Will Men's Rights Be Next?

xNOM · 2015-06-10T19:28:55+00:00

We will ban subreddits that allow their communities to use the subreddit as a platform to harass individuals when moderators don’t take action.

Incredibly vague, as usual.

MisterDamage · 2015-06-10T20:54:03+00:00

The message to this sub is clear: The moderators are required to be far less hands off. If simply messaging the admins is insufficient to get us banned (and I'm confident that's already underway) they will make fake MRA accounts and commence harassing themselves from this sub.

realsbeforefeels · 2015-06-10T19:33:13+00:00

Ehhh... this is pretty dodgy territory. I don't know a whole lot about FPH, but I know that it was bigger than this sub (150Kish iirc?)

It is not easy to balance these values, especially as the Internet evolves. We are learning and hopefully improving as we move forward. We want to be open about our involvement: We will ban subreddits that allow their communities to use the subreddit as a platform to harass[1] individuals when moderators don’t take action. We’re banning behavior, not ideas.

Their definition of harassment, from the citation:

Systematic and/or continued actions to torment or demean someone in a way that would make a reasonable person (1) conclude that reddit is not a safe platform to express their ideas or participate in the conversation, or (2) fear for their safety or the safety of those around them.

Now feel free to correct me if I'm building a strawman here, but this appears to imply that several negative comments/posts made on a sub directed towards any individual/group, regardless of whether the content of the posts is legitimate criticism, could be sufficient to get a sub shut down.

If this is the case, there are a plethora of subs that could potentially get axed. This rule is extremely vague and as many have pointed out in the linked post, seems to be selectively enforced as several smaller but nastier subs have escaped the banhammer.

I don't know if members of FPH have legitimately gone out of their way to harass others and the mods have allowed this to happen. But I think nuking a 6-figure strong subreddit plus lurkers because of the actions of a few and questionable moderating is overreaching massively.

I guess we'll see what other subs fall in the coming weeks. Hopefully this sub won't be one of them.

freedomfreighter · 2015-06-10T21:16:43+00:00

If men's rights is banned, I'm leaving Reddit. It takes a truly sick individual to claim that a sub that talks amongst itself about real issues is "harassing" others.

GarneyBumble · 2015-06-11T01:59:20+00:00

The chairman of the board, Alexis Ohanian called this specific subreddit a "Hive of Misogyny" of course you are next, they are just setting the playbook up and figuring out how the PR falls when they take down one subreddit that is easy to crush and keep most people out of the argument.

The reason they only took down 5 subs this time is because this is a trial run. Any sub can be filled up with subscribers working together to forge the appearance of harassment coming out of a sub and have it fall afoul of the incredibly vague new rules.

The admins just threw out the 'no brigading rule' by admitting in the post that SRS does a lot of it but is still not going to have anything done to it, aside from reddit inc working on 'new tools' in the distant future.

You are next because you are not monetizable in an IPO. Geico and Unilever want nothing to do with you and never want to risk having your content appear at eye-level with that which they are paying to put on the site.

I warned FPH in a meta post that front paged on that sub right after The Open Letter leaks came out and the mods said "We enforce the rules, we'll be fine", but didnt see that the whole point was that the rules dont matter, its all a sham in the face of getting reddits revenue inline with its traffic potential.

BruceCampbell123 · 2015-06-10T22:43:14+00:00

I highly doubt it. Say what you want about r/MensRights, we're not harassing anyone.

thelandofdreams · 2015-06-11T02:01:14+00:00

IN B4 disagreeing with a feminist is relabeled "harassment"

sillymod · 2015-06-10T20:52:03+00:00

The mods here take a strong stance against harassment. While we allow np.reddit.com links for cross posts, this is no different from /r/bestof, or any number of other subreddits. In fact, we have far, far fewer cross posts.

Beyond that, we cannot control users who choose to bypass these rules and harass people on other subreddits. We don't let doxxing occur here, we ban people who are here just to harass others, but there is only so much we have the ability, as moderators, to do. We don't have access to private messages to see people who harass users there.

In the end, we don't have much control over this. I think that, while much of Reddit doesn't necessarily approve of this sub, Reddit would require evidence that this sub is harassing people to stand for it being banned, especially before SRS and AMR, both of which were mentioned more frequently in the comments there than MR.

HitlerWasADoozy · 2015-06-11T07:38:56+00:00

I didn't know people actually hated this subreddit/men's rights besides extremist feminists. It's like most people do (especially women) from what I've seen, for whatever reason. Anyway, really hope this subreddit doesn't get taken down.

Trail_of_Jeers · 2015-06-10T20:00:06+00:00

Eventually, yes.

Hammerhart · 2015-06-11T00:53:10+00:00

Please oh please don't let Reddit become some PC shithole.

EvolvingRedneck · 2015-06-10T19:38:08+00:00

OK. So the fatpeoplehate was banned why? We're the moderators breaking the harassment policies (by systematically targeting another redditor)? Because all it would take is for someone to make a throwaway account (or more) and harass another redditor in the name of MRA' s. I would hope the investigation to harassment claims would be thoroughly processed.

Dnile1000BC · 2015-06-10T22:59:59+00:00

Remember, disagreeing, critising, presenting / asking for facts, logic and reason are all tools of the patriarchy to oppress, harass, assault and RAPE womyns. Check your dictionary privilege shitlords!

This means /r/menrights will be nuked in 5 ... 4 .. 3

2015-06-10T19:33:45+00:00

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XKG34719 · 2015-06-10T19:55:05+00:00

Did you expect anything different?

http://www.voat.co/v/mensrights

See you there!

ParaBDL · 2015-06-10T22:29:23+00:00

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baserace · 2015-06-11T02:16:55+00:00

Hail Chairman Pao!

Goldenpity · 2015-06-11T03:40:45+00:00

Ugh, and I was hoping reddit was immune to all the tumblrinas and their SJW bullshit

Capitalsman · 2015-06-10T21:43:47+00:00

We will ban subreddits that allow their communities to use the subreddit as a platform to harass individuals when moderators don’t take action.

So every political subreddit (they don't like), and every religious subreddit, any anti-<movement> subreddit (except anti mrm), and every pro sport team related subreddit?

potah · 2015-06-11T01:55:00+00:00

Why on earth would this subreddit ever get banned? To me, it's the complete opposite of harassment and aims to support. As a female, I support this subreddit and I agree with most of what I see posted.

/r/theredpill and its sister (lol) subs, and /r/againstmensrights on the other hand is something else.

intensely_human · 2015-06-11T06:57:48+00:00

If this subreddit goes down, reconvene at voat.co/v/mensrights (I think that's the URL - I can't see right now because voat.co is down)

TacoNinjaSkills · 2015-06-10T19:10:00+00:00

I have no reason to think so. No harassment ever happens on this sub. If they approach their "harassment" policy that way, I think Reddit will lose most of its user-base within a year.

Tedesche · 2015-06-11T01:16:23+00:00

No, and here's why: because as little overall clout as the MRM has, we are actually starting to make headlines. If they banned this sub, we'd all go apeshit, and the media would hear about it. Reddit doesn't need that kind of shitstorm, and I think it's pretty clear that these bans aren't about protecting victims of harassment so much as it is improving Reddit's image and retaining advertisers. This is about money and reputation, and even if most people wouldn't really care if this sub was banned, enough people would make enough noise that it would grab the public's attention for a brief enough time that it would put the idea in enough people's minds that Reddit was stifling political views. Advertisers do not want to be associated with that kind of rep, and so Reddit doesn't want to be within 100 yards of it. We'd have to seriously cross the line, many times, enough so that the media started talking about it before Reddit would take action against us, because again—they're only interested in cutting down on bad press. No bad press, no action on their part.

That being said, keep it civil, folks.

Jasperkr672 · 2015-06-10T21:02:50+00:00

I'm going to start archiving (archive.is) a couple of the more important posts on this subreddit.

I'd suggest other people do the same thing as well.

Heraclitus94 · 2015-06-11T01:22:13+00:00

Where's the nearest free speech zone again?

dasFisch · 2015-06-11T02:03:03+00:00

The one thing I'm glad about is no one mentioned anything about men's rights. Actually /r/againstmensrights was mentioned by some user (not sure if they're a member here). But overall, if you look at the subs mentioned, it's the ACTUAL awful subs. I found out there some subs that... I... I literally can't even believe that someone CREATED THEM, let alone the fact that people JOINED them. I have a feeling we have little chance to get banned. Granted, there's a chance, but I am not worried.

(knocks on wood feverishly)

baserace · 2015-06-11T02:40:02+00:00

/r/AMR is asking why the OP is a mod of /r/WomenHate.

I also see you're a mod of various other subs, including /r/MenHate and /r/WomenDislike.

It's a fair question - OP?

thehumungus · 2015-06-10T20:37:35+00:00

probably not. r/coontown is still up. They're letting subreddits offensive to liberal ideas stay up, so long as they play nice with other subreddits.

rozzzy · 2015-06-11T00:15:46+00:00

TRP will go way before mens rights does

cymrich · 2015-06-10T20:55:38+00:00

what were the other 4 subreddits that got banned?

ButterBoobs · 2015-06-10T23:42:03+00:00

First they came for the fatasses...

I say this sub should leave reddit first. We've outgrown it anyway.

dejour · 2015-06-11T01:20:30+00:00

https://np.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/39bpam/removing_harassing_subreddits/cs25u4n

I don't think harassing people is a regular occurrence. I think we can play by the rules.

The only time I could see it being an issue is if someone posts a video of an anonymous "Big Red" type. Then people en masse decide to doxx her and send her verbal abuse that can be construed as threats. We should just criticize her ideas rather than harass anyways.

Crazyhyperway · 2015-06-11T01:23:01+00:00

Mensrights won't get banned. If they are going to ban this sub there will be massive hate because this sub isn't focused around making fun of a group of people like coontown or fph. You are over-exaggerating, they aren't planning to ban this sub (Pao said she doesn't even plan on banning coontown)

ejh3k · 2015-06-11T02:34:07+00:00

You know what I think is sad about the loss of FPH? The motivation it has provided many people to lose weight, including me. I have never been anywhere near as large as anyone on that sub, but I could stand to lose 50 pounds and they have motivated me to do just that. So for that loss, I am saddened. There have been bystanders who have been besmirched, but for the most part that sub just wanted people to look in the mirror and take personal responsibility and stop lying to themselves and the people that cared for them. Goodnight and goodbye sweet shitlords. I will remember you fondly. To my fellow MRAs: keep doing what you feel is best in your hearts. So many of you prop up and support each other and it makes me feel warm inside to see so many men drop their shields and care. Some of you are dicks though too, just as there were assholes in FPH.

The_Directors_Cut · 2015-06-11T02:57:40+00:00

Even if I didn't always approve of things said on FPH, banning it was too far. And now the backlash will be people angered and paranoid, which is never a good mixture. I'd buckle your seatbelts everyone, shit's about to get crazy.

rg57 · 2015-06-11T06:23:08+00:00

Oh. And here I thought this would be about, you know, after same-sex marriage goes through, would men's rights be next.

Guess I can keep dreamin.

Akesgeroth · 2015-06-11T07:00:04+00:00

If they're telling the truth, no. Question is, do you think they're telling the truth?

Either way, voat.co is there if they decide to Digg their own grave.

BinLadenBComin · 2015-06-11T20:21:03+00:00

This is the way the world ends. This is the way the world ends. This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but with a Pao.

Shadow ban me, bitch.

iMADEthis2post · 2015-06-11T22:12:32+00:00

I've just been looking into this somewhat and I will point out that they have not banned the following hate subs, SRS and againstmensrights and probably any other subs that target males.

They have even said they don't qualify. I'm actually thinking that half the admins may actually be subscribed now.

I am suddenly very interested in the whole thing.

ownage99988 · 2015-06-11T09:53:10+00:00

No. We don't doxx people, we don't vote brigade. There's no logical reason to ban this sub. That's just paranoia bud.

romerom · 2015-06-11T07:09:02+00:00

quite a bit different than FatPeopleHate imo. huge difference.

Otter_Actual · 2015-06-11T07:21:00+00:00

If it is they better take two x chromosomes

CoobyBooby · 2015-06-10T21:41:54+00:00

Sadly, yes.

LikeADemonsWhisper · 2015-06-10T22:51:24+00:00

It won't, but honestly I would only find hilarious if it was.

AtomicBLB · 2015-06-10T23:37:34+00:00

By their own explanation, as long as the things we post aren't about witch hunts and literally attacking people in the real world, we shouldn't worry even a little. Don't know if it's just lip service or not at this point. As long as the process isn't up to mods and is something the admins have to agree on in some sense I am not worried about it.

apullin · 2015-06-11T00:12:41+00:00

Yes. I would bet yes.

GreasedLightning · 2015-06-11T00:19:40+00:00

I'm surprised they didn't disable the downvote button on that post.

UltraCoolUsername · 2015-06-11T00:50:18+00:00

Archive everything motherfuckers. You better learn from KiA.

bubbleki · 2015-06-11T01:58:06+00:00

No. Droves will leave.

KRosen333 · 2015-06-11T02:04:50+00:00

Probably.

2015-06-11T03:10:22+00:00

Are all posts archived? Do we move to voat in such a case?

twosmalldeaths · 2015-06-11T03:54:50+00:00

Who remembers the linked spreadsheet from SRS with info about us and what we said to upset them???

2015-06-11T04:44:14+00:00

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THRAKERZ0D · 2015-06-11T04:56:00+00:00

/r/fatpeoplehate got banned because it got to /r/all so often, and because of it's hateful nature it gave reddit a bad image to sjws. I've seen people in places like Tumblr rant about /r/fatpeoplehate way more than any other subreddit. We're fine.

bsutansalt · 2015-06-11T05:04:42+00:00

I've set up a forum for us and some other non-PC subs to fall back to in the event Reddit loses its mind and decides to drive the site into the ground.

While it's still in the early stages, you're all welcome to join us in the Men's Rights section.

Needlecrash · 2015-06-11T12:19:11+00:00

It better not be.

Frittern · 2015-06-11T17:18:22+00:00

This sub generates a lot of outside references in the press, in that way we are pretty influential. Even if that influences is just to try to undermine it's still suggests that the sentiments expressed are part of a growing trend. Trying to censure discussion on a topic that's catching on simply makes the topic of discourse accelerate faster. You cant delete the discussion the interest the discussion will simply spread to other forums and in attempting to quash the topic you just makes those that hold opposing ideologies look weak.

Snowfox2ne1 · 2015-06-10T19:54:30+00:00

FPH and various other subs were taking people doing everyday things, and posting them online to make fun of them. It is fine to have a counter sub for something they disagree with; if FPH only picked on those who publicly advocated the 'healthy at every size', or other fat positive movements, there wouldn't be an issue. FPH went out of their way to make fun of anyone and everyone. People were linking people from their facebook, taking pictures in public with fat people, and doing all of this while harassing people for simply existing and being over-weight.

To think that MR is next, is insanity. Unless we start posting pictures of anyone and everyone who attends feminist rallies, and ridiculing individuals for simply being women/feminists, we have nothing to worry about. Also, our mods keep us in check, and this has never been a hate sub, while the FPH mods went out of their way to ban any voice that didn't point at laugh in blind hatred of all things fat.

zazhx · 2015-06-11T01:32:10+00:00

Alright, before everyone starts panicking, take a look at this thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/39bzdf/why_was_rfatpeoplehate_along_with_several_other/

Here are some other potentially interesting posts:

http://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/39bzdf/why_was_rfatpeoplehate_along_with_several_other/cs2c14q

http://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/39bzdf/why_was_rfatpeoplehate_along_with_several_other/cs23u3y

http://www.np.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/39bpam/removing_harassing_subreddits/cs20wu6

Now, it's entirely possible that /r/MensRights is in trouble, but I think/hope that we can all agree that /r/fatpeoplehate was not a good subreddit and that we do not want to be affiliated or aligned with it. Whether or not they deserved to be banned is another story, one which we do not fully know. But, there could very well be good reason for their banning. Vagueness on the part of the admins is hardly ideal and doesn't paint a good picture, but it's not necessarily a sign of our impending demise. Unless you really do believe that /r/MensRights is no different than /r/fatpeoplehate.

wiseprogressivethink · 2015-06-11T01:44:57+00:00

The Left has begun its Great Purge of Reddit.

backup - https://voat.co/v/socialconservative

BearWithHat · 2015-06-10T21:27:36+00:00

People on fph openly talk about going into subreddits like makeupaddiction and harassing people who post. Do you do that in the name of men's rights? No? Then nothing to worry about.

elebrin · 2015-06-10T21:41:02+00:00

Realistically, Reddit is a tool for making money for the people who own it. That's what it is meant to be. It is completely within their power to permanently ban who or what ever they want with no reason whatsoever or to lie about the reasoning. They owe us nothing.

Next or not, it doesn't matter. Men's Rights has other places it can go, as does FPH. Reddit is just a convenience. If we wanted a site where we didn't have to worry, we'd build a private community where people have to be invited to join and are carefully vetted to ensure they will fit in BEFORE they are given that privilege.

Stephen1985 · 2015-06-11T03:26:55+00:00

I dont think so, /r/fatpeoplehate[1] took things too far, they were actively harassing imgur mods and that got them banned.

Decalance · 2015-06-11T11:27:39+00:00

Why would it be next ? I don't get it.

olioster · 2015-06-11T01:21:06+00:00

I see it happening eventually.

raxical · 2015-06-11T04:45:03+00:00

Hands down, best comment

2nd best comment

energyinmotion · 2015-06-11T02:04:14+00:00

If anything, the Red Pill is next, sadly. :[

Ninebythreeinch · 2015-06-11T04:46:48+00:00

Anyone can be next. It's a predictable as Stalin's glory days.

gamingisforfags · 2015-06-11T03:48:53+00:00

We can only hope so, cuz yall crusty ass motherfuckers need to get out and get laid.

Mentitor · 2015-06-11T01:35:09+00:00

One can only hope.

LexLugerChantSample · 2015-06-10T22:15:05+00:00

lol maybe considering you guys spammed a rape reporting site with false claims.

Wyboth · 2015-06-10T20:51:59+00:00

Let's hope so.

Title	Will Men's Rights Be Next?
Author	Il128
Upvotes	958
Comments	371
Date	June 10, 2015 7:05 PM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/39bz7y/will_mens_rights_be_next/
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