anyone here that generalizes a gender is wrong

crimson_juniper · 2022-06-10T18:18:59+00:00

Wrong.

Talking about populations without resorting to the individual is valid.

NinjaOfTheSouth · 2022-06-10T17:40:22+00:00

You must have not heard of statistics and study’s💀

Fine-Training-8196 · 2022-06-10T20:04:29+00:00

Yes there are individual differences between individual men and women but you can’t ignore the group difference and trends. The stats show that women do better than men in modern society at least regarding dating. No woman is forced to live without sex. The brutal realities are not the same for men. I bet if someone made a thread for unattractive men to talk about their dating experiences it would not be filled with stories about being in relationships with attractive women.

Vohsrek · 2022-06-10T23:56:30+00:00

The golden rule should be to approach PPD from your experience, without making assertions or stating opinions as fact.

“The rise of online dating makes me feel less than human. I deserve to be loved unconditionally just as much as everyone else. I shouldn’t have to submit headshots for women to browse through - one among hundreds, thousands - and be judged valuable or worthless by an apathetic jury. It’s infuriating to me the obstacles I have to navigate as a man that women don’t have to overcome.”

Vs.

“Women only want 666 chads, they might say they care about personality and all that bullshit, but deep down their lizard brains disagree. They always have floaters at arms reach in case you fuck up.”

yelama · 2022-06-10T18:19:33+00:00

We’re more similar than we are dissimilar.

trippingfingers · 2022-06-10T18:24:22+00:00

Anything on the internet that calls itself a -pill is bad for you is another good rule of thumb.

Urbanwitch666 · 2022-06-10T19:23:15+00:00

Agreed, it's the main thing I hate about this sub.

People make sweeping judgements based on poor quality studies. Or even poorer anecdotal bullshit.

ChessClubChick · 2022-06-10T18:54:36+00:00

96% of women refuse to date an even slightly shorter man. 96%. But sure, don’t generalise. Don’t even say “mostly” 🤣

Meihuajiancai · 2022-06-10T18:02:33+00:00

Do you apply this to any other sociological topic?

If I said that "Humans like salt in their food", would you get bent out of shape and tell me that people exist who don't enjoy salt?

If I said that "People like movies or shows where the underdog wins" would you tell me that people exist who like when the bad guys wins?

If I said "I like pizza" would you say 'oh ya, well here's an english muffin with ketchup and a slice of kraft that I microwaved. It technically fits the definition of pizza, do you like this shit?'

Or here's a hot take. If I said "women are need to be suspcious of men they don't know" would you go on an MRA rant about #notallmen?

Why is it that sex and relationships are the only area of life that people are forbidden from operating under the assumption that when you meet a new person there are acceptable assumptions you can make when interacting with them. I really don't understand this mindset. In every other area of life we operate like this, but in this one sphere it's like blasphemy if some says 'men like ________'?

ZestycloseYam9291 · 2022-06-10T18:28:57+00:00

There all kinds of data, be it about sex or race that can apply to this sub but they aren't allowed to be posted

pop442 · 2022-06-10T20:46:21+00:00

I mean...duh.

Even the very notion that men and women fawn over the same type of people is highly exaggerated, hence why the whole Chad or Stacy thing is overblown. Flava Flav is ugly as sin and old but still had women fawning over him. Does that make him a "Chad" by PPD standards because Flava Flav definitely ain't someone I want to emulate and there's many women who find him disgusting despite how many groupies he had.

I doubt women pursuing PHD's in Harvard are as amazed by the tall jock who plays football as much as the high school cheerleader.

I've seen plenty of cases of people disagreeing over whether someone was "hot" or not in real life as well as online.

There's so much diversity of thought and preferences among people that I feel you have to really not have much experience with people to make such broad conclusions. But the same people will pull the "AF/BB" or "settling" card when you point to the endless amount of average looking couples out there.

just_a_place · 2022-06-11T07:20:39+00:00

The word "gender" itself is a generalization, you already fucked up your argument there buddy. lol

in a world of 8 billion people, it makes 0 sense to say all (or even most) "women/men" are like "this"

Because fuck statistics, crowd psychology, and predictive patterns of behavior right? Who needs all that empirical crap that says that X group of people will behave thus in these sets of situations. It's not as if it's backed by mountains of evidence and predictive models that can be put to the test after all. Am' right?

itm4l2000 · 2022-06-11T11:53:32+00:00

But every man is a potential rapist, right? So I have to make him jump through so many emotional hoops because I'm also unsure of myself.

flapperfemmefatale · 2022-06-10T17:45:21+00:00

I'm okay with generalizations, but what irks me is when people are presented with someone who is an exception to the rule and just accuse them of lying.

In terms of dating, what I don't get is when someone has a shitty opinion of a majority of one gender...but they still actively pursue that majority rather than cutting them out and focusing on the minority.

Ambassadior · 2022-06-10T18:34:18+00:00

"Lets never come to conclusions about anything because defining things are toxic"

CyJackX · 2022-06-10T20:50:01+00:00

Most traits exist a long a bell-curve.

Theory and ideology tries to distill it to a probabilistic heuristic.

Misguided people turn it into a binary.

Careless_Emu_2761 · 2022-06-10T21:11:17+00:00

Yes!!!!!!! Finally, someone says it!!!!! Cheers 🍻

Assholewithagame · 2022-06-10T18:05:03+00:00

Tell me you have low IQ without telling me you have low IQ.

smallstarseeker · 2022-06-10T19:24:16+00:00

On average men are taller then women.

Does this generalization hurt your feelings?

Do you think this generalization was based on some ideology?

Do you think we should add backgrounds/experiences of 8 billion people to this generalization in order to respect everyone's individuality?

Should we add distributions of male and female heights in order to make it super apparent to people who are too lazy to learn how statistic works that this doesn't mean that all men are taller then all women?

PMmeareasontolive · 2022-06-11T14:46:55+00:00

You just generalized about this population.

SmakeTalk · 2022-06-10T18:05:04+00:00

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CurrycelNumeroUno · 2022-06-10T20:19:12+00:00

in a world of 8 billion people Kek

ZodiacBrave98 · 2022-06-10T20:37:41+00:00

Almost all men are stronger than almost all women.

JustALotOfLetters · 2022-06-10T21:03:08+00:00

I think I read that 80% of all dog attacks are by pitbulls. There is a commonality in distinctions that may contribute to similar outcomes.

Careless_Emu_2761 · 2022-06-10T21:23:10+00:00

I think Psychology is mostly BS labelled as science. I’m guessing you’d make for a good engineer.

The mind is complex.

HighestTierMaslow · 2022-06-11T04:03:51+00:00

I admit i use reddit for entertainment

HazyMemory7 · 2022-06-11T05:38:13+00:00

Trends within genders, races, any demographic ect... exist

WilliamWyattD · 2022-06-11T10:57:31+00:00

We would literally still be living in caves if everyone thought this way.

RinoaRita · 2022-06-11T13:48:47+00:00

There’s a big difference between judging individuals vs judging trends. It’s king of like bmi. Sure it’s not the best indicator of health for a doctor to do a personal evaluation of one patient. But when someone in the health care industry is making public health choices knowing the gen pop’s bmi helps to see a snap shot of that town/state /country etc.

Look at bmi is America vs Japan. Is it fair to say all Americans are fatasses and all Japanese are healthy? No. But it’s still an indicator.

And similarly you can use certain indicators to make big sweeping trends in gender. But using that at the personal level when dating one particular person is dumb as saying oh you’re American so you’re obese or oh your Japanese so you’re a healthy weight.

sarkington · 2022-06-11T15:47:42+00:00

Counterpoint: they don’t want to be right

Worldly_Piano9526 · 2022-06-11T16:46:18+00:00

I don't agree.

There are useful things that we can say about populations of people that are not from personal experience but from statistical data. In fact, we cannot do modern medicine or psychology without generalizations. They are necessary to the scientific method and the functioning of society.

I'm also not sure where the idea that generalizations are necessarily meant to change anything outside of the people looking to change is coming from. The generalizations that are used in Red Pill at least are just meant to spread awareness and help men protect themselves from other people (not just women) who, in general, behave selfishly, because why should we expect anything different from humans, the most dangerous animals on the planet?

There is nothing wrong with generalizations when they are supported by data and considered with the proper weight. Saying "all generalizations are bad" because some people overuse or do not consider them with the proper weight is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Anyone who actually believes this, respectfully; doesn't belong in any serious field or position of power and authority because they are incapable of generalizing and thinking about people in terms of what is best for the population as a whole based on the preferences of the majority. We need people who can generalize in order to function.

Huldakurka · 2022-06-11T18:12:24+00:00

Actuall it makes sense, since women and men have different biology, they have different attributes and tendencies. And some of them are statistically proven. So it’s ok to generalise. If you don’t like it, that’s your problem, not mine. If men are more likely to commit a crime, it doesn’t mean you as a man will commit a crime, so you shouldn’t be really offended, facts are facts.

lllilliilllill · 2022-06-12T12:17:37+00:00

no, people all share almost all genetic information. People and especially genetically definable groups of people, like genders, can easily be generalized because they have identical genetic information that they only share with that group.

You cant pull the individualism card here, that doesnt overwrite common genes. male and female behavior is predictable and experiences are generally share, if it wasn’t nobody could relate with anyone but we all do.

Its just a way to avoid accountability. we all have biological impulses that define us that are 99.9percent identical. how they are handled can differ, but we are still largely the same because we have the same genes.

Fit-Faithlessness149 · 2022-06-10T23:45:58+00:00

Well now you're generalizing people who generalize genders.

Kratom_Dumper · 2022-06-10T23:02:51+00:00

For a lot of things, most women share the same views and thoughts.

For example, most women will find a high status man that is masculine and charismatic to be very attractive.

So nothing wrong to generalize a whole gender.

AtomicMGTOW · 2022-06-11T01:59:23+00:00

This is ridiculous. This is emotional, political and 'compassion' thinking to signal virtue and make believe every single person is a snowflake. It's all ego. No rationality at all.

Men and women have patterns. It's like a constellation, but if you don't connect the dots you won't see it. That's willful ignorance employed as an ego defense mechanism. Admittedly, generalizations are not empirical. Very few things in this world (eg. math) are. Generalizations are not "ALL" - that's black and white thinking. Even when people use the word "most" it's just a short cut instead of having to write a fucking thesis because it wouldn't satisfy the 'snowflake people' anyway. They'd probably say "I'm not going to read your WALL of text".

And isn't it funny how the so-called 'good'/'positive' traits that are assigned (especially to women) are not just accepted by women but enforced WHEN it suits them. Any woman with children believe wholeheartedly that she and women in general are the better, more qualified, and 'required' parent suggesting that men are pretty much always the 'less good' option, less qualified, and disposable and superfluous (being beyond what is required or sufficient.)

But the second someone (like a man) pretty much agrees and has an expectation of women (his wife/partner) that she do the bulk of the child rearing it's MISOGYNY!

This tells me one thing - those people HATE, absolutely hate expectations because with expectations comes responsibility, accountability and reduces unlimited choices.

And then, all you have to do is watch and pretty much 'MOST' women have children and if they separate they want full custody and will fucking say and do ANYTHING to make it happen. It's not about good outcomes for the kids. It's mostly about money and having ALL the control. I'd really like you to show me the woman that goes "nah, the kids would be better with dad, I'm out" under normal circumstances.

What I mean by normal circumstances: When my wife left her matrimonial home, husband and kids, she had terminal cancer. She wasn't going to take the kids, uproot their lives to die a few years later and have the kids go back to dad.

To the extreme there are women that will put a child up for adoption instead of giving the kid to daddy. It's so much fucking spite. This is a was news story on reddit.

If your conclusion was correct I suppose we should just abolish any social or human studies. "Fuck it, we're all the same (muh equality) in completely different ways, I better go study something else"

We clearly see in all kinds of stats that men and women tend to tilt certain ways. The only argument against that is the 'social constructionist' bullshit. Those people are nuts because they think society forms people. It's the other way around. Society is a reflection of it's people unless it's some extreme tyranny like Stalin and Hitler. And those don't last long. We're all pretty fat and comfortable in the west because people were working towards those goals. Most people want electricity and water. Where are the individuals that are like 'nah, fuck all that?" If people were as unique as you think there would be a lot more places without those things.

Why are like 90% of nurses women? Cause someone 'forced' them into it? The stats are in. In the most egalitarian countries the differences between men and women magnify. Given the choice women would prefer to be a nurse than a plumber. And we know are brains are wired differently.

When you see someone say "most" just remember that they are a layman and trying to keep it brief rather than saying "men/women TEND to TILT" in a certain way. There's no reason to go all nuclear on the defense. "NOT ALL" is a shitty argument. It's an 'emotional' argument. It's saying I have to prove it and not just 'on a balance of probabilities' or even 'beyond a reasonable doubt'... it's saying you better prove it 100% and have it peer reviewed (and even then I won't believe you because "I'm not like that").

If person asked you what colour the sky is generally, you're gonna say blue. Same with the fucking ocean. It's not ALWAYS blue. And blue is the 'ideal' probably because a blue sky is a clear one and it's preferable to a grey rainy fucking day and a blue ocean is gorgeous too. The sky may not always be blue, but I've never seen it brown. Besides, the sky isn't blue anyway it's transparent. But we don't fucking say that now do we?

Seems to me that women love to play the "that's NOT me" game instead of telling us what she is. Because telling us what she is would set expectations which lead to responsibility and accountability and sacrifices (choices) and it seems to me that MOST women TEND to fucking HATE that at all ages but mostly when young and full of hope and optimism.

One more thing. When people ask women things like when they're going to have children it's because MOST women will want a child eventually. And when I say MOST I mean almost all. I've looked it up. Can't remember the exact numbers now but you can look it up too - about 17% of women never have children. That means 83% will. And although I think that's a substantial enough number to be called "most", if you look up the stats on women that can't have children because of some physical problem it's like 13%. So maybe there's 4% of women who really really didn't want to have a child, but I suspect that a good portion of those just fucking waited too long and now that they have no choice that turn their "necessity into a virtue" by proclaiming she never wanted to have children and is 'happy' she didn't.

If women were so fucking unique we'd probably see a hell of a lot less than 83% of ABLE women without children. So fuck this stupid idea. And if men/women temperaments were so similar we'd see either less men in prison or more women.

Shit, one more thing... it's these same snowflake people that basically accuse everyone of having 'internal/repressed misogyny' or 'internal/repressed racism'... oh ok, so where's the fucking snowflake argument now? And even if we did have internal/repressed whatever the snowflake argument doesn't seem to recognize that at least most people are capable and willing of repressing it. If we weren't generally capable of repressing those things, there'd be more blatant/overt misogyny/racism.

Title	anyone here that generalizes a gender is wrong
Author	jawnzoo
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Date	June 10, 2022 5:38 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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