What would women caring about sexless/struggling men entail?

XtoDoubt · 2020-04-17T14:21:47+00:00

"Ah, shit that sucks, man." The same shit you'd say to anyone struggling with anything.

OttoVonBismark71 · 2020-04-17T16:15:59+00:00

I don't think women have to care, but I do think they should stop *ridiculing*. Stop mocking men for inceldom. stop mocking men for desiring something that women can get at a whim. stop acting like their desires, needs, or wants are somehow more intrinsically valuable than men's. and finally, stop acting and treating the bottom 80% of men as if they are living the life of the top 20%.

that being said, the average woman definitely wishes for men to care about their plight.

ZCommander9088 · 2020-04-17T15:49:28+00:00

IDK. I know the incels say they need to take one for the team and just fuck em but as someone pointed out no one likes pity sex. Maybe it would entail women being less pickey and reverse the 80/20 issue. Imo the incels and the worst feminists cancel each other out and everyone in the middle should try to help struggling individuals and avoid extremists.

In the end if the day it is someone’s job to improve themselves and not others job to do it for them.

TechnicalMight0 · 2020-04-17T16:14:44+00:00

- Not project negative experiences with Chad on all men

- Not oppose legalization of prostitution (or where it's legal, stigmatize it) out of some visceral (but ultimately irrational) sense of disgust

- At least acknowledge it's a problem that hits men harder

I mean, that's what I do as a man who's not sexless, I can sympathize with women's problems too instead of just saying "why should I care?" or using shaming language, it's just basic empathy.

TheEgosLastStand · 2020-04-17T15:59:15+00:00

Not mocking them (like this thread, for example) would probably go a long way, though that's a request obviously not just for women.

dalia-chan · 2020-04-17T23:44:49+00:00

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Troy016 · 2020-04-17T14:30:24+00:00

Idek maybe not tell guys their losers and chumps for not getting laid that’s one lmao.

Barely-moral · 2020-04-17T16:09:05+00:00

The same thing that caring about any other problem that any other person is going through would entail?

You don't mock the person struggling. You don't ignore them. You don't lose respect towards them. You listen to them instead of invalidating their experience. You don't demonize them. You help them if you can. You give them the tools to help themselves or you make those tools available to them.

If you care about it is like any other issue.

manykeets · 2020-04-17T17:42:23+00:00

I never make fun of men who can’t get laid. But I used to be kind of promiscuous when I was in my 20s, and this is what I learned the hard way. Men are angry when you won’t fuck them, but once you do, they lose respect for you and treat you like shit. The same men who complain about not being able to get laid are the ones who call a girl a slut if she’s been with more than 2 or 3 people. We’re only allowed to be with a few people until we lose societal value and face a social penalty, so we’re forced to be choosy. The men who enforce the social punishment of women who aren’t choosy by devaluing them are the same men who turn around and hate women for trying to avoid that punishment by not giving it up to everyone who tries to fuck them.

If you refer to some girls as “sluts” because they sleep with a lot of people, if you talk about single moms in a disparaging way because they “couldn’t keep their legs closed,” you’re the reason you can’t get laid. You’re taking part in the societal punishment of women who won’t be choosy and keep their numbers low. Since she can only have a few, it’s in her best interest not to invest her sexual resources in a bad investment - she doesn’t get many tokens to gamble before she runs out and becomes a “slut.” So now she has to bet the few tokens she has on the best bets, and now you don’t make the cut. She can’t waste a token on you. You’re the one who limited her tokens by partaking in societies attitudes.

So if you’ve ever called a girl a slut or shamed a single mother and you can’t get laid, fuck you. I have no sympathy for you. You created this. But if you have respect for women and don’t hold that double-standard, I sympathize with your pain.

Sid_Insidious · 2020-04-17T20:51:51+00:00

It's really nobody's duty to care. But yes, the shaming aspect needs to stop. First we shame young men for being unable to "get laid", but then shame them more and call them predators when they do everything in their power to no longer be considered non-persons by society. There is huge social pressure for men to get in the mating arena, complete with other men and "get laid".

As a Red Piller myself, I have a small (but limited) amount of sympathy for anyone in the mating arena, because it's a shit show at the best of times and these days its a total dumpster fire. Average guys are struggling to get a simple dinner date without being ghosted, while average women are getting lots of sexual opportunities, but seem unhappy with the outcome (See: Chad won't commit syndrome).

banned_by_cucks · 2020-04-17T15:42:29+00:00

Nobody should care about sexless men, or even sexless women (if such a thing exists). Despite what pussy fiend PUAs like Rollo and Rian Stone will tell you, sex is not a need -- and not getting laid is honestly a first world issue.

Want to know what the real cause of the entitlement and frustration is? TV Shows,Movies acting downstream to general pop culture overhyping and placing far too much value on having sex for the sake of having sex.

Dirtyduck19254 · 2020-04-17T19:10:52+00:00

Not having Ad-Hominem attacks on a mans Virginity be your genders go to in every argument would help

robot3000_01 · 2020-04-17T15:26:14+00:00

They don't have to fuck them. Just understand the problem exists and there are consequences if you're going to ignore 80% of men entirely. Don't deny there isn't a massive inequality.

dylang92 · 2020-04-17T13:49:18+00:00

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DangZagnut · 2020-04-17T14:00:08+00:00

I don't think women should give a flying fuck about men's "sexual struggles". That's completely stupid.

What does "caring" mean? I can pretend to care about anything, but I don't. If there's some sort of benefit to me, it might be worth it, but caring about someone else's sex life? Unless they're someone I'm #AllMenAreRapists with, then I'm not going to care.

Why any woman would care about any man she doesn't personally know I cannot fathom. I mean they barely care about men they do personally know, they aren't going to care about a complete stranger, nor should they.

I'm assuming the incels want to be "recognized" for being ugly. O.k. Being ugly sucks. I feel ya. Oh well. Shit happens. I didn't like being mauled by a dog as a child yet, I got over it and don't murder dogs nor hate them.

I do think women come from a perspective of privilege and don't realize not every person on Earth is as privileged as a western white woman, the most privileged creature to ever stride the earth.

So why would any one expect them to understand being an ugly male?

Your expectations are way to high of women if you assume they should, or could, understand your sexual plight. Women don't give a shit about sexual plight.

basedmillennial95 · 2020-04-17T14:08:10+00:00

Hmmm that's actually a very good question. Maybe stop the constant "virgin" or "incel" insults. If you're in a marriage don't repeatedly deny your husband sex? I don't know I've never thought of this.

wateroclock · 2020-04-17T14:40:48+00:00

I am genuinely curious! *insert sarcasm making fun of the people you ask* Really, tell me all about it!

I think most men complaining just want compassion and equality. No preferential treatment for females, no beautiful lies, valuing male lives more as they are critically undervalued. Women aren't better than men, women shouldn't be special.

thedeadpill · 2020-04-17T13:59:22+00:00

They shouldn't, in the same way men shouldn't care about single moms.

But, honestly, women could take some advice that's been coming out for a while now: Settle at some point before you get old. Sidestep angry men; there's a lot of ink spilled by women about how they waited too long, or kept pining for Mr. Right while Mr. Good Enough was right there.

What's good for women would, incidentally, help some of those lonely men.

kradient · 2020-04-17T14:09:01+00:00

If I’m sexless then girls should fuck me, but if anyone else is sexless then girls should just give them little head pats and say “omg that’s so sad” in a cute baby voice. Basically girls should be slutty magnanimous sex angels but ONLY for me personally.

I don’t have a serious answer to your question, but I think some level of alienation inevitably results from all social/technological progress, especially today where progress occurs faster than ever. With every advance there are always going to be groups who can’t keep up, and until we invent brain implants and gene therapy there’s nothing we can do about it in the short term except placation (porn vidya and hookers). No one wants to turn back the clock, not even those who claim they do.

Not that society NEEDS to do anything about male alienation, or is particularly threatened by it. When physically and socially competent men start feeling deeply alienated, THEN we have a problem, but modern incels are too busy pulling each other down into the crab bucket to form any sort of real insurrectionary movement (the “beta uprising” term is hilarious because it’s exactly betas who are by definition incapable of an uprising).

SlashCo80 · 2020-04-17T17:26:24+00:00

Stop mocking and shaming guys for being virgins, unlucky in dating, not being Chads or not belonging to the top 20% in attractiveness. That's it, you don't have to pity them or have sex with them, just have some empathy and treat them like humans. Asking a lot, right?

LastFlow · 2020-04-17T15:58:27+00:00

What would you like women to do?

It's kind of a rough question because we don't really know what the contributing factors are.

The most I can really recommend is don't be single mothers. I worry that the main reason a lot of men might become sexless is that they do not have any strong male role models. Single motherhood is known to be attached to so many negative outcomes anyway so I think most people on PPD don't need to hear that advice, but it's the best I can give.

Besides that, I think it's a social networking/isolation problem. I think there's really very little you can do for the man on the street if they suffer this problem but if you have a brother or someone who's having a rough time socially maybe try to help them out.

Shit question with no easy answer because usually the guys in these situations don't really help themselves.

meeselbon573 · 2020-04-17T17:51:39+00:00

Acknowledge that it is a source of suffering, and don’t shame/shut down men who talk to each other about their shared experiences—even if that entails voicing their resentment over it.

2020-04-17T19:02:05+00:00

I mean, personally I don't think sexlessness is the main problem for these guys that complain or get down about it. I reckon more than anything what it is, is that guys are generally discouraged from showing emotion or opening up. They lack intimacy in their lives and sex oftentimes is portrayed as the height of intimacy. Incels and stuff, I just think they're lonely predominantly and that I can certainly empathize with, but they really don't make it easy at times for people to empathize with them. Sex won't make them less lonely and it won't make them feel loved. It won't somehow skyrocket their self-esteem suddenly either. They put sex up on some pedestal, but they fail to understand the sex is just an expression of something ultimately more meaningful.

Regardless, it's a tricky issue. Empathizing with incels as a woman could totally send out the wrong signals to these guys and I've seen that for sure, but on the other hand, there's no need to deride, insult or make fun of these guys or lonely, non-incel guys in general. Abit of consideration would go along way. Abit of humanity would help, that's all I'm saying.

ElGupo1978 · 2020-04-17T19:55:55+00:00

If We got to listen you complain about how awful it is to be a woman then we’re gonna let our gripes be known as well

BonnieBelle255 · 2020-04-18T04:10:31+00:00

Thank you for asking this question because I am new to these topics and truly don't understand. Of course I care about men and their struggles, but what am I expected to do about this particular issue? What's the goal here?

InfidelCastro11 · 2020-04-17T14:57:48+00:00

Sexlessness is a symptom of a bigger issue that women also don't care about. I just think men should stop caring about women's problems

901735 · 2020-04-17T14:32:54+00:00

What would women caring about sexless/struggling men entail?

Nothing. Literally nothing. In all it's capacity. Just apply "nothing" to everything. Listen.

We'll go to prostitutes and you get nothing.

You get to say nothing.

You get to do nothing.

You get to expect nothing.

He asks you why you think the two of you should get married and there's literally nothing you can list.

A chick gets kicked on the subway in London by "asians", there are 2 local guys who do... nothing.

You want a date but there's only nothing to take you out on a date.

You keep swiping in the "yes" direction, and in reply you get only "dates" leading to you either getting fucked and disposed of or nothing.

You ask him when is marriage time and he says nothing.

You ask him what he's thinking about, because you'd love to get some conversation with him, and there is nothing to talk about.

You think you're more, but you ARE nothing, but it's ok, because there IS nothing.

Just apply "nothing" to everything.

Thoughs?

Joey_Lopez · 2020-04-17T16:57:15+00:00

Well a simple thing they can do is just not be mean. If they are really a friend they could put in some good word for him to other girls. Some social proof (especially from another female) would go a long way towards helping sexless men find someone.

Dustin_Bromain · 2020-04-17T17:25:41+00:00

Have a little fucking empathy for fucks sake
Stop giving them bullshit advice
Stop trying to shame them for having natural instincts. I know it repulses you but they’re still human beings for crying out loud

TomahawkSuppository · 2020-04-17T14:36:56+00:00

No, I don’t think women have a duty to care about the plight of men who struggle with women. Just as men don’t have a duty to care about whatever the latest grievance women have about men.

ThrowawayCactus6012 · 2020-04-17T15:00:27+00:00

What would women caring about ~~sexless/struggling~~ men entail?

This might be a more interesting question.

Cobra_x30 · 2020-04-17T18:28:06+00:00

There are plenty of Femcels around arent there?... I think maybe attempt to hook them up with one. The two groups could essentially solve each others problems and become better people in the process.

jax006 · 2020-04-17T14:53:55+00:00

I'm unconcerned with if they "care" or not, I just find it incredibly annoying when they're delusional or solipsistic about it

nnyyleissa · 2020-04-17T16:37:28+00:00

Stop ridicuing them for it. You don't need to much else than that.

People use terms like "fucking incels" all the time as if being an involuntary celibate would be the worst thing in the world and it can't feel nice to have your inadequacies rubbed in your face all the time.

DeepCrimsonPill · 2020-04-17T16:48:01+00:00

All I ask for women is to acknowledge we have legitimate issues that are caused by the fundamental ways sexual dynamics are set up. Most women think even this is too much to ask for.

obsspwgck · 2020-04-17T15:38:01+00:00

> What would you like women to do?

Stop supporting government policies that advocate for high tax rates, social welfare, free education etc. (Women are mostly in support of raising taxes).

At least let working sexless men keep most of their money.

Recognize that redistribution of wealth is just as immoral as redistribution of sex. That you're equally as entitled to the fruits of your labor as you are to choose who you have sex with.

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SkookumTree · 2020-04-17T14:04:47+00:00

I don't know. It's a symptom of loneliness.

eboy4hire · 2020-04-17T15:39:16+00:00

I don't think there's any way for sexless men and women to be compatible outside of an arrangement where a woman is curing that sexlessness. Otherwise, just by nature of you being a woman, you're likely fucking other men, which would make that guy feel like a cuck in your "caring" relationship with him.

wtknight · 2020-04-17T16:50:07+00:00

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SilentLurker666 · 2020-04-17T19:11:14+00:00

I flaired this question for men because a lot of men seem very bothered by the fact that not many women care much about men's sexual struggles.

Not one of these people.

I have to wonder- what do you think "caring" about that entails? What would you like women to do? Say "aww man, that sucks"? Spread awareness for the group (the 'poor men who can't get laid')? Post "tits out for the sexless" on their Facebook timelines? Encourage their female peers to take one for the team? Take one for the team themselves (I thought nobody likes pity sex)?

I don't think they should "care", but in general when men talk about a problem, they expect solutions; when women talk about a problem, they expect empathy. On that note I don't think a solution is found on the female side.

I'm genuinely curious- how would you like women to care about this "plight"?

As stated above. They shouldn't. I would also say women shouldn't expect men to reciprocate when the problem arise on their end. Women have no obligations to marry undesirable men, men shouldn't be expected to wife-up overweight women/high n-count women/single mothers.

bonobo-no · 2020-04-17T19:17:58+00:00

Don’t shame men for being feminine

retal1ator · 2020-04-17T19:33:58+00:00

I have no idea why in this sub everyone talks about sex struggles for men when in fact men are actually struggling in society due to:

A lack of good masculine male role models.
Lack of feminine women.
Oversexualization.
No safe male spaces.
Feminization.
Lack of reproductive rights.
Zero rights in family courts.

Who the fuck cares about finding casual sex when we have these issues! Are the men here really only interested in sex and are the women so dense they don't see the elephant in the room?

TheBookOfSeil · 2020-04-17T19:37:30+00:00

Obviously doing something more than just saying “Aww that sucks. Keep your head up and don’t give up.”

2020-04-17T20:00:04+00:00

I think this sub is intended to increase understanding, not to do anything.

Scared-Psychology · 2020-04-17T22:25:43+00:00

Simply listening and not being dismissive. That’s literally it.

SILENTSAM69 · 2020-04-17T22:27:08+00:00

The funny thing is that is what the incel movement first was. It was started by feminists who felt bad for disabled men, often war vets who lost a limb, who where then celibate involuntarily. They raised awareness, and I think advocated for them to be compensated for hookers or something.

Now it is a group feminists forgot about, and who have become so hopelessly depressed from being denied human contact for years, and are now essentially victim blamed until they lose their shit and get angry. Which is then used to vilify them more.

MerryVegetableGarden · 2020-04-17T23:31:07+00:00

Quit cockblocking legislation that would decriminalize prostitution. If LVM had access to sex on-demand as LVW do, they wouldn't be so resentful of the sluts who spurn them in favor of top tier guys. Dry spells can do funny things to a guy's head. Permanent ones in the case of incels drives some of them insane. Keep sex workers safe. Make sure they're not being trafficked, make condoms mandatory, and they should get bi-monthly checkups with doctors for their own health. There's not a single incel in the countries with widespread prostitution in the enlightened places in Europe that allow it. Bam! Now everyone can do it whenever. No more resentment bred from jealousy and feelings of being excluded. Prostitutes are Saints. Sluts hate them.

Ihatelibs · 2020-04-18T04:43:08+00:00

An acknowledgement that the issue exists is all we ask for, just admit that there are men who cannot be saved by personality. Just start there, so these men don't have to go crazy shouting it with no one listening.

Tomatoccino · 2020-04-18T08:59:47+00:00

If incels were less nasty to women, they’d get more sympathy. No one is going to make nice with men who think you’re a dumb hole who deserves to be raped to death.

CatchPhraze · 2020-04-18T15:21:43+00:00

The struggling men I have sympathy for and time and effort for even.

The hateful ones not so much.

Xombie0991 · 2020-04-20T18:58:25+00:00

Stop the jokes about virgins? Rethink your “no virgins” policy?

iceicle999 · 2020-04-17T15:12:53+00:00

Well, since copious amounts of people like complaining about men these days and how young men aren't real men anymore, it would only make sense that these people try to help instead of bitching and belittling people. It only makes sense. You whine online about it all the time, you attack guys online you think are examples of the problem, therefore you should chip in and help. Nobody has to care though, and I think it would be better if they don't, since absolutely nothing good has come out of the internet complaining about young men. Nothing. All it's done is ridiculed more young men and increased more hostility towards them in the public sphere.

dylang92 · 2020-04-17T15:17:47+00:00

I don’t know, and honestly I don’t really care if they start caring about it. Their caring or sympathy won’t make my face attractive, or make me taller, and allow me to get the casual sex I desire. So really, what use is it?

mindsanitizer · 2020-04-17T16:23:23+00:00

Say "aww man, that sucks". That's it!

Sophiatab · 2020-04-17T19:31:17+00:00

It's hard to have sympathy for men that create their problems. Sexless/struggling men need to show more sympathy to women's struggles for that to ever happen. Too many men refuse to understand being used for sex (i.e. being a fleshlight he doesn't have to clean) is not desirable for some if not many women. Quite bluntly, women get sick and tired of all the losers we have to weed out to find a decent guy.

2020-04-17T15:07:24+00:00

I think the objective answer to that question "as-asked" is that ... there is no proper answer.

The critical observation comes from pointing out the hypocrisy of LVW complaining "where are all the good men" and that they can't find anyone with whom to have a relationship when the impediment is that these women often are only looking at men who are way higher value than they are, these women often have unreasonable expectations, and often easily eliminate men who are not very tall (something outside the control of men) while they are often FAT (something within their control).

So, with those objective facts on the table one can't help but wonder that if these women had reasonable expectations ... most everyone would be happy and the world would be a much better place.

https://i.imgur.com/BxC8KAO.jpg

nnyyleissa · 2020-04-17T17:41:02+00:00

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Title	What would women caring about sexless/struggling men entail?
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Date	April 17, 2020 1:48 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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