Is this the logic they are using??? 🤦🏽‍♀️ So which is it? Are men rapists and violent towards women inherently or not?? Are men on board with this excuse?? 😹

drunkenwithlust · 2021-07-07T01:54:11+00:00

Good news everybody, rape is over. You can all go home now since prostitutes exist. /s

midwesternwinds · 2021-07-07T00:12:05+00:00

Tell me you wanna protect violent men without actually telling me

ylang_ylang · 2021-07-06T22:31:21+00:00

So it’s like the Hunger Games and sex workers are the volunteered tributes. Cool.

natashaalexandra · 2021-07-07T02:38:44+00:00

Girl literally told on herself.... she clearly doesn't think sexworkers are real women as she admits she doesn't think violence towards sexworkers is violence against women.

cherryloaf · 2021-07-06T22:36:08+00:00

Wait so we're supposed to sacrifice some of us so the rest of us don't get raped? Reminds me of my pickme mother thinking I should just put up with getting molested for the wellbeing of our FaMiLy.

JadedRaspberry · 2021-07-07T03:36:36+00:00

So sex workers exist to help stop the rest of us getting raped. Hmm well we’re all still getting raped.

So maybe this doesn’t actually work. Maybe its even causing the problem.

Maybe allowing men to view women as objects they can buy, that these women exist only for their pleasure and have no worth, maybe this actually contributes to the rest of us being treated the same way.

BigDebbie4ever · 2021-07-07T01:37:31+00:00

Ok tell her to volunteer to be a sex worker then

Protoetype · 2021-07-07T01:44:21+00:00

If men can't avoid raping then maybe they should be cast ray tedd

Bezzazz · 2021-07-07T00:07:28+00:00

Rape isn't even about sexual urges. It's always about power and control. That's why there are men who will rape their partners even when their partners already have consensual sex with them. It's why men will rape women they claim "aren't even hot". It's why men rape each other in prison.

It isn't about sexual urges, it is purely about denigrating and hurting the other person in the most vile way possible.

starfighter07 · 2021-07-06T23:10:00+00:00

This is so disrespectful for sex workers. Like you are basically telling them to sacrify themselves to the lowest people in society.

I have lived for sometimes in a street where there was a lot of sexwork. Men here were absolutely horrible with the girls, there was so much violence, I cannot describe everything I have seen or heard during this time.

You cannot wish this to any woman on the world. Double shame if you are a woman encouraging others in this way. You are direspectful towards them, not us.

Maude2010 · 2021-07-06T23:08:52+00:00

“accessibility to women’s bodies”

Sick.

HereForTheFreeFoodOk · 2021-07-07T03:57:53+00:00

MEN WHO CAN'T CONTROL THEIR URGES SHOULD BE IMPLANTED WITH A CHIP TO MANAGE THEIR HORMONES.

It would benefit society as we have less aggressive fuckheads on the street - and perhaps men will not act like soulless sex machines and actually develop - ya know - empathy

modernmedusaa · 2021-07-07T05:45:30+00:00

Vomit. Lol. Half their customers are married men with a woman at home ffs.

And you know these men have got to be supreme losers paying for sex in this generation when it’s never been easier for them to get casual sex on tinder etc. Absolute bottom barrel scrotes.

Oh yes you really destroy the patriarchy by objectifying women even more by selling your pussy to porn sick degenerate John’s & constantly putting your personal safety at risk rofl.

This is why we shouldn’t settle for unattractive men- they can cheat with sally the ‘liberated’ sex worker now, since she’s also selling her ‘services’ to them. She’ll probably even boast about it on Twitter afterwards, cringe.

It’s just embaressing watching grown women try turn sucking random dick into a respectable ‘profession’ and comparing it to flipping burgers (yeah cos you really have to gargle some random Joe’s balls everyday at Burger King lol). Especially considering that wherever sex work is legalised, illegal trafficking immediately shoots up in the area. This is why Berlin has become a prime European human trafficking hotspot due to its high number of legal brothels that have attracted even more illegal traffickers. Because it’s a shit show ‘profession’ that attracts the worst kinds of people, namely violent men, drug dealers, rapists and child molesters.

It’s been proven time and time again that legalising sex work actually makes your everyday woman LESS safe because when they legalise it, there isn’t enough sex workers to meet the huge surge of demand....so illegal trafficking shoots up and they start grooming/ stealing women, often from dating apps / fake job advertisements. So she’s utterly talking shit. I’ve linked several studies to this in the wiki page in the side bar if anyone needs evidence. It’s well documented that decriminalisation makes your everyday woman LESS safe & more likely to be illegally sex trafficked, drugged & raped. Not to mention legalisation of sex work makes it even tougher for homeless sex workers to survive, since there’s too much competition.

Bizarre how they don’t think they’ll run into nasty violent men or STIs when they’re serving 8-10 losers a day. Don’t you know, it’s totes safe !!

It’s funny liberal feminists act like men can’t help but rape when sexless (despite casual sex being more accessible than ever)....yet when I’m hungry I don’t feel entitled to snatch someone else’s food....and food is far more essential than sex. You will die without food or water, you won’t die without sex. Yet I never get homeless people snatching my food out of my hand, and they’re super desperate yet they still understand boundaries. But somehow it’s ‘normal’ for men to rape because ‘needs’ mm Kay.

Also no mention of how porn is literally shrinking mens brains and making them more sex obsessed, violent and entitled with their ever escalating ‘fetishes’.

Sex workers are just part of the patriarchal food chain/ supply, feeding the thirsty insatiable wolves, furthering our problems, weakening our status.

denimlace · 2021-07-06T22:20:30+00:00

Rape sponge 🤢

08__80 · 2021-07-06T23:25:21+00:00

So she thinks that men are just rape-machines that can't control themselves? The only thing keeping us safe from these monsters is sex workers?

Like I know we live in a dystopia and everything, but I didn't realize it was that bad.

Significant-Pizza249 · 2021-07-07T00:57:49+00:00

This is literally the attitude of many women in Cambodia, which has a serious rape problem. Apparently 1 in 5 men admitted to raping a woman there, so you can imagine how many of them didn't admit.....

There's even a term called "bauk" in Khmer that refers to men gang raping sex workers, and it's viewed as a positive thing by lots of women there because they say otherwise the men would be raping them. It's extremely common amongst young, middle class Cambodian men.

You can find documentaries about this on Youtube, it's truly terrible. Especially since most if not all the women who are sex workers are forced into it

SpringJonesOcean · 2021-07-07T03:43:41+00:00

Whoa...what is the first person trying to say? Some women get to be raped so all women aren't raped? So men are rapists and we're all just okay with it? What the absolute fuck?

BungalowBootieBitch · 2021-07-07T04:26:06+00:00

But I don't want women as my human shields! Lock up violent men! They don't need access to women sex workers or not!

Phoenix__Rising2018 · 2021-07-06T22:33:33+00:00

Libfems are just evil at this point

Lavender_flow · 2021-07-07T07:47:58+00:00

Studies have shown that it does not make any difference and men who watch/partake and act out their fantasies through sex workers and other means are more often more violent towards women in general. This whole "acting it out" trope is a lie by the patriarchy, it does not help men's depravity one bit. Porn habits have shown to actually escalate a behavior into something way way way worse.

It is also shown that men who may not otherwise be violent, can actually get their brain altered so much by porn and visiting prostitutes that they escalate into being completely degenerate and assaulters, while without access to this it is very likely it would never have come that far.

Mighty_Wombat42 · 2021-07-06T22:34:58+00:00

This type of reasoning is honestly despicable. They’re literally saying we should have a designated group of women to throw under the bus of male violence in order to make things just a little bit easier for the rest of us.

First off, how many women in this group are truly there of their own volition and not coerced either physically or economically? Second, how many of them are underage, abuse victims, belong to a marginalized group, or live somewhere where they don’t have access to resources to help when they get assaulted or if they want to leave the sex trade? How is it feminist to support further harm of vulnerable women for your own (dubious) benefit?

Finally, how many men kill prostitutes, their girlfriends, their wives? Men are not toddlers who we should expect to throw a fit when we say no to them. The problem is that they feel entitled to our bodies, not that we aren’t doing enough to satisfy them.

Emergency-Feed8216 · 2021-07-07T05:38:10+00:00

"Hydraulic" or "catharsis" theories of rage and aggression have been scientifically debunked over and over again (see below). I think that was one of the first things I read about in my behaviorism course. The idea that prostitution reduces rape is, at the very least, dumb and, at worst, simultaneously hands a blanket alibi to rapists and accepts that sexuality and aggression are necessarily intrinsically tied together.

I would add a note that, considering how vulnerable most women are to aggression, I think it would probably be beneficial for women who find themselves too passive to crank up aggression a few notches as long as it's carefully aimed. I wouldn't say the same for many men.

https://alltheragescience.com/commentary/four-questions-on-the-catharsis-myth-with-dr-brad-bushman/

Four Questions on the Catharsis Myth with Dr. Brad Bushman OCTOBER 26, 2011

Dr. Brad Bushman is a social psychologist and aggression expert at The Ohio State University. He received his Ph.D. in Social Psychology from the University of Missouri.

1. What is catharsis?

Catharsis: The word catharsis comes from the Greek word katharsis, which means to cleanse or purge. The term dates back to Aristotle, who taught that viewing tragic plays gave people emotional release from negative emotions. In Greek drama, the heroes didn’t just grow old and retire—they often suffered a violent demise.

Sigmund Freud, who believed that repressed negative emotions could build up inside an individual and cause psychological symptoms, revived the ancient notion of catharsis. Freud’s ideas form the basis of the hydraulic model of anger, which suggests that frustrations lead to anger and that anger, in turn, builds up inside an individual like hydraulic pressure inside a closed environment until it is vented or released. If the anger is not vented, the build-up will presumably cause the individual to explode in an aggressive rage.

According to catharsis theory, acting aggressively or even viewing aggression purges angry feelings and aggressive impulses into harmless channels. Almost as soon as researchers started testing catharsis theory, it ran into trouble. In one early experiment (Hornberger, 1959), participants who had been insulted by a confederate either pounded nails with a hammer for 10 minutes or did nothing. After this, all participants had a chance to criticize the confederate who had insulted them. If catharsis theory is true, the act of pounding nails should reduce anger and subsequent aggression. Unfortunately for catharsis theory, the results showed the opposite effect. Participants who pounded nails were more hostile toward the confederate afterward than were the ones who didn’t get to hammer any nails.

In 1973, Albert Bandura issued a moratorium on catharsis theory and the use of venting in therapy, and research evidence supported Bandura’s views (e.g., Geen & Quanty, 1977). Venting doesn’t work even among people who believe in the value of venting, and even among people who report feeling better after venting (Bushman, Baumeister, & Stack, 1999). In fact, venting has the opposite effect—it increases aggression. The better people feel after venting, the more aggressive they are. Venting can even increase aggression against innocent bystanders.

One variation of venting is intense physical exercise, such as running. When angry, some people go running or try some other form of physical exercise. Although exercise is good for your heart, it is not good for reducing anger (Bushman, 2002). The reason exercise doesn’t work very well is that it increases rather than decreases arousal levels. Angry people are highly aroused, and should try to calm down. Also, if someone provokes you after exercising, excitation transfer might occur (Zillmann, 1979). That is, the arousal from the exercise might transfer to the provocation, producing an exaggerated and possibly more violent response.

2. What are the most common misconceptions about catharsis?

That just because something feels good, it is healthy. People feel good after venting anger (see Bushman et al., 1999), but the good feeling only reinforces aggressive behavior. People also feel good after eating chocolate and taking street drugs, but that does not mean those behaviors are healthy.

3. What are the consequences of using catharsis as your primary anger expression style?

It harms you (e.g, increases one’s risk of cardiovascular disease) and others (e.g., increases the likelihood that you will aggress against others, even innocent bystanders – see Bushman et al., 1999)

4. If there was one thing you would want people to understand about catharsis, what would it be?

That although the theory sounds elegant, there is no scientific evidence to support it. Venting anger is like using gasoline to put out a fire. It only feeds the flame by keeping aggressive thoughts active in memory and by keeping angry feelings alive.

Geocities_SEO_Expert · 2021-07-06T23:07:18+00:00

Enabling dysfunctional behaviors just makes them escalate.

spicyspa · 2021-07-06T23:41:54+00:00

Urgh. I used to believe this BS. Apparently greater access to porn and sex workers hasn't led to a decrease in rapes.

Not all men rape. I'm not saying this to let men off the hook, but to put them on it. It's not an uncontrollable innate urge.

Many men CAN control their urges and not rape. If they can do it, it's proof that any man is capable of not raping. Maybe if the would be rapists get an urge, they can go home, jerk off and not rape. No sex worker required.

Vervibes · 2021-07-06T23:29:21+00:00

Even with access to sex work, men still use multiple ways of getting off, whether it’s— watching pOrN, OLD with ulterior motives, strip clubs, “fwb”, incest, rape, sex toys, fucking animals, random objects, online (video) chats, images/memes/thot-pages, social media, you name it. Sex work is just another boat riding the same wave, each breeding lust, psychological issues, poor habits, and plenty of other things amongst its consumers. Nothing makes sex work “important” or “necessary”, just subjective reasoning.

Novemberinthechair · 2021-07-07T05:45:37+00:00

So.....all men are rapey animals. Thanks for clearing that up, fellas.

angry_opossum_lady · 2021-07-07T12:29:18+00:00

"Don't do it to me, do it to her!" must definitely be the most forward and empowering thing to say as a feminist and I couldn't think of a million other ways to actually liberate ALL women as a class that don't revolve around stroking the tiny dicks or tiny egos of depraved men! You go queeen! /s

(Wtf did I just read...)

LibFemTearShots · 2021-07-07T02:14:05+00:00

Funny how ***e hasn’t stopped as if any country since the dawn of time has been able to not have any prostitution.

Checkmate, libfems 🤡

DevilGirl-Crybaby · 2021-07-07T13:37:59+00:00

It's the same logic I see repacked when people talk about incels. "Lol do they not know sex workers exist?" They do yes, but they don't want to have to pay someone, they expect a woman to submit to their ridiculous and dangerous fetishes for free, under the threat of other women being harmed if they don't. Every time an Incel kills people it's always revenge on the women that wouldn't have sex with him for free, and the men he believed were getting what the incel was owed, I do not think inflicting those men on sex workers is going to do anything except churn out dead sex workers.

pozzalovah · 2021-07-06T22:27:02+00:00

If we follow their logic we will start giving drugs to drug addicts.

sunshinewynter · 2021-07-06T23:15:46+00:00

I always find it ironic that women who are pro sex work, would never actually do it themselves, or suggest it as a good choice for there friend/sister/ mother etc.

Willing_Conflict · 2021-07-06T23:23:06+00:00

The same people who believe murderers in prison should be rehabilitated and freed also believe it's involuntary to rape and harm women. Good lord.

shit-grrl · 2021-07-07T02:15:03+00:00

Her tweet gives off the vibe that she’s one of those girls who act up around guys and says stupid and edgy shit to be liked by them😕

Cairenne · 2021-07-07T05:44:36+00:00

Schrodinger’s … rapist? 🙄

nnanna11 · 2021-07-07T08:46:39+00:00

men be like: but she’s getting pAid1!11!11! how is it rape then????

it’s rape because she didn’t consent to it. YOU wanted to have sex, NOT her! and most of these women are trafficked and don’t see a penny of the money. it goes to their pimp or the person that owns the brothel.

lvoncreek · 2021-07-07T12:53:37+00:00

So are men these extremely logical masterbrains superior to women or are they rather instinct-driven animals who cannot control themselves? Choose one.

Ambitious_Flamingo93 · 2021-07-06T23:38:43+00:00

But remember "not all men" are rapists.

myeggsarebig · 2021-07-07T09:19:53+00:00

Oh. Ok. So I suppose when a man rapes a sex worker, then what?! More sex work?!?

These are the elite who think they are better critical thinkers than the rest of the world.

I’m too old for this crap.

ItsFreezen · 2021-07-07T11:22:06+00:00

Over half these men are married or have a girlfriends. I can't believe she's defending violent men.

sunologie · 2021-07-07T12:18:12+00:00

If you go in Incel subreddits yes they are- they constantly say prostitution needs to be legalized and government funded so that every man can get laid- and they all say that yes without sex workers they would be violent and rapists.

Revy_Ur_Engines · 2021-07-07T13:57:50+00:00

So they would continue to do what they’re already doing to women.

KateJ1982 · 2021-07-07T15:07:55+00:00

a. If this were true, it would still be atrocious and morally wrong to let a subset of women and children be victimized to save the rest of women from violent men.

b. It's clearly not true, because there has never been more accessibility to porn, free sex and paid sex, and there has been no corresponding decrease in violent sexual assault. It's not enough for violent men. They don't rape due to lack of access to sex. They rape due to their own violent selfish desires and a complete lack of morality and accountability in our society. And those violent selfish desires are actually increased by accessibility to porn and sex workers. It's never enough to stop them.

So no, I'd rather not sacrifice any women and children for this cause. How about if we instead hold the disgusting perverts accountable?

miiju86 · 2021-07-07T18:46:56+00:00

So why are there studies then who state the exact opposite?

Dazzling_Grass1727 · 2021-07-07T00:42:43+00:00

uhhh.....neither?

men have become more wily and manipulative/crafty to rape women might make more sense?

melonmagellan · 2021-07-07T04:53:49+00:00

My STBX makes this argument about porn. It boils my fucking blood.

Novemberinthechair · 2021-07-07T05:56:35+00:00

Oh wow. Has anyone here ever read "The Power" ? This guy's post nake that story pure karma.

Woman_on_Pause · 2021-07-07T13:51:28+00:00

With this logic, wouldn't this also be true?
Without sex workers, the men who "cant' control themselves" will be charged and arrested and their arrests will let other men know that this isn't acceptable behavior and we will have no need for a sex worker.

I can't stand false equivalents.

BoredOfBeing · 2021-07-07T17:03:57+00:00

✨Be violent to women I consider lower class not me✨

dkwantsdk · 2021-07-08T02:51:45+00:00

Wait I thought sex work was empowering??! 🤡

pqrsthrowawayyyyy · 2021-07-07T17:53:51+00:00

I think the saddest part of this, is that it’s not logical at all, but it’s also partly the truth. Most men are one beer away from being animals. I shudder to think of a world where they don’t go home after work and tug one out to some warped fantasy on a screen. I’m not dumb enough to believe that women in sex work actually do any good. I just mean… the absence of it is disturbing to think of.

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