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great_account · 2022-06-21T22:08:56+00:00

What ethnicity are you OP?

foghatyma · 2022-06-21T23:28:44+00:00

I don't know about America, but in Europe calling a girl whom you've just met "babe" sounds very disrespectful. I'm actually baffled that in the US some girls react to that positively.

politits · 2022-06-21T21:55:11+00:00

It’s cultural. They prefer subtlety to being super direct.

th4tkidfig · 2022-06-21T22:22:58+00:00

every guy has a "tribe" to which they belong to. Rom wills talks about this a lot. Maybe your "tribe" is black and Latinas

Electric_kundalini · 2022-06-21T21:11:55+00:00

I'm white so maybe I'm just accustomed to it but I don't find White Women to be difficult. Yeah Black Women and Latino Women are more openly sexual, but with white Women it's more of a flirtatious dance.

Storm-Of-Aeons · 2022-06-21T19:06:55+00:00

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cronasminate · 2022-06-21T23:18:37+00:00

As someone who always seem to end up with the typical skinny tall attractive blonde/redhead white chick, the trick is to not chase after them. White girls tends to be overrated and over-chased. The more you seem like the typical thirsty guy with a fetish towards white women, the more they'll just lose interest.

Latina's I've laid but I think they want me to be way more aggressive and less sensitive to potential rejections which is not really how I roll. If they play hard to get I just move on.

TripleBplus21 · 2022-06-22T01:21:25+00:00

Always be respectfully honest and forward with your intentions with women, that being said it is a cultural thing. Majority of Black and Hispanic women respond positively to a direct approach. Majority of White women respond more positively to an indirect-direct approach; for a majority of American White women it seems more brutish or uncouth to be directly-upfront with your intentions. American White Women are also very entitled as not only do American White Men prefer them but other races have also put them on a pedestal some even above their own women due to American White women’s socio-economic status.

However, the cultural differences in dating are the same with their response to conflict for both sexes of the respective races. Majority of American Black and Hispanic people are more assertive in dealing with conflict wanting to directly confront and resolve the problem. I.e. having no problem calling someone out on their bullshit directly to them or addressing problematic behavior. If they hate someone or their behavior they would often choose to have limited interactions with said person or keep things cordial at minimum; won’t be your friend but won’t antagonize you either.

Meanwhile a majority of American White people are more indirect with their responses to conflict are more roundabout. They could hate someone or think they’re behavior is problematic but would still act very friendly with them and just talk shit behind their backs, or conversely plan against them behind closed doors instead of actually addressing the problem. This way of dealing with conflict gets worse the higher up they are in wealth.

This is only my perspective from my Experience interacting with both groups during college but I sincerely believe this to be true. I’ve seen how these different races deal with conflict or problematic people multiple times.

MattPruga · 2022-06-21T22:11:03+00:00

It highly depends on where you are from and the type of culture. For example, US girls are generally all (hispanics and blacks even more) very responsive to sex, very liberal, much less likely to be slut shamed compared to European countries. I'm from Eastern Europe, our girls are the exact opposite, 95% of them have a reputation to hold, they are afraid of being called sluts, that means they reject everyone, even if you came up to them to talk casually. I met a few Italian girls in my life and they are all so much more liberal, they can talk about sexual stuff almost immediately, are very responsive to flirting, etc... That's a big cultural difference.

callmeseetea · 2022-06-21T23:22:11+00:00

If a man I’d never met and approached me and instantly started calling me “baby” or babygirl while chatting me up, I’d feel super disrespected.

Def a culture thing. Catholic guilt made me prudish early on. You gotta earn your way to being more forward with me. I guess what you mentioned about “levers” kind of checks out

2022-06-21T23:07:55+00:00

If you think that just go to Key west or Cancun during spring break. Quite the opposite actually

Skizznitt · 2022-06-21T20:45:37+00:00

It's kind of a culture thing, typically black and hispanic women are more in tune with their sexual sides, less prudish. You also get similar treatment from white women in most of the Scandinavian countries and places like italy and spain too, they're much more openly sexual than white women in the US.

Bkb1997 · 2022-06-21T18:50:57+00:00

Leaving this comment so I could come Back

5_7pickup · 2022-06-21T23:15:25+00:00

White girls are the hardest to get and the least worth the effort.

GlitteringPause8 · 2022-06-21T22:46:29+00:00

I’ve heard the opposite from my guy friends. That white girls are the easiest to talk to and escalate things with in that sense.

And the ones that say that are shorter (under 5’9) POC guys so idk.

wj2smooth · 2022-06-21T20:02:40+00:00

If I'm being 100% honest. Black and Hispanic don't care about being slut shame as much as whites and generally care less about being PC. So they are more upfront

Jumpingonair · 2022-06-22T00:16:20+00:00

Hey, so. Girl here. Peeked your Instagram, just a casual glance. It’s a cultural difference. Your look is urban, the aesthetic a little “out there” and not clean cut. It doesn’t give off middle class vibes. Most white women, even if they don’t come from a middle class home are attracted to that look. If you are a man of color, aren’t rich or have no clout and aren’t clean cut and are trying to pull white women…. The odds are against you. Easy as that.

You’re whole look is rooted in African American culture. So no wonder it resonates with black women more lmao

NerfThisNerd · 2022-06-22T02:36:56+00:00

Reading these comments…yikes

geardluffy · 2022-06-21T22:36:32+00:00

So, I’m a white (28M) exercise 5 times per week, have a stable career, college degree, etc. and I can’t stand white women.

I straight up refuse to even entertain white women. Like you said man, idk what it is, but they are just bitchy, entitled and provide very little value to relationships.

Dramatic-Ad7687 · 2022-06-21T20:10:20+00:00

The same thing happens to me, a white man. I think they’re just very entitled because they’re portrayed as “attractive” in popular culture I guess, and have the highest rates of “feminism” of any group of women

2022-06-21T23:42:47+00:00

By "escalate" - do you mean that the consent to have sex with you? It doesn't sound like you're talking about relationships. It sounds like you're talking about sex and you're disappointed that you can't collect a bunch of white girls to add to your body count.

Glacier_Sama · 2022-06-22T00:09:03+00:00

Never had a problem getting with white girls, if you want to escalate quickly, the important thing is that they are sexually attracted to you. All girls move fast when their pussy is wet.

Ok_Razzmatazz_1751 · 2022-06-22T00:25:46+00:00

That babe talk is cringe especially from some rando guy. To me it screams lack of respect , and individuality. Bet you have called every woman you know babe . Per this White woman

2022-06-22T02:06:08+00:00

This is cultural. I’m white but grew up with a lot of Hispanic friends in Arizona and later moved to Utah. The women in the two states are night and day. I like the escalation and I appreciate when men are direct but not forceful. Women in Utah are afraid of men, they are very proper and won’t talk to them or try to “help” them if they like them. Women in Arizona are more fun and down to earth. No offense to anyone living in Utah, but just the majority of what I saw, it was completely cultural.

saryiahan · 2022-06-21T21:30:07+00:00

American woman in general have a superiority complex. It’s usually all about them. My current gf is a foreigner and the difference is amazing. I’ll never go back to being with an American woman

gmilfmoneymilk · 2022-06-22T00:18:34+00:00

Latina here. White guys and girls are all like this. It's a cultural thing. They think they're high value or some shit.

greenlight144000 · 2022-06-21T23:15:52+00:00

Probably because white women are more “westernized” and have higher standards

SunDevilElite42 · 2022-06-21T23:58:48+00:00

Something happened, I don’t know what it was but white girls got super stuck up and entitled in the last few years. I can approach black, Latina, and Asians all day and have great interactions, but approaching attractive white girls is almost a guarantee spicy interaction. A lot of em talk shit about the guys they’re seeing too… By the way I’m a fit 6’1 white guy.

wj2smooth · 2022-06-21T21:19:36+00:00

> its the same result even when i try it with average to below average looking chubby white women.

This is a mystery for me that I don't think I will ever get a resolution. Avg or fat white women have the worst personality. In my culture avg/fat women usually have the best personality. Which makes sense, because what you lack in looks you make up in personality. But avg/fat white women more often than not have worse personality than hotter ones. Lord knows why.

Ill_Ninja1919 · 2022-06-22T01:10:11+00:00

It doesn’t matter the race of the girl. Every girl has their own standards. I feel you have trained yourself to believe white girls are harder to get.

Hortos · 2022-06-21T23:44:06+00:00

I'll explain this super easily. White women when they go outside their race are going for a come up. If they don't perceive that you're wealthy enough to bother going against racism they won't really be into it. Most white women won't date a non-white guy that they think HAS not Makes less money than their father full stop.

Afletch331 · 2022-06-21T23:57:24+00:00

This may be a bad take but I feel like white women always have some situationship/ex that you’ll always be second to… so like if you went up to her at a party she’d politely turn you down and then check her phone to see the guy still has her on delivered for 6 hours

I think other races tend to play the field a bit more and give more people chances overall… idk, I think white girls are just as forward when they are looking but also tend to cling to one person for longer

bandsupjay · 2022-06-21T23:36:00+00:00

Different self esteems, different cultures

luhvxr · 2022-06-22T00:06:25+00:00

i think it is more of a cultural thing. i’ve had friends from different countries say that americans are weird in that we’re not very touchy because i guess american society sexualizes any kind of touching. it’s very weird honestly

tmvrk · 2022-06-22T00:43:49+00:00

You can be interested in someone without coming on strong about it and using pet names from the start.

It sounds like you're dating very casually and not every woman is willing to be your next trophy.

Sandvicheater · 2022-06-22T01:01:56+00:00

The reason is 2 fold. 1: Studies have shown among women, White women has the LOWEST % of interracial relationship (dating & marriage). 2: In terms of beauty in the western world, White women is seen on top of pretty category (look at all the TV, movies, fashion shows, etc white girls majority of the time get top billing)

So you got a case of high demand and low supply which results higher "barrier to entry" for white women. Just because your Black, Asian, Latino, blue, green, purple, etc doesn't mean you're screwed out of getting with a white women. It just that you have to work harder vs pursing women of minorities.

I'm sure there's anecdotical experiences of various ethnic men here saying they're banging white chicks daily on a consistent basis. But I'm just speaking from a macro economic perspective here.

MrSlippery92 · 2022-06-22T01:02:49+00:00

Mostly has to do with OP being non-white & short. White women are also least likely to marry & date out of their race:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/06/12/interracial-marriage-who-is-marrying-out/

https://youtu.be/gWD9n1cyeQU

https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/raceandattraction20092014.html

https://youtu.be/420LtdfGSt8

rienjabura · 2022-06-22T03:17:47+00:00

Go to an anime convention or something, OP, you will find the White girls that want you.

poly_nerdy_panda · 2022-06-22T03:18:32+00:00

Yes,yes,yes Asian guys clean up on the darker girls I've seen it time and time again.. but strike out on white girls.

I'm Latino and in general, African American women love me way more than any other race or they are at least way more vocal about it. Maybe it's a cultural thing idk.

I think that's the key, the Latina and African American women are way more predisposed to getting hit on in a forward manner. "hey baby/mommy let me take you out on a date" the stereotype machismo or the player so when they meet a normal guy or whatever they think is normal they want to hold on to you and make you wife up lol

MinnNOLA · 2022-06-22T03:36:53+00:00

Speaking as a white woman, it is an immediate red flag if anyone I don't know refers to me as "baby", "babe, "babygirl," or anything else along those lines. It comes across as condescending and disrespectful.

You call them "unncessary boundaries", but to me they are very necessary to weed out the creeps and assholes. The boundaries are about establishing a basic level of respect for me as a person and not a potential notch on someone's bedpost.

luhvxr · 2022-06-21T23:02:38+00:00

I feel like white girls are exactly as easy to escalate with than other races, might be something in your head cuz it’s literally exactly the same if not easier

2022-06-21T23:30:02+00:00

Because cultures generally are race related, maybe its not that race is the difference, but the culture of white girls your dating is different then that of the other women?

lpinkc · 2022-06-22T00:13:49+00:00

Just here for the comments.

cormacru999 · 2022-06-22T01:36:09+00:00

Wow. Just wow. First, there are certainly some similarities & differences between the "races." Certainly white people are often raised differently, they have different access to things, different levels of support, as well as less of those things, depending on what we're talking about. Everyone should understand by now that white men don't get the same treatment from cops as black men, & that institutional racism is a real thing & that touches most black people, as well as other People of Color. There are data sets we can look at as well, which was just highlighted in the Gabby Petito case, where a young white girl gone missing was seen by the entire nation, but Native American girls vanish in the hundreds every year & get no attention in media or by anyone outside the Reservation or community.

We can apply certain stereotypes as well, like how people in the south of America treat hospitality, or how Italian grandmothers always seem to love to feed everyone they meet as the matriarchs of their extended family. And of course we all hear some of those that are negative, like suggesting all black people eat certain foods being a part of that racism, or that Irish men are all drunks. And I'm not going to debate any of this so unless you're talking to each other, there's no point in trying to argue with me.

But its also true that everyone is an individual & while there are "themes" lets say that we can recognize & understand, to suggest that because you've been successful with a few black women or a few Latino women, but not with some white women, & that must therefore be the catch all for all black women & all Latino women & all white women, is kind of extraordinary dumb. Most of what you've shared her reveals some inherent racism you've picked up but is also shows a high amount of disregard for women as people & quite a bit of sexism. The way you talk about women, the way you see women, the fact that you want sex but don't really see them as authentic people that should be treated well, will play a large role in your interactions.

And it should be said that I think you are looking for targets, not people, & I think you've experienced some "success" based on your outlook, in the same way that some men will look to date teenage girls because they know what sort of issues those girls might have, absent father, or abusive mother, she's been sexualized by the culture as a girl, she wants love like everyone but because of the culture she thinks her entire worth is in her appearance, so she dresses in a way that gets attention because its the only path she thinks exists to find affection & care, but many men figure that out & then target them.

I could understand even that you may not be thinking & plotting this out maliciously, but men get lessons from culture too & you've gotten good at targeting some black & Latino women, treating them a certain way & getting sex but you're confused why that's not working on more white women. And sure, there are factors in there, some sexist, some racist, some inherent things we all get raised with in our small subcultures. But I think you'll find soon if not already that your behavior may get you laid & I have no idea what your "success" look like (how many different women in what stretch of time) but as the culture continues to change, women will continue to stand up for themselves, take less & less of this behavior & you'll be middle aged & single & can't figure out why.

I'll point out that even in your own description of who you are & what you look like, you use the trope that Asians are nerdy (as if Asian only means Chinese or Japanese)& rather than show a pic of yourself, you choose some other dude, all just add to my suspicions about your actions, behavior & beliefs.

HaikusfromBuddha · 2022-06-22T02:58:13+00:00

As a Hispanic person, I feel it’s a cultural issue. Americans, not just white, tend to be closed off from others. Y’all draw lines and tend to get upset at where your property line ends.

Hispanic people tend to not care and go out of there way to talk to their neighbors, help strangers in need like if you have a flat tire, and just like excitement.

If there’s one thing Hispanic people in GENERAL tend to like it’s partying and excitement allegria.

So they are more responsive to people white people tend to hold their personal space dearly.

Yellow_Squeezer · 2022-06-21T22:05:29+00:00

I don't think white girls are more difficult, you're just not used to them. You should have written, "Why are white girls so difficult to escalate with FOR ME?"

I'm white and have dated white women. I'm used to all the little levers you have to balance in order to get a white girl. It is a quite complicated and delicate process, but I got used to it.

Your post motivated me to try and approach Latin girls more and see for myself.

SpartacusLaw · 2022-06-21T21:36:52+00:00

I feel the exact opposite. In fact, many black women are after money and that's it. White chick's are pretty cool and direct most of the time, there are always exceptions.

rhofire · 2022-06-21T21:29:41+00:00

it's like there is this barrier that they put up between us. Is this a cultural thing? do white women just prefer to take it slow and put up more hurdles for men in general?

No, it's you. You have this belief and so you act differently around white women. In my experience, women are women, regardless of the culture. Sure, there may be differences in public but once you get to the bedroom, it comes down to you being a man and her being a woman.

Total_Obligation_371 · 2022-06-21T23:58:17+00:00

I'm white, good looking, and I'm in at least top 5% physique, and white women annoy the s*** out of me. Yes they put up those extra barriers with everyone. Only like 20% of the girls I hook up with are white.

LeaderOfWolves · 2022-06-22T00:07:58+00:00

Well maybe you're the one coming off self entitled.. Ever think of that? Latina & black women are more used to this kind of behavior from men within their ethnicity... Just listen to the music. Maybe white women have higher values? All generally speaking of course there are always exceptions.. There are also many bitchy white women yes & then again black women can be flat out crazy lol loud & obnoxious & some have told me they only date white men (I'm a white boy) Latina women are pretty cool.. I've enjoyed them the most. Asian women seem really tight knit/cliquey so not much luck with them..

LindaTica · 2022-06-22T00:34:55+00:00

And what color are you?

2022-06-22T02:45:39+00:00

Yo all these other comments are saying it’s your ethnicity and height and shit, but that’s cap. White girls come from a different background, most of the time more privileged than black and latinas.

That being said, there are definitely different approaches to escalating things with white girls because of socioeconomic factors, as well as cultural beliefs.

Not trying to be racist at all, but stating the facts.

Ok-Swordfish-3208 · 2022-06-21T23:07:57+00:00

Honestly I think that’s a great thing for them, it really depends on their upbringing and I don’t blame them for being very selective as they are or have been taught. I think black and Hispanic ladies dont come from backgrounds of means or resources and will go with any man that seems to have status/ looks/potential etc. I don’t think it’s fair of you to try to group women of different racist into some type of general category because that’s bullshit.

Imaginary-Chipmunk35 · 2022-06-21T21:30:09+00:00

I feel the same

cormacru999 · 2022-06-22T01:52:08+00:00

This is why I always take a look at other posts from people - this same man, who is 27, argued with someone who researches data about erectile dysfunction, that data doesn't mean anything if its not a scientific debate -

And I quote: "not everything has to be scientifically peer reviewed, especially when it comes to things like sex, the topics get a little touchy and most people are not going to share their sex lives with their doctors or a random scientist.
I will tell you my personal experience, I've been masturbating 3 - 5 times a day to porn since i was 12. i am 27 right now. Each time i tried to have real sexual intercourse my dick would never stay erect for more than 20 seconds.
Then during 2019, i went back to China to visit my grandparents for 3 weeks. During those 3 weeks, i had no access to the internet and did not masturbate at all. That was the first time since i was 12 years old that i didn't masturbate. Anyways, when i returned to the U.S after 3 weeks, i went to have sex. And like a miracle, my dick was able to stay erect effortlessly for the whole 45 minutes of sex for the first time ever in my life. And for the first time ever i was able to cum from sexual intercourse..
After i was back in the states for 2 weeks, i started masturbating and watching porn again. back to my usual routine. Then i went to have sex again and my dick couldn't stay erect during intercourse again. So that proves to me that masturbation was what caused my ED during all those years. Keep in mind, I'm in good shape and have never been overweight or obese in my life.
So nowadays i still masturbate to porn since its hard to quit but my solution was to just get some cialis from the doctor and i use that everytime before i have sex. if i didn't masturbate i wouldn't need the cialis"

So much masturbating for a guy who is great at dating women...

EnvironmentOptimal61 · 2022-06-21T22:16:16+00:00

I’ve had white girls blow me kisses, waive, smile on the freeway but when I’m in my supercar(s). Maybe that helps. I’m in LA.

Aabbppll · 2022-06-22T00:05:32+00:00

Education

2022-06-22T01:09:30+00:00

Literally all my girls been white and I’m Hispanic. Just get good bro.

Dangerous-Court7183 · 2022-06-22T02:43:14+00:00

Because they are high value women? Dah. Everyone wants a white woman. Show that you don’t care about her and she will love you.

BreakDance4cash · 2022-06-22T02:56:43+00:00

Not to be racist or anything, but Asain people :D SKKKKKKAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!! godzilla noise

Kopfquake · 2022-06-23T09:06:56+00:00

Literally you're wrong. In general women are harder to attract than males. Maybe you should try the white man.

quadfintryfin · 2022-06-22T00:43:06+00:00

White guy here

In my experience white women are not into white men. They want something exotic and different than what they’ve been accustomed to.

MetaphysicPhilosophy · 2022-06-22T01:02:36+00:00

It’s cause they are entitled

IMOMJ · 2022-06-22T00:42:19+00:00

Nobody is ever good enough for the White, Westernized Feminist Women.

2022-06-22T00:09:56+00:00

What’s your race op?

Special-Friend2106 · 2022-06-22T01:01:54+00:00

Omg Ive been going through exactly this. But with white males. I’m female, Hispanic and Asian.

FIVE_6_MAFIA · 2022-06-22T01:39:20+00:00

It's a cultural thing

CocoBabeNYC · 2022-06-22T02:00:48+00:00

I saw a sexy baby (https://youtu.be/Nm-ZF9AfN40) with a short Asian dude yesterday in Brooklyn.

ShinzoBinzo · 2022-06-22T16:17:20+00:00

Just curious - what kind of white women are you looking for? Because if you are looking for white women who are into hiphop you are competing with black men (and most likely that is what they have their eyes set on)

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