Its not That Red pill is "Controlling" or even Wrong. They just want it silenced and snuffed out. as well as unselected men

Mela_ninja · 2026-04-26T12:52:25+00:00

The issue with the red pill is the same as the blue pill. People who want to pigeon hold life into confirming their views and bias. Thats why when you point out things they are against that work they dismiss it as anomalies.

If the message of the red pill was just work on your looks, confidence, put yourself out there and stop putting women on a pedestal they’d receive almost no push back.

The issues are generalizing women to confirm their bias. Stuff like she’ll leave if you show weakness or she’ll leave you for someone better. This doesn’t mean some women won’t do it but rather generalizing women with bad traits.

There’s also conflicting messages like when they tell men to get their money up but then complain about gold diggers. If you use your financial status as a way to attract women, which type of women will you actually attract?

I do agree tellers some uncomfortable truths that need to be acknowledged and some people don’t like it because they think it’s a reflection on women.

If we have more nuance then I think there’d be better discourse.

bluestjuice · 2026-04-26T13:58:49+00:00

You might have a point if you were talking about the broad cultural discussion about dating, but this idea falls apart here within this subreddit. There are plenty of bluepill or -adjacent people here who are perfectly fine having a frank discussion on these topics.

A lot of what you describe is people agreeing with a premise, or part of a premise, but thinking it's overstated or taken to incorrect conclusions. That is a very ordinary part of disagreement.

Gravel_Roads · 2026-04-26T12:55:12+00:00

You’re missing a lot of nuance, and it’s confusing you.

To accurately understand this conversation, you would need to first acknowledge that:

1.) many men call themselves RP, but then make statements that directly contradict RP (ie some say “men don’t have the luxury of being selective!”, which directly contradicts RP’s own “I Am the Prize” as well as “Nexting” and “Abundance Mentality”.)

2.) Because original RP advises AGAINST pointless debate, the loudest voices debating tend to be men who don’t follow RP advice at all.

3.) Blackpill content has shifted the RP narrative from “women and men are equally amoral” to “RP is a men’s rights movement, and women are BAD and selfish and only want Chad! We have to stop them!”

4.) No one wants you “snuffed out”. Assuming that anyone who disagrees with a movement you’re part of is out to GET YOU, personally, is Main Character Syndrome. You aren’t being hurt because everyone is after you. You’re hurt because no one knows you exist at all.

Feeling_Ad_1034 · 2026-04-26T13:02:58+00:00

This is exactly what's wrong with TRP and why I consider myself "purple pill"

RedPill (originally, on reddit anyways) was a sexual strategy designed to help me gain confidence and understand exactly what women were selecting for in order to position themselves as more desirable options. Now-a-days, it's divulged into nonsense rage bait calling out women on their bullshit in the cringiest ways possible and adopting a "woe-is-me" attitude because I'm not 6'4 with a jawline that could cut diamonds.

It's no wonder women hate it, honestly.

KayRay1994 · 2026-04-26T14:35:10+00:00

I mean… when your whole ideology relies on wide generalizations, misinterpreting studies, character judgements taken as fact, claims of the opposite gender’s nature and a push for said opposite gender to be subservient (ya’ll use different words, but it all routes back to this), then yes, your ideology is controlling and even wrong.

TRP pretend to be this big philosophical revelation because it mentions obvious truths, and then builds them to their worst possible logical endpoints. It is a shitty, outright malicious ideology

anewleaf1234 · 2026-04-26T15:42:28+00:00

Funny how you are speaking on a public forum about how silenced you are.

You aren't being silenced. You aren't being snuffed out. You aren't the victim here no matter how you cry out that you are.

Others do get to listen to what you have to say and call you on your bullshit.

Lemon_gecko · 2026-04-26T12:47:02+00:00

Maybe you're confused because you don't realize that language matters and you can frame the same thing differently that will change the perspective? To Illustrate: "attractive people have more options because they are attractive". "women flock only top tier guys and those guys get to take their picks unlike us, normal good guys that women don't choose".

-mixedsignals · 2026-04-26T13:07:13+00:00

Red Pill men have not discovered anything we didn't know already, beauty standards exist.

The problem is the discourse, and TRP men not realizing it's problematic. I don't know if it's some level of autism or lack of socialization. But if you say that all women are after money, monkey branching, only care about looks, etc. It obviously sounds bad and people are going to respond

Which, I suspect, is the intended purpose (accidental for some, on purpose for the ones who are not on the spectrum). If women are angry it confirms TRP is on the right track.

The other day I was talking with a female redpiller here who could explain TRP topics in a non misogynistic way, and of course they make sense. But trp men wouldn't like that, the want the negative response from women.

For the redpillers who are not on the spectrum I see it as a form of provocation. Since women don't pay attention to them in a positive way, might as well insult them to see a response (I suspect many redpillers are here for this reason). And for the ones who are on the spectrum I see it as more confusion with social norms.

I admit there's some topics I don't argue anymore because some of you really live in another plane of reality. Like how can you argue an average couple can't be bonded by genuine love.

These-Purpose-7019 · 2026-04-26T22:26:27+00:00

The pushback against the pills is because it challenges the "if you try you will succeed" mantra that keeps society pushing. Its comforting when we tell ourselves that everyone who wins is a hard worker and everyone who loses just didnt try hard enough or worked smart enough, or anything that dismisses the thought that some people dont even have the prerequisites to even play this game.

Similar to homelessness. Everyone whos not, works hard, those who are, are all drug addicted bums who arent working hard enough.

Content_Concert_2555 · 2026-04-26T15:09:51+00:00

People are sick of the red pill because they’re sick of god damned chuds and manosphere bros.

Outside_Memory5703 · 2026-04-26T15:39:23+00:00

It’s not surprising or illogical that women don’t like being thought of and treated like adversaries and obstacles to pussy and power

And red pill is definitely manipulative, and therefore controlling

Solondthewookiee · 2026-04-26T12:57:51+00:00

No, it's definitely wrong in addition to being misogynistic and misandric.

you don’t need to police who talks about it

Uhhh who is "policing" red pill discussion? Who is stopping red pillers from exercising their free speech?

jorts-enthusiast · 2026-04-26T15:39:39+00:00

Because RP is almost never presented in a neutral way by neutral people. Most of the RP interactions I’ve had have been loaded with insults, involved generalizing women, and hinted at thinking dating solutions should border on violating people’s ability to consent. Which reveals the truth about RP, which is that it’s not neutral or objective, it’s an ideology that bitter people turn to despite the fact that everyone else is dating and living their lives just fine without it. People don’t like hearing about it because it’s almost never presented in a genuine way.

ThatBitchA · 2026-04-26T14:09:49+00:00

RP is so dumb. Because they act like they are discovering some unknown concept.

They haven't discovered anything. All they do is a dramatic retelling and act as if it's the worse thing ever.

Idk why y'all are surprised that women want to date men they are aattracted to who bring value to their life.

Why do y'all expect women to date men they aren't attracted to and don't bring anything to their life?

What exactly is so shocking about a woman wanting a man who she is attracted to, is employed, and has interests and passions?

RP isn't exposing anything other than men's own insecurities.

Kreeps_United · 2026-04-26T19:53:56+00:00

Who is "they"? Most normal men think redpillers are cringe.

-Shes-A-Carnival · 2026-04-26T13:04:51+00:00

what you are stating is Black Pill, not Red Pill. the objections to red pill stem from game and PUA techniques

Lenovo_Driver · 2026-04-26T18:04:16+00:00

They're also known for being racist and bigoted as fuck.

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Bitter_Emu6366 · 2026-04-27T20:39:31+00:00

only male anti social use of social media and technology is openly criticised in the west, in China they are cracking down on micro dramas where rich CEOs fall in love with working class women cos it fosters delusion.

TheGuyDean · 2026-04-29T07:28:51+00:00

That framing goes too far. The pushback is not just about “silencing” or wanting men to disappear. A lot of it is about how the ideas are packaged and what they sound like they lead to. When it turns into sweeping claims or sounds like a fixed explanation for everything, people push back because it can come off as dismissive or one-sided.

At the same time, there is a real point underneath it. Traits like looks, status, and confidence do influence outcomes, and the same behavior can be judged differently depending on the person. That part is not controversial once it is discussed clearly.

Where it breaks down is turning that into “people don’t want this talked about at all.” People do talk about it, just usually in a more balanced way that leaves room for other factors and avoids treating it like a closed system. The reaction is less about the reality itself and more about the framing and conclusions being drawn from it.

Afraid_Fondant_7903 · 2026-04-26T15:33:15+00:00

the only issue with red pill is when it’s paired with misogyny

throwaway73737828 · 2026-04-26T12:44:16+00:00

Because redpill is men winning. If all men wins all women loses. They have a hubris in society where women want their secrets kept to make the beta males believe all women are pure, thus women win in the end. But slowly this hubris is shifting, where men dont believe in female bullshit anymore. There are still men who believes women like kind men, because a female said so. But yeah, women dont want men to win in general because they will lose all of their power.

love_to_love_you_ · 2026-04-26T14:37:01+00:00

It's the whining that bothers. Yeah, I'm 5'10", not 6'4", so I won't get that initial, unearned selection. I can cry, or i can work on what I can improve. Most whiners do nothing about their flirting skills.

The internet has great videos, Dan Bacon and the like, who can coach the average guy to be much more capable talking to women he finds attractive. The early pick up artist community developed real knowledge about flirting and attraction. They burned their public reputation by marketing to clueless guys how they could use their wizardry to get helpless women to do things they didn't want to do. The PUA methods never worked by turning targets into zombies complying with the PUA's every wish, but implying they would helped sell packages. And that became the public image.

Learn some flirting, and you'll get to talk to women long enough they can appreciate who you really are. If you're a decent, fair, honest, loyal, reasonable provider who wants a partner to build a family, you can be 5'3" with a face like a clenched fist and women will see that. If she finds the real you, and that's a whiner who blames all his troubles on someone else, she'll see that too.

bison5595 · 2026-04-26T18:13:22+00:00

You don’t even need to listen to manosphere podcast. Just go on tik tok, twitter or instagram and just watch women post their videos. They are constantly confirming red pill talking points. The red pill won’t die just on the strength of women needing to tell everyone about her loser ex who cheated on her but still had 3 kids with. Or women making videos talking about marrying the nice guy after a string of toxic exes.

caubelangthang245 · 2026-04-26T12:53:09+00:00

Google Carl Jung's shadow

Tess27795 · 2026-04-26T20:49:08+00:00

Ok, in general women want men that will make good sires for their children. They want good looks, good brains and if they have resources and would stick around that would be ideal.

It is not new. We are not evil. We are just trying to do the best for our future children. We are improving the human race by doing this.

The rest of the garbage, like woman do not care about men and single mothers are horrible, etc.

So the TRP twists things. We are not meant to be subservient; we are not less than men. Finding a good father for your children is not easy if that is what you are about.

Title	Its not That Red pill is "Controlling" or even Wrong. They just want it silenced and snuffed out. as well as unselected men
Author	Low-Contact6500
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Date	April 26, 2026 12:39 PM UTC (3 months ago)
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