What should be done about the “sexlessness epidemic”?

webernicke · 2020-04-03T13:23:56+00:00

There's nothing that can be done other than either returning to patriarchy or teaching men to live without women.

You can't teach men to be more attractive because women's standards would just rise to match the top 20%.

You are never going to logically convince women to match thier standards to the bell curve for men because attraction can't be negotiated, so the only way to get women to lower thier standards is to force them to i.e. patriarchy.

The only real option is to teach men how to exist with minimal contact with women outside of family. Encourage MGTOW. Build and celebrate men's only spaces. Downgrade the importance of women's opinions, priorities and thoughts in men's eyes. Dispense with the social standard that chasing women is "normal" for men. Adopt porn, for all it's escapist entertainment value, as the standard method of sexual fulfillment and overturn the idea that sex with real women is supposed to be the more realistic situation. Because, at this point, for a lot of men it is far less realistic than most porn scenarios to imagine actually them having any sex with a real woman. Hell, even promote sexual fluidity and bi/homosexuality.

Basically, you would need to build an environment where men are conditioned to simply not need or give much of a shit about women at all. Intergender love/sex/dating would have to be something that only happens if women put in the lion's share of effort, because men simply can't be bothered, or worse, men actively avoid. Men would have to totally disengage from the sphere of gender politics and leave women and feminists trying to play a chess match with only one color. This would all certainly involve dismantling most of women's soft power and influence over men, but also probably some hard legal measures to liberate men from obligations to women as well.

kradient · 2020-04-03T12:34:09+00:00

As Joe Pesci said in The Irishman: “It’s what it is.” No really I don’t know what can be done about this in the short term. Sex robots and Asperger-free designer babies are too far off, large-scale war (historically the ad-hoc solution for too many unfuckable men) is unthinkable in our post-nuclear era, totalitarian government-subsidized Stockholm-syndrome GFs are unworkable (esp because the places which need them the most like China simply don’t have enough women). Demanding an emotion like lust is much harder than demanding a material thing like pussy — which can be easily fulfilled via prostitution as you mentioned.

In terms of things we can do TODAY that might actually help, I vote for force-feeding incels empathogenic drugs (e.g. MDMA) and dropping them into high-energy social situations, once a month or every couple months. “Social skills classes” and therapy are not helpful on their own, since they’re all theoretical and frankly might make the underlying neurosis worse, but they’re a good supplement to this kind of hyper-accelerated social catchup program.

Other than that I think we just gotta wait this era out and sate lonely men with porn and vidya, at least until the point that their T levels start dropping. They’ll be sad and some of them will bark a lot on the Internet but they won’t pose a real threat to society. Eventually the scientific / virtual-reality solutions will become available and we’ll be all good — in this regard at least, because once human-level AI and gene editing hit the scene we have much bigger problems to worry about.

BruhMoment45886 · 2020-04-03T14:29:17+00:00

Government mandated women to every man for sex.

Just kidding! Guys are fucked either way. Women always say "umm maybe get more attractive?" to feel better about themselves and then turn down the same guy even after doing everything in his power to improve himself. Women will always want the top 20% no matter where the bar is set.

It's not the women's fault or responsibility to make every man satisfied. That is part of modern society and the "American Dream" that every man deserves puss just for existing. As sad as it sounds, guys feel entitled to sex.

You can tell women to be less picky but they'll never stop looking for Chad until they have to settle down. Moral of the story if you're not the top 20% relationships arent worth it mgtow and fuck escorts. They're more attractive than most women anyway.

wtknight · 2020-04-03T15:42:13+00:00

Men should improve to try to fit certain niches of what women are attracted to. That's all that can really be done. I think that most men can be attractive to at least some women. Not all women like the same 20% of guys. Most men don't want to put in the work or are clueless about what can be done to improve themselves, though. It's easier to just dislike women even though they can't help their nature that they are just as sexually attracted to most men as men are to most women.

mydikishomofobik · 2020-04-03T14:08:51+00:00

You can't force people to find you attractive. Nobody is entitled to have people attracted to them. That goes for men and women, and for heterosexuals and homosexuals.

dylang92 · 2020-04-03T11:54:20+00:00

Nothing? Like what can you do except force women to have sex with men they aren’t attracted to? I guess the only way to fix it would be for men to become attractive.

beyond_relevant · 2020-04-03T12:58:23+00:00

Men can prioritize relationships, and focus on improving.

Jaooooeee · 2020-04-03T13:04:47+00:00

Most of the women and men that can't get laid its their problem they need to work on themselves its not a epidemic.

0seagirl · 2020-04-03T12:01:45+00:00

Classes for these men on social skills and emotional intelligence are the only way, imo.

A lot of incels who find it impossible to find a partner focus their attentions on the wrong things, usually the typical RP "looks/money/status/trying to become a 'Chad'" shit, awful PUA-style bootcamp bs, and their loneliness only increases (look at someone like Elliot Rodger who arguably had looks, money and status but was still incel af) alongside their resentment of women for still not being interested.

Their social skills and emotional intelligence skills are still barely existant, making them repulsive to women despite their (misplaced) efforts in other avenues of attraction.

If you seriously cannot find a single person to be interested in you, it's likely the issue is with you to fix, not with women.

TheJim66 · 2020-04-03T12:27:53+00:00

I think the only way to reach a somewhat good equilibrium would be to undo the damage social media and OLD have done to the SMP by putting Hypergamy in overdrive .You can either do that by banning them,which is illegal, or by removing the artificial infrastructure that makes open Hypergamy viable,namely removing welfare,unfair divorce laws ,gender quotas,legalizing financial abortion and maaaaybe stop the anti slutshaming propaganda if need be.This is easily implemented but will never happen because women will never agree to it and they make up the majority of voters

Or sex bots/vr

Mimoxs · 2020-04-03T14:35:42+00:00

Nothing? Why am I supposed to care about it other than that they pose a threat to me?

I can't imagine being so entitled/desperate/childish to think that I need sex/partnership or it's the end of the world. If you're that desperate, self improve to the point you can fix your own problem. Honestly there are almost no men who are truly incapable of getting a woman - it's entirely a matter of hygiene, social skills and attractiveness that can be maximized or worked upon.

AbyssinianLion · 2020-04-03T16:34:28+00:00

Nothing, until society realises that it's a major problem once these men start to impact politics, society and culture in negative ways, and it's almost too late to dial things back.

As you can see with the coronavirus emergency, even with experts telling the average Ameretard and the president to take it seriously or else face unimiginable economic carnage and death, it took Americans and the president months to realise this isn't you normal flu and that you need to stop doing your normal routine and take precautions/measures to stop the worse from happening. And now we are nearly too late from stopping the deaths of a quarter of a million people, which could be one of our relatives or even us.

In our hyper individualist neoliberal society, until emergencies reach the point of no return, we don't have it in ourselves to do what makes sense in the long-term. You can say the same about the current atomization and sexlessness problems facing many young men. Even open minded women here who understand that it's a problem cant being to themselves to realise how much of a problem this is and society should try to do something to help these alienated men. They just couldn't give a shit, even if these problems turn into bigger problems which impact them personally in the future. Just imagine what the average "I got mine, screw you" American think of the average disillusioned economically disenfranchised sexless man? Again, just wait until things worse and we get more reactionary politics, more fascists, more mental health problems, more shit flinging, more divisions, more mental break downs leading to acts of violence, more purposeless men attracted to toxic ideologies. Until the average person is personally faced with costs of ignoring crippling social problems, nothing will happen. So just sit back and relax and watch things get interesting.

LadyFerretQueen · 2020-04-03T18:06:03+00:00

Teach people about social skills, get them mentally healthy, give them goals and tech them skills to achieve those goals. Then having sex won't be their purpose in life and ironically, they might form actual relationships and have sex.

vargstrike · 2020-04-03T19:25:28+00:00

As a man with a girlfriend who is also unattractive, I encourage sexless men to withhold their resources, time, and energy from women, and to pursue activities divorced from feminine approval. Create counter cultures, art, and social clubs. Exclude women from their lives as much as possible. Society may look down on us, but we can have the company of one another. It is only due to our oppression that we think it shameful to proud and supportive of one another.

SDW137 · 2020-04-03T19:32:32+00:00

Nothing, just let natural selection run its course. Which isn't very PC, but there's not really much you or me can do to change whom millions of women are willing to sleep with.

churnthrowaway123456 · 2020-04-04T01:17:11+00:00

Nothing, there is no sexlessness epidemic

Here4thebeer3232 · 2020-04-03T12:33:59+00:00

I think the best thing to do is cut taxes and remove social welfare. That way men, who aren't attractive enough to get casual sex, at the very least get to keep their money.

CommanderOfTheDeath · 2020-04-03T12:24:20+00:00

Tell men how to actually get women and promote real masculinity again.

Maybe we just need a politically correct version of TRP without the swearing and overgeneralizations to reach the woke politically correct mainstream.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ftnlyo/serious_men_of_reddit_what_is_something_women_do/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

The amount of red pills dropped on this thread really surprised me (even tho most men still seem clueless about many aspects of female behaviour and don't seem to understand where it stems from). Seems like some red pill observations are a lot more common than I thought. If the red pills were presented as they are in that thread, then most men would probably actually listen and try to understand it. The reason TRP is an outcast group is because it has the stigma of beeing a "woman-hater", "sexist" or "mysoginist".

If the ideas were stripped away of the deragatory terminology and presented in a neutral light they may be able to reach a wide amount of men.

Visserman75 · 2020-04-03T12:01:26+00:00

Mass funding of plastic surgery and genetic enhancements to create an equal and attractive level playing field for all people. I don't buy this thing that 'if everyone was attractive, women would still only go for the top 20%' at all. It's complete bullshit.

Yeah sure, maybe some women will become even more picky and go for the 6'4 tall jock instead of the 6'3 tall jock. But compare that to what we have now, where we have 5'6 balding guys competing with 6'4 square faced, full haired jocks. It's a complete joke, these 2 men barely look like they are from the same animal species.

Now tell me that with a world in which these kind of differences exist, having everyone look the same wouldn't solve a shitton.

LillthOfBabylon · 2020-04-03T12:01:51+00:00

That’s for men to decide. Its not a pandemic just because men cant get laid or has no desire in improving his sex life.

The main problem with guys is that too many of them are picky beggars that want all the rewards but none of the work hard, mutual respect, or monetary expense that comes with it. Sorry, having free noncommital sex with hot girls is NOT possible for most men.

If you make a crappy boyfriend AND a crappy sex partner, there’s nothing you can do but improve on your sex game or be a better person to get a loving girlfriend.

ifelsedowhile · 2020-04-03T14:32:11+00:00

pink viagra. or gay viagra: a viagra that makes you gay so you won't have to deal with women anymore sexwise.

softhandsam · 2020-04-03T15:57:56+00:00

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genghiskhan143 · 2020-04-03T17:42:52+00:00

It will fix itself one way or another. Look up the traditionalism cycle. Once enough men no longer care for society or work long hours to support a family, the tax revenue for a country collapses and the debt goes up the wazoo. Your society collapses.

Once that happens women find that they need men again to provide and protect (ie patriarchy), and the bottom 80% of men get wives and girlfriends. and in return they work hard to build society. And the cycle them repeats.

Care to guess where in the cycle we are now?

SkookumTree · 2020-04-03T20:07:19+00:00

I don't know, maybe big pharma could invest more money into anaphrodisiac research?

resolutions316 · 2020-04-04T00:19:48+00:00

Nothing.

Sexual coercion is disgusting.

My hope is that it pushes our culture (meaning US in this context) to some kind of synthesis of “traditional masculinity” (chop wood and have muscles) and “new masculinity” (more inclusive).

softhandsam · 2020-04-03T13:05:18+00:00

Self improvement us in their hands. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

We could absolutely improve how we raise children so they grow up socially adept. Less helicopter parenting, less plonking then down in front of a screen for long periods of time, teach them about having a healthy lifestyle ect

reluctantly_red · 2020-04-03T14:27:31+00:00

Nothing. Natural Selection is a bitch. Surplus males don't reproduce and then they die.

Palliative care is all we can do. Make them as comfortable as possible with video games and porn.

TheJim66 · 2020-04-03T12:24:16+00:00

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Mescalean · 2020-04-03T13:45:21+00:00

Legalize prostitution?????

Call me crazy... but think this might help.

teibe · 2020-04-03T15:40:06+00:00

There is no sexless epidemic. There is a 'porn-sick men with sexual expectations too high' epidemic.

Pastelitomaracucho · 2020-04-03T16:20:45+00:00

Honestly? Nothing. Losers gonna lose and many are fucked beyond what other people are open to put up with.

IF THEY want to fix THEIR problem, then they have to either increase their SMV, emigrate where people like them have an inherently higher SMV or a combination of both. Blaming women for this will get them nowhere.

things they can do:

Get fit, get an education, get off the itnernet and socialise more, become open minded, less reactionary and overall more relaxed and pleasant to have around. They will need to go out, to party, to travel and to do all these things that they hate women and chads doing. Sorry guys, that's how you get laid: by socialising.

And they have to be patient.

I'm fucking sick of whining entitled losers to be quite honest. The world is not going to change for them so they either put of with the times or the wait for corona to take them away.

aPoliteVillain · 2020-04-03T14:07:03+00:00

We should all just forget about sex boiz

retal1ator · 2020-04-03T14:13:45+00:00

There is nothing you and me can do about it. The effect is extremely prevalent because women have access to every man online, theoretically. So if they match with a handsome bodybuilder, they think that's their new standard.

As I have wrote in one of my last posts, maybe tough times might change priorities in the mind of a lot of women. Historically, when times are tough, women favor the security of a man over the chance of getting in bed with a hotter guy who will just discard them after the fact.

prostate-apostate · 2020-04-03T17:47:15+00:00

More mail ordered brides , seiously i don't know why more men aren't doing this .

AI_WAIFU · 2020-04-03T23:28:52+00:00

Mass produce robot waifus.

Problem solved, we can all go home now.

CDBaller · 2020-04-04T10:44:31+00:00

A return to and the creation of new Male Spaces is something that makes realistic sense to me. We have an abundance of low-quality males right now combined with women who feel entitled to date an Instagram model. There is little self-awareness on either side, which only exacerbates the problem. Historically, low quality men have ended up on the frontier or in the fringes of society. These days, the frontier is Alaska/Northern Canada. Not many are choosing to go there with the temptation of staying in cities. We currently lack the means to go to Space, though that would be a good frontier. Many have opted to join the military with varying degrees of success, but that is being eroded as a Male Space. We need a way to teach low value men to be higher value and to decrease the degree of female entitlement. We need a new "conical bullet", something that will flip the world on its head and make everything else seem outdated. The last invention to do this was the microchip, but that has been exhausted by and large.

Deep_Sushi · 2020-04-04T15:20:40+00:00

i think it's hilarious

but i'm a degenerate who enjoys drama and sociology

i like how every clown in here keeps suggesting government mandated women as a joke and it's absurdity a reason to do nothing

they need mandated flairs, i need to know which one of you are blue pill simps or literally women

Barely-moral · 2020-04-03T12:57:05+00:00

-Nothing. Let the muslims outbreed the western cultures and they will solve the problem.

-Treat men and women as complete and absolute equals in the law, the taxes and the social programs. Women get their independence and their hypergamy is feeding on the social status and jobs they can achieve because they (as a group) get more benefits from the state than they pay in taxes. If they have to compete on an equal footing with men without any handout, social program, gender quota etc they will fail. Their status will be less and the effects of their hypergamy lessened.

-Just replace women. They are a faulty anyways. Artificial wombs. Sex robots. A.I.s I don't care about the exact details. Just replace them with a functional alternative.

goneaway2thewind · 2020-04-03T14:30:10+00:00

Like anything in life, a problem arises and..

Men not solving problem, women most affected.

Instead of asking why men aren't peacocking, its assumed to be internal factors instead of external ones. I'm sorry but if video games, porn, and isolation increasingly feel like better rewards than dating or building a family you probably should start by checking the rewards to see if they are still rewarding.

passepar2t · 2020-04-03T11:53:05+00:00

"Should be done?" What?

Eastuss · 2020-04-03T12:22:11+00:00

Solution 1: Empower men and stop empowering women, all this started as soon as we allowed women's biggest shit test: feminism. Probably this will happen one day or another, but if we let the bubble grow and explode we will go right into sharia law 2.0.

Solution 2: 50% less men than women.

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taapy234 · 2020-04-03T14:42:18+00:00

The best you can do is offer solutions that manage this problem by taking care of symptoms in a better way and hope they solve this problem by themselves. Like how we take care of our cold.

According to this thread, legalizing prostitution is not a viable answer.

I disagree. Its actually a great place to start. In fact, there's even a chance that this problem will go away once prostitution is legalized. This actually creates a level playing field between men and women for access to casual sex. And offers men and women focus on bettering their economic prospects much more instead of not participating in economic growth.

Gerealtor · 2020-04-03T15:46:58+00:00

I suppose you could turn off everyone's internet and TV and see if it makes a difference. Other than that you'd have to somehow convince the men that prefer gaming/internet porn/fake online relationships and the women who are content with celibacy and/or monogamy when love/Chad fwb comes around that they'd be happier going with one another and all coupling up equally. Idk tho... As a woman somewhat content with celibacy until real love comes around, not many compelling arguments could be made to make me indulge in casual sex with people I don't want to have sex with in the meantime...

Sepean · 2020-04-03T19:23:32+00:00

Teach men the red pill.

Notsonewguy7 · 2020-04-03T20:50:35+00:00

From everything I've read online it appears that the Heterosexual relationship are pointless unless it serves a purpose "making babies, sharing resources" you know the deal.

For Heterosexual men with the sexlessness problem, which I'm not one of so take this with a grain of salt, you to Max any advantage you have .

• If you are white date ethnic women and travel.

• If you're ethnic date interracially and travel.

• Gather resources have sex with prostitutes or women from poor parts of the world or society.

• Ignore relationships and treat sex completely like a exchange of goods in the most basic sense.

For Bisexual men. Which I'am so this is hundred percent accurate.

• just fuck dudes. It's easy like stupid easy. Grindr etc.

Braincellular · 2020-04-04T00:35:40+00:00

I would disagree with the prostitution question. Legalizing prostitution could help insofar as it gives men easier access to sex...sure its transactional meaningless sex but at least it might keep men from pedestalizing women so much, lessening male thirst and simping behavior, and maybe have the side of deflating the epedemic of female self over-valuation.

Otherwise, I would agree with a lot of people here that there isn't a lot you can do except 1) somehow try to create cultural change among men and 2) create a change in the material conditions that exacerbate a lot of these of these things. I'm not sure how the latter especially will work out.

I'm grateful for red pill since I think that men are at least starting to wake up to a lot of this crap (if there's any lessons to the red pill its that you must change your life; this is the difference between the "red pill" and the "black pill", men have the capacity to improve and rise to the occasion and the capability to be introspective), so maybe this stuff will start to spread more organically over time. Unfortunately a lot of this seems to be hijacked by lot of more nefarious forces and without a strong capacity for discernment and a lack of more positive role models I fear a lot of young men won't be able to sort the grain from the chaff, so to speak. At the individual level, you can "be the change you wish to see" in the world, but I suppose that's always been true.

Ultimately reality bites, and we have a culture that has a weird relationship with sex and refuses to acknowledge it as even being a problem, and that has to change (for example Islam, for all its faults, is better equipped to deal with it, because at least in Islam unlike the post-Christian west, acknowledges sex as a motivator in people, hence their attempt to organize society taking that into account, even if you don't necessarily agree with its solution).

All of this however is all being exacerbated by the neoliberal order we find ourselves in and all its contradictions (e.g. "woke capitalism"), and the increasingly dystopian situation we find ourselves in, extreme uncertainly, wealth inequality, brutal working conditions, the epic of loneliness, mental illness, poor socialization etc. it's all connected, and things will probably get a lot worse before they start to get better, unfortunately.

Mettaton0H_YES · 2020-04-04T11:36:10+00:00

I think women should be honest about their types. And men could too. Those men and women deemed with potential can remain to and work to improve on their bodies and mental and social health. The rest can legally be euthanized if so chosen and in the condition to do so. That way, future generations will not struggle as much and true Darwinism could take place. Nobody would have to live out a lonely life.

Instead of euthanasia, there could be virtual reality simulations possibly where you can interact, and your choices matter. Though that is far off considering how little progress has been made with technology

weag5l · 2020-04-04T11:41:06+00:00

more face to face contact. no social media. in fact, no media period.

not going to happen, though.

OXOzymandias · 2020-04-04T13:01:05+00:00

A bit late to the party but cut the internet ?

Iron-Giant169 · 2020-04-05T16:43:46+00:00

Just let it burn bro

HOLYREGIME · 2020-04-03T13:50:51+00:00

1). Men don’t want to have to pay 2). They want a woman to actually want to have sex with them.

Male sexlessness is an epidemic. We should lump it in with student loans, healthcare and every other social issue being brought up. Create jobs, subsidize prostitution, for lower income. Win-win.

Your second point is a little untrue. It’s not about men wanting women to have sex with them. It’s about men feeling they EARNED the right to have sex with her.

Think of it like welfare. Some people are fine with government assistance even if they’re able to make a living. The vast majority of people however, go to work everyday to EARN their living. They feel like they worked for it instead of simply being handed to them.

darksoldierk · 2020-04-03T22:59:18+00:00

My honest solution, considering that women are the ones that have the pick of the litter in today's SMP; taxation and adjustment of legislation to remove things like no-fault divorce and maternity leave and the inclusion of things like the ability to abort (in some form) for men and at birth paternity testing.

See, the problem is, society has removed all risks for women when it comes to companionship. Every role that men used to fill, which used to encourage women to find a man within her own league have been replaced by legislation. Women have more rights when it comes to parenthood. A woman who is a 6 or a 7 doesn't need to date a man who is a 6 or a 7, she can only fuck a 9 or 10 man, because if he gets her pregnant or whatever, legislation is right there ready to force all men or individual men to make sure she is taken care of. What these adjustments will do is it will encourage women to pair with men within their own league, because they won't have a net that will protect them when they choose a guy out of their league, and that guy moves on from her. Removing things like maternity leave readjusts women's dependence on taxpayer money to fund her personal choice to her depending on her husband to fund a joint personal choice, and as I said, it will be a truly joint choice if men have the ability to abort in some form.

Then there is the issue of women who choose to not get into relationships at all if those relationships aren't with a 8-10 man, and the response to that is taxation. I don't know, maybe any woman 30 and older who is not married gets a surtax or something. Taxation is used to encourage people to behave in certain ways, and in our society, women need to be encouraged to couple with men of their own league. If the tax is significant enough, it will encourage women to settle down quicker, which will reduce her ride on the carousal.

Things like this will still allow women to choose someone who they are attracted, it doesn't force them. They will just have incentives to choose men in their own league. They will be incentivized to actually approach, which will increase choice for men and push the SMP more towards equilibrium And those that choose to not couple with men in their own league, can pay the tax, and spend their lives solely supporting and raising a child.

2020-04-04T02:17:51+00:00

State mandated reading of redpill books. Strict Anti simp laws. Fines for dating single mothers. Freezing bank accounts of men who donate to onlyfans.

Title	What should be done about the “sexlessness epidemic”?
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Date	April 3, 2020 11:49 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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