a single drop of their shit, and let it be known that they have no control over us.
"In this life-long fight, to be waged by every one of us singlehanded against a host of foes, the last requisite for a good fight, the last proof and test of our courage and manfulness, must be loyalty to truth — the most rare and difficult of all human qualities. For such loyalty, as it grows in perfection, asks ever more and more of us, and sets before us a standard of manliness always rising higher and higher."
Happy milestone, TRP
"And sometimes that means that no matter how many promises you or they make, no matter how much sense commitments and honor makes to try- people will follow what makes them happy. (And worthy of note, most people don’t know what it is that makes them happy, so they follow the short term happiness, even to the detriment of long term happiness.)"
I have been attempting to get across this point in various posts with little success.
Men are the Artists.
We DEFINE how we experience situations by how we Frame ourselves.
What we find Beautiful and pleasing, those things that bring about a sense of "Happiness" for a male are not provided by the Matrix. In fact, if we accept the Matrix ideals we will be entirely miserable Slaves.
Red Pill is deep stuff. It's changing your perceptions. It's becoming the Master rather than the Slave.
This community is the only internet group that has had an actual positive influence on me in real life.
I'd still be a sniveling little bitch that lifts for shit if I hadn't stumbled here two years ago. So thanks for that.
THANK YOU for the hard work of taking TRP this far! I found this forum the day I decided to plan my escape. My plans were to cash in my chips and move to the Philippines. I would find some cheap place with a great view and an internet connection so I could develop software remotely. After some sampling, I would settle down with a woman who would treat me right.
During my internet searches exploring the viability of this prospect, I stumbled across a few derogatory articles about "The Red Pill" as it pertains to butt-hurt chauvinists who get off on treating women like shit. After the 3rd or 4th reference to this Matrix metaphor I started searching on the term. The rest, as they say, is history.
I lurked, I scoffed, I read more, I got angry, I denied, I watched around me, I listened more, I lurked some more...
THEN I TOOK ACTION IN MY OWN LIFE.
TRP changed the kind of father I am to my children. It changed the kind of husband I am to my wife. It changed the kind of employee I am to my employer.
Most of all, it helped me realize that I own the direction of my ship. If my ship crashes on the rocks, I can blame the damage on the tides, shores, or the hull. OR, I can blame the damage on how I captained my ship.
For the record, my wife is happier, my kids are happier, and my career velocity improved.
Congratulations on the 100k milestone. May the unplugging continue!!!
Damn right. Taking responsibility for your actions makes all the difference in the world!
Mark Manson had a similar point in one of his website essays: "Call me crazy, but I believe that changing and improving your life requires destroying a part of yourself and replacing it with a newer, better part of yourself. It is therefore, by definition, a painful process full of resistance and anxiety. You can’t grow muscle without challenging it with greater weight. You can’t build emotional resilience without forging through hardship and loss. And you can’t build a better mind without challenging your own beliefs and assumptions."
This is why so many can't handle the Red Pill; they can't challenge their own beliefs and assumptions, as it's too uncomfortable to do so.
Thank you RPS. Thank you for teaching thousands of men the wisdom their fathers failed to. Thank you for guiding us down a road that society refuses to admit exists. You're doing a righteous thing here, and it must require saintly patience to moderate this boisterous group of boys and men. On behalf of the thousands of new members, thank you for being the unwavering foundation this community needs.
It's getting tiresome manually approving your posts. Are you shadow-banned?
Uh, maybe? It would explain why nobody ever seems to upvote or reply to anything I write. I did get shadowbanned from purplepilldebate debate a few months ago.
Individual subreddit moderators cannot shadowban. Only Reddit Admins can do that, and it's a Reddit-wide shadowban; nothing you post on any sub anywhere will ever bee seen, period. You might as well make a new account at this point, because this one is eternally fucked.
Well shit. That's what I get for being an offensive shitlord. I probably should have looked up exactly what shadowban was before wasting my time posting stuff.
It's when you think you are posting but nobody except mods can see your posts. It makes us manually approve your shit and it's a pain in the ass. I personally hate it, but it's fully on the Reddit admins. Another sub's mods might have bitched to the admins about your shitlording.
Whatever. I made a new TRP account, wolfNshepherd. I'm gonna write up a quick field report and reintroduce my shitlordery to the community. Note to self: don't post anywhere the spooky Reddit admins might be lurking.
Thanks for helping me clear this up.
Forgot about the waiting period. I'll repost my field report next week. At least I can comment now. Thanks again for manually approving those comments of mine. I know you're a busy dude and I really appreciate you sifting through all the piles of bullshit that you must have to deal with on a daily basis.
TRP is the family I never had.
Congrats!!! This sub has revealed so many things to me. Most of which were harsh and bitter truths, but as I continue my journey in life I am grateful.
I was lost and now I am found. I cannot thank the mods, endorsed contributors, and community enough for opening my blind eyes. I have a mission and I'm gradually take control of every aspect of my life and subtly spreading the RP way to my friends and brothers.
I love this subreddit because we are able to easily find like-minded individuals here. In the real world it takes a vetting process, with the concepts and theories I have learned here on TRP it has not only strengthened my bond with my close friends, but also has shown me what to look for in my mentors. Those successful people with the drive, no bullshit, demanding attitude that used to drive me away now pulls me in. I seek to learn how they made their success, emulate and integrate what works for me.
However much balanced most of us are, we NEED the anger and the hatred of other TRP-ers here. Keeps us vigilant and balances the infinite stimuli out there of the other extreme: feminism and alpha-shaming shits.
You all are super critical and unapologetic when responding to posts and that's why I keep coming back. Keep up the good work all of you. Let's put our 2014 selves to shame and improve every way we can now.
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Awesome! Now let's write the book!
It's coming :D
I discovered this subreddit at the age of 16, at autumun/fall 2014. From that moment up until now in these months I wouldn't say my life changed "DRASTICALLY" but you sure as hell changed me as a person DRASTICALLY and how I view things and how I interact with things. This is what I needed in my life, this is what was missing. I would like to thank you dearly for that, aswell as all the trp endorsed posters, cheers m8s!
As a 30 year-old male, I can say that it's incredibly wonderful to see young teennagers such as yourself finding this information. The world will be a better place for it. Keep up the hard work!
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Indeed, will turn 17 this summer but I just cringe hard reading old texts I sent.. I was kind of floating between beta and omega (I assume omega is inbetween alpha and beta), neither of which are particularly good.
An alpha offers tingles, a beta offers stability, an omega offers neither. While alpha and beta aren't mutually exclusive, omega is the absence of female interest for any reason.
Then I guess I was just a beta faggot who liked to sit on his ass and play videogames all day instead of using my weird metabolism to my advantage in lifting
Thank you all, gentlemen. I found this sub through a /r/deadbedrooms situation, I was nearly hopeless and broken down - didn't know where to turn or what to do and this place has helped me turn my life around 100 fold. I'll be the first to admit, that it's difficult to accept the truth and kill that beta, but that constant improvement and motivation I get from all of you keeps me going. Reading your stories and your perceptions on the topics discussed here really has changed my life and it's only going to get better. Keep up the good work RPS and Mod team - as well as IM and all of the endorsed contributors who constantly post up great lessons and show us the truth.
Its been almost a year since I started reading TRP out of the frustration and failure I had in my life and this subreddit has turned my life around. My salary has more than doubled, I have vastly improved in social skills and fitness and gave become more respected and successful in almost every thing.
So seriously...THANK YOU.
/u/RedPillSchool and any other TRP mods, if you're ever in NYC, PM me. Want to catch up and buy you guys a few drinks as a thank you!
I am indebted to everyone here. This place is a real male space, without bullshit, without bullies and without all the hand-wringing NAWALT nonsense. It cuts straight to the core of how people, men and women, work.
I needed the kind of kick in the ass this place gave me. I think a lot of men do. My life has improved immeasurably because of it. I've had sex with more women. Attacked the weight room with renewed purpose. Rediscovered my hobbies and interests. I eat better. I live better.
This place has opened up a whole new world to me, one without boundaries or rules. Thanks, guys.
12 months ago, I found this subreddit from seduction. I was depressed, suffered from anxiety, my LTR was completely running rule and it was driving me insane. I didn't think I'd go this far down in life.
12 months on from that day,life isn't perfect. Far from it. It's still crazy. But you know what, I'm not scared anymore. I have the tools, or the means to acquire the tools, to handle anything.
One year is nothing but a drop in an ocean. When putting in hard work to change yourself, the growth occurs exponentially. It starts slowly, then eventually snowballs, and all of the work starts to pay off, right before your eyes!
Trp helped me overcome my gaming addiction and replaced it with lifting, for that I'm forever grateful.
Thanks trp, I hope you thrive even more
Found this place Fall 2013. Crucified the Beta, still working on keeping it away.
Thank You for this Digital Locker Room of and for Men. I can't take advice nearly from any other person/place now. The Red Pill exposes all the crap.
The World is full of lies, and I didn't know how bad it was! Let's follow down the rabbit hole, and see just how deep it goes.
I just want to say a quick thank you to this sub and everyone involved. you guys changed my life for the better and those lessons will stick with me for life. thank you.
This is awesome, and thanks for the post-- it puts me a bit at ease. I've recently noticed a lot of concern trolling and entryism on the threads, and I was worried that the moderation had become lax or, worse, infiltrated. This post signals that we're still going in the right direction. Thanks.
We usually do our best to track down and remove anything of the sort. But what really helps is if you click report on anything resembling that.
I considered doing so, but I wasn't sure if it would do anything. I usually just call them out so more people will be aware.
Will report in the future.
Amen brother. You and the other big-time posters here should be fucking proud. This place changed my life completely over the last year, and I'm sure I'm not alone.
Just want to say thanks also. TRP has fundamentally changed my outlook on how to become a better man.
My body, my place of residence. I prettty much owe every improvement I've made in life in the last year to waking up to myself. If it wasn't for TRP I'd probably still be in the second-rate relationship I was in, not hitting the gym regularly and just not trying to get better at life.
TRP has led me into many new experiences and helped me de-stress about the world, and has shifted my focus from women to myself. I'm the primary agent in my happiness and that makes it my duty to make me happy.
Thanks for sharing. Here's to 100,000 members.
Cheers!
Amazing to see a subreddit so hated regularly have posts reaching 1000 upvotes.
Only 6000 more and we can reach /r/MensRights subscribers.
I think the key lies in these three statements.
I do agree with RPS that most here are above average intelligence (or at least are perceptive) for noticing a disconnect between reality and what we were told. It also takes strength to reject the system we've been taught. Above all, I think a Red Piller who has given the ideas here any thought is an idealist. They want a better version of themselves, their relationships, and the world around them. The disconnect between that ideal and reality leaves a shocking gap.
We were told what reality was by ads, TV, films, our families, the girls we dated, and our friends. It didn't work. The anger comes from being deceived, tricked, and sold a batch of pretty lies. Often our ego was invested in these things, and it has been shattered. It often rocks us to our core, and threatens the personalities of who we thought we were.
I do find the anger here unpalatable at times. I'm rarely angry any longer, so it can seem abrupt to me. However, in light of anyone's discovery of the RP and journey through it, I do realize that anger is completely understandable.
It's unfortunate that anyone would feel that way, but I see the anger as a positive symptom of growth.
Hell no. Pragmatist, yes. We accept reality and deal with it, make the best of it. Idealists hold onto their utopian dreams and quibble about every little infraction/imperfection.
I am just on the verge of leaving the house and meeting up for a drink with a prospect.
What better moment could there be to thank you for the good work running and maintaining this place both for me and all other men who lack orientation and a positive identity.
It might be myself, who's ultimately responsible for the bettering of myself for the last couple of months, but I definetly wouldn't be where I am, if it wasn't for TRP.
I'll raise my glas to you, the rest of the crew, everybody who brings value to this place, everybody who still struggles with himself and the world, but keeps going, and to the next 100.000 when I am with that girl in an hour.
Thanks for the ride, keep your heads high and never give up.
I only recently discovered The Red Pill, but in the short week I've been reading the change in my life has been amazing. I naturally have TRP tendencies, but social constructs were still leading me astray and confusing me as to why I'd have major success sometimes and none at all during other times. I'm a person that needs to understand why something works the way it does, or I fail miserably at it. Just that it does, isn't enough. Before TRP I would have never understood so many things. For example, yesterday I was talking to one of my plates(a term I had no idea existed until TRP) and she decided to tell me that she would snowball me if I came in her mouth. I let her know that I'd swirly the fuck out of her in the nearest toilet if she ever tried it, and she fucking loved it and got even more turned on. Before TRP, I'd have never understood why this works, why my lack of caring is so attractive.
The Red Pill is the place to learn why I was only successful half of the time. Why the "ideal" man I had turned myself into wasn't matching the outcome it should have. There are so many things I've read here that just turned the power on when I read them... And from what I've learned in life, when the lightbulb gets turned on it's almost always that I've learned the truth of something when trying to understand.
I look forward to more posts from you guys. Feed my insatiable thirst for knowledge, and drive to remove the programming.
Well done guys. And thanks for creating this lighthouse that leads those lost at sea, back to shore.
YES! That was exactly my experience. I had success about half of the time, and now I realize why. I've only been on here for only a short time although I learned PUA a few years ago. That really helped, but it didn't really explain why it worked. And beyond all the advice, information, and philosophical discussions, (all of which I love) this forum has given me something I had never encountered before, in 38 years of life - there are 100,000 men on here who are FUCKING PROUD OF BEING MEN!!!
Thank you brothers. I'm proud to be one of you.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Aww our very own RPS is sentimental! As someone who has tried and failed at starting an online community, I realise and appreciate the effort the mod team has put into this sub. Seeing this beloved community grow from a few hundred to 100,000 is heart warming in a way.
Thank you and let's continue our journey towards self betterment brothers!
Hey, that was heartfelt and I am happy that TRP has reached 100,000. A sincere congrats.
I have to point out though that there's an inconsistency in your reasoning above, and thus with TRP in general, that bothers me.
You write these two contradictory statements nearly back to back. I tend to agree with the latter statement and think that the latter is the point of TRP. It's why I'm drawn to it.
But how can you make it consistent with the idea of shaping yourself to appease women? Because isn't that what getting fit or being stoic is about?
Modifying your product to meet demand is one way to satisfy your sexual prerogative, there are many strategies that don't involve that- such as MGTOW. The point is that we are doing so on our terms. Obviously at the end of the day, if they're not buying what you're selling, you can either pack up and go home, or modify the product some more.
The idea that we won't be bending to appease women is specifically in our speech, our strategies, and discussion on TRP. If you have good game, you might satisfy both yourself and your woman in a relationship- there's nothing wrong with that.
The difference is with the former statement, we should changing our behavior to be more successful and get what we want.
In the latter, we shouldn't be changing our behavior to be less successful and give women what they want.
Both are logically consistent TRP strategies.
Thank you man.
I would like to share my experience here. I am in my mid 20s, from India, a strange paradox of conservatism and severe blue pill tendencies. Even though I am extremely smart I still ended fucking things up in my life because of my conditioning. Then trying to find answers I stumbled upon TRP. I remember it was like finding the keys to my inner self. I had locked that shit out after my childhood and went along with society's plan. It took time to sink in but I did not have an anger phase possibly because somewhere deep down I always knew this to be true. I had always been an extreme introvert who ruminated a lot on things and went through obscure religious and philosophical texts trying to find the answer. I finally realized that the answer was to do a 5x5 strength training routine. I have been at it for 6 months and seeing great gains. Heavy Deadlifts make me feel alive and ready to tear shit up. That confidence has spilled in all areas of my life. Approaching women has become like a game even though I end up getting blown out a lot. I am not ego invested in things any more (except my lift numbers haha). Most importantly I wake up everyday with a smile , ready to conquer. Sincere Thanks to everyone at TRP.
Cheers boys. Let's hope for another 100k within the year.
Can you elaborate on this part more for me, please? I relate to this part immensely because I have a very logical/analytical mind, and I feel like this really distances myself from connecting with my family members. Thanks!
Read up on Machiavellianism, and anything written by /u/illimitableman
I meant more like - Am I wrong for acting logical and analytical? Is me being logical and analytical hindering me from connecting with my family? Would I be better off not acting this way so that I would have better relationships with them? Or do I just need to learn how to act logical/analytical in a certain manner so that it works really well for us (my family and I) both?
I mean that's a question only you could answer. The fact is, I find myself more analytical than most people. In fact, most people would say I over-think. The common trope I hear is that I'm "thinking too much" and I'm "getting in my own way" that I should just stop thinking and do things.
I couldn't disagree more. My analytic skills are my best quality. I process things in my head all the time, until I am satisfied I have found the best answer or course of action. And it's brought me a great amount of success, despite what the haters say.
At the end of the day, you have to do what works for you. You can't just change who you are. You need to learn to accept who you are and use it to your advantage. I am logical and I think everything through. I usually like to plan out situations in my head three or four moves in advance- including anticipating other people's actions and reactions. It's just how I am. Some people may think it's ineffective or inefficient, but fuck 'em. I get what I want out of life, and I'm sure as hell not going to leave my fate up to chance. I'm going to do what I need.
Now acting logically, I tend to embrace Machiavellianism, because I may betray my own thoughts and feelings with my actions, but I do so to get specifically what I want from those around me. I think I've come to the conclusion that people like me simply have to embrace this, because it's something that most people do naturally anyway (without thinking about it).
Yes.
Depends where your values lie.
You need balance, certainly.
This article will be relevant to you:
http://illimitablemen.com/2015/02/08/machiavellian-thinking-vs-conventional-logic/
I'm having a drink myself (gin with ice). 100k subs, nice. (Lifts glass). To TRP. Still a newbie here and still learning, though sometimes I don't approve or have misgivings about some posts here, this sub has helped me a lot. The logic and sincerity of the post here concerning our well being as men I cannot find in any other sub. It is in this sub that I have found renewed respect for myself. In this sub I was able to stand again as a man. Not ashamed of it nor apologizing for it. I am a man. And no woman/female/lady/feminist/sjw/white knights or any other politically correct equivalent can take it from me. I am proud of it. Thank you TRP. And thank you mods. You've done a great and thankless job here in this corner of our sub, I am truly grateful. Salute. (Downs the gin)
this needs to be stickied.
edit: I know the whole post is already stickied but I also know a whole lot of people aren't going to read this in it's entirety, though they definitely should.
It´s only natural that the emotions of anger and hate will be prevalent in red pill swallowing men. This red pill rage coincide with the urge to discuss your thoughts and feelings. So no wonder there seems to be a lot of anger in this subreddit.
We need to let men vent their emotions. Because there is basically no other place where the emotions of red pill awareness can be vented, but anonymously, online, in a forum where other people understand you.
The anger will transition towards productivity and an adaptation and acceptance of how society and women function. This forum is healthy for new red pillers. They can be guided by more experienced red pillers on how to manage the mind blowing insights. They can also talk with and bond with other new red pillers. Realizing that they are not alone. They are not insane. There are tons and tons of other men who experience the same things. There are people out there who know "exactly what you are talking about".
This helps people adapt to a healthy view of life, society and relationship. Being aware of the dangers and being more thoughtful towards social interactions and thereby responsible for ones own happiness.
I am also having a glass of wine. Going out to an underground club with my kind of music and people. As well as girls about 10-15 years younger than me. Something I would be ashamed to do if I was bluepill ("I am not that type of creepy old guy" many girls will see you that way only if you feel like you are). Now I allow myself to express my emotions and realize I am not taking advantage of anyone (anymore than they might do of me at least ;)). Be pleasant woman, or gtfo!
I do what I like and don't care what family or (previous) friends think of me. Female approval seeking behaviour is also gone. Manipulative behaviour is easily spotted and gives me an instant turn-off instead of letting my feelings focus on the path which leads to the pathological rottening of the mind, aka known as the horrible disease of oneitis.
Her pussy pass is not valid in "my country".
Cheers! :) (the emoticon is a display of my emotional state, ha!)
Maybe I am getting too drunk now to post (I gues it´s a sort of disclaimer). But this makes very much sense to me atm.
One more thing about purple pillers (and bluepillers). I think people on this forum have problems with relying on self-validation rather than external validation. Trying to convince purple pillers or blue pillers about your world view is trying to be reasonable. "We" have tried this our whole life when we were blue pill and it hasn't worked. We have lived up to ideals of logic and honesty and thought that reason is above all else. Well it is (of course) but people (in general) aren't wired that way. The concept of rationality as the highest form of truth-finding is a concept thou shall not use on people in general.
Therefore, when you find yourself being defensive, defending your stance by reason, you are destined to lose. You want the validation from others who are not as rational as you (most people). You want to drag them up to your level of rationality (you want to see them as equals) but they use machiavellanism on you to establish their viewpoint as the accepted one. And they win and you lose frame.
Instead, realize that your RP awareness is an advantage that gives you a rational approach (rather than intuitive) to social interaction. Don't try to drag them up to your level of rationality. Realize that they are below you (and do not feel bad about thinking like this!) and speak to them in their native tongue. I.e "hold frame". Emotional state (confidence/amused mastery/etc...) over reason.
If you feel bad about seeing yourself as superior it is probably because you seek validation from others. You don't want to be that guy. Why not? because others might disapprove of you and you are thought of as arrogant. But those types of people have taken advantage of your rational, somewhat predictable, honest characteristics your whole life. Why seek validation from them? Don't let them now whats going on in your head. And stop seeking validation from them. Join the game instead. You can use logic and reason on forums like this. With like-minded people. Not with average Joe or average Jane.
If you add in the fact that a lot of other redpill sites in the manosphere have also thousands of frequenters, the manosphere movement is surely getting off the ground.
TBH, the red-pill is a sort of cyber-social club kind of like the stone-cutters on The Simpsons or The Flintstones: Loyal Order of Water Buffaloes". A place where guys can hangout and just be guys WITHOUT BOTHERING ANYONE ELSE. It's just a place to hangout and talk shit with the guys. The locker-room, The barber shop, Bars, Clubs , intramural sports teams, etc.. These are all places where guys can just get together and be guys!
Oh, but god forbid if cis-straight men or whatever the fuck they call us have our own "safe space" to freely talk.
TRP has no political spectrum, and it's silly to apply a system of control established by leaders of people to control the masses to something that's essentially a non-political meeting grounds of men.
To say that something is "moderate" to me comes off as "less aggressive toward women"
To say that something is "extreme" tends to be the posts where people are going really far with posts that have a dark-triad vibe to them.
Instead, I think of TRP as a sort of MARKET of THOUGHTS AND IDEAS.
A meeting grounds of all types of guys from computer geeks to businessmen to tradesmen and all different age groups/political leanings. We all exchange opinions on things, have conflicting viewpoints, and exchange information peacefully and at no cost other than your time to review the information.
TRP is disliked because we don't identify anywhere politically or morally. They're frustrated because THEY WANT US TO.
Those who can't accept the truth in its rawest form without the correctness frosting aren't worthy of accepting it.
this community is a life saver i wish some of my family members would have been able to witness this in their past..im lucky to be here..changing my course of life
Great post, one love brother.
I just joined TRP today, and I am surprised at the articulate--yet direct--level of discourse here. I didn't think I would see it from the sorts of comments I hear about TRP from the outside.
Nice soliloquy, happy to be the newest member of the red pill. Time to swallow it and see where I stack up against the other men
thanks mate, that was an awesome post I wish I'd read earlier
It's funny, I'd not visited PPD before reading about it in your post -- and so I took a detour at that point to have a look and ending up reading a few posts and making a a couple of comments, and exactly this happened to me! (have a look in my post history just before this, with twopumpkins!)
happened to me with some girl doing the hamster flip on me!. I called her on it and she's failed to reply ... hehe!
And I hadn't even got to that part of your post until after being initially diverted to PPD! So when I come back to finish reading your comment (and also having those BIG red letters removed questioning my allegiance to thing Red Pill! grrr!) and read that, laugh and continue reading this post. And it's been my pleasure reading it.
I have learned much and I thank you again for sharing it bro, TRP is not 'complete' and I hope it continues to evolve as it has. It's not perfect but it's getting pretty good!
And fuck being PC if it interferes with the Truth! Let's tell it like it is and has been, lest we forget!
I very much try to support the new guys especially those who are making an effort to "swallow the pill", as I can remember those horrid 80's and 90's and I was the odd man out, unbeknownst to me at the time, a 'dark triad' which worked in my favor but I wasn't really sure why, and even when I'd refined my 'art' of bedding babes, I wasn't able to convey to my mates what I somehow come to intuitively understand about PU women, mainly by a mixture of luck and happenstance!
What the PUA guys and the TRP did was create a new 'terminology' to discuss the things some of us knew, but neither fully 'understood why it was so' or explain it to another guy.
In my teens I think the most RP advice I ever heard was "treat 'em mean to keep em keen" and whilst I knew this was correct, I didn't have a clue why it was, and it wasn't until I hit my late 20's after much study that I began to understand the psychology behind the behavior/s and about 10yrs ago saw a copy of The Game and was blown away that someone had put into words most of the things I had learned the hard way, back in the days before everyone had mobile ph's and became active on online social mediums. Old school.
So when I heard about this sub full of 'misogynists' I just had to come and have a look, and I was blown away! I still had questions that TRP answered for me when I was 46, and it's helped me refine some every thing I do for the better
I'm glad to know their are RP stalwarts such as yourself, and others I've recently met (after lurking a while) ,, as you're correct, we ALL had to start somewhere and this place is what i wished was about when I was 'doing it hard' as a good looking confused dark triad who didn't know it! Fuck! I feel for so many of the posts I read here!
Matey, Well lubricated as you may have been, IMHO you nailed it, every word.
Thanks again for the great post
RPM
wow, I wasn't expecting such a deep read when clicking the policy changes of 2015 link. Thanks for writing this man, makes me feel like I'm not alone in how I view the world
It would have been amusing if this milestone had coincided with International Women's Day, which is four days from now.
My female coworker reminded me yesterday. I asked 'why do women need another special day?' She told me, 'it's because we give birth'.
O. M. G. I told her 'there's enough people in the World.' Wish I had a better come back.
This resonated with me in light of this article which was posted here recently about political correctness run amok.
| Binders was created to give women writers a “laid-back” and “no-pressure” environment for conversation and professional networking. ... “Suddenly you had the most powerful women in journalism and media all on the same page,” one former member, a liberal journalist in her 30s, recalls.
| Binders, however, soon found itself frequently distracted by bitter identity-politics recriminations, endlessly litigating the fraught requirements of p.c. discourse.
Hilarity ensues.
| But political correctness is not a rigorous commitment to social equality so much as a system of left-wing ideological repression. ... Political correctness makes debate irrelevant and frequently impossible.
It's good to know more people are becoming aware of TRP. A few years ago I used to think that I was utterly alone, that nobody reflected on the things I did, that nobody saw the world for what it was.
I don't mean to say I knew everything about TRP (I've only found it casually a few months ago) but hell, knowing that I wasn't alone and that actually it has been sometime since the knowledge started flowing is something that really gave me confidence to keep going.
Then I started reading (still reading the suggested books, a lot of quality and useful information there), applying everything, helping some friends to get better at their confidence at themselves with women, hitting the gym and I can say I'm enjoying my life as I had never done before.
So I think it's a good thing for the community to keep growing and to keep the good quality of information, freedom of debate and ideas. Congrats to all!
Yes. This. I was aware of the SMP and other concepts here in my own abstract way, but seeing that there was a community of people that were articulating what I had been struggling with has been amazing.
That a million times. All the feigned blue/purple concern about "hate" is just a shaming tactic to shame men out of discovering the truth about female sociosexual strategy.
Now that you mention this, it was the one thing I had a problem with as I don't think the 'average person' is either 'aware' enough or smart enough to do such a thing ---
after all, like Hansens Razor says "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." seems to fit the bill here!
Having read TRP, I pretty much don't care about friendships with women. I consider myself a lone wolf, traveling with anyone that wishes to join.
HELL YEAH BROTHERS
I've spent quite a bit of time lately pondering the causes of this. The easy go-to answer for why men are no longer taught how to be men is the divorce rate, single mothers, etc... but in my case, my father was actually around for most of my life, so the fact that I'm just now "getting it" doesn't really jive with that. Quite frankly my father, and possibly his father, although always around, were in the dark as well. Also, I've seen plenty of "natural alphas" who don't really have much for male role models in their lives so none of that really made sense.
What I've come up with that makes the most sense at this point is that what we're experiencing is the byproduct of technology. Hear me out here: women are used to comforts -- food, shelter, protection et cetera historically has always been provided to them by men. I'm not just talking about the past few thousand years, but even back to the paleolithic period or further, it has always been the men that provided for and protected the women and children. So for women, adjustment to modern comforts does not conflict with their instincts, and thus feminism is bred. Men on the other hand are not born, they are made, forged through trials, suffering and duty. When our lives became plump with technological comforts, it betrayed our instincts, and we became weak shells of what type of animal we were truly meant to be.
It seems to me that red pill theory was pretty much discovered. We observe and mimic these "natural alphas" who are really just accidentally alpha -- by today's standards, many of them far lack the ability to provide for and protect a family (hence the AF/BB we throw around here). It's a good thing we discovered it too... I think it may have been Dalrock who said that if you truly loved your woman you would learn what it takes to make her happy -- and what makes her happy is you being a real man.
In that happy post-coital acceptance stage it is easy to forget that we are at war. The anger sharpens and focuses our will. It's an eternal struggle against the gravity of poor choices, and the subversion of our will.
Do not tie your hands behind your back. Come out swinging. Life isn't going easy on you, so bring it.
Because you thought other people were as you are. That you are dealing with rational entities, able to see the big picture, play by the rules, build a community. Because you are fundamentally honest, and believe they are too.
Instead you were/are dealing with weak people putting superficial lies and half truths onto everything, lying about themselves and those around them, and using social norms to restrict others but not themselves.
TRP is almost unique in being honest that looks matter.
this. Oh my god, this. Thankyou.
I love this subreddit's moderation policies, especially the ones that have been implemented more recently. There's a fair bit of concern-trolling that the quality of TRP posts has gone down. I don't know statistically if that's true or not, or how that compares to other subreddits (quality is subjective, after all) but I do know that as a regular reader of this sub, I find high-quality posts frequently enough that I check in here frequently and always find good, insightful material to learn from.
I'm one year into my own journey from blue pill misery and I feel more optimistic about life than I ever have before.
Congrats to OP on 5 years, congrats to this community on 100,000, and I look forward to continuing to learn and grow and personally benefit from the collected wisdom of this group.
I like the anger, embrace the anger and make it yours, let it feed you, express it. Anger is healthy, is natural. If you let it build up, that's when we got a problem. Cheers for the 100,000 truth seekers.
The Kathryn Schulz TED talk 'On Being Wrong' is excellent, specifically 4:10-6:00. Being wrong feels like nothing, in fact, it feels like being right. For years, society brainwashes boys and men. The gynocentric frame of postmodern Western culture is so pervasive it envelopes us from cradle to grave. We are naturally brought up to be blue pill and it feels natural, normal, and right: just like the Matrix feels to its slaves. To use Schulz's road runner example, blue pillers are the coyote chasing the bird off the cliff. TRP allows us to look down and see how we fail, how we stepped off into oblivion, how to stop chasing the road runner off the cliff but rather become attractive enough for the road runners to chase us.
My red pill awakening started after moving to a foreign country. I had so many epiphanies it felt like my brain's physical structure was changing. I felt like I was going mad. Stumbling across TRP felt like coming home. I woke up from the deep sleep that was my American life. I wondered just how far the rabbit hole would go when I came across Moldbug and Dark Enlightenment. Not only was I entirely wrong about women, my whole view of the world needed an update. In college I was a staunch liberal progressive SJW. Today I am, well, none of those things.
It takes only 5% of people to change the other 95%. Ideas can catch like wildfire. Although TRP's mandate is personal betterment and not social change, we should remember that by changing ourselves we are changing society. People notice your example. People are inspired by what you do, how you conduct your life. There comes a tipping point when truth can't be ignored anymore. All bad ideologies have a day of reckoning, and feminism's day is approaching faster than any of us realize.
Personally, though, I come here to read what you fellows think about life. True males spaces were all but denied to me growing up. This is the best place for me to compare notes with other men. I see a lot of healthy, respectful disagreement, which I like. We are all making our way through this journey, determining the best way to spend our finite time on this earth. Congratulations to TRP breaking the 100k barrier. Slowly but surely we are winning hearts and minds.
No one knows I'm subscribed to this sub, but I felt I just have to make a post. Carry on.
The people here are definitely smarter than average, I'd say top 10% most of them (but definitely not me). Makes you wonder whether there's a connection between being really smart and being vulnerable to beta propaganda.
Sure - look at Scott Aaronson for example. Jim Donald mentioned the same thing just recently:
Read that last sentence and burn it into your memory. This is why smart people do stupid things: the smarter you are, the more intellectually able you are to rationalise stupid things.
You have to be a genius to rationalize Mormonism.
bro, that's hilarious! drink snortingly all over my computer so, you bastard!
Some aching in muscles is normal, but don't forget to stretch, dude.
It was a metaphor using doms, but thanks!
I thought your post title was referring to the magic number of income that a guy has to have to get a second glance from a woman.
You know, if you tighten your game enough, you could be homeless and unshaven and get the goods. (Well, maybe)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmav517MQJc
Now that's what I'm looking for!
I've caught myself in the last 2-3 months more than ever thinking to not make a post because it will "make us look bad." I even am now posting from a throwaway. As usual these stickies are the only place to concern troll, I echo the sentiment of your analysis of the current situation of this sub. I just hadn't been able to reason it so well in my head as you have typed it out, well done.
One thing I am currently struggling with in my life is stoicism. I found it and this subreddit at a similar time. I then lurked into objectivism, and liked some, but not all of it. Once reading on objectivism I realized that Ayn Rand perhaps is actually advocating people to leave a dying person to die, even if you can help, if it does not benefit you. I then looked into stoicism and realized stoicism is advocating to feign sympathy for friends but do not feel sympathy for them. I understand that this world view is attractive but is it fulfilling? If I am attaining a world view for political and sexual advancement am I not bending my frame to others by adjusting my frame to their preferred characteristic frame of acquaintances? But is that not what I want, to be more popular and well-received by the people I prefer the company of? Or do I want to be myself, do I want to feel emotion and all that comes with letting go?
I think I can pick and choose portions from any philosophy, I am just spending too much time with rigid intellectuals who are capable of poking holes in any philosophy. If one philosophy were so valid it would be the perfect worldview adopted by everyone.
Stoicism means not worrying about shit you cannot change.
This is psychopathy, not Stoicism. Read Meditations by Marcus Aurelius, and Letters from a Stoic by Seneca - the two authoritative books on Stoicism. They constantly emphasise caring about others.
Nature is nature. Don't look at it as people's preference, it is simply nature being expressed. Did you choose to like women? Your favourite food? Choose your hair colour? No. People have no say in the matter.
Don't like it? You can choose to live on your own.
You'll get a better philosophy out of a lumberjack than you will a philosopher.
Stop reading and start doing.
Hey man, I've read all of these books. The points I've posed are valid criticisms of the philosophy from scholars. Meditations is not an authoritative book on Stoicism but it is my preferred one like many.
I'd like to hear your elaboration on this point. It seems to be the area that keeps coming up when I talk about these subjects. Are you saying its nature being expressed through the people I am spending time with's preferred characteristic of the people they respond to? This preference is inherent to their human nature? I should then adapt my character to adhere to their preference, but is that still human nature? Conscious adaptation would be human nature, I suppose.
It's not a textbook, but it is one of the most famous and influential Stoic books, hence 'authoritative'.
I'm baffled as to how you can think this is a legit criticism if you're read the books. It is assumed you will feel sympathy and sadness but Stoicism is about sucking it up, accepting it happens, and not getting bogged down in useless over emotionality. Who says you should not feel sympathy or emotion at all?
There's not much more to say. People don't choose what they like and what they dislike, they simply discover. People have natural reactions to other people. These will have been ingrained due to evolution and can vary slightly due to culture; people's propensity to survive if they acted in X way, or survived due to sticking around Y person.
mark passio natural law seminar
My professor referred me to Natural Law when I had this discussion with him. Thank you for providing supplemental content which he didn't.
i would be interested to hear your perspectives on the seminar once youre finished
Perhaps I should submit a post here once I sort through it all.
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been following Mark Passio for a while. if you've seen his work then you're definitely ready to look up Dialogue with Hidden Hand on google.
That's an odd criticism of stoicism- can you link the argument behind that criticism?
stoicism may not give any credence to romantic love, or be airtight in its reasoning, but I've never heard that it advocates faking.. Even if you interpret it as self serving with moralizing on top, it doesn't have to be fake feeling.
I read the passages from Seneca on giving and receiving, I concluded more that it perhaps should feel better, but i thought the conclusion in context indicated something less idealistic: Seneca was a rich man with slaves, in a society where everyone discussed their belief system and the more prominent were judged on their reputation.
In this kind of society, giving to a man of virtue incurs a debt to him, and his virtue implies he will repay that publicly given gift in some form, or at least indicates a consent to loyalty. These were probably long standing bonds with practical political and martial implication. No one needed to fake anything.
Keep in mind, citizens today and citizens in Athenian society are dramatically different things. The former is everyone and the latter is a select few.
Perfectly worded for the many of us who feel the same way.
I clink my glass to you. I wish I could upvote you twice.
(Lights Cigar) Gentleman, (takes puff), to The Red Pill.
100K and growing.
no homo
It's a bit strange to me that you have this rhetoric here of not bringing to women's wishes, when literally everything about this sub (or at least your lengthy post here) is about changing your life so that you could be desirable to women...
Literally this entire sub is dedicated to figuring out how to properly play the game and bend to the wishes of women so that they find you desirable (of course there are other off-shoots, as members delve into finances, and other general areas of life, but that is the main reason men come here).
I think this sub is overall not a bad place, but I don't know how anyone can lie to themselves about the fact that this entire sub basically represents how evolution has set it up so that men are forced to bend to the wills of women. There is no sub out there showing women how to bend to the will of men in order to be more attractive to them, instead there is TRP, showing men how they must change their entire lives, and direct them how to mold their minds and bodies to become appealing to women.
If you want to remain honest, it seems like you should begin by acknowledging that. Should be obvious from TRP's core tenet of men and women being different due to evolution, right? It seems obvious that the game is rigged in favor of women, and men must bend to women's will. It's just that TRP is properly educating men on how to do that.
Well obviously there's a supply and demand problem. You can't make them buy something there's no demand for. So yes, part of this is acknowledging what is attractive to women, and changing the product to do so. But the core difference here is that you're doing so for your own reproductive success, not hers (at least not solely hers).
Yeah, I guess it's similar to business, but having run a few businesses, I can tell you that the businesses out there that delude themselves into thinking they are not ultimately the slaves of their customer's preferences/desires are just that, deluded, and often headed for failure in the long run. Of course you're still trying to make money for yourself as a business, but you know that the only way to do that is to constantly bend to the will of your customers.
I'm not 100% sure how you can be reproductively successful without also de facto making some women successful though? Takes two to tango (at minimum) right?
Men and women's reproductive strategies can be at odds- for instance, if men want to have a raise children, a woman may find it better to trick a man to raise another man's child. Or a man who wants to spread his seed as much as possible may leave a women holding the bag without support or a father for the child.
There are scenarios (such as a red pill family) which I think satisfy both male and female strategies- many men are perfectly content I think with a quality woman, and the woman would be content if you manage to entertain her hypergamous nature well enough while simultaneously being beta enough for her security.
It's just not a common pairing.
"Or a man who wants to spread his seed as much as possible may leave a women holding the bag without support or a father for the child."
How does that work exactly? Surely the kid is much less likely to survive if the father, you know, the main resource-provider, just peaces out? Not being attacking, genuinely curious how that is supposed to work out.
I, personally, am looking to find that uncommon pairing. Thus far I have been unsuccessful in being beta enough though I guess...
One's sexual strategy does not necessarily imply a positive outcome for offspring. Some men just wanna get their rocks off.
Well...it can't really be based in evolution then, or history in terms of reproductive success then can it?