The truth about false rape accusation

fhoward · 2013-01-08T13:18:22+00:00

I'm glad a graphic like this is being made, but I have a few comments:

1) What specifically would you say is wrong with the FBI studies that the huffpost article with that original infographic cited? I assume it has to do with the fact that the % of unreported rapes was self reported or something?

2) The 3rd fact could use a %. What is the rate at which women falsely report other crimes vs rate.

3) Are there any statistics gathered on the rape of men? I'd love to see a graphic that doesn't indicate only men are rapists.

4) I think the message of this image is a little extremist, probably could be more well received if it didn't have stuff about drinking the feminist kool-aid and was more focused on the terrors of false accusation. I'm sure many people on this subreddit would love to vilify feminists, but that's a pretty unpopular view and might cause the larger message to be lost.

benevolentwalrus · 2013-01-08T15:09:40+00:00

1-in-1877, really? I really don't think you'd have to talk to 1877 campus women to find one who's been raped or sexually assaulted (or even 188 for that matter). Also, the citation for that point is a joke.

Edit: After looking at it, the Kanin study is also a bad joke. His sample size is 109 (laughably small if you're trying to generalize nationally) and his methodology is to just trust the police department of a small Midwestern town to accurately record when rape allegations are false. Not to mention it's nearly 20 years old.

False rape accusations are terrible and most certainly do happen, but this is no more informational than any other sexual violence rhetoric. The numbers just aren't supported by the evidence.

sultanate · 2013-01-08T12:49:29+00:00

I like that you've compiled your sources and actually cited them, and it serves as a great counter to this extremely misleading graphic.

My only gripe with it is the inclusion of the Air Force study. Personally I think it seems a bit dated, and of anyone has any more recent data on this issue pertaining to military, I'd love to see it. A lot has changed for female service members in the last 27 or so years.

EDIT: I'm bad at math, I guess.

sibqm_lmvm · 2013-01-08T16:18:55+00:00

Found this comment in the TwoX thread:

The graph is completely wrong. It does not match their sources at all. How did they even figure out the number of rapists? Rapes are measured not rapists. All figures exclude any men being raped, probably as a definitional matter. You also can't measure those falsely accused, because you don't know how many of those reported and not prosecuted were false claims. That also ignores non-legal accusations that can be thrown.

If I was even going to be generous and turn rapists in to rapes it would still be awful. The rapes vs reported, for example, on their graph is 1 in 10, while the Crime Victimization Survey puts it at 27% in 2011, which is strange because it was 50% reported in 2010.

>Some reports suggest that only 5-25% of rapes are reported to authorities. Other suggest that close to half are reported. We assumed 10%, which is dramatic, but possible.

Oh, I see. They just picked a low number out of thin air.

>This infographic doesn’t do a perfect job, but it combines data from several sources, both domestic and international.

Great! The sources could be mixed from Uganda, USA and the United Kingdom! This makes it highly informative. We aren't even talking about the US, that makes sense of it. We are talking about a mix of sources from all over the world where they pick a low estimate because they want to.

If you wanted to increase the number of convictions, the best single way to do it would be not to drop your claim or refuse to cooperate. Dropping the rape claim or refusing to cooperate are cited as the top reason for prosecutions not happening and cases being closed.

Adake · 2013-01-08T12:27:47+00:00

Christ, the two stories of the boys that were assaulted were extremely saddening.

Moustachiod_T-Rex · 2013-01-08T13:20:28+00:00

Whilst debunking that original graphic is very important, I object to the emotive use of those insets of the bloodied faces of falsely accused kids. It's manipulative. It's a point better made with words and a citation.

I also think that one of the key problems with the original graphic is that it the number of 'rapists' comes from a very highly flawed crime victimisation survey (I believe?). Explaining why the source used to create the graphic would be a much more succinct way of debunking it, rather than going through this very secondary route of not really debunking the graphic but rather just supplying contradictory facts.

McPuccio · 2013-01-08T13:38:44+00:00

SO MANY SOURCES.

I dig it.

If someone showed me the original infographic with a bunch of reputable sources I'd also say...

SO MANY SOURCES.

Sources win the day, and the argument.

McFeely_Smackup · 2013-01-08T22:39:56+00:00

I'm a former police officer, and for 6 years I was responsible for compiling the year-end crime statistics.

"False Rape Accusation" was a statistic we specifically tracked. Who decided that I don't know, but there was no "study" needed, you just had to read my report every year.

In the 6 years I compiled the numbers, our "false rape accusation" percentage never fell below 33%, and one year was 100% (1 out of 1...we didn't have any real rapes that year).

And just to be clear, "false" was defined not as "unfounded" or "found not guilty", it was defined as the accuser saying "I made it up"...so it's entirely possible the false number was even higher without the person ever admitting it.

Anyone who downplays false rape accusations isnt' living in the real world. It's far more common than they'd have you believe.

You know how you always hear "3/4 of rapes are never reported"...well, how many FALSE rape accusations are never reported? As in "if you don't do 'x' I'll say you raped me". False rape is a fantastically under reported phenomenon and there is significant political pressure to keep it that way.

noodleworm · 2013-01-08T14:02:31+00:00

Its a good point, though i believe the point of the original graphic, even though misleading, was probably to encourage more women to report their rapes. I do know of a lot of girls who were raped and didn't report them, because anything other than stranger in a dark alley becomes 'he says, she says'. So I would have some doubts, if a large number of reports were recanted, does not necessarily mean it never happened, more so that the pressure of trial was just not worth it.

False rape claims are really serious and need to stop, but since I know women who have suffered, I hate the fact they think no one believe them.

CatManDontDo · 2013-01-08T13:07:56+00:00

This is why I love /r/MensRights because of the facts.

fearlessducttaper · 2013-01-08T15:30:12+00:00

My now ex-husband had sex with my body while I was asleep and I woke up towards his end as he came on me. I find it mentally traumatic because he had been doing that off and on (he admitted to me in an argument at the courthouse) and was probably how he got me pregnant twice.

I had tried to file for rape, but because we were married the cops said it didnt count.

Is it not rape?

ellecon · 2013-01-08T17:33:53+00:00

When I was in college, I was dancing on the weekends to make money, so I had a stripper body and I'm kinda pretty too. I would have no problem talking about sex in class, and I wore sexy clothes most of the time. (Because I could before kids....boohoo....) Anyways, I went to parties and drank,got baked,etc.etc....

Not a single person ever tried to rape me during those years. There were a lot of attempted kisses and things of that ilk, but a fumbled pass isn't rape. I've made passes at people that were unwelcome but I'm not a rapist and because I'm female no one has ever called sexual harassment either.

2013-01-08T10:56:10+00:00

That's the best reworking that I've seen.

2013-01-08T10:31:17+00:00

Hopefully the truth gets upvoted on here.

salient_punt · 2013-01-08T13:12:02+00:00

The downvote brigade is here.

salient_punt · 2013-01-08T15:13:16+00:00

What exactly is the point of the downvote brigade in /mensrights? I understand they want to shout down reason in /politics etc. but they can't actually believe the impact opinions here.

nowatermelonnokfc · 2013-01-08T15:18:51+00:00

not to mention the probably extremely loosely defined rape they use in the first place

12358 · 2013-01-08T15:14:48+00:00

The original graphic, besides showing the lowest estimate of false accusations, implies that falsely accused people are not reported to authorities, did not have to face trial, and were not jailed.

rshortman · 2013-01-08T16:07:26+00:00

Woman here...

Lies about rape are more common than actual rape. I know so many girls who lied about getting raped it's not even funny.

2013-01-08T16:21:21+00:00

hey now that statistic about 1 in 4 women being sexually assaulted is true, because sexual assault now includes things like having your ass grabbed on the dance floor

by this measure I've been sexually assaulted dozens of times, I should apply for some sort of federal assistance

Coinin · 2013-01-08T15:21:07+00:00

I upvoted, but I think any infographic like this should emphasise that false accusations by definition are an unquantifiable thing. If we had an absolutely foolproof method of testing the veracity of an accusation we wouldn't need trials and there would be no false accusations. The fact that any false accusations result in sentencing shows that we don't know the scale of the problem.

rockyali · 2013-01-08T16:40:36+00:00

What is your anecdotal experience with this?

I seem to know a lot of women who have been raped, and only one who went to the police about it. I know a couple who were making stuff up as well. That said, I know a number of men who were molested as kids, but not many raped as adults (at least not that they tell me about).

Just wondering how other people's experiences match up (especially since the study data seem to be pretty flawed).

Spooman11 · 2013-01-08T18:22:52+00:00

When I was 16 me and my buddy trashed several windows around our city, broke into a snack vending machine at our local rail station and stole 2 small old mopes. When we got caught he got into a juvenile shelter (did other stuff that was against the law before), my disciplinary measure was to pay everything I destroyed back + help out on a farm for 12 days. On this farm they told me (the familiy was really nice actually) that they had a 15 year old girl earlier that year (they took 4-5 teenagers each year since it got them some easy money). This girl accused her teacher of raping her, she got 7 days on the farm and didn't have to pay shit back.

boys trashing some windows and stealing mopeds punished harder than a girl guilty of false rape accusation. Any feminist I've met up til now just stfu about how unfair women are treated in our society after I told her that.

MmmOnions · 2013-01-08T20:59:24+00:00

Thank you. We do not live in or exist in a world that has a "Culture of Rape" and I'm tired of hearing that we do.

Nitzi · 2013-01-08T16:18:14+00:00

I dont understand why people would go and execute someone who has been accused of a crime, I mean we have a system, its forbidden to do that, yet people kill each other. Do they even think that's wrong?

cdcox · 2013-01-08T16:39:35+00:00

I usually wouldn't bother debating this but seeing as it's number 60 on /r/all

The Kanin study is shit:

"Also included in Rumney’s listing is a study by Kanin (1994), one of the very few U.S.- based studies of false allegations that is both widely referenced and criticized (Lisak, 2007; Rumney, 2006). Kanin reported that 41% of 109 consecutive rape cases investigated by the police department of a small, Midwestern city over a 9-year period were determined to be false reports. Unfortunately, Kanin provides little information about the methods used to evaluate the police department’s system for classifying cases. The study did not appear to employ a definition of a false report. Rather, Kanin asserted that a rape allegation was classified as a false report if the complainant “admitted they are false” (p. 82). Kanin recorded a case as a false report when he was notified by the police department that a case had been so classified. Kanin reported that he was given access to police files and given the opportunity to ask follow-up questions, but he provided no details about what if any questions he asked nor how he scrutinized the police department’s decision-making process. He apparently used no systematized method for analyzing the police reports (e.g., a coding system) or any system of independent raters or coders to guard against bias. These are particularly important limitations, given that the police department he was studying used procedures that are now specifically discouraged by the U.S. Department of Justice and denounced by the IACP. According to Kanin, the police department always made a “serious offer” to polygraph the alleged victim, a procedure that is now widely viewed as an intimidation tactic that frequently persuades already hesitant rape victims to drop out of the criminal justice process. This procedure is so frowned upon that the 2005 reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act stipulates that any state in which agencies use the polygraph on sexual assault victims jeopardizes its eligibility for certain grants, and a number of states have passed laws prohibiting the use of the polygraph to determine whether charges should be filed in a sexual assault case (IACP, 2005b)." Lisak et al 2010

Most other studies where they actually looked into cases instead of trusting some overarching standard reveal around 2-10%. Lisak et al 2010 has a nice discussion and analysis of all studies up to 2010. I'm not saying this study is definitive, but the literature is FAR more mixed than this presents.

Anyone can find a study saying just about anything. Citing a single study or even a handful of studies that don't include a proper literature review is a good way to end up with bad information. I don't care very much as this isn't my area, but citing three pieces of literature and claiming you 'refuted' the original is hardly fair. Indeed I'm not claiming to refute you with my one article which reviews the literature and analyzes several studies, I'm just pointing out your fact is not necessarily true.

HoopyFreud · 2013-01-08T17:15:54+00:00

Its a Major, major perversion of US law enforcement that now fosters and enables a "Culture of false rape accusations".

Not only is the manufactured statistics that only 2% of rape accusations are false, a stain on American law enforcement, Its also very likely unconstitutional.

N64Overclocked · 2013-01-08T17:55:05+00:00

Thank you for this. When they say things at assemblies in HS and college to the effect of "It's likely that one of the guys sitting around you is going to rape you" it pisses me off to no end. I'm certainly not capable of raping anybody, and I know that all of my male friends are the same way (granted some of them are so afraid of girls they run away when a cute one says "hi"). I'm sick of scare tactics that serve to put one gender down.

JockeVXO · 2013-01-08T19:02:15+00:00

The three main problems with the original chart are:

It uses flawed statistics and poses them as axioms.
It fails to recognise female perpetration (they didn't even add a low female-perpetration prevalence, the perception of which comes from a sexist definition of rape).
It assumes all those alleged rapes (reported or unreported) were true unless they were proven to have been malicious lies. It is as accurate to say that only those jailed were guilty rapists (even though not even that is true, there are many falsely imprisoned) and the rest are false accusations. However, they don't even entertain this possibility and instead push their own dogmatic agenda as the truth regarding rape perpetration and prosecution.

They even refuse to consider that any of the cases where the accused was found not guilty, but the accuser was not found to have made a malicious false accusation, may have been actually innocent. It is sickening really. Guilty until proven innocent, and even then you're still guilty, you just got away with it...

washburncrosby · 2013-01-08T12:41:16+00:00

Feminism should have taught Women that being strong means being strong enough to not falsely accuse someone of rape to get what they want. Instead it has only taught many Women to act like self centered douchebags and use their emotional state to corner people into doing what they want. False accusations? You bet. Telling lies while crying is a great way to get what you want. It's a huge issue that most Women don't want to talk about and most men while perceiving emotional changes — often do not see the manipulation behind them. Is this Women in general? Not yet, but the younger generations of American women have no idea what it was like [before feminism, before the sexual revolution] and take everything for granted all while acting like manipulative shitty frat boys with emotional problems.

shadowbanned6 · 2013-01-08T14:15:44+00:00

While incidents of vindictive false-rape accusations certainly exist, I think they are rare and frequently easily disproved (not that the damage isn't often done before the disprovinization occurs).

The real problem with false-rape accusations, and the problem with any study that attempts to determine a percentage of rape accusations that are false, is that frequently people honestly believe that they were raped when then alleged perpetrator honestly believes that no rape occurred.

To the dismay of this subreddit, I'll use traditional gender stereotypes, but it is the classic example of a guy & and a girl being together, drinking and the guy thinking he's getting "signals". They end up having sex and the next day, the two have a completely different perspective on what took place. Or, even worse, the girl is sitting around her dorm room 2 months later telling her friends about the night and how she feels bad about it, and they all start telling her that she was raped.

Until we get to a point where we all have a clear-cut understanding and agreement of what constitutes a rape and what doesn't, there are always going to be accusations that are labeled as false accusations. As men, the best thing we can do is protect ourselves as best we can by (a) not having sex with someone who has been drinking, (b) only having sex with people we trust (and are likely in a long-term relationship with) and (c) getting signed permission slips from our partners before engaging in sexual activity and clearly defining the sexual activity that is being consented to, as well as the necessary method to withdrawn that previously written consent.

apotshot · 2013-01-08T14:40:54+00:00

Trigger warning: sources, reality.

dungone · 2013-01-08T14:41:30+00:00

Can you provide the source for the 2nd picture of the 16yo geaten beat up? I can't find anything on him on google. I want to share that story with some people.

Thanks in advance.

2013-01-08T14:56:46+00:00

Thank you for doing the leg work and actually posting studies. I get exhausted and simply dismiss anything and anyone whom uses the phrases, "researchers state", "studies indicate", etc... Without linking or citing any real research!!! Bravo my friend. Bravo!

ju11ce · 2013-01-08T15:42:46+00:00

Very relevant: Joe Rogan and the Kilstein delusion

geomn13 · 2013-01-08T16:13:47+00:00

Thanks for fixing this OP. I knew the original graphic was horribly wrong and misleading, didn't know there were so many good sources to prove it though!

tandem7 · 2013-01-08T17:00:07+00:00

I'm curious what you think of this article posted by Slate, on the same subject? It has a somewhat different conclusion, although it agrees that the infographic is misleading.

automatedresponse · 2013-01-08T18:41:08+00:00

I'm glad men's rights is around. a few years ago I might have seen that initial graphic and not blinked an eye, but now I know it's wildly skewed to appease anti-male interests.

It's sad that in a country like ours, that by most accounts will protect women and is safer than the rest of the world when it comes to sexual abuse, that some people will seek to use our laws to circumvent that society and punish men who don't do what they want.

ReverendHaze · 2013-01-08T19:17:31+00:00

I already examined some of the sources for the original infographic in another thread, so I'll just copy the text from my other response here.

I'll bite. The numbers and methods used to generate this graph are dishonest at best.

For starters, the NDAA report on the prevalence of false rape claims is questionable.

The only US study cited placed the number at 7%.

The other studies fall into two categories: Studies that placed the number as high as 10% and studies that placed the number as low as 2%. The higher studies are either given brief statements or discredited, with the 10% statistic being discredited because it was carried out by the police. The lower studies, on the other hand, are lauded for their use of "quantitative and qualitative methods" without going into substantive detail about why the methods employed by these studies are better than the equally "quantitative and qualitative" methods employed by the other studies.

The final conclusion is that the number lies somewhere between 2% (about equal to the lowest study) and 8% (below two of the studies cited, including one against which no argument is made). Even accepting this conclusion wholeheartedly, the infographic assumes the lowest number available, 2% when the midpoint of the numbers provided would have been two and a half times that.

Moving on to the other numbers, the reporting rates are pulled from a UK paper that states, and I quote, "It is currently estimated that between 75 and 95 per cent of rape crimes are never reported to the police." The paper offers no further information about how the information for this claim was generated, no further support for these numbers and never mentions them again in the entirety of the document. The creators of the infographic once again chose the extreme rather than the midpoint and went with 10%. This is not quite as dishonest as the earlier choice, but once again paints the picture that the creators wished to paint.

Moreover, since the cited numbers are unsubstantiated, the use of those numbers makes the numbers used by Enliven unsubstantiated. Additionally, the very way the graph is subdivided plays up rapists who got off while downplaying false accusations that never went to trial. If a case went to trial and a confession of a false accusation was later given, that case, by the methodology of the studies cited by the NDAA, would be a false accusation and would presumably be moved from the "faced trial" section to the "falsely accused" section, leading to the conclusion that less of the accused face trial than crime statistics would otherwise indicate. The same goes for reported.

EDIT: I had forgotten to add the following paragraph and have placed it in 23 minutes after the original posting prior to any responses:

Additionally, what are we to assume of those who are reported and not tried or tried but not convicted? No explicit statement is made and no rationale offered, but the color scheme of the graph is chosen in a very particular manner. As a case gets closer to conviction, it trends from beige towards red. Those in the darker groups (outside of falsely accused) are closer to conviction. Once again, no explicit point is made, but the implication is clear.

There is not a single number on this chart that was not in some way cherrypicked or manipulated to make the point that Enliven wanted to make over the numbers that the statistics would have supported. As I stated above, it's at best dishonest and better characterized as Machiavellian.

While the studies cited by the Enliven image leave much to be desired, the numbers cited in the above picture leave room for criticism as well. Much of the difference comes from different perspectives on the definition of what constitutes rape, as NDAA is likely to choose a very wide-reaching definition, while the military is likely to choose a much more restrictive definition. Additionally, the studies cited in the image are 18+ years old. The infographic is seriously biased, but countering dishonest information with equally extreme examples doesn't encourage honest discussion.

seraph85 · 2013-01-08T21:14:31+00:00

I have a little personal insight on the rape statistic from the military specifically the air force. Rape in the military has given the military a bad image to women wanting to join. My ex-wife was raped while we were serving in the Air Force. They essentially made her recant her claim and called her a liar and did a number on her mental health.

While I support this subreddit and this post in general take the military statistic with a grain of salt. The military tries its best to hide/reduce rape claims without a thought of the ramifications on individuals and families. Also the punishment for the guy you raped my ex he lost a stripe that'll learn him.

SirDerpingtonThe3rd · 2013-01-08T21:45:35+00:00

Shit, by the SRS definition of rape, we're all rapists if we've had sex before. "You mean she had one beer before willfully engaging in sex with you? RAPIST!" I'm sorry, I forgot people over the age of 18 aren't responsible for their own actions, oh wait, they are.

Rape is forced sex in which one participant is completely unwilling and is done so as a demeaning act. That is complete sociopath behavior and I don't buy that anywhere near the reported numbers of rapists can be both sociopaths AND elicit pleasure from forcing sex on an unwilling participant.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that this rape fearmongering is just a way for some socially conservative group to inhibit women sexually since increasing numbers of people don't buy into religion anymore.

throw_me_away_baby · 2013-01-08T11:18:49+00:00

This is brill. (just commenting so I have it saved in case I have to use it in the future)

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2013-01-08T17:47:23+00:00

I have no idea how many accusations made are false. And frankly it doesn't matter as long as it is N > 0.

I do have a problem with the original graphic because it A) it basically makes up the number of actual rapes that occurred but weren't reported as if that were a knowable stat and B) it makes no distinction between those who were reported and failed to go to conviction for legitimate reasons (ie no evidence a rape occurred) versus illegitimate reasons (the police chief laughing at your accusations, doing the secret sign of the patriarchy then tearing up you charges and sending the accused male the customary fruit basket).

So it's outrage factor is based on the assumption that all accusations made that aren't proven fraudulent (without confession a damn near impossible task) are then legitimate.

Froolow · 2013-01-08T18:05:08+00:00

I had a quick look at the Kanin study. It appears that Professor Kanin himself did not find a high percentage of the accusations were false, but rather relied on the number of accusations thrown out by detectives.

This itself would not be troubling if we assumed detectives were good judges of which cases were 'false' and which merely appeared false because of eg shaky victim testimony or unwillingness to submit for cross-examination, but this appears not to be the case; several other studies re-examining case data with a panel of experts have found far lower incidence:

O'Reily (1984)

Krasner, Meyer and Carol (1976)

Oregon Attorney General's Office (2006)

Kelly, Lovett and Regan (2005)

Do you have any explanation for why repeating Kanin's study using experts rather than non-experts should reduce the reported incidence of false accusation so dramatically? The only explanation I can think of is that Kanin inadvertently over-reports the false accusations because he is using a methodologically unsound criteria that sexual abuse experts would not, but I would enjoy a discussion of the methodology

falling2fast · 2013-01-08T18:57:29+00:00

I really want to post this on my FB, but a few of my friends have already posted the original image and I KNOW I'll catch a firestorm of crap if I try.

JustOffendedYou · 2013-01-08T21:16:35+00:00

to say nothing of the apparent 100% male rapists. or of serial rapists who commit the vast majority of offenses.

Raikumo · 2013-01-09T00:42:12+00:00

Coolio. I'm going to download this one. I really disliked the one posted on /r/TwoXChromosomes. At least I got more upvotes than downvotes for complaining about it.

CryAJagOnMe · 2013-01-09T03:44:34+00:00

I am very glad this was posted. Although statistics are often unreliable and are meant to be taken with a grain of salt, this one was just absurd. It would be so difficult (impossible) to obtain anything even vaguely resembling the true numbers, that making a statistics chart out of this is in itself wrong. The OP with those numbers is misleading and coercive, and helps no one. It enrages the people who bought it, because they're mad about the fact that everyone is getting raped, and it's almost as upsetting for people who can see that there is no method to obtain any accurate information on this subject. With that said, I also don't agree with the new numbers written either, because it will only cause other people to spout the same argument I just proposed, but against mens rights activists. There is no way to come up with the proper numbers, so I think numbers shouldn't even be used concerning this subject.

AllenJacoby · 2013-01-09T04:43:51+00:00

TwoXChromosomes sided with you guys on this one.

http://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/166s7g/amanda_marcotte_the_saddest_graph_youll_see_today/

Bla34112 · 2013-02-14T04:35:04+00:00

I think many of the claims you make are extreme and outlandish. Especially those pictures of people who have gotten hurt unjustly provide more shock value than actually valuable commentary.

None of the complaints I would've made are on there.

Soho_Joe · 2013-01-08T15:08:18+00:00

I think when the '1 in 4 women face rape or sexual assault' stat is used, it is not only referring to forced penetration. It likely also refers to date rape, unwanted sexual contact, and sex under the influence (since in these cases, substances impair one's ability to give informed consent).

Note: I am not saying that using substances doesn't also impair men's ability to give informed consent, nor am I saying that rape by forcible penetration doesn't also happen to men. I'm just advising that we use a little charity when interpreting that statistic. Lack of consensus surrounding the definition of rape probably accounts for the variability between rape stats in OP's post.

bomdiggabom · 2013-01-08T16:24:54+00:00

It's funny how many messages I've recieved saying "get over it" and I'm assuming you're all guys. Guys who have not woken up to a dick in your ass and a hand on your mouth. Cute.

occupythekitchen · 2013-01-08T17:32:51+00:00

What's the chart the picture and graph are superimposed on? i plan on using this graph soon and was wondering what exactly it's portraying....

xixoxixa · 2013-01-08T18:41:18+00:00

You should cross post this to 2X - see how they react over there.

Arby01 · 2013-01-08T19:17:36+00:00

It sounds like there are major problems with the Kanin study:

Kanin, Lisak writes, took his data from a police department whose investigation procedures are condemned by the U.S. Justice Department and the International Association of Chiefs of Police. These procedures include the almost universal[10] threat, in this department, of polygraph testing of complainants, which is viewed as a tactic of intimidation that leads victims to avoid the justice process[11] and which, Lisak says, is "based on the misperception that a significant percentage of sexual assault reports are false."[10] The police department's "biases...were then echoed in Kanin’s unchallenged reporting of their findings."[10]

From wiki.

TL;DR The police force was notorious for intimidating accusers into withdrawing their allegations.

RomeFlower · 2013-01-08T20:31:02+00:00

I would really like to hear a comment from a feminist about this.

frorge · 2013-01-08T20:58:42+00:00

that picture on the left, what is it showing?

billybishop4242 · 2013-01-09T02:04:22+00:00

this is the best infographic! ever.

ProjectOXCART · 2013-01-09T03:45:06+00:00

This is an excellent point and I'm really glad it's cited so well.

2013-01-09T08:28:39+00:00

Boys getting beaten to death in their sleep with baseball bats over false rape accusations, are a direct results of years of Gender-feminists Inflaming the public with rape hysteria, and manufactured inflammatory statistics.

subjectiveoco · 2013-02-27T07:00:26+00:00

Anybody who has actually read the Kanin report knows his study is vastly inadequate to make such a general statement about false rapes.

His study only looked at 109 cases of rape. His sample size was limited to white, poor, poorly educated, mid-western women all living in one town. The town is unidentified in the paper so it's impossible for other scholars to verify his work. Regardless if it's accurate or not, that kind of mistake would be unacceptable in any study in any field, ever.

He also mentions himself that his study cannot be used to generalize false rapes in other populations or demographics- read the conclusion. In the conclusion he says nearly half of the false rape reports were due to institutional/cultural barriers to contraception and abortion. Most of the women who reported false rapes did so out of desperation and to make it more likely for health professionals to give them abortions. Kanin concludes by saying if: "Rather, something biological, legal, and cultural would seem to make false rape allegations inevitable. If rape were a commonplace victimization experience of men, if men could experience the anxiety of possible pregnancy from illicit affairs, if men had a cultural base that would support their confidence in using rape accusations punitively, and if men could feel secure that victimization could elicit attention and sympathy, then men also would be making false rape accusations."

This is a scholar who is very sympathetic to the plight of women. Please read your sources before you make them into anthems for the MRM.

2013-01-08T13:53:56+00:00

Thank you for doing this. I was pretty annoyed when I saw the original posted on Reddit the other day.

oETFo · 2013-01-08T19:54:54+00:00

Okay, so I'm confused. Can someone explain (in plain English, I'm not too bright) What is right/wrong with this graphic?

ch4os1337 · 2013-01-08T12:22:46+00:00

I never do this, and it feels bad doing it but.

Upvoted for truth.

salient_punt · 2013-01-08T14:51:03+00:00

I always like the appeal to emotions when discussing feminisms. People who are susceptible to feminist propoganda generally are unable to process reason and logic, and therefore the emotional angle becomes the most effective tool.

robe_and_slippies · 2013-01-08T23:24:52+00:00

These look like the crazed scrawlings of a serial killer. You guys need to indoctrinate some graphic designers.

Kampane · 2013-01-09T00:37:51+00:00

One problem with this chart is that it makes people think the system doesn't punish rapists. That subtly encourages more rape, and it encourages vigilante violence against accused rapists. That's evil.

trollwnb · 2013-01-08T12:20:54+00:00

Feminist need to take the red pill, or continue to live in fantasy land....

2013-01-08T21:50:13+00:00

http://www.awolau.org/2010/04/05/myth-busters-false-rape-reports/

2013-01-08T21:56:20+00:00

http://www.amptoons.com/blog/2009/04/15/eugene-kanins-study-of-false-rape-reports/

C1yde · 2013-01-08T14:48:12+00:00

Went home with a ugly guy? Better report a rape...

chadratic · 2013-01-08T17:43:02+00:00

I keep looking for an al jazeera or mumbai times watermark on this...

JustOffendedYou · 2013-01-08T21:33:15+00:00

I'd like to see a similar graphic with little female symbols. Same size and everything, except the categories would change: 'Rapists' changed to 'Women getting what they want'. 'Reported' changed to 'Laughed in my face.' 'Faced trial' changed to 'Told me I liked it' and 'Jailed' (which is of course an empty category) changed to 'Jailed? For what?' The falsely accused category can be left with male symbols and as is. Because fuck men that's why.

canadijen · 2013-01-08T16:48:24+00:00

Two pictures of beaten boys. I bet we could find hundreds of pictures of raped women and men. This has nothing to do with rape, it could fall under bullying. Those boys were victims of bullying, not victims of rape, and this does nothing to help any cause.

RobotPolarbear · 2013-01-08T18:50:35+00:00

I'd have a lot more respect for the mens rights movement if rape denial was not part of the agenda.

bomdiggabom · 2013-01-08T14:54:42+00:00

Going to go ahead and say this because I have never been more infuriated by reading something on reddit before.

Most women you know don't report rape. The ones who do are incredibly strong.

Then you ask those of us who have remained quiet and its because we know no one will take us seriously if we say something.

I was raped by one of my best friend while passed out drunk. Found out later in the year (after not telling anyone) that he had done this to 9 other girls I was friends with. They did not want to come forward though.

Know why?

Because we as women are always accused of falsely accusing rape. So none of us took it to court. Because we know no one will believe us.because everyone believes that girls are lying. Because even if we do come forward we will be brandished as whores, regardless of whether or not the accused is convicted or not. Look at Anita hill. She came forward (was forced) and look how that went for her.

And as for the whole rape kit argument, have that argument after you've been raped anally and vaginally by the person who you were a week off from signing a lease with. It was the most confusing time in my life, and I spent the rest of the year trying my damnedest to get ese girls to speak up. No one wanted to "ruin his life"

I never get physically upset by most of the shit I see on reddit, but when boys start slinging the word rape around like its a way for girls to gain a "leg up" on someone it makes me sick.

Ask that girl who was passed out and gang raped in Ohio. Now ask the kids involved, one of which was released from jail and still holds a full scholarship to Ohio state. Ask how much she was "faking it" and tell her to stop lying.

Title	The truth about false rape accusation
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Comments	398
Date	January 8, 2013 9:41 AM UTC (13 years ago)
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