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[–]abedneg0 119 points120 points121 points 13 years ago (180 children) | Copy Link
My wife and I talked about this before marriage, and we agreed that the laws are unfair and severely skewed in women's advantage. She was the one who brought this up in the first place, and we ended up signing a marriage agreement. She gave up all claims for spousal support in exchange for a one-time fixed payment in case of divorce and an agreement to share all income acquired during marriage equally. We had to hire two lawyers (one each) and ended up paying about $2000 in legal fees. The whole ordeal took about two months. Totally worth it, in my opinion.
tl; dr: prenupt
[–]Dax420 14 points15 points16 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
The moment she gets pregnant the prenupt is invalid.
[–]lowspeed 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
that's what i think. Any lawyers here?
[–]s73v3r 19 points20 points21 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It sounds like the "support" the OP mentioned would be Alimony, not child support. I don't think any states allow you to sign away your child's right to support.
[–]hesperidisabitch 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You cannot have a contract for someone who does not exist ie a child. From a friends experience in az the whole thing became null and void because her lifestyle was no longer represented in the contact because of the addition of a third party, the kid.
[–]IOIOOIIOIO 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Varies by state, but you can work out everything amicably with your spouse and take it to be rubber stamped by the court and they'll return it telling you to come back with something "fairer" by whatever lights the court judges these things.
But, yeah, child support will be completely unaffected.
[–]askheidi 31 points32 points33 points 13 years ago* (109 children) | Copy Link
While I would never sign a pre-nup (that's as bad as these women, who are planning their divorces because their husbands are "stressed"), I'm disgusted by the link from the OP. I know this will be an unpopular opinion with some, but women who don't work are lazy. Even if you have a child at home, you can work. For this woman to say that she is being punished and "has" to work is totally appalling.
These are the kinds of bitches who give women a bad name but anyone who thinks this represents a majority of women has gone full retard.
[–]CristoDk 66 points67 points68 points 13 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Whoa whoa whoa, lets rephrase that.
Women who NEED to work, but don't are lazy.
Women who don't need to work, and don't aren't necessarily lazy.
My mum gave up her job to take care of me, and trust me, the amount of stuff she had to do everyday taking care of me AND keeping the household running smoothly was immense.
[–]whatwouldredditdo 12 points13 points14 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Your mum is still working. Being the primary homemaker when there are kids is a job, so long as she doesn't have a nanny, maid, etc doing all the work for her.
I believe he's referring to women who don't work and aren't raising kids. They need to get off their ass and go contribute.
[–]arthalme 76 points77 points78 points 13 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
women who don't work are lazy
I'm a man who works and I guarantee you I'm lazier than many women who don't.
[–]askheidi -2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Maybe lazy in different ways. But I know women who don't work and they are lazy. My own sister didn't have to work (and didn't) for several years because her husband could easily support her. But she went crazy not being productive.
[–]Cloberella 30 points31 points32 points 13 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
As someone who was raised by a nanny, shuffled between babysitters, and eventually a latch-key kid at the age of 9 in charge of her younger sibling... if a parent can afford to stay home with their children, they should. There's nothing wrong with being a working parent, but infancy to age 4 are some of the most important years in a child's life, and it never hurts to have a parental unit readily available to you when you're a small child either.
[–][deleted] 25 points26 points27 points 13 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
As long as you consider raising children and taking care of the house to be work, I agree except I'd change "women" to "people".
(and I mean real taking care of the house, not eating bon-bons on the couch watching soaps)
[–]DebbieDowner22 -3 points-2 points-1 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Who eats bon bons? What's a bon bon?
[–]asdfg2435 26 points27 points28 points 13 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Even if you have a child at home, you can work.
Have you actually tried to do this?
[–][deleted] 17 points18 points19 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yes. Having a child is a massive responsibility (or burden, depending on how you look at it.) If you have to work to support your child, then you damn well better. It's not easy, but if you are expecting anything CLOSE to easy when deciding to have children, you are unfortunately unprepared and naive.
[–]asdfg2435 16 points17 points18 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The implication I got from askheidi's comment was that women who stay home with the kid are lazy. I agree that if you have to work, you should. But if your husband (or wife) has a high enough income that you can stay home with the kid, rest assured you will not have time to be lazy.
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, I totally agree with you; the best way to show love for your child is to spend time with them, instead of handing them off to a nanny when it's not necessary (not trying to make working mothers feel guilty). You would be surprised at how many people with a "high enough income" hire nannies to practically raise their children.
[–]askheidi 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Yes.
[–]asdfg2435 -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You had an outside job that you did from home while watching a kid?
Do you mind if I ask what type of work it was? I would honestly like to try it, because I'd love to spend all day with my son if possible.
[–]askheidi 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes. Freelance journalism/interactive design. :) A friend of mine does graphic design from home, mostly on a contract basis. Another friend is a telemarketer and while it's a crappy job, it pays the bills and allows her to work her own schedule and watch her kids.
[–]PhyzixChik 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Or, if you have the skillz, teach evening classes at a community college. Or be crafty and sell your shit on Etsy. Or get certified to watch other people's kids and run a mini day care out of your home. I'm not saying that stay-at-home moms are lazy - they aren't! But the reality of this age is that most families can't afford living on 1 income. We have to be creative until the U.S. catches up to the rest of the world when it comes to having kids and balancing careers. In a perfect world, I'd want on-site daycare where I work with webcams that I could monitor from my PC.
[–]souellet -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Both my parents are small business owners, and they divorced when I was very young. My mother (who had majority custody) raised my older brother and myself while operating said business (50 hours/week average) WITHOUT ever employing daycare/babysitters/nannies. Here is a breakdown of her typical weekday:
4am - wake-up, take shower, make coffee 6am - watch news, put on makeup 7am - wake up boys, make breakfast, clean house before work 8am-6pm - work 6:30pm - make dinner, do dishes, watch nightly news 9pm - sleep
She did this routine for 15 years while my brother and I were completing high school and going off to college (which I am fortunate enough to say was paid for by our parents hard work). Watching my parents tireless work ethic inspired (& coerced) my brother and I to study hard in school. He is now a doctor (MD) and I am completing my PhD in engineering.
TL;DR my mom (& dad) rocks and working while having children at home is entirely feasible. All that it takes is hard work & lots of love.
[–]uep 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Why does a pre-nup make someone as bad as these women? I'm interested to understand this. The pre-nup that abedneg0 mentioned sounds pretty fair to me and was done to protect him from exactly the kind of behavior in the link.
[–]XFDRaven 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
People who hate pre-nups, operate with the rose-colored glasses idea that married people will always stay together because of love. In essence, they believe marriage will be like a Disney fairytale. Opting for a prenup, in these people's minds, means that you're walking into a situation expecting to get divorced, in which case they argue "Why bother getting married at all?" But that isn't the point.
The purpose of a pre-nup is that it operates on the realistic notion that people change and often change in ways that later make themselves incompatible with each other. It's less about imminent divorce, and more about the chance that they grow apart. In short, a Pre-nup is like car insurance; you never want to use it, if you do use it you'll still hurt from it, but it is there if you need it. Funny enough, I put more money on a pre-nup marriage lasting than one without (and I'm a person who thinks marriage has no value at all).
[–]letsgocrazy 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I find myself agreeing with you on this one. Surely by marriage age people should know themselves well enough to know that even with the with the best will in the world, people change and things change.
Just as when we were kids we said we'd never kiss a girl, nor get married nor have kids - it happens, you have to be pretty ignorant to deny it.
[–]huntwhales 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I put more money on a pre-nup marriage lasting than one without (and I'm a person who thinks marriage has no value at all).
Are there any studies on this? I couldn't find anything with a quick google search. I wouldn't be surprised if you were correct.
[–]XFDRaven 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There probably are, but I'm just speculating. Sorry I don't have anything concrete.
[–]askheidi 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It doesn't make someone bad. But I hold the unpopular opinion that signing a pre-nup is basically planning for a divorce (just like these women are planning for a divorce). To me, it's the same mindset. "Mine, mine" and to tell with trying to make things work.
I understand that the majority of people (on Reddit, of course) disagree and think a pre-nup is smart planning. We can agree to disagree, we just wouldn't get married. :)
[–]uep 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I thought this might be your reasoning, and I understand your point of view. It's a matter of opinion though, and I disagree.
Pre-nups are only significant when the two parties have significant difference in assets. The issue is that the person with more has a lot more to risk if the spouse has a change of heart (or was a deceptive gold digger.)
The thing is, if the spouse is willing to sign a pre-nup, it's a sign that the relationship is not about money. I don't believe the argument that "money isn't important, you're making our marriage like a business transaction." If money isn't important to the relationship, then it shouldn't be a big deal to sign a pre-nup. Furthermore, you work out a pre-nup while you love each other. I honestly would have no problem signing a pre-nup if I were to marry someone much more wealthy.
I'm starting to believe a bigger factor in someone's opinion about pre-nups is how much they have to lose, not whether they're male or female. Here's a question for you, do you think Britney Spears should have had a pre-nup?
[–]askheidi 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes. If you're talking about millions of dollars of difference and are in an industry where it is likely that you are being courted simply for your money, then that's a different matter.
HOWEVER, if people couldn't marry wealthy individuals, divorce them and then get alimony, this wouldn't be an issue. So get rid of alimony and then even Britney Spears wouldn't need a pre-nup.
[–]philman14 28 points29 points30 points 13 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
"women who don't work are lazy" I completely disagree with this blanket statement. Obviously in the case of the link, it can probably be construed as that because she sounds like a bitch. But a lot of times (especially with young kids) parents want at least one person to stay at home full-time with the kids to provide support or whatever, instead of letting their kids be raised by some sort of nanny or babysitter.
And before the sexist police come and hunt me down it doesn't HAVE to be the woman that stays home, that's just usually what happens.
[–]InfiniteTypewriters 25 points26 points27 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Hell... I go to work for a REST from my 3 year old.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Amen.
/twins
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Agreed. I have some serious respect for stay at home parents. I babysat a kid for a week and although I didn't have work, I took him to daycare after a few days... just because I was so bored. Maybe it would be different if he was my seed and I had some emotional attachment, but its not something that I would be excited about doing.
[–]askheidi 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I got into this argument during an alimony discussion on here (I strongly disagree with alimony in almost all cases) but you can still work even if you're staying at home. Or you can volunteer. You can do something to keep your job skills fresh so you don't have to rely on a husband (or wife) to support you. Because if you do rely on someone else to monetarily support you, that's lazy.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree! There was an article about this in cosmo or somewhere about how women are getting screwed over in some cases too. Women in their 40's-50's rely on their husband (different times than now), and when their husbands want a divorce, they don't have any means of supporting themselves from being out of the job market for so long. I think everyone should realize that marriage doesn't last forever. Be a stay at home parent, but do things during the day when the kids are older/ in school or online classes from a community college so that if the marriage doesn't work out, you have some options and aren't stranded. Otherwise you've been out of the job market for 30 years and will have a bitch of a time getting back in.
[–]Froboy7391 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The way I see it, If I were to divorce my hypothetical wife and she had no job I have no problem maybe paying for a month of Alimony until she can get some sort of job. But only a month.
This is a totally reasonable scenario. Maybe even six months (if it's a hard economy and she needs to update skills by getting a certificate or an internship or something). But years of alimony? Fuck that noise. That's why I strongly advocate that no matter what you do or who you're married to, you NEED to stay employable. Alimony is a crutch used by the lazy in MOST cases (emphasized because rabid Redditors don't seem to understand the difference).
[–]libertrollian 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Without a source, I don't think we can say that this submission represents any women. Submissions without sources are laaaaaame.
True, although the fake submission strikes a nerve because there ARE some women like this. I think they are the (very small) minority of women, but they certainly exist. But people who think that most or even lots of women are this way are pretty stupid.
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[–]letsgocrazy 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think this is a fair comment. However, I suspect the guy may have meant people who could work but willfully avoid it using underhanded means.
[–]CylonbutDeadly 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I agree with you on all the effort involved; working in an office can be a nice break. However, I work 8-10 hours a day and still have to do all this stuff. It's parenting. It doesn't go away even if someone else helps for a few hours.
[–]askheidi 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I disagree. But I have the grace not to tell you to go fuck yourself for a difference of opinion. I hope you raised your children to discuss things more intelligently than you did here -- otherwise that staying at home thing didn't seem to do much good.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
First off! I cannot possibly be okay with a situation wherein someone believes that since they got married, they don't need to work.
Secondly, having kids is a significant expense. So I really don't get the assumption that this man is just a money fountain. She should be doing her part in the "relationship" and working as well, assuming some of the stress of dealing with this financial burden.
I totally agree -- you get it. Upvote!
[+][deleted] 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
It's planning for a divorce, in my opinion. I know that's an unpopular opinion on Reddit, so we just wouldn't get married. But I wouldn't marry anyone who wanted a pre-nup and anyone who wanted a pre-nup wouldn't marry me. No problem. In my personal case, I make about $20,000 a year more than my boyfriend and my earning potential is also greater than his, so it's not like I'm against pre-nups because I want the money. I just don't think they're the beginning of a healthy relationship.
[+][deleted] 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm a journalist and he's a tutor.
[–]nicolauz 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Isn't that the point of equal rights ? Everybody works their share ?
[–]XFDRaven -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Not only that everyone works their share, but they're treated uniformly, and are held to the same rules and standards. Equal rights also means equal rewards for doing the same things. But Equal Rights & Treatment is Egalitarianism.
Feminism isn't about equal rights at all.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
women who don't work are lazy.
I am a linguist. I have a very large vocabulary. However, try as I might, I can't seem to find a more apt pairing of words with which to offer my rebuttal than FUCK YOU.
My wife doesn't have a job anymore, and works harder than I do. Furthermore, what's this business about "even if you have a child at home, you can work?" Yes, you can, and then you end up with a society that outsources the childrearing to overworked, underpaid teachers, and then complains when little Timmy is emotionally troubled and ill-educated.
Time and time again, the biggest predictor of academic and financial success is socioeconomic level. A big part of that is that, as people become more well-off, they can spend more time actually raising their kids. That is a full-time job, but for some idiotic reason we've allowed our corporate masters to convince us that it's in our best interests to have every adult member of a household enslaved by them, receiving a fraction of what one of them would have been earning 40 years ago.
Elizabeth Warren. Look her up.
I live in Japan. For the most part, they still raise their own kids here. It's a nice place to live because of it. But as the economic downturn has stretched into the double-digit years, we're starting to see the effects of sending a lot of the adults to work with a rising juvenile crime rate.
Parenting is not a part-time job. It's the single most important thing anyone can do. It creates society. It preserves civilization.
And I say that as a person who has no kids. I'm not one of those "ooo look at me! I'm a superstar because I shoved this thing out my twat" people (typically shitty parents, in my experience). I'm a member of society, and I want kids to have a parent (I don't care which one) at home.
You may be a linguist, you might try a little harder at reading comprehension so that you wouldn't write a totally irrelevant rant.
I said you can work even if you have children at home. That doesn't mean you have to leave the home. I've watched children and worked at the same time. It's wonders what kind of jobs you can do as a stay-at-home mom. Of course, you have no idea what kind of opportunities are available because you've never looked into it. If that's not intellectual laziness, I don't know what it.
Never go full retard.
[–]heather-in-ca 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
She does sound like she just wants to be lazy, but I take exception to you saying women who don't work are lazy. It's important for someone to be there for the children and not ship them off to daycare or nannies. It's not about not getting a 9 to 5, it's about being the best parent you can be and that usually entails being there for them when they're home instead of hiring someone to do it.
I never suggested all women should have a 9-5 job. I think they should stay employable by doing something that keeps up job skills such as continuing to work in some capacity. Yes, taking care of kids is a full-time job if you're doing it whole-heartedly. But with the amount of people who are able to keep up full-time jobs and go to school and raise a family, I think it's laziness if you're not willing to double-time it by taking care of the kids AND work in a way that keeps you employable. If this was the case, we could get rid of long-term alimony entirely, which is really my ultimate goal. Long-term alimony is bullshit (and what the women in this fake conversation are taking advantage of).
[–]heather-in-ca 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That's where we'll have to continue to disagree. I don't think anyone should have a full-time job and go to school and raise a family. You can do it all, sure, but you can't give your best to all three, and one or more of those three will suffer. To me, that's one of the problems with our society today - kids aren't made the priority in a lot of families. I know that is an unpopular opinion to have because it puts people on the defensive. How many people complain that they don't have time to cook their kids an actual meal because they're too busy? How many kids are battling with being overweight because of this? I could go on and on, but I won't because I know other people make different choices than me and have different priorities than me.
Alimony is obviously in need of a revamp, but to put it on the women to always be planning for divorce - I don't agree. I also don't think that women get divorced now a days and expect to be able to not work and stay home with their kids. How many divorced moms do you know that stay at home? And, if you're being honest, how many women at all do you know that stay home and don't work? It's not that common anymore at all. And are you suggesting that women should be continuing to keep up their education while they're married, pregnant, nursing, diapering, etc? That's the only way they're going to realistically stay employable.
What are the statistics on long term alimony anyway? In my experience (limited, I admit) is that people get remarried. Doesn't alimony stop when the woman remarries?
I really apologize for how long this is, I am just writing what comes to mind, not so much to argue with you, more to just say it. It's not personal to you. You just happen to be the person who said the thing that got me going.
And are you suggesting that women should be continuing to keep up their education while they're married, pregnant, nursing, diapering, etc?
Yes. I really do. You owe it to yourself and your children to stay employable. What if the financially supporting partner commits suicide? Most life insurances won't payout and you'll be SOL with kids AND a funeral to pay for. Shit happens and it's best to be prepared. Plus, once the kids leave and you're going crazy at home with nothing to do, how many industries can you just jump into after having nothing to do with the transitions of the last 18 years?
[–]HazDomain 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think that if the couple can afford to stay home she should. My dad's a doctor and my mom quit her job when I was two and cared for me and my sister full-time. Now I'm 20, and I still love my parents and visit them 2-3 times a week. I am the only person I know who almost NEVER spent time in day car/latchkey/whatever and also the only person I know who isn't constantly pissed at their parents. I think there might be a link.
My mother stayed home with us when we were little, too (although she went to night school to earn her degree and worked from home making a killing on eBay back in the day). I don't speak to my father and my sister doesn't speak to my mother.
Anecdotes are not evidence for anything.
[–]seemefearme 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
While I would never sign a pre-nup
Why?
(that's as bad as these women, who are planning their divorces because their husbands are "stressed")
How?
[–]askheidi 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]seemefearme 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree actually. It would be pretty hard for me to ask for a pre-nup from someone I loved and was about to marry. If you have any doubt, you shouldn't get getting married to them.
But then if you didn't have that doubt and then they rip your heart out (people change) then you're also in a jam. I think if either spouse sacrifices their career to take care of a kid, then that individual would be entitled to alimony and child support. If they didn't stop their career, and they both worked, then child support only equal to half the expenses.
It seems fair to me. But I'm no expert at this whatsoever.
[–]sikGuy -3 points-2 points-1 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I agree 100%! Women fought so hard for "equal right's" to work and earn their "own" money, yet they (not all) expect a payoff or the marriage retirement plan as I like to call it. I think it's disgusting and a lazy entitled fucking attitude that should be stopped!! I think it is crazy to have to pay alimony to anyone. Once our "business" is done and dissolved you are no longer an "employee" and will not receive any benefits/pay it is plain and simple. If you cannot afford to maintain the lifestyle you had when married tough shit get a job. My mom was a single mother (alcoholic father) raising two boy's in Los Angeles with no college degree. She never asked or received alimony(and sure as shit EQUALLY did not pay my father). She did ask for as much overtime as possible, worked every weekend AND went back to school for her degree to help provide a good upbringing of her sons. We were dropped of at daycare and became latchkey kids at a really young age. I truly believe having to man up at a young age in the situation and seeing how hard working my mom is has had nothing but a tremendous positive outcome on my brother and myself. In fact I would be embarrassed if someone asked what my mom did for a living and I had to answer she is divorced and my dad pays her for that.
[–]HazDomain 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well that's your mom. MY mom was a college-educated woman making an absolutely stupid amount of money when she married my dad. (She made so much that she actually supported HIM while they dated, and all his income went toward paying off his college loans.) Once they had a house and were debt-free they had my sister and I and she quit an EXTREMELY good job in order to raise us. She did this with the expectation of having my father's (also considerable) income to live off, and it really didn't put much of a burden on him because he's a doctor and even with mom quitting and two kids to support he STILL only worked 4 days a week. Had she KNOWN they would get a divorce, she might not have quit her job and been a stay-at-home-mom for 12 years. As it is, dad divorced her and suddenly she can't get a job because she hasn't worked in 10 years so she needs to go to school again to catch up on everything that has changed. Alimony gave her the time she needed to get back on her feet, and she was only OFF her feet because my dad went back on his promise. There's no reason she should get a job waitressing for 8$ an hour when she has the kind of massive potential she does.
I love you for explaining this better than I could (and having a better real-life experience to back it up). Long-term alimony is a bullshit crutch in MOST situation and alimony (if it exists) should be limited to six months.
[–]manixrock 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So.. why do people get married again? Maybe for lower taxes, but why is marriage encouraged in the first place?
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (42 children) | Copy Link
You seem to have a reasonable wife. Good for you.
However, 2 things to keep in mind:
People change
Pre-nups can and will not hold up in court
[–]DiscreteOpinion 17 points18 points19 points 13 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Barring infidelity, how does a legal contract not hold up in court?
[–]IOIOOIIOIO 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Divorce courts have been known to decide on the basis of "fairness" to set aside the amicable agreement between the people seeking to finalize a divorce and substitute their own judgment.
Interestingly, the only cases I know of personally all happened in states where the local government collected the support payments and then disbursed them to the awarded parties. No conflict of interest there, nosiree.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
If the wife has an affair with another woman, is that infidelity? What if she happens to run off lickety-split and you are eaten out of house and home, so to speak?
[–]happinesslost 7 points8 points9 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Hehe..."lickety-split"...
[–]DiscreteOpinion 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yes a women having an affair with another woman is as adulterous as a man having an affair with another man.
The only reason why this is at all a question is because the 3sum fantasy is rampant, that doesn't change the fact that if someone is dishonest, their dishonest, no matter the shape of the ugly bits they're bumping against.
[–]abedneg0 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link
Hence the agreement.
So what do you suggest? Having one seems to be better than not having one, and we both feel that being married is preferable to not being married.
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[–]BuzzBadpants 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I think because a marriage agreement actually means something socially fundamental apart from the legal and religious status; something along the lines of "we not only love each other a great deal, but we each think the other one is SO RAD that we wish to be figuratively bound as a single entity emotionally and outwardly for the indefinite future because we happen to believe that the whole of our union is greater than the sum of its parts"
I mean, just ask gay people already in unions why they want gay marriage legalized.
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[–]zellyman 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
You realize you generally are better off gov't wise when married?
[–]XFDRaven 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What's the period of time apart to reset that counter?
[–]7ate9 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
for LOVE, you dolt!
[–]ryanelston 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree. Think of it this way, let's say marriage was never invented. People got along just fine without it all these years. They had families, they lived together, shared expenses, raised children, all with no marriage. In this world, would people invent marriage? Why? For what, insurance coverage?
[–]pinsir935 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Huh? Can you please explain? Sorry for being naive here, but I thought that that was the point of a prenup - legal protection
[–]DebbieDowner22 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Pre-nups can of course be challenged, but they definitely hold up.
[–]Sharn21 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Prenups often hold up just fine depending on the State you're in. For the most part unless they're signed under duress or there's some fraud involved, it's a binding contract.
Also, at least in FL, infidelity has nothing to do with how much you receive in alimony or Child Support with the following exceptions.
You used marital funds to fund your affair and have to basically pay those back to the marital estate for later re-distribution.
Your seedy affair makes you an unfit parent, therefore giving the other parent custody, and causing you to incur child support.
[–]easypeasy6 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes I came here to say the same thing. Prenupt.
[–]nybcl 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
FTFY; prenup
[–]LtArson 66 points67 points68 points 13 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Okay, I have something to say to everyone here:
Women: You're lying when you say that there aren't women like this, or that it's usually the men's fault when something goes wrong in a relationship.
Men: You're lying when you say most women are like this, or that this is common behavior among women.
The fact is, there are asshole men and asshole women.
[–]ryanelston 10 points11 points12 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
The thing is, though a small percentage of women are horrible enough to consciously and proactively plan there divorce for maximum benefits, the example does highlight a much larger and more serious problem. Because there are even greater number of women who don't consciously think that way but may still act just as unfairly when the divorce shit hits the fan. An even larger number of women who wouldn't never act that unfairly UNTILL they sit down with the divorce lawyer who then convinces them of there "entitlements". Very different shades of women, same outcome.
Your right to say that this isn't common behavior in women, but we'd be lying to ourselves to think this situation isn't common anyway.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
proactively plan there divorce
Incorrect use of "there".
Because there are even greater number of women
Correct use of "there".
there/their has always been an issue for me. sigh
[–]mj564a5e46hfdd58 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
thanks.
[–]yuyukachoo 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you.
[–]XFDRaven 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I almost agree here, except that most people are assholes.
So most women are like that, and most men are like that.
[–]XFDRaven 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
...Correct?
[–]XFDRaven -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"I agree here"
I'm going to agree with this whole statement.
"except that most people are Assholes."
Exception.
Would it be easier to read if, instead, I just said, "Most people are assholes."? What would be the context then?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The problem is that discriminatory laws always award woman at the expense of man. The man in the original post is helpless. He is left at the whim of his wife or ex. That's the whole fucking point.
[–]InfinitelyThirsting 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
But not all places have discriminatory laws (see New Hampshire). It really depends on where they are. If you're that worried, don't live somewhere with discriminatory laws, or become politically active and change them.
[–]mismetti 16 points17 points18 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yep, I'm disgusted by jpeg artifacts on a text-only screen cap.
Actually I thought the text on this one looked pretty good for a JPG.
[–]asdfg2435 235 points236 points237 points 13 years ago (52 children) | Copy Link
So apparently, the only internet forums on which this conversation shows up are the ones in which people rage about what bitches these women are. The original conversation does not seem to exist.
♫ they see me trollin ♪ ... they hatin ♫
[–][deleted] 109 points110 points111 points 13 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
No, no, it CLEARLY states at the top that this discussion was copied from Internet discussion forum
They have a citation. It is clearly not made up or edited for content to suit the audience and run in the time allotted.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I can tell it's real from the pixels.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
http://www.nomarriage.com/discussion.html
[–]quartzyegghead -4 points-3 points-2 points 13 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Regardless, there are women out there that scheme like this.
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Probably. There are also men out there who anally rape children. Your point?
[–]Nikola_S 8 points9 points10 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
There are no laws that make it easy for men to anally rape children.
[–]bobnine 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Tell that to the vatican.
[–]quartzyegghead 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
...That even though it's fake doesn't mean the ideas presented should be dismissed and that men should take certain precautions when getting married?
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Proof? Seems like a lot of people need very little evidence before they are disgusted by women.
[–]quartzyegghead 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You can't possibly think that out of all the women in the world, none of them have thought about how to best drain their husbands out of money when going through a divorce?
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That's not a correct argument. We can sit here all day speculating on the evil shit men, women, cats and keanu, all alike, can think of and probably do. In the end you're just bitter motherfuckers who need to think about other things in life, maybe get a hobby.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was arguing, or even that arguments could be right or wrong. But I honestly don't know how I came across as bitter, or that I only think about one thing. Before you throw around insults, calm down and think about whether or not there is any reason for you to say what you've said. I'm not saying all women are conniving, scheming, despicable beings. I'm just saying that even though the conversation in the post is fake, the situation presented is very plausible and probably has happened in some way or another. And so, pointing out the fact that the conversation is fake doesn't do much good, because the post is "Who else is disgusted by this," and pointing out the fact that the example is fake doesn't dismiss the fact that somewhere out there, there are women to be disgusted by.
[–]enkidusfriend 10 points11 points12 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree. Hitchin' my trolley to the fake train!
I hope it's made up.
[–]SpankmasterS 8 points9 points10 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I know a few good fellows who have been through worse. A few good ladies as well.
Divorce can bring out the worst in you if you let it. It's not gender specific.
[–]tuoder 20 points21 points22 points 13 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
It could be a private forum or one that no longer exists.
[–]s73v3r 35 points36 points37 points 13 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
Occam's Razor, my friend.
[–]tuoder 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Which seems a simpler explanation to you? It seems simpler to me that this was a private forum, rather than a fabrication. I don't know. Suffice it to say the veracity of this is suspect.
[–]LinuxFreeOrDie 31 points32 points33 points 13 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Ok I'll take the bait.
Option 1:
Options 2:
I think option two is definitely not only more complex, but less likely.
[–]SpankmasterS 11 points12 points13 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Unfortunately this is very similar to a conversation my ex had with a gf over email. Her friend suggested that my ex might be able to go after my families money (who are wealthy but I got tossed from the fold nearly 2 decades ago). Her friend suggested that my ex should make the play that should something happen to my parents, half of what I inherited would go to my children and the ex would be the trustee.
This was after my ex cheated on me for six months. She also played dirty in order to make the play for full custody(which she does not really want in order to blackmail me for assets). I gave her everything in order for partial custody. Even 17 years of spousal support, house etc.
She also took my fucking dog. And she does not even like him.
[–]Casz 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Humans are selfish...some beyond comprehension.
[–]djtomr941 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Maybe you should have spanked her harder.
[–]SpankmasterS 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I've actually tore that ass up.
At least I have that.
[–]anatinus 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ever been divorced?
I'm sure it's said elsewhere on this page already, but this sounds pretty much verbatim like what I have heard and read elsewhere, personal life included.
[–]manixrock 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If it's a private forum, it needn't have been deleted, it could very well be where it was first posted, just not accessible to anyone outside, including search spiders.
[–]tuoder -3 points-2 points-1 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I see option 2 as going more like this:
MRA trolls private radical-feminist forum regularly (known to happen all the time) and goads them into saying something absurd, or captures an absurd conversation.
They strike me as equally likely. I don't know. Trolls have ruined the internet, in large part. I can't say I know what's real and what's not (via Poe's Law).
[–]LinuxFreeOrDie 8 points9 points10 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Right, I'm not saying option two is impossible, but to boiling things down to the barest form we have:
or
This whole things just seems too perfect and outrageous to be real though. Then again, a lot of things that fit that description have turned out to be real.
[–]jollyllama 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well we all know that women are crazy psycho-bitches who only care about fucking over men and stealing their money so they can spend it on clothes, so of course it's real.
r/mensrights is one of my least favorite places on the entire internet, it makes me embarrassed to be a redditor how often it hits the front page.
[–]LinuxFreeOrDie 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't forget that you can never have a one night stand because it's almost certain she will accuse you of rape and ruin your life the next day, just because she is evil.
[–]tuoder 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah I don't know. It seems to me quite likely that such opinions would be expressed in a private forum. It being deleted is less likely, certainly, but still possible. I see it this way:
1: Elaborate idea for hoax is generated, complete with vernacular, mocked up, screeenshotted, and posted
2: Ridiculous post found on private forum (through trolling or normal use), screenshotted and posted.
I don't know, like I said.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What about this seems so outrageous and unreal to you? I know women who are perfectly capable of things like this.
[–]nicotinedreams -3 points-2 points-1 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I see people are downvoting this guy for providing an alternative viewpoint. Yes, it's very likely that the conversation is fake, but tuoder's post doesn't detract from the conversation at all. So.. have an upboat, my friend.
[–]youarerunbyyourcolon 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It always makes my day when someone gives me an upboat, or even better, the illusive upgoat!
I count 12 points, was that in the negative? I thought it was a rather uncontroversial thing to say.
The statement is unsourced. We do not know if it really happened or not. I don't know.
[–]SinisterSinister 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If it is real then they are heartless fucking bitches. I don't like to say that about a woman but they really are...
[–]fleshlight69 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why is the Men's Rights forum called Men's Rights? It should be called Women Haters.
Fake or not, there are people who think like this.
[–]asdfg2435 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
God damn, there's a lot of morons on this page who think this is a reasonable comment to make. None of you will ever produce documented evidence of such a conversation, yet you are all convinced that they happen all the time.
Get over your butthurt that the prom queen turned you down for a date in 12th grade and you'll have a far happier life. I promise.
[–]ristin -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Well, on the other hand there is more proof that is a genuine conversation than there is proof that god exists.
[–]cryptogirl 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm agnostic but skeptical.
[–]ristin 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A nice way to describe it, I like that.
[–][deleted] 124 points125 points126 points 13 years ago (43 children) | Copy Link
Am I the only one who thinks this is made up bullshit? This is something "copied from internet discussion forum?" Really? This is about as real as all those facebook jpgs people keep posting.
[–]TheTesh 49 points50 points51 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
No seriously, this happened to my friend's uncle's accountant.... just kidding this is women hater's fan fiction.
[–]Teroc 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Fan fiction that still happens everyday.
[–]TheTesh 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If that's the case, this made up story claiming to be true undermines the real stories.
[–]SnakeJG 40 points41 points42 points 13 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
I came here to post how disgusted I am that this gets upvoted on /r/MensRights/. It is clear trolling and total BS, reddit should be better than this.
[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 13 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
how disgusted I am that this gets upvoted on /r/MensRights/
But not particularly surprised, I hope.
What is terribly disturbing is that this misogynistic bullshit is just about in the top ten on the frontpage of Reddit. Now that's disgusting.
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 13 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
How is it misogynistic? I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just genuinely curious.
Wouldn't misogynistic mean it's trying to put down women? If anything it's a potentially fictional misandrist conversation.
Is posting a fictional misandrist conversation on the internet misogynistic? In that it may create contempt for women, perhaps. But really it would only be idiots who have that reaction.
At its best it generates a conversation between a couple so that they both know where the stance is on the subject (for that I'd upvote it). It's probably most effective though at letting men know that there are women who view them as "money fountains" (and for that I'd also upvote it).
So yeah, the idiots may read this and say, "God, women are baaad"... but they're idiots, and I don't cater to them.
[–]jollyllama 13 points14 points15 points 13 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
It's misogynistic because it was clearly written by a man in order to make women look like psycho-bitches who only care about money.
Here, tell me if this is racist:
Two black guys are sitting around talking about how much they love raping white women. <insert conversation here>
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
The race card pollutes the comparison, so if I may change your post: Is this misandrist: "Two guys are sitting around talking about how much they love raping women. <insert conversation here>"
I feel this is a better comparison because like this example, any such conversation would likely be fictional. But there is a decent potential that it does happen, and just as men should be informed that there are women who only want them for their money, women should be informed there are men who just -love- raping women.
And in both cases, intelligent people can use this information to benefit themselves. The only difference is that the "rape" information is much more widely spread (mostly because it's a much more heinous act).
[–]nikanon 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
discussing race is "the race card"?
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
What would you call it? Racist comparisons in a misogyny vs. misandry conversation... I think that would be a strawman argument?
I doubt anyone is reading the tree out this far, but if you are, am I wrong?
[–]jollyllama 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Bigotry is bigotry, having different names for it doesn't change that. IMO, there's no difference between saying "women are gold-diggers" and "blacks are lazy" or whatever stereotype you want to throw up.
If its fake, so what? This is a common situation. Look at any divorce statistics. Its still relevant and worth talking about.
[–]fishwish 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So what if it gets upvoted. What I was disappointed about was the lack of skepticism.
[–]faradaycage 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It seems about as real as many of the misinformed emails my redneck ex-coworkers used to send me.
[–]s73v3r 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If this really did happen, why not just link to the forum itself? Or if that's not possible, at least show a screenshot of the forum/chat log.
[–]DankJemo 7 points8 points9 points 13 years ago* (16 children) | Copy Link
Even if this is made up, the situations aren't. I've met woman like this, women that think they don't have to work, and simply because their marriage hits a rough patch can back out and take half the man's money. There are gold diggers who marry for money, and money only with the plan that they will get their hands on it. Either through death, or divorce.
So, could the image itself be a product of fiction? Yeah... But, I can pretty much guarantee that at least one woman in the United States has had these exact thoughts (give or take.) In this case, if it were a book or movie it would need the words "based on a true story," somewhere.
[–]Mr_Subtlety 15 points16 points17 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
actually it would need the words, "based on a true story somewhere, we assume"
[–]asdfg2435 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
I see you are of the Jayson Blair school of truthfulness.
[–]bpopp 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you replaced "Woman 2" with "Divorce Lawyer 1", it would be a lot more believable.
[–]alphabetpal -2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, it's OBVIOUSLY fake because... because... because... umm...
[–]hans1193 16 points17 points18 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
This links to nomarriage.com, which is an amalgamation of fake articles designed to direct you to another dating site for meeting foreign girls. Nomarriage.com makes itself look like a commenting board, but I can't find anywhere to register and post comments. It is actually just very slick SEO driven marketing for Single abroad dot com.
[–]helleborus 38 points39 points40 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
By the hateful comments in this thread inspired by a made-up conversation? I am!
[–][deleted] 24 points25 points26 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This. I can't believe everyone ate this shit up. It's a fake conversation (from an unnamed "internet discussion forum") from no-marriage.com.
[–]s73v3r 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
To be fair, this conversation is almost perfectly engineered to inspire rage. I read it and got pissed off, before I looked for the citation and found none.
[–]libertrollian 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sources aren't important--if it feels true, it must be true.
[–]Cockscockscocks 23 points24 points25 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm disgusted you ijits think this is genuine.
No critical thought here. No sir-ee.
[–]ch00f 19 points20 points21 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Strawmen are such fucking assholes. They make me so angry.
[–]cryptogirl 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thankfully, they're quite flammable.
[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is the discussion copied from Internet discussion forum
LMAO
[–]melb22 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Most likely fake. I don't doubt there are golddigging women out there, but the discussion runs along just a little too neatly and there's no link to the forum from which it was supposedly copied.
[–]yuyukachoo 14 points15 points16 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I forgot that if it's on the internet it must be true, and there is no way that this is some pre-fabricated conversation meant to make women in general look bad.
Manipulative douche bags exist across genders and between them, it's the person who is bad, not the group they belong to.
[–]selfish_meme 8 points9 points10 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh yeah this comes from a reputable website
You will understand how and why American women (American woman = modern western woman from any country) always change for the worse after marriage. - It will help you determine if your girlfriend will make a good wife. - If you are already married, the e-book will help you decide if you should stay with your wife (the book purchase will appear on your CC statement as IIS). - Much more to help you decide if you want to get married and have children in the near future.
[–]ghostchamber 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As much as my ex-wife kind of screwed me over, she would have never done something like this. In fact, when it came to dividing assets and such, she was very fair about it.
[–]gtigrrl 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I am a married mother of 2. I had one year off work when my husbands freelance work was booming. When hard times hit, back to work I went, although I wanted nothing more to stay home and raise my children to be productive members of society. Meanwhile, my husband stops working, doesnt't mind the house, minimally minds the kids, then takes up with a girlfriend when the kids get to school. I feel obligated to stay with him until the kids turn 18 both for them AND for his broke lazy ass.
[–]AsianBorat 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It's from a storytelling board
[–]cfisi79 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"Jade", "Amber", and "Crystal"? What? No "Ruby", "Garnet", or "Cubic Zirconia"? I still call bullshit. =/
[–]RoflStomper 13 points14 points15 points 13 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Sometimes things I read on Reddit make me want to curl up in a corner crying, shaking, and clutching a pre-nuptial agreement like a teddy bear.
[–]hpm7022 7 points8 points9 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Sometimes even a pre-nup will not help.
[–]XFDRaven 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A pre-nup will not help.
Fixed that for you. The only pre-nup that works is not getting married. The best contraceptive is complete honesty.
[+][deleted] 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
[–]gprime 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Or she's smart, since pre-nups are routinely invalidated. And since there is no bitch test or means to predict divorce. So your advice fails.
[–]madmarigold1 points 13 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
Well, if you can't figure out if your partner's a bitch, you might be too skeptical of her (...or him, actually), honestly.
[–]gprime 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
People change over time, no? Just like you tend to be more cautious with age, surely you can become more bitter and vindictive with time. Or hell, you two can simply grow apart where neither person is at fault, but neither wish to remain married. Should that happen, you're not suddenly less on the hook when settlement time comes around.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't use logic, it's the MAN's fault!! It always is!! Why didn't he predict the next several decades of life and relationships? What a JERK!
[–]Joeboy 14 points15 points16 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not disgusted as much as horrified by the credulousness of people here. This is not a real discussion between real people. Obviously.
[–]ARandomFact 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Reindeer like to eat bananas.
[–]gaelyn 8 points9 points10 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
yeah, so. I call bullshit on the whole 'copied from an internet forum'. All 3 individuals speak (type) in the exact same manner with the same phrasing and style of writing.
That being said, I'm sure there are women out there with that attitude. Flip side, there are men out there saying the same thing about cashing out while they still can because they didn't sign up for (fill in the blank).
It happens, it sucks. Best advice? Be very, very sure of who you are marrying, and cover your own ass.
[–]DecafDesperado 7 points8 points9 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
COPIED FROM INTERNET DISCUSSION FORUM. Seems legit to me.
Proof of legitimacy
[–]kn0where 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Too wide. Can't read.
[–]mr_happy28 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well
basically
there
was
this
chick
who
is a
complete
bitch
and
wants
to
screw
her
husband
over
out
of
his
money
life.
[–]ironstove 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
As a guy, I don't really have anything against the women. They are the way they are, and it was the dude's fault for marrying materialistic bitches and promising them happiness but not being able to deliver. Overall, the woman is a bitch true, but the guy was the one that made the mistake.
Marriage + kids = fail.
Heck, even marriage = fail.
[–]SteelDragon87 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Your statement = Truth
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Oh man, this is fucking sad
Celebrate, Men's Rights Reddit - I think I might be done posting here, the responses to this thread by the "regulars" makes it clear that you guys would believe in fairies if it somehow fueled your hatred for women.
[–]Capo_7 19 points20 points21 points 13 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link
I was already pretty disgusted by the whole situation, but then when she starts talking about "Cashing Out" I lost it. It is appalling that this is the way that some people are.
[+][deleted] -32 points-31 points-30 points 13 years ago (31 children) | Copy Link
It is appalling that this is the way that majority of the modern women are.
FTFY
[–]asdfg2435 40 points41 points42 points 13 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link
I just pull stuff out of my ass to justify my bitterness towards women.
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 13 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link
Overwhelming majority of divorces are initiated by women (>80%), in >90% of cases they are the ones getting children, CS and alimony, in basically all Western countries (and especially so in Anglosphere). Do your research.
[–]pulleysandweights 9 points10 points11 points 13 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
numbers don't make you more believable than before. If you're trying to make an educated point, cite.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Just google it it for your favorite country.
[–]pulleysandweights 7 points8 points9 points 13 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Which will likely come up with mostly citationless declarations like yours.
I personally don't really care what the numbers are, I'm just pointing out that pulling up random numbers without any kind of backing isn't a valid way to improve your arguing position.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
This is the Internet dude. If you want peer-reviewed papers in established journals, just fucking google it. I assure you that there are plenty.
[–]pulleysandweights 7 points8 points9 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
again, not debating your point. Just letting you know that it's not having the effect you think. It just looks like bullshit.
[–]s73v3r 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You presented the stats. The onus is on YOU to provide the citation.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Oh hey. Lets quote some FoD!
It's in women's psyche to exploit, do lesser (or nothing), and trade it's weaknesses for appealing the man with her beauty
OOh yea, feeling a might bit trollish
Again - another "proof" from low-IQ tribes of black Africa
And a racist too! Excellent.
[–]Valhara 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
You keep quoting that statistic but it doesn't really help the case that you're not just being bitter towards women. You seem to be making the assumption that 100% of women who get a divorce do it for the same reason as the one in this situation. I can understand that sentiment if you spend all your time on this reddit, but it's not true. There are lots of women who get divorced for perfectly legitimate reasons, such as their husband cheating or abuse. (And yes I realize that goes both ways, but men being reluctant to admit abuse and get a divorce is an entirely different argument.) Until you can prove how much of that >80% did it for money the statistic is useless.
[–]stemgang -2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Of course he sounds bitter. Many men are bitter about the way women have treated them.
How does your accusation of "bitterness" magically invalidate his arguments?
[–]DOGA 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Being bitter is great and all, but it's often misdirected to the entire gender of the person who wronged them, rather than just the person themselves. That needs to stop.
[–]amb88 -3 points-2 points-1 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I find you offensive. Let's get married so that I can divorce you.
I find your comment cunning and sly. Let's get married, so that you can divorce ME.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Get this trolling crap off my front page and bring me some cats with Keanu.
[–]lowspeed 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=%22my+second+husband+and+i+were+pregnant+and+happy%22
[–]Sarstan 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Downvoted until I see some citation.
[–]kachapati 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
While I agree that most women are not like me (I declined spousal support/alimony) this post is an obvious troll. She starts out with stating that she and her husband are happy. Chats with 2 strangers for a couple of lines and is convinced to divorce. Right.
[–]BitterDivorcedDad 7 points8 points9 points 13 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
I would hear my ex-wife talking to her friends about how they were going to divorce their husbands as soon as the (last) kid turned 18.
[–]jeff0 26 points27 points28 points 13 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
And? Assuming there are good reasons for wanting a divorce, waiting until there are no kids in the house seems like a reasonable thing to do.
[–]Merwerdichliebe 8 points9 points10 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Good for the fathers too, I'd bet. Their ex-wives would have less of a claim to their income.
[–]DankJemo 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, and once he is out of the marriage maybe he can finally get some sex.
[–]BitterDivorcedDad 7 points8 points9 points 13 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
It would be one thing if they both were in on it. To decide that by yourself and treat your husband as if he were something other than a walking wallet is something else entirely.
[–]RiOrius 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That's one possible interpretation of the story you've told, although judging by some of the other comments in this thread, if they divorced earlier they'd get plenty of money anyway.
Another possible explanation is that they're staying in the marriage to provide the kids involved with a full set of parents. Sticking through a marriage they no longer want because it's best for the kids. How dare they.
[–]justpickaname 8 points9 points10 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Isn't it a bit less "walking wallet" ish once they're 18? No child support? I'm not sure, and that's why I'm asking. But that's what it would seem like.
[–]BitterDivorcedDad 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's deceitful.
[–]AltTab 7 points8 points9 points 13 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
It's a little bit shitty, but at least he would be free of child-support at that point, right?
Then he just has the battle of keeping some finances after the undoubtedly brutal divorce proceedings.
[–]DankJemo 11 points12 points13 points 13 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Not necessarily, New York State has you paying until the child is 21, at least, and if the mother really wants to push it, and the kid is in college, working towards a masters or PhD then you can be looking at paying support until the child is 25... Which is bullshit, I am 25 now, live on my own, pay my own bills, the only support I get from my parents at this point is understanding, and some money that I need to pay back.
I also have a child and have gone through the family court system. It is incredible at how one-sided it is. It's all about the woman, and damn the man. My dad said to me "Don't freak out too much they can't take what you don't have and you don't have a lot because you're a college student." Well, that's bullshit, they certainly will take what you don't have. Even if this means you can't afford to eat.
[–]AltTab 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yikes. I know it's a mess, but I'm constantly brought new information about just what an unforgivable clusterfuck it really is.
[–]BitterDivorcedDad 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
a little bit shitty
So for 20 years you think that your wife loves you only to find out at birth+18 she hates your guts? A "little bit" shitty?
[–]AltTab 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'll rephrase: extremely shitty.
But I was looking at it as minimizing damage in a completely fucked up situation. Believe me, I agree it's entirely fucked.
[–]BitterDivorcedDad 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Kids are a lot more perceptive than we know.
Those relationships are toxic and it shows in how the children behave.
[–]DankJemo 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I think that may fall into the category of suicidal information, as in once that 20 year bubble bursts and you find out for the last 20 years that your life as, essentially been a lie you may try to kill yourself.
[–]InfinitelyThirsting 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Very few people put up a charade for twenty years, though. Most people who plan to divorce their spouse when the kids are out of the house did love them, but don't anymore.
Also, very few people are good enough liars to make someone believe they're in love with them for twenty years based on nothing. Just saying. If you're deluding yourself into thinking your struggling marriage is all hearts and flowers, that's your fault.
[–]DankJemo 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh yeah, I think it is more a case of delusion then being a good liar, or committing to the idea that you're going to divorce someone. A lot of people in this position just claim ignorance.
[–]gregmartin 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Why did she get married in the first place?
Didn't want to work, eat Bon-Bons and Twinkies, run her fat mouth non-stop and make this mother fucker regret ever meeting her - pretty much the reason they all want to get married. Women want to stop having sex when you get married too, unless of course it's with one of your buddies.
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Also they wear bathrobes and curlers in their hair and carry rolling pins.
[–]divinesweetdivide 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I'm more disgusted by the fact this is so disgustingly sexist.
It's not just WOMEN who exploit people. Men are just as bad- perhaps in different ways, but definitely just as bad. Unfortunately some people just don't have concrete morals. I wish every (male) on Reddit would stop either demonizing women for being "heartless fucking bitches" or praising them for being a "hot piece of ass". There seems to be no in-between. I really love Reddit but this shit has got to me so much I almost want to leave.
It's not just WOMEN who exploit people.
No, but it's the law that rewards only and specifically women's exploitation. The man is absolutely helpless. She owns all his current and future assets, till death do them apart.
please don't post stuff like this in the future, it discredits the community. i hope this was in good faith
[–]TZ-13 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Whatever happened to love?
[–]I_divided_by_0- 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Christian (spoken): Love is a many-splendored thing. Love lifts us up where we belong! All you need is love. Satine (spoken): Please don't start that again. Christian: All you need is love. Satine (spoken): A girl has got to eat – Christian: All you need is love. Satine (spoken): She'll end up on the street! Christian: All you need is love. Satine (spoken): Love is just a game.
[–]keepinithamsta 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There's tons of love there, just not for their husbands. Love for money.
[–]tyrannosmurfrex 12 points13 points14 points 13 years ago (69 children) | Copy Link
I AM.
Glad I'm a paranoid dick who never married for this reason.
[–]tehflash 29 points30 points31 points 13 years ago (55 children) | Copy Link
That's a little sad though isn't it? Some women are like this, but certainly not all of them. I'm married and I know my wife would be just as disgusted by this as I am.
I'm just saying, being glad you're a paranoid dick who never married probably isn't the best response.
[–]kloo2yoo 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
honestly, it's incredibly sad that it's so hard to be, and find, people worthy of trust.
[–]DOGA 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So true :(
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (40 children) | Copy Link
Some women are like this, but certainly not all of them.
More than 50% marriages ends in a divorce, in >80% of cases it's initiated by women. You need a much stronger qualifier than "some".
[–]askheidi 15 points16 points17 points 13 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
No. Less than 50 percent of marriages end in divorce. That overused statistic was actually a projection by The Americans for Divorce Reform (who actually have an agenda that encourages them to exaggerate the divorce rate) that "40 or maybe up to 50 percent of marriages COULD end in divorce IF current trends continue." Additionally, second and third marriages are much more likely to end in divorce, meaning the statistics become more skewed because the same people continue to divorce.
Additionally, I'd like to see your source that in more than 80 percent of cases, divorces are initiated by women. EDIT: I found a source that says 75 percent of divorces are initiated by women, so you were right. However, the same source also says that men are more likely "to have problems with drinking, drug abuse, and infidelity." Source: David Popenoe, the National Marriage Project at Rutgers University, New Brunswick, N.J.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
What that figure actually means is that ~70% of divorce papers are initially filed by women. This doesn't necessarily mean that they initiated the divorce by choosing to leave the marriage, it could just be that they filed the paperwork after their husbands left. So it might be more accurate to say that more women than men are good at paperwork. It's impossible to tell from that statistic.
I like your take on the matter, mostly because I consider myself to be more superior at paperwork than my boyfriend so it must be true for all male-female relationships! ;)
Not all of them, or the number would be even more skewed.
Feminist apologist^
[–]askheidi 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm against alimony and think women should have jobs and NOT just stay at home with kids...OK? You have no idea what a feminist apologist is.
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Oh hey.
White supremacist trying to link the MR's reddit to extremism! Great.
[–]hvidgaard 10 points11 points12 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I'm just playing devils advocate here:
my point is; that your statistics are as useful as a wet noodle are as a weapon.
[–]izzaboo 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree completely with you...
minus wet noodles hurt when swung with enough force and make contact with bare skin ;)
[+][deleted] -6 points-5 points-4 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
How many of those marriages had a husband that wasn't emotionally there for the wife?
Mangina warning.
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]a_true_bro 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I wonder in how many of those >80% the woman benefits.
[–]DankJemo 9 points10 points11 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
a majority... especially if children are involved.
[–]kloo2yoo 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
absolutely none of them benefit unjustly, though, if you ask them.
the women illustrated in the OP would probably argue, if pressed that they 'gave' so many years of "service"
lol, and the man didn't? From this article, I think it's safe to assume that these woman, or at least the woman who is talking about divorcing her husband has never really had a job. So her having to work all of a sudden makes her incredibly unhappy... I would consider the man working, and bringing home the money that allows her to stay home at the house a service...
The problem is that the courts typically lean in the direction of the woman, even in cases where the man whats a divorce because, lets say the woman was caught cheating, or something like that. In this case, the woman can even been proven in a court of law that she is an unfit mother, and she will still have custody of the child... Which, frankly is the worst travesty of all. There are stories on reddit all the time about a mother who caused the death of her child, and the state essentially refused to remove that child from the environment because the person they are taking them away from is the mother.
[–]BeneficiaryOtheDoubt -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
A lot of that 50% is made up of people who remarry, who are also more likely to divorce again since they already have at least once.
[–]munky_quack 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Isn't it if you remarry then you are no longer entitled to alimony payments?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
No, second marriages are treated separately in the statistics. For second marriages, divorce rate is even bigger (>70%.)
[–]BeneficiaryOtheDoubt 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Oh ok. But does since 50% of first marriages end in divorce, does that imply that the other 50% lasts a liftime?
According to divorcerate.org, the first marriage divorce rate in Americca is 41%. So 59% last a lifetime?
[–]s73v3r 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I wanna see where you're getting those numbers.
[–]s73v3r -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
And how many of those divorces were initiated because they caught their husband in infidelity?
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Sure not all of them are like this. However, there are ENOUGH of them out there for this to be a real problem. Hence, the BEST thing an average man living in a western, feminist country (example, USA, Canada, Australia, UK, Sweden etc) can do is to avoid marriage and/or co-habitation with a woman.
[–]Valhara 8 points9 points10 points 13 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, but there are a lot of men who are complete assholes too. By your logic the best thing to do would be to avoid human contact entirely.
[–]nexes300 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Are the expected values of the two actions the same?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
A few people do chose that route (avoiding human contact). Hermits, renunciates, monks, others who choose to live a solitary life. It might not be feasible for everyone to renounce and avoid human contact entirely. But one can avoid marriage since it is not in one's best interest with the current system being biased against men.
[–]Valhara 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Unless you find a woman who isn't like the one in this story and wouldn't try to cheat you. They do exist you know.
It's your choice of course. I just think that this reddit tends to color people's perceptions and makes them think the percentage of women who are like this is higher than it really is. That's not to say it isn't an important issue though, if I thought that I wouldn't be subscribed, just that it doesn't apply to all cases.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Unless you find a woman who isn't like the one in this story and wouldn't try to cheat you.
The problem is that the guys who got into these marriages with those shitty women? They probably thought the woman they were marrying also was not in that category. Short of brain-reading and future-predicting machines, you really can't be sure.
I understand people who are willing to take the risk, and can see myself doing it. However, it's still a risk, because you can't be 100% sure any woman would never do such a thing. Even if you're completely confident in how well you know a person, they still might change in the future.
[–]gprime 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And yet you've missed the point. Cohabitation is problematic because of common law marriage regulations that remain in many places. And marriage itself is an outmoded institute. It is still entirely possible to have fulfilling romantic relationships, including long term monogamous ones without resorting to either.
I have met far more men who are worth interacting with than women. Women are like cats - they whine all the time and only want your food (, clothing, shelter). Men are like dogs in the sense that they have the capacity for love and can be loyal.
I'd say there likely exist 1 in 10,000 American women who I would be willing to engage in a long-term relationship with. The odds for other men may be better as I am very picky. 1 in 1000 perhaps? To find a female who is supportive of men's rights, maybe 1 in 100?
I'm quite surprised I found one, actually.
why take the risk?
[–]tomek77 -2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
+1 here, my friend.
No fucking way, I'll ever get married.
I have a successful internet business, 2 houses on 2 continents, 2 girlfriends a decade younger than me :) and I am not planning on giving it away to some entitled bimbo because she learned how to fuck and has the feminazi state acting as her pimp.
[–]lysergical 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Just make sure you swap out those girlfriends every couple of years, otherwise they'll claim they're your common law wife.
[–]tomek77 -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I swap them every couple months :)
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
This is the reason I never date American woman.
[–]kloo2yoo 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I know a Russian woman knew the game and some played it well. I also have relations who loved and lost to Vietnamese and Philippino women.
I agree with you that there are others however being some who has travel extensively in Asia and south/ central America their tactics are rather transparent compared to their US counterparts. I've also found they are much less prevalent than in the US.
[–]tomek77 -2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I hear you! I haven't dated American women for years :)
Me too.
My advice: Just get a prenup.
[–]XFDRaven -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Better yet, just don't get married.
Tax benefits/medical visits/etc. There's enough legal incentive that sometimes marriage does make sense.
So like all other government spending, if I let them take $10 today, they'll give me back $2.50 in 10 years?
No thanks.
[–]stygianstank 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Makes me nervous, I'm going through a divorce right now...But thankfully, she's agreed to an anullment.
So I guess it's not really a divorce, eh?
[–]vectorz 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Anullments usually have very specific requirements to be applicable. Such as proof of being intoxicated , impaired judgement, forced without consent, or some sort of legal error during process. It's not as easy as you'd think.
[–]ghostchamber 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Okay, can someone please explain to me what the fuck emotional rape is?
[–]thefig 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
WTF WTF. Guess I'm gonna have to go with a pre-nupt and save my spermies in test tubes, and get a vasectomy.
[–]Il128 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I watched my sister plan on marrying and divorcing a millionaire and then I watched her carry out that plan... She hasn't worked a single day in her life.
[–]cyllos 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
This actually makes me very, very sad
[–]SeanHearnden 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Screw that. Everyone should just go gay. Bullet dodged.
[–]2inthebush 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Regardless of whether this is fake or not: if a woman were so inclined, could she pull this off? Could the conversation count as evidence against her, or are her motives "legal."
[–]InfinitelyThirsting 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It depends on where you live, and what the laws are. No matter what someone tells you about how MEN ALWAYS GET SCREWED!!, that's not accurate. There are states and places with equitable divorce laws.
[–]vectorz -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Absolutely. At least in California.
[–]Hakaanu 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Holy goddamn motherfucking shit that pisses me off! That makes me want to find a child, tell it there's no Santa Claus, and slap the SHIT out of it just for being born into a world like this. MUST.....KILL.....LINCOLN!
[–]stemgang 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link
Here is the direct link, so you can read text, instead of a picture.
Not all women are like this, but...
To me it's a question of awareness. Most men seem blissfully unaware that some women are like this, that in fact their own wives might be like this, until they are blindsided, and robbed of their children, their homes, their income, and their dignity.
Could it happen to you? Don't say no unless you're pretty damn sure!
So when it comes to awareness, you have to watch out for women like this...not that you'll ever be able to tell what a person will be like in ten years.
So the bar is set...women had better be able to convince you that they are not like this, and work hard to earn your trust...
Basically, the system rewards betrayal. Behavior that once would have been unthinkable, now has become quite profitable.
edit: to add a note of optimism. We all dream of a lifetime of love with a loyal woman. Most keep on searching, and keep up hope, despite any setbacks.
[–]Joeboy 11 points12 points13 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's a direct link to the same text, not the original discussion. I'm guessing the original discussion doesn't exist, but citations are welcome.
[+][deleted] 13 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Thanks! Bookmarked for later reading.
[–]cpr267 8 points9 points10 points 13 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
My cousin's ex-wife tried to play him and the system in way much like this. They started out okay and were married for three years or so and had a two-year-old. From what we gather, she cooked up a grand plan (along with her own mother) to fleece him for all the state would allow, citing emotional abuse (she even tried to get the house he built before he married her), and basically run off and live the high life in Florida off his alimony and child support while he worked his ass off and missed his son. Good news is that it didn't work. The judge awarded a very fair settlement; minimal alimony, reasonable child support and equally shared parental rights. (Admittedly, he may not have been the best husband, but he's an awesome dad). My cousin said his ex and her mom turned white when the judge read his ruling. Wish I coulda been there. tl/dr: The system doen't always reward the wicked. edit: the OP may be fake, but people like this really are out there.
Good to hear that the judge was fair. Unfortunately, this is the exception.
[–]a_true_bro 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Why doesn't the page link to the source? It seems fabricated, though I wouldn't be surprised if it's not.
[–]sotek2345 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Solution - make sure you are piss poor and in debt when you propose!
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
This is appalling but I have to make it clear not ALL women think like this.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah I've noticed this and yet, somehow, most guys manage to get with those women no matter how wary It makes it difficult for those of us who are honest and not gold digging bitches
Of course not. The problem isn't that there is a higher proportion of female assholes, it's just a system that puts a female asshole in a position to do a lot more harm.
Precisely it's the system thats the problem.
[–]youarerunbyyourcolon 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It was written by a guy, women don't use phrases like "can I get a piece of it".
[–]theconversationalist 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I've seen nothing but this from relationships since I was a child. Now I'm approaching 30, I don't want a wife because I see this happening to me... I hate this system we have, it's at best retarded and in reality more like a form of slavery.
I refuse to be one of the broken middle aged dudes that really loved someone that was as shallow as a red necks gene pool and left the first time things got a little hard.
Also I hate sex and the city for the terrible portrayal of how women should act. Be a good person, don't lie, cheat, steal, or abuse(emotional and physical). Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. It's not difficult to say, but apparently it's difficult to instill in the daughters and sons of this country(IMHO)
[–]yuyukachoo 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I think you're dating the wrong type of women.
[–]theconversationalist 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I wasn't talking about the women I date, if a women treats me like I'm not her equal I'll kick her ass to the curb. I have ended relationships because I saw her acting towards me like her mom treated her father, the thing I'm trying to say is I'm single and willing to settle down if I could find a women that understands I'm a person and not what her imagination or pop culture is telling her I should be. I have witnessed women cackling like old hens while saying really mean things about their husbands, I've seen husbands do the same, I'm not like those people and I want nothing to do with them.
[–]Medeaa 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You're never going to find a good partner as long as you're terrified of finding a horrible one (read: walking stereotype). I bet all your life you've only seen the bad ones!
[–]theconversationalist 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
nope, actually I learned what a good relationship is like from the good relationships I do know about, the good healthy relationships and marriages I have in my life are what has helped me get a better grasp on what a good relationship really is. Most people don't travel around groups of people like I do, I've always been a social chameleon and from all the people I know there's a total of maybe 3 good relationships... out of over a hundred. I'm not a pessimist. I'm a realist.
[–]theconversationalist 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
to be honest if I was to guess why I haven't found someone it would be an underlying feeling of inadequacy, most of the happy relationships I've seen were from people that were financially secure, I came from a very poor family and I've scraped and worked myself to a lower middle class but I know how easy it is to fall back to being poor. I've seen it happen, and I feel anyone that hasn't seen that wouldn't stick around if it happened to me, so I'd be poor, broken, and alone... if anything that would be the reason I'm single...
Every one of those women have forfeited their humanity. They're nothing but conniving, avaricious, soulless hags.
[–]Mr_Subtlety 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Divorce and alimony laws are quite dated and anachronistic in some places, but anyone defending this supposed conversation as genuine and especially anyone defending it as representative of women in general probably doesn't talk to all that many real women.
[–]endo 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I guess you don't spend much time in hair salons...I hear this stuff every day.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Nothing but useless parasites.
But awesome to read. A great reminder for all of us men to avoid marrying these harpies.
[–]yuyukachoo 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wow.
I am female and this disgusts me as well. -_- God damn manipulative people...
[–]BigWimply 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (56 children) | Copy Link
If you get pregnant, it's your own damn fault. Period. Pay for your own stupid kid, me and my money are a package deal. Who wanted the divorce again? Oh, right, that was you. Who's the evil conniving bitch with no heart? I think it's obvious.
[–]Zhire 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Heh, "Your own fucking kid" Yeah, sorry, but that kid wouldn't have happened without someone (the husband) to, erm, help out. Now that said, I think this woman is out of her freaking mind. Really? I mean, what the hell?
[–]doctor_alligator 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The divorce conversation is utter bullshit, but in fairness, it does sound like the couple planned for a child together.
[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 13 years ago (53 children) | Copy Link
If you get pregnant, it's your own damn fault.
is immaculate conception back in style?
[–]DankJemo 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
When was it out of style? I am expecting now, and I am a man...
mazel tov!
[–]ausernameisfinetoo -3 points-2 points-1 points 13 years ago (45 children) | Copy Link
No, but there is always the pill, the diaphragm or whatever, and the morning after pill.
THEY wanted to keep the baby.
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 13 years ago (40 children) | Copy Link
Or you could take an active role in your sex life and use a condom instead of just crossing your fingers that she remembered her pill on time today.
[–]kloo2yoo 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link
condoms break, and women have been known to rape men.
[–]amb88 12 points13 points14 points 13 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
Your inability to take responsibility for your seed makes me very sad. Do not have sex if you can't handle the possibility of producing a child.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
agreed
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Yeah! Don't walk on the street if you can't fight off your rapist.
(Good logic, imo).
More like don't jump out of an airplane without a parachute and then act surprised when you hit the ground.
[–]sile0 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Or like don't trust a girl when she tells you it's a parachute? If a guy lies about, or fails, at using a condom, that's a dick move. But if a girl lies about, or fails, at her pill, the guy is to blame? That's a lot like blaming the victim.
[–]BigWimply -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think you'd be allowed to be surprised if an airplane hit you on purpose on the way down.
What? Did someone hit you with a baby when you were having sex?
Yeah, you jerk! Embrace your reproductive responsibilities even though you have no reproductive rights, unlike wimminz!
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
The article is about wives wanting to leave their husbands. The person I was talking to was saying that if a woman gets pregnant it's all her own fault as if he wasn't involved in the conception at all.
I recognize that sometimes accidents happen, and it's unfortunate that we don't have reliable birth control that is 100% other than surgery, sterilization, or abstaining from sex all together, however in the event of an unplanned pregnancy both parties are to blame because both were involved in sex and knew that even with birth control there is a risk.
[–]sile0 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
And whatever happens with that pregnancy, the mother is the only one to blame, because she is the only one who had any choice. She could have had an abortion. She could have put it up for adoption. She decided to raise a child, you can't hold the guy responsible for a choice he didn't have.
Responsibility without rights. Manhood in three words.
If the father was not a sperm donor, he created this child and should be responsible for it, regardless of whether he meant to create it or not.
Along your line of thinking if a woman divorces a man she should get full custody and the father should have no rights at all because she was the one who decided to not abort the kids. It's craziness. 2 people contributed, 2 people are responsible.
[–]sotek2345 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
vasectomy - just sayin
[–]BitterDivorcedDad -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Which doctors routinely deny to young men.
[–]gprime0 points 13 years ago* [recovered] (9 children) | Copy Link
This is not a fair position as long as abortion remains legal and mostly effective contraception exists. One should not ever have to assume responsibility for an unwanted child because luck wasn't on their side and their partner refuses to correct the unintended error.
[–]sile0 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Never mind abortion. Adoption. All these dead beat dad's I hear about, most never wanted children. Most never made any promises. Most are people who would have given the child up for adoption, but never had a choice.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
As long as there is surgery you shouldn't wear a bullet proof vest? Easier to prevent a problem than fix it after the fact.
[–]gprime 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I am not saying that it is a bad idea to wear a condom too. Indeed, my strong preference is for two forms of contraception to be used at all times. But, even then, shit happens. And so my point is that since abortion remains legal, and only the woman has a say in that, ultimate responsibility rests with her. And if she opts to keep it against the wishes of her partner, it is not fair that he retain future obligations.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Apparently not. All babies are either accidents or women using them to try and latch onto men for their money. Obviously no one mutually decides to have a baby anymore.
You fell for it!? Sucker. Obviously your dad was just thinking with his penis, your mom refused to abort you, and he's been bitter and hating you for the better part of your life. Your mom probably got a sweet deal out of it though.
[–]HeyWhyNot -3 points-2 points-1 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Immaculate Conception has to do with Mary's conception not Jesus'
Just FYI.
I did not know that. Always assumed it referred to the pureness of Jesus' conception.
[–]Gadfly_SNC 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
play on ladies play on
[–]GoodTimeLimeChime 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Some one should 4Chan this and warn the poor bastard.
[–]Proserpina 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
I am horrified for my gender. If I didn't like playing with my boobs so much I would feel morally obligated to get a sex change.
Fucking women. Dear god.
[–]yuyukachoo 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You're horrified by one example of a group of shit-head harpies? I'm sure I could find something on the internet about guys giving their wives a shake down for not having dinner ready when they get home. For the most part people are average, but the awful ones are always a lot louder.
I'm horrified for your gender too - because judging by your example you're all too stupid to realize a troll when you see one.
GG.
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
if it wasn't for the fact we like to play with your boobs so much we probably wouldn't deal with you guys in the first place. Thank your lucky stars for your twin girls down there!
[–]izzaboo 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link
Regardless if this is true or not: I'm disgusted and I'm a chick. (I know women who think this way and are being raised to think this way due to all the outlandish Feminist movement tactics.)
Reasons like this (that bullshit thinking) are why I have mainly guy friends and only have a few chick friends.
I am truly sorry for the shit that women think they can get away with guys, and I apologize for their behavior.
Luckily for humanity, some of us females aren't that ignorant, arrogant, or immoral.
Edit: Hopefully someone here is crafty enough and figures out a way to find out who she is, tell her husband, and use this as evidence against her in court just wanting to "cash out".... with a reasonable judge and a good lawyer, hopefully she doesn't get shit as far as his assets and such (house, car, money from his inheritance), minus for what he would have to pay for child support.
[–]helleborus 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I apologize for their behavior
Seriously - Fuuuuuuck you!
Apologize for your own sorry ass, not some made-up troll post.
Oh, I get it - you wanna be "the cool chick" - carry on. Maybe you'll grow up some day.
[–]izzaboo -4 points-3 points-2 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
roflmao, obviously you didn't read my post very well
And I am quite mature thank you. Maybe you're the one who needs to grow up sugar.
I'm not going out of my way to say this because I "wanna to be the cool chick" I couldn't really give a shit what you or anyone else on here thinks about my level of Awesome. If I wanted to be the cool chick, I'd spend more time planning parties and shit for the weekend rather than surfing internet forums and playing video games, because being the "cool chick" only matters if it is in interaction with people that you actually are around locally, rather than strangers on the internet.
So have fun little fail troll. I commend your efforts sweet cheeks. <3
[–]helleborus 7 points8 points9 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I commend your efforts sweet cheeks. <3
Thanks!
You got trolled hard and got all emotional about it (the hallmark of a successful troll, yes?), and then apologized to a bunch of defectives who despise you. Did you read the utterly hateful comments in this thread? And you apologize to these rejects? You're a disgrace!
Have a nice weekend!
[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Cool that there are women like you out there.
[–]izzaboo -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why thank you =]
What century...wait, what millennium is it? Alimony is so outdated it's ridiculous. Get an f-in' job like the rest of the world! Who can afford to live on one income, anyway? These women are worthless beings that are single-handedly destroying progress towards equality of the sexes. I don't plan on divorce but if that ever came up, I'd have the decency to not shit all over my husband.
[–]benevolent_redditor 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
People Respond to Incentives.
Exactly. If you pay them to divorce, that's exactly what they'll do.
[–]SendInTheNinjas 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh no, she has to work! I'm a woman, and unemployed, and I'd give my eye-teeth to have a job. What a silly cow.
[–]structuremole 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
These are absolutely disgusting people.
Welcome to the real world. Let's hope you never have to go through it.
I live in a big cougar town, lots of wealthy older single women. I've gone to the bar, hung out with, and even fucked a few of them.
I would say this is about spot on to how they talk about their ex-husbands.
[–]Mano21 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I am. fucking sickening.
GUYS. HERE IS SOME ADVICE.
Stay single... and your pockets will jingle =)
[–]Photoelectron 8 points9 points10 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Full pockets but an empty heart? No thanks.
A life where no risks are taken is a life unlived.
[–]amalgamatedchaos 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Better yet, don't jump into uncharted waters too soon. Take your time and assess the situation before taking the "risk."
Never settle. It's better to be single and alimony free than married and uncertain.
[–]BitterDivorcedDad 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You can have love without marriage.
[–]Photoelectron 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Personaly I see Marriage as just a formality. Mano21 was advising people to stay single not just unmarried. To love is to risk everything, even your sanity and that's just as true with a ring as it is without.
A JPEG of text?! FUCKING TERRIBLE! Who's the noob that made this? 8 bit PNG is the natural choice for such a thing. Wow... your ignorance disgusts and disturbs me. Even FUCKING GIF would be better.
Disgusted... Yes.
Surprised.... No.
[–]evil-doer -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
i can believe this is real. ive seen myself women talking like this on irc. pretty much exactly like this.
[–]SteelDragon87 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Seeing stuff like this, whether or not it is based on the statements of real persons does in fact disgust me. As it more or less reflects the statements and motivations of real persons, having similar conversations, even as I type this. ~ I am, as ever immensely glad and proud to be a gay man in a loving, mutually responsible relationship with another man. And, yes, seeing stuff like this makes me feel a twinge of pity for the droves of heterosexual men in this world who are abused and extorted by guiltless, greedy succubi, posing as women.
[–]greymattr 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm also glad I am a paranoid dick who never got married.
Either way, there is very little reason in this day and age to get married. I just hope I find Ms. Right, and we will live happily ever after without the need for marriage.
[–]SmartAssX 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah if i was in that guys situation i would abandon everyone and move to another country
Good strategy as well. Go ghost.
Emotional rape? What the fuck does that mean?
massages temples with fingers
I will mind rape you.
[–]PiR8_Rob 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Serously, if lashing out is emotional rape then my ex-wife raped the hell out of me on regular basis.
[–]TheGoddessAthena 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't get what's so disgusting. For one thing, we're only hearing one woman's side. Perhaps his other three kids were not content at all.
I've seen men treated unfairly. But, I've seen the other side as well.
Many men have three kids, get divorced and then want to "start over" with a new family at the expense of the first family. It's not a god-given right to have 4 children.
I got knocked up in high school. Sadly, I couldn't afford more children as a result. I've worked my ass off for years, but I'm not "entitled" to having more kids. I made a choice, I have to suffer the consequences - I can't have kids I can't afford. If I remarry, that will be a disclaimer unless the guy can afford another for the both of us.
So, if you want a kid and you marry a man who has three already, you better consider whether or not he can afford another (like she said).
For all we know, this guy has been telling wife #1 "I'm broke! I know my three kids don't have shoes, but I can't give you any more money!" Then he has another kid? In that case, it would be appropriate to go back to court for more money. I've seen this many, many times.
Also, if the ex has three kids, she has to pay much, much, much more to work outside the home than wife #2. If she doesn't work outside the home, she's worth the cost of a babysitter, tutor, housekeeper, psychologist, child advocate and more all rolled together.
[–]spartyX 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Alimony was for a time when women didn't have many rights and working wasn't an option. Nowadays alimony is almost always bullshit.
[–]DANMEGA 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Many jobs can be had from home, and many more can be severely part-time, to work around the others job so there is always 1 parent present. once school starts, day-job. This is really a disgusting link, no better word for it!
[–]fetuslasvegas 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm disgusted that this lady is complaining about getting a job....Really? It's 2010, if we woman want to be treated equal so bad we should be equally financially supportive of our families.
And putting a year mark on when to get divorced? Why even get married in the first place? That's just disgusting.
[–]Bonetastic 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What type of woman did that poor guy marry? I really think everyone should take ecstasy a few times in their life time, it really would make this planet a much better place.
[–]Poppalarge 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Couple birds gouging the system at the expense of their humanity. They are taking cues from corporate capitalism. It's all the system. There is no humanity without individual compassion. It's all who you chose to give compassion to. Over / under on these broads having wholesome christian backgrounds?
[–]Cyndy_Lou 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have seen this before. From years ago. Even if it is fabricated these are some of the things women talk about. A lot of people are under the impression, falsely, that women are angels and what some may have done to another man she won't do to you. I don't trust women as far as I can throw them and I'm a woman
[–]mrnoor 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
what the fuck?
[–]Burly_Satyr -2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I'm so glad I'm gay.
[–]XFDRaven -3 points-2 points-1 points 13 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link
Ten bucks says they're all feminists too.
[–]kanuk876 14 points15 points16 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
They don't need to be. They're beneficiaries of feminism whether they want to be or not.
I do find that the differences between the two are that one accepts their theft happily, and the feminist thinks it isn't enough.
[–]asdfg2435 17 points18 points19 points 13 years ago (28 children) | Copy Link
Twenty bucks says the conversation was written by one man.
[–]XFDRaven 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link
Which means that you're implying it's fiction. Yet truth is stranger than fiction, and there is an equivalent army of men who could introduce you to such women.
[–]asdfg2435 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link
Then those men should provide real-world examples instead of making up ridiculous conversations and trying to pass them off as real.
[–]XFDRaven -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link
At which point you would say, "Meh anecdotal." And then it becomes a game where you simply dismiss everything because it doesn't fit your preconceived notion.
Denial is a pretty serious mental condition, you may want to get some counseling.
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I'm a pretty straight-up carnivorous fast-car testosteroney guy... but your misogyny is still too rich for my blood. Bitter generalizations are not cool.
[–]Joeboy 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
At which point you would say, "Meh anecdotal."
And s/he would be right. Anecdotal is still a step up from fictional though.
[–]XFDRaven -2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago* (12 children) | Copy Link
Yet the original posts are more likely than not, actual quotes but as they aren't cited may as well be anecdotal. So in this case, both of you prefer anecdotes which fit your preconceived notions and you're self supporting your beliefs.
So..got an accredited academic journal to justify what you say is true? It's all hearsay and meaningless otherwise. If you want to go that route, I would be more than happy to require you to back up everything you say with a peer reviewed journal with its absence then being used as evidence that you're a complete tool.
[–]Joeboy 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
I think if something claims to be copied from a (nameless) Internet forum, has no usernames in it, reads like a piece of fiction and contains text that Google can't find anywhere on the internet except on pages where people are using it to illustrate the evilness of women, I think that's pretty strong grounds for suspicion. I'm not requiring academic citations, just a tiny, tiny shred of common sense.
If this was a real conversation it would have low but non-zero evidential value. As a piece of fiction it has at best zero evidential value. Again, this is common sense.
[–]asdfg2435 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
the original posts are more likely than not
Isn't that right there evidence of your own preconceived notions?
[–]asdfg2435 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Or I could extrapolate the actions of a few damaged women to condemn the entire gender, which would be eminently reasonable.
[–]XFDRaven 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I wish I were in the kinds of accounting you were in. I could solve the US national debt by touting it as, "a few dollars and not a significant indicator of financial help."
...unfortunately, I'm not. So on with the show.
[–]kyookumbah 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm just going to steal this from a poster above...
More than 50% marriages ends in a divorce, in >80% of cases it's initiated by women.
When you have a legal system set up that results in a hefty portion of an entire gender being able to get away with pretty much whatever they want, it's hardly "condemning" them as much as applying reasonable caution. My parents are happily married, but I doubt that I'd want to marry even if I was a straight guy.
OK, I have read enough posts by you on this thread and posting and a few things obviously need to be clarified to you since you seem to be missing the point:
Now the above is out of the way, the point that many of us are trying to get across is this:
There are some women who will exploit the anti-male system that currently exists (thanks to feminism). In order to protect ourselves from such exploitation, we come up with certain strategies. One of them is avoiding marriage/co-habitation in feminist countries.
I have spelled it out for you now. Please stop your trolling on this thread.
[–]asdfg2435 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
your entire gender
LOL
I have a dong.
Feminists are (were) people who wanted equal rights under law for the sexes.
They are most likely sexist.
Though I do understand the often used veil of feminism to hide sexism.
[–]kyookumbah 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The word "Feminist" means whatever the user wants it to mean. Maybe not in its beginning, but certainly since the sexual revolution.
[–]DJDYNOBOT 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'll be honest, this among many other reasons is why I am single and proud. I'll date, be honest, and I always let girls know I plan on never being in a relationship. I'll be nice, supportive, a great friend, and be there when times are tough, but putting societal constraints on my relationships are nothing I want to be a part of.
[–]intothelionsden 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
but i have to ask, do you feel fulfilled?
[–]zakrn 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
whether this is fake or not , people actually do this kind of shit and yes that is fucking disgusting.
[–]wavechaser -2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This posting just filled me with the fiery rage of a thousand burning suns.
Think hard before you marry ANY cunt. You'll be surprised how little you know of someone and how much a person can change when it comes down to stuff like this.
[–]hecklemonkey -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hopefully most women don't support those conniving thoughts in similar situations. Very scary. I feel sorry for the husband.
[–]vanillarain 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I can't believe shit like this still exists. Is this 1956?
[–]vectorz 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
In 1956 women were ignorant to their "rights" in a divorce. Today's sue-happy litigious society is the only one that fits the paradigm philosophy reflected in that discussion.
[–]vanillarain 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Touche.
[–]RhEEziE -2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So not surprised.
[–]dourk 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I have three kids from a prior marriage.
I been living with a girl for the past 7 seven years that has no kids from her prior marriage, and wants me to give her one.
Nope. No more kids, no more married.
I love my kids, and I understand why she feels she 'must' have one.
Nope.
Hope you had a vasectomy.
[–]dourk 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Coming to a doctors office this summer!
[–]Zoltrixx 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I will never understand the fairness in alimony
[–]chadius333 -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What don't you understand? These laws were made back in the golden days when women kept their asses in the damn kitchen. We finally let them out but never changed the laws... we did this to ourselves :(
fuck this, if you don't love him bail, don't sit there scheming about what you're entitled to, bitch
[–]giveitawaynow 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The forum no longer exists, I used to have the archives to nomarriage.com's forums (you can still find them on torrents if you want). The information on this site is real and very accurate (at the time of it's writing... situation has became a little worse within the years but only by a little bit). I don't really take advice from the internet, but every man I know who is over 50 and has been married to one person for over 10 years will always tell you to not do it. Don't believe me? Try this exercise for a size...
Get 5 people who fit into that criteria, get them piss drunk, loving, happy, etc. then ask them about their sex lives. Then ask them if they had to do it all over again, would they do it. You'd be very surprised at the answers.
EDIT - As for the actual image I don't care to know whether it's real or not, but the website itself had good intentions. I also have the ebooks.
[–]freedomgeek 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The top presumes I will have children with my theoretical wife...
[–]reross 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
For someone who has been thinking about marriage a lot lately, this almost made me puke . . . . . .
[–]green_beet 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Rolling around in the puke might give you a better taste of what might be coming in your future. Would you ever leave a woman simply because she wanted to spend the rest of her life with you but was not willing to get married?
[–]toblotron 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A pretty bad fake.. I'd like to see the poster explain where he got it from.
It reminds me a lot of the strawmen-things I detest when feminists do - sad.
[–]LowFatBrownie -2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
this is the reason i drive exotic cars; it lets me screw gold diggers without any guilt.
I hear that. The thing that pisses me off about gold diggers is the banging on the door at 4:00 a.m. and you have to get up and let them out.
Whatcha got? Lotus? Alfa?
[–]mmofan -3 points-2 points-1 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is how women think these days, and it is disgusting. You can thank the media and shows like Desperate Housewives, and I would suggest learning to either enjoy hairy buttholes or be celibate.
[–]bro_tip -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Check your package before you sign the invoice, boys - know what I mean? This is preventable.
[–]lowspeed 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You got a checklist ? How is this preventable ?
If someone has an agenda... it's very very hard to prevent.
The scariest thing about the entire dialogue is all of those facts are accurate.
- someone who's been there.
[–]MajorLegend -3 points-2 points-1 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I am never ever getting married, once girls become married women they automatically become insane trolls with reality distortion field around them all the time, and it just gets worst.
I hope my dad never ever marries his current gf, she'd probably get money and a piece of his retirement/inheritance for doing absolutely nothing.
Stuff like that makes me puke!!!
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[–]nexes300 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Can't you charge her with theft?
Good, it is smart to be afraid of scary things. I cannot tell you the untold misery visited upon me by my first wife, who was raised by someone with this mentality, and who has this view of menfolk. We are sperm donors and ATM's to lots of them, sadly.
[–]stringerbell -4 points-3 points-2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's not disgusting - that's just women being women...
I'd really like to know what forum this is because this villain's lair must be infiltrated... by ME
[+][deleted] -6 points-5 points-4 points 13 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
Maybe there should be a self post about what steps men can take to protect themselves from such scheming harpies.
The best step is to avoid marriage and/or co-habitation with a woman.
In case one does wish to get married for whatever reason:
Have an iron clad pre-nup made by an attorney who is reputable in the MRA world.
Do not have joint bank accounts with your wife. Same goes with debt, credit cards etc.
Prior to getting married, start up a bank account in a country that will not allow funds to be "extradited" to the US/whatever country you are from. Regulary save funds to this account - this will be your parachute in case of disaster. This should really be a secret only known by you.
If you are self-employed (which you should strongly look into), have a corporation. Most of the big assets should be owned by the corporation (car etc).
Your wife should continue working after marriage/kids. This should be a part of the agreement pre walking down the altar.
Look into human psychology to get ideas about how to have a healthy relationship. Women are biologically hypergamous. You should be a strong leader and do not put the pussy on a pedestal and cater to her every passing whim.
Any other ideas?
[–]naturalizedcitizen 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women with such attitudes and scheming (as in the attached image from that forum) are universal. Not all are like that but a very few are. In my home country, divorce is a very long process legally. You go to a family court and the court usually decides in favour of the woman. Fine. Its just like CA, where woman gets 50% or sometimes a little more if kids are involved.
Now the provision in the law is that if either partners does not like the Family Court decision then you can go to the High Court. Many women take advantage of this and will have another relationship while the case is going on. So the poor guy cannot even get rid of his marriage and start life anew, while the woman has already baited some other guy, is living off of him plus she will get the settlement after the divorce.
Laws in India are meant to protect women and its really needed, but jus a few rotten apples abuse the system and make life miserable for men.
[–]vectorz 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Doesn't matter what legal contract you have, everything is trumped by child support. The law protects the child's financial obligation before it honors anything else.
Thanks Nova.
[–]DankJemo -5 points-4 points-3 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Holy shit, now there are three cuntastic women right there. I hope they all die of AIDS.
[–]stemgang 9 points10 points11 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Too far. Way too far.
We're complaining about the way women treat men.
We're not wishing death upon them.
Returning hate for hate is not the answer.
Holy.shit.
[–]SpaceCowboy734 -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Pay attention, men, because I'm only going to say this once. MAKE THEM SIGN A FUCKING PRENUP!
[–]vectorz 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A prenup has absolutely no bearing when it comes to child support. The law protects the child before any other contractual agreement.
[–]engraverwilliam01 -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That conversation made me throw up a little in my mouth. My situation is the opposite. SHE walked out on my Son and I. I support him 100% because she is a woman and his mom, i cannot collect a dime in child support. The cunt still gets visitation every other weekend despite being on and off drugs. I now have to take her back to court (costing even more cash) to reduce the visits due to her habit. As a man I do not get shit.
[–]takinter -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
From the scottish play-
A dark Cave. In the middle, a Caldron boiling. Thunder.
Enter the three Witches. 1 WITCH. Thrice the brinded cat hath mew'd. 2 WITCH. Thrice and once, the hedge-pig whin'd. 3 WITCH. Harpier cries:—'tis time! 'tis time! 1 WITCH. Round about the caldron go; In the poison'd entrails throw.— Toad, that under cold stone, Days and nights has thirty-one; Swelter'd venom sleeping got, Boil thou first i' the charmed pot! ALL. Double, double toil and trouble; Fire burn, and caldron bubble. 2 WITCH. Fillet of a fenny snake, In the caldron boil and bake; Eye of newt, and toe of frog, Wool of bat, and tongue of dog, Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting, Lizard's leg, and owlet's wing,— For a charm of powerful trouble, Like a hell-broth boil and bubble. ALL. Double, double toil and trouble; Fire burn, and caldron bubble. 3 WITCH. Scale of dragon; tooth of wolf; Witches' mummy; maw and gulf Of the ravin'd salt-sea shark; Root of hemlock digg'd i the dark; Liver of blaspheming Jew; Gall of goat, and slips of yew Sliver'd in the moon's eclipse; Nose of Turk, and Tartar's lips; Finger of birth-strangled babe Ditch-deliver'd by a drab,— Make the gruel thick and slab: Add thereto a tiger's chaudron, For the ingrediants of our caldron. ALL. Double, double toil and trouble; Fire burn, and caldron bubble. 2 WITCH. Cool it with a baboon's blood, Then the charm is firm and good.
[–]weegee -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
bullshit. she can't touch any inheritance he gets even if they stay married, as long as the inheritance is given to him and him only, and for his retirement. if all that is in writing, she can't touch it. he has to put it in an account with only his name associated with it too. certainly after they are divorced, and their estate is divided up, its over for her. someone there is giving her a lot of bullshit information.
[–]Casz -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This just proves that it is better to never have kids or get married.
[–]sinsyder -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women, just bury them in the desert.
[–]Liverotto -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Conclusions: the Muslims are right, you gotta keep your bitches as slaves otherwise they will slowly but surely abuse the freedom they are given to obtain more freedom, more license and then THEY OWN YOU.
Yes. The devious female sexuality must be kept in check.
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