ABC will air a 20/20 program about Manosphere and Mens Rights groups harassing women online. Anita Sarkeesian has a starring role and will talk about the "abuse" she received from men online. I wonder if ABC will mention MRAs being attacked and abused by feminists in Toronto twice this year.

Space_Ninja · 2013-10-17T07:25:30+00:00

Anita sure knows how to profit from being a damsel in distress.

DougDante · 2013-10-17T02:47:16+00:00

My comment:

Thank you for reporting on the men's rights movement, but I feel this report is a bit biased. Consider checking out the reddit Men's Rights FAQ. Here are some quotes from our reddit community members:

"thought I had to share with the community that gave me a lot." - an abused boy.

"I was actually feeling very depressed and suicidal earlier .. Reading the posts I stumbled upon by accident here has dramatically improved my mood - one less thing that I don't feel so isolated on. Thanks for allowing this community to exist!"

"here you can find help and here we are all brothers and sisters that just want to make the world a better place."

"I want to stand up for mens rights. I grew up very oppressed, but never thought poorly of it that way. I always thought that being a man meant that I was supposed to be seen as a "pig" or worse."

"As a male survivor, I learned early on not to talk about it, because it makes me the butt of jokes and ridicule. It's assumed that I wanted it, it's assumed that I'm supposed to be some kind of insatiable horndog .. Thanks for being there to read a little bit of my f***** up story. Thanks for trying to do something about it. When I can't stand up and talk about it, I'm glad that there are people who will."

"For the last 4 years my Sons Mother has been out of our life. She lives nearby and chooses to have nothing to do with him. .. I have been battling [prejudice] since his mother left when he was 2 years old."

"I want to talk about how I was suckered into a hate movement .. men are the enemy .. Paranoia and irrational hatred drives radical feminism. .. [I left because] I couldn't stay that way with my integrity intact. "

"Hi Guys, I am [Liz] a journalist with a New York based digital news agency launching in two weeks .. For everyone who has responded: THANK YOU SO MUCH. Your stories are amazing and you are all brave to tell them."

", I am a 23 year old man who happens to be gay, I am out and proud but it does not define me. ... I want to say I'm overwhelmed with the positive reasponse, I did not now what to expect after what I was told about the MRM, I'm glad what I was told was wrong! I will be sticking around and contribute where I can."

"I am a gay man as well. The MRM is a movement I support."

So, ABC News, make any report you want. Make it as biased as you like. It will make no difference. Our community will still stand with victims.

edit: first copy deleted. no explanation. posted second copy.

edit: second copy deleted! They really hate the truth over at ABC News.

on third repost, added with preamble:

3rd repost. ABC news, stop trying to censor the voices of victims because they are men and boys!

Remember: "Journalists should: — Avoid stereotyping by race, gender, age, religion, ethnicity, geography, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance or social status." -SPJ Code of Ethics

actanonverba8 · 2013-10-17T02:16:08+00:00

This is the comment I left:

Regardless of whatever one-sided stories ABC news does on behalf of feminists, it will only help the Men´s Human Rights Movement (MHRM). New people will visit these web sites; they´ll converse with others; and, they´ll examine the evidence. After all, women and men like to make up their own minds, regardless of how much feminists and the media try tell them what to think.

Just look, for example, at how biased THIS article is. Already, right in the title, the authors try to decide the conclusion for the readers. The first paragraph is completely anti-MHRM and not-so-subtly implies that decent, law-abiding citizens conversing normally online are menacing, "deep in the underbelly of the internet." Although the authors quote Paul Elam a little in order to throw up a thin veneer of objectivity, they return immediately to their one-sided story. The article´s closing, naturally, is given to huckster, misandrist, and professional victim-player Jaclyn Friedman. As far as the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) and A Voice for Men (AVFM), most people don´t know how all this stuff began.

It started when someone visited a feminist website and was disturbed by the contents. This person captured screen shots of the discussions that were taking place on that feminist web site. These screenshots came to be known on the internet as the "Agent Orange Files". These files were shared with the AVFM web site which ran a story on them.

The Agent Orange Files captured feminists openly and proudly having discussions that would make Aileen Wuornos blush. These feminists openly and proudly talking about culling the male population down to 10% of the human population. They were openly and proudly discussing the strategy of mothers DELIBERATELY allowing male infants to fail-to-thrive, so their well-nourished sisters could grow up bigger and stronger than them. The feminsts on this web site were talking about a lot of horrible things. The misandry was dripping from the pages.

Who were these feminists? Were they a bunch of kooky recluses who couldn´t possibly have an impact in the real world? Nope. Many were professionals. One is a popular author. Another discusses her work for the United Nations. Among the more blue collar is a woman who works for a daycare center. She described her frustration with and hatred for the little boys in her care. After all, they´re males, right?

Once the Agent Orange Files went out on the internet, the feminists on that web site were quite upset. Rather than engage in some self-examination and ponder why lies and misandry are wrong, they decided to attack the AVFM web site (and MHRM in general). One of the women on the web site said she would use her contacts at SPLC to strike out against the MHRM (the feminist website itself gave financial contributions to SPLC). Surprise, surprise! Not long after that, the SPLC put out a hit-piece against the MHRM. You see, one thing about the the Southern Poverty Law Center, it´s anything but impoverished. This well-funded, highly partisan, biased organization brings in millions. The fact of the matter is: The only poverty going on at the SPLC is a poverty of integrity.

At this point, the feminists and their fawning media are getting desperate. It´s getting harder and harder for them to keep up the charades. The public is catching on to them. So, what do they have left? Censorship and bullying. That´s about it. They´ve been reduced to trying to silence and harrass anyone who disagrees with them. It´s pretty sad.

I´m glad the media is putting out propaganda pieces like this and I personally look forward to discussing the issues with new people at AVFM and other web sites in the MHRM community.

EDIT: The feminist-allied brownshirts at ABC deleted my comment and banned me from the thread when I kept re-submitting it. I noticed that "TheBilbo Sez" copy/pasted and re-submitted it again on my behalf. Thank you TheBilbo Sez. It will get deleted again; but, thank you for getting my back. MRA´s getting each other´s backs is what it´s all about. "I´m Spartacus!"

EDIT 2: Thank you VERY much to all those who have been re-submitting the comment and frustrating the ABC News censors. They don´t seem to like this comment at all. One technique that I think might be useful:

I think that changing the word-count makes it harder for the ABC mods to detect it. I saw someone last night who typed in "UPDATE" after copy/pasting the quote, and then proceeded to make his own commment about why he was re-submitting. His re-submit stayed up for a good while.

SRSLovesGawker · 2013-10-17T01:25:54+00:00

I wonder if she'll mention that she deliberately went to /b/ to stir up the hornet nest, enabling her to exploit the conditioned outrage of reactionary women for fun and profit.

Nah.

Frankly_No · 2013-10-17T01:38:15+00:00

Jesus fucking christ they brought Sarkeesian into this, and they blamed her entire harassment on the men's rights movement. I'm sorry, I can't. Usually I just grimace at this kind of stuff and move on. But this level of bullshit is too much.

xXCptCoolXx · 2013-10-17T01:37:54+00:00

Any publicity is good publicity. Personally, I'm willing to put up with lots of trolls in the next couple of weeks flooding this sub if it means even 10% of them learn something and stick around.

Let them say what they want to say about us, anyone who comes here and actually engages with the community will see what we're truly about.

BalllsackTBaghard · 2013-10-17T05:14:56+00:00

I haven't felt enraged in a while concerning the libel that oozes from camp feminist, not since the SPLC libel that deviously attempted to conflate mass murderers with the men's rights movement.

These people are dastardly, repugnant, low, and without an iota of dignity.

Sarkeesian was hit by an internet mob of trolls not related to the men's rights movement, but it is convenient for these duplicitous liars at ABC to place the blame on an unrelated entity in an attempt to smear the MRM.

Grow the fuck up you propagandists at ABC.

_Mayhem_ · 2013-10-17T01:22:05+00:00

MRAs faked the moon landing too, and killed JFK. They are also responsible for the black plague.

JamesJohnHardy · 2013-10-17T08:51:08+00:00

Look at the snotty way the interviewer looks at Elam in the video. How staggeringly ignorant do you have to be not to understand how much men lose in marriage today?

My guess is that she's perfectly aware of his point of view, but looking at him and talking to him in that way is her snobby and indirect way of denigrating him and the MRM before the audience.

CosmicKeys · 2013-10-17T06:10:28+00:00

I just want to remind everyone about what she considers abuse:

http://femfreq.tumblr.com/post/52673540142/twitter-vs-female-protagonists-in-video-games

Yes, this poor woman has been subjected to comments such as "Stop pushing your feminist agend in video games" and "shut up".

edit: To those in AMR, come down and debate me like a real woman.

RockChalk37 · 2013-10-17T02:08:01+00:00

Anita is a fraud.

SilencingNarrative · 2013-10-17T13:33:11+00:00

MRAs completely owned the comments section. Well done everyone.

tarfogog · 2013-10-17T02:24:06+00:00

This is good news. If network tv is going to talk about MRA's its going to get very crowded around here. I hope they pay Anita all the YouTube cash she deserves.

ThePigmanAgain · 2013-10-17T01:26:21+00:00

Looks like it's going to be exactly the attack piece Elam predicted. I wonder if these morons realize this kind of shit just makes us angrier and more determined to take them all down?

Clauderoughly · 2013-10-17T02:12:15+00:00

It's a fucking hit piece, designed to send feminists into a self righteous foamy orgasm.

Men's groups are an easy target to bash, because society doesn't give a fuck about men for the most part, and feminists can cry and point and scream "Misogyny !"

MoreFreeSpeech · 2013-10-17T05:49:54+00:00

Sarkeesian campaigned to have Facebook posts and pages censored? What kind of cowardly group would support such an affront, for any reason, to free and unfettered speech?

Your_Bacon_Counselor · 2013-10-17T03:34:17+00:00

Watch the subscriber meter start rollin' up!

Whisper · 2013-10-17T06:57:29+00:00

The definition of MRA will, of course, be anyone who sent her a nasty note. No actual MRAs will be interviewed.

American83 · 2013-10-17T03:43:13+00:00

This must have been a painful interview for Paul.

The interviewer is not very friendly.

butter14 · 2013-10-17T03:58:35+00:00

This is how the gay rights movement started. First indifference, then anger and finally acceptance. At this point, any publicity is good publicity.

2013-10-17T09:50:02+00:00

I really wouldn't be surprised if they took all the upset comments on the article and claimed it as another example of the "online hate campaign"...

ghebert001 · 2013-10-17T10:07:00+00:00

My comment (in case it gets deleted, I'll be able to re-post it):

"This is going to be nothing more than a pro-feminist hit-piece against men's human rights activism. I'd be surprised if they actually divert from the "man bad, woman good" mentality here. If anybody wants to really know what men's human rights activism is about or have a pre-conceived notion that it's filled with hate against women, note that A Voice For Men, Elam's site has many women among its editorial staff including Erin Pizzey, founder of the first women's shelter in the UK. Check their site, read an article or two and make up your own opinion of them. Karen Straughan, also part of AVfM, has a youtube channel that comes very highly recommended and has several videos that will definitely challenge your views. It's already going around some circles (such as reddit's men's rights community) that pro-feminist moderators are deleting comments similar to mine and banning users for doing nothing more than having a point of view they don't like...much like many religious fundamentalists, feminism can't stand any opposing point of view but instead of burning someone at the stake for "heresy" or "blasphemy" they just delete comments and ban users on forums denying them their freedom of speech. Not to mention they pull fire alarms at university campuses where civil discussions regarding issues men and boys face are held and scream vile obscenities at people trying to attend (search u of t protest on youtube)."

2013-10-17T15:20:06+00:00

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

-Mahatma Gandhi

fukuaneveryoneuknow · 2013-10-17T05:17:56+00:00

Stuff like this is why I just love hearing supposed "MRAs" coming here and telling us how wrong we are for being anti-feminist.

Mytecacc · 2013-10-17T10:13:22+00:00

Sarkeesian will have her name forever associated with lies and scams,if it is not already.

Adarashilo · 2013-10-17T11:47:23+00:00

Doesn't everyone harass everyone on the internet?

2013-10-17T11:58:36+00:00

So basically they are blaming all men for all the trolls of the internet?

Jeff_R · 2013-10-17T15:17:00+00:00

I just wish they'd ask her what she did with all that kickstarter money...$158k for three videos anyone could make with a camcorder and a tripod.

uberpower · 2013-10-17T15:59:21+00:00

I completely expect a politically correct college-educated major media source to treat men's rights with the same respect as women's rights.

hahaha

notnotnotfred · 2013-10-17T16:50:44+00:00

http://i.imgur.com/bibaoqE.jpg

Estephe · 2013-10-18T00:01:48+00:00

ABC. All Bull Crap.

BalllsackTBaghard · 2013-10-17T10:01:49+00:00

Deep in the underbelly of the Internet is a hidden corner known as the "Manosphere"— a collection of websites, Facebook pages and chat rooms where men vent their rage and spew anti-women rhetoric.

haha, the first paragraph is already complete BS. I didn't even read further. This place has never been anti-women, it is just anti the system of legal and political agendas that are biased against men.

I don't even know who watches 20/20, but I don't actually see this as a threat or anything. Just seems desperate. As has been said countless times, this just publicity, rational people will see through the BS and make up their mind after they have learned more about the MRHM.

knowless · 2013-10-17T15:21:55+00:00

"his rhetoric is problematic" I can't take that word seriously, it shows innate bias just by it's use.

Phototoxin · 2013-10-17T06:40:21+00:00

Sorry once I saw 'Sarkeesian' my feminazi shields went up.

VideoLinkBot · 2013-10-17T15:47:20+00:00

Here is a list of video links collected from comments that redditors have made in response to this submission:

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actanonverba8	199	I'm Spartacus Ext. Length
Goat-headed-boy	3	Warren Farrell protest at the University of Toronto - Full version
nerdflu	1	Anita Sarkeesian: the Early Years
nerdflu	1	Pinocchio Sarkeesian
nerdflu	1	Anonymous calls out the Media about Anita Sarkeesian
nerdflu	1	Anita Sarkeesian is Not a Real Gamer
nerdflu	1	Mos Eisley

rogersmith25 · 2013-10-17T16:28:10+00:00

Protected by the anonymity of the Internet, men feel free to post hateful and violent comments. Posts such as "I really wouldn't mind shooting a [expletive] dead in the face..."

This is the thesis of the hit piece on the MRM and Anita Sarkeesian is featured as the main "victim". Did nobody inform ABC that Sarkeesian posted a murder-fantasy story where she murders a prominent video game designer?

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1kdbkg/anita_sarkeesian_posts_violent_murder_fantasy_of/

There are people who post empty threats to troll for attention, "protected by the anonymity of the Internet" which means that *we don't even know if these people are men! Meanwhile, Sarkeesian gets a free pass on posting a story:

“Don’t worry, Randy. It takes a big person, man or woman, to admit they were wrong. And you’re right, you don’t deserve to die for that.”

“Oh, great, because for a second there I was really worried-”

[Anita] shot him once, twice, three times, the sound of the shots echoing in the grand hall of Gearbox Studios.

2013-10-17T01:45:08+00:00

Just to be careful, it looks from the linked article that Sarkeesian will probably have a starring role, but I don't think that's been confirmed in any real way just yet.

gsettle · 2013-10-17T16:21:27+00:00

Doubtful the 20/20 episode will mention the Toronto feminists and their she-nanigans. Mainstream media is extremely bias in everything it airs. This is what they like to call "Fair Coverage".

JaydenPope · 2013-10-17T21:41:36+00:00

Oh man, this shall be good. Hopefully someone will record that hilarious bullshit and post it up for all to lul at.

DangerDick26 · 2013-10-17T03:33:57+00:00

I have never met a person that likes feminists. Hopefully they do this right and make them look like the fools that they are.

Le4chanFTW · 2013-10-17T05:13:44+00:00

Isn't ABC the network that runs Good Morning America? I noticed they really love these sensationalist pieces about women being harassed on the internet. Seems like they've had a hard-on for this junk ever since Jessi Slaughter happened.

Vexercist · 2013-10-17T10:51:35+00:00

Deep in the underbelly of the Internet is a hidden corner known as the "Manosphere"— a collection of websites, Facebook pages and chat rooms where men vent their rage and spew anti-women rhetoric.

This 'manosphere' group sounds a bit harsh. If I ever come across it while perusing the 'deep underbelly of the internet' I must remember to ask what their deal is, and why they've chosen such a silly name.

2013-10-17T05:39:47+00:00

Great! Mainstream coverage like this will speak to those who were previously unaware of the MRM and will now join. It will only bring greater awareness to our cause!

Eulabeia · 2013-10-17T05:45:37+00:00

lol at the fear and anger in the interviewer's face

Jriac · 2013-10-17T15:05:39+00:00

Where are the comments? Have they been closed altogether?

VortexCortex · 2013-10-22T16:01:36+00:00

Wow, they've deleted damn near EVERY comment that had anything to do with correcting the bullshit they spouted.

Ivan_Fackoff · 2013-10-28T14:08:41+00:00

If it wan't for Disqus ABC would shrivel and die. They are seriously underestimated MRM and that's why they are reactant to air the show. They see our potential and don't want to make future enemies.

Bla34112 · 2013-10-17T06:15:19+00:00

That was more than a little ridiculous...

Willravel · 2013-10-18T14:38:45+00:00

The movement could take this opportunity to drum the misogynists, anti-feminists, and general morons out. Could.

_Mayhem_ · 2013-10-17T02:19:51+00:00

I'm guessing NO.

texasjoe · 2013-10-17T13:19:13+00:00

This whole thing bothers me. Why can't we all get along, and express our opinions in a non hateful manner?

Dragonsoul · 2013-10-17T12:01:52+00:00

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rg57 · 2013-10-17T07:31:58+00:00

We're all missing the point here. People watch 20/20?

This, I am told, is the frickin' golden age of television. Friday nights at 10, you got Bill Maher. You have the end of Great Performances 40th anniversary celebration (star-studded). AC 360 Later. Dateline NBC. You also have a thing called "a life", because honestly I'm not buying this golden age of TV. Who is watching 20/20? That's the news story right there, if you ask me.

Capitalsman · 2013-10-18T04:39:43+00:00

Does she own anything other than that suit jacket and huge hoop earings? Everytime she makes any public appearance, news or a public speaking thing, she is always wearing those things with a shirt that almost reveals her clevage.

MrAnonymousHimself · 2013-10-18T13:28:30+00:00

I contacted 20/20 on the ABC website and sent them this "The article titled "Women Battle Online Anti-Women Hate From the 'Manosphere'" is one-sided. It only shows the bad seeds of the Men's Rights Movement. You could easily do the same thing for the Feminists. There are bad seeds in every group that exists. Unfortunately that is a fact of life. I am bothered that a Media company as large as ABC did not do more research on this issue. If they had, you'd easily know that Anita Sarkeesian is a bad seed and not a reliable source." I think that others should do the same. Maybe it will be noticed then.

Note: I would have gone into more details than that, but there is a 500 character limit. When I mentioned "bad seeds" I wasn't referring to Elam, but those that have posted violent comments on sites or towards individuals.

GregoryPanic · 2013-10-17T05:02:22+00:00

Based on the video... i'm not really sure this is going to be as biased as some of you have knee-jerked.

If you actually read past the first paragraph, it almost immediately gives a fair sided rebuttal to the introduction. It then follows up with fact, though maybe spun in such a way that suggests inadequate understanding of internet culture.

Before you jump on ABC and start spewing obscenities and ridiculous accusation, maybe take the time to watch the full report on friday and respond critically.

JoshtheAspie · 2013-10-17T08:56:02+00:00

Hmm, a homosexual controlled news agency giving support to homosexual operatives trying to hijack the MRM, how quaint. No wonder the MRM is lurching to oblivion and more radical elements such as MGTOW are blooming.

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