Is there any research on girls and bad boys?

Freelovehighway · 2022-04-16T13:25:02+00:00

Girls, all girls love extroversion. There might be some girls who over time become annoyed by extroverts or discover that it's not all it's cracked up to be but the natural inclination is for women to gravitate towards extroverted people. It makes sense but why did evolution have it that men developed introversion if it is so destructive to their mating strategy?

platinirisms · 2022-04-16T13:35:15+00:00

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/head-games/201310/why-do-women-fall-bad-boys

Carter and his colleagues offer two possible explanations. First, sexual selection might be at work. This would mean that women are responding to signals of “male quality” when it comes to reproduction. And with respect to short-term mating, women may be drawn to "bad boys," who demonstrate confidence, stubbornness, and risk-taking tendencies. Second, sexual conflict may be at play. The investigators state that “Women may be responding to DT men’s ability to ‘sell themselves’; a useful tactic in a co-evolutionary ‘arms race’ in which men convince women to pursue the former’s preferred sexual strategy.”

Another: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-019-0262-5

Although non-violent boys are highly preferred to those with a violent profile, we observed that boys with violent attitudes and behaviours are mostly preferred for hooking up, and boys with non-violent traits are mostly preferred for stable relationships.

Aka: Being a bad boy works amazing for casual hookups/short term relationships, but fall off when women want something more serious.

YoungArabBrother · 2022-04-16T14:58:48+00:00

I've always thought a big reason why the numbers are skewed for "bad boys" having more casual sex is because of the lifestyle difference. I knew plenty of "bad boys" and they just happened to be the ones that were the most social, the most carefree, the most confident, and the most "available". I'm mainly thinking back in senior highschool and shit because my college dynamics don't seem to follow the typical stereotypes mainly cuz of my area demographic.

Anyways, when you're the type of guy who frequently parties, is frequently around a bunch of easily as "bad" girls, of course casual sex comes a lot easier than for the straight-laced kid that stays home and studies.

My bf was a big partier in highschool and was drinking and getting high every weekend at house parties. He's told me that back then he probably could have easily fucked any of the girls at those parties. He'd made out with a few of them and some had even asked to do it with him but he turned them down. This wasn't cuz he was a bad boy that they all wanted to fuck him, it's cuz they were all partying together and the opportunity was there.

Ik you've wanted studies, and I've seen some people have submitted them. I just think a big reason why the numbers favour bad boys often has more to do with the kinds of situations they put themselves in and the type of women they surround themselves with, rather than that all women just love bad boys. Even if a "bad boy" has a high body count, a lot of those girls he fucked were probably fucking every other bad boy they could.

3spleenqueen · 2022-04-16T17:25:02+00:00

I feel like anyone who is doing drugs is going to be around other people doing drugs, engaging in other types of reckless behavior as well like sex. So part of it might be that “bad” boys are surrounding themselves with “bad” girls, and they’re all doin a bunch of reckless stuff.

neetykeeno · 2022-04-16T17:15:08+00:00

All men... including bad boys, good boys and pointless insipid boys with no personality to speak of spend the majority of their time and energy looking at those girls who seem more sexually available in general. Those girls favor speed in hooking up and men who are willing and able to move quickly. And that's going to overwhelmingly be bad boys who dont worry about problems and messiness.

The girls who are your speed are not at the places you go to drool over sluts.

If you were looking at girls who are more equivalent to you, measured as percentiles of their gender, in terms of concern about adverse consequences of swiftly moving to sexual intercourse, then you would see a different picture.

One might easily ask...why do timid cautious men hyperfixate on and expect success with sluts who are moving at several times their speed in environments in which faster men are present? She's found someone willing to stick a dick up her before you have overcome your approach anxiety. Of course if you stand uncomfortably in the corner of a nightclub watching the bar you will see girl after girl in tight dress and heels.go home with high energy low conscience strangers who are very practiced at quick effective approach without second guessing the situation.

Yes easy women are easy...but...they aren't going to be easier for you because you are slow and difficult. They especially aren't going to be easy in environments.in which faster men abound.

If you think girls go for bad guys all the time move your arse to places with just as many girls but fewer bad guys. The places cautious girls go to avoid random approach from asshole guys.

LotBuilder · 2022-04-16T16:44:16+00:00

When you participate in reckless and impulsive behavior you are around more people that participate in reckless and impulsive behavior. A normal square dude doesn’t trigger those feelings.

MrOnyun · 2022-04-16T14:29:22+00:00

I remember reading a study I cant find at the moment that said most guys with felonies had a higher notch count then guys with no felonies

drkinferno72 · 2022-04-16T18:05:36+00:00

As the song goes, girls just want to have fun

PassMyGuard · 2022-04-16T17:45:42+00:00

Somebody who is an evolutionary biologist would tell you it’s not bad boys specifically…it’s certain traits that they’re more likely to possess.

Standing up for yourself, maintaining and enforcing boundaries, willingness to pursue things he wants in life, decisiveness. All of these things essentially trigger the primal brain’s need for a protector.

You can possess these traits without being a “bad boy”. You can be a total geek and still possess these traits.

TRP is created under the idea that you have to be this badass, don’t take shit from nobody, “alpha” dude to get women. It’s because they see these guys pulling lays but don’t truly understand why women like them.

AssOfTheSameOldMule · 2022-04-16T14:24:31+00:00

Nothing makes a woman feel safer than being in the presence of a fearless man. It’s an understatement to call it the absolute pinnacle. There are different flavors of fearless men. “Bad boys” are one flavor.

WestsideMoonWalker · 2022-04-16T15:23:36+00:00

This depends on your definition of "bad", but I'd say in general, if "bad" is addicts, people dealing hard drugs, felons, school dropouts, gang members, or whatever else, I want nothing to do with the women that associate with them either.

If "bad" is a slightly socially uninhibited guy in a frat, or someone who parties a good bit.... I'd ask why that is considered "bad" to you. The definition of "bad" seems to be a moving target here.

From what I've seen, the people who get around most have social proximity to other people who live that lifestyle. I've spent enough time with like, musicians and whatnot in college and I'd hardly categorize them as bad or anything, and they loved to party. Ergo, they met women who often liked to party. Etc.

blamesway1738 · 2022-04-16T13:33:07+00:00

I mean, at my college those frat guys you are describing were the ones with rich parents who got them good jobs after school. Women went for them because they had money and social capital.

The bad boys were more like the dealer townies. College women most definitely did not go for them. Hence the term “townie.”

2022-04-16T17:28:46+00:00

Can confirm I was a bad boy that got passed around a female friend group with zero effort on my part.

briiiana1122 · 2022-04-16T14:55:09+00:00

Talking about college is a pretty small part of life, but ya people who do a lot of drugs tend to also have sex with one and other. This isn’t exactly breaking news.

TheJim66 · 2022-04-16T13:43:22+00:00

A lot actually

It's a result of how women evolved. In our evolutionary past, the highest value man was someone that treated her like shit because he could replace her easily , because of high testosterone and because he dominated others. On the other hand someone that treated her well was lower value because this showed he couldn't replace her , was lower T etc.

So women evolved to find asshole behavior sexually attractive and good behavior sexually unattractive.

2022-04-16T18:07:40+00:00

Most girls are basic. Most guys are basic. Basic girls on average behave better and get in less trouble than basic guys, but they're still part of the same social tropes.

cuckedalt · 2022-04-16T22:43:32+00:00

Yeah, women prefer dark triad. Well established.

Men, even dark triad men, prefer kind, good natured women.

Once I learned that women basically prefer bad people - and then play a game that gives status and pleasure as a reward for bad behavior - I stopped taking the advice and recommendations of women about dating seriously.

gagalinabee · 2022-04-17T03:22:35+00:00

I don’t think it’s much more complicated than being attracted to confidence and younger people having a much higher incidence of/ penchance for risky behaviour. Rebellion and fun, regardless of how dumb the behaviour is- not just in partner choice but just in lifestyle. I remember what a shithead I was and everyone around me was in college.

Undergrad is what, 3-4 years? There’s a lot of womaning going on beyond that. By and large, people are crazy shitheads at that age.

Apprehensive_Boat_70 · 2022-04-17T03:32:29+00:00

Trashy women gravitate towards trashy men, the sooner you realize it the better, ironically those trashy women for some reason will want u more than anything when you realize that, but you wont want them anymore, ironic eh? I even remember i met a guy who could be classifed as ur typical bad boy yet he always said "i hate those sluts", if not even them want them, why should you?

On the other hand many women tend to label a guy as an "asshole" just because they didnt get their way with him, but the guy is not even a bad person.

BigLadGreen · 2022-04-17T07:28:03+00:00

Anecdotal evidence is good. Your eyes don't lie. The religion of science is overrated. People swoon over people in lab coats. It's good as a guide but isn't the be all end all.

sarkington · 2022-04-17T15:30:36+00:00

No one has any actual proof, just surveys and speculation.

So, feels over reals

Reddituser10500 · 2022-04-16T13:22:27+00:00

When I was a raging alcoholic, and only thought about ME, in the moment, rarely if ever giving thought to anything or anyone else...

It was not any more difficult to get girls.

In fact, some of my drunken, socially "unacceptable" behaviors led to actual relationships.

This is why I think that it isn't personality or behavior that attracts women, or even keeps them.

One ex would always go on and on about how she was going to break up with me because of my bad behavior, but only left when she met other (presumably taller/more handsome) dudes

LMAO

poppy_blu · 2022-04-16T16:28:07+00:00

Every guy who does drugs finds it easier to get laid. By women looking for cheap or free access to those drugs.

This is like saying men with money find it easier to get dates with attractive women. No shit. Pretty women find it easier to get asked out. No shit.

That said, yes it’s widely acknowledged that the qualities associated with bad boys (confidence, assertiveness, physical dominance, DGAF attitude) stirs attraction in women. Unfortunately such men also are more likely to exhibit anti social behavior. What all women have to do to weigh the ROI of dealing with the latter in exchange to having the benefits of the former. The big caveat here being the assumption that all women even have a choice here (if you grew up in a poor neighborhood where many young men join gangs to survive, you don’t have much of a choice).

The thing men here need to understand though is it’s not black and white. Bad boy attitude is not the ONLY thing that is attractive to women. And men who are genuinely good guys can play up the good of the bad boy attitude without being a sociopath. Millions of men do this everyday (I mean isn’t that the basis for red pill for fucks sake?)

Lots of you guys have a major problem with this. Women are the fairer sex after all right? Women are more virtuous. They SHOULD be attracted to nice boring guys right?

Yeah and men SHOULD judge womne but their character and not their looks or their age. But it doesn’t happen that way. Women make peace with this early on. Manospherians would do well make peace too with the fact that human mating isn’t a contest of altruism.

Det_Steve_Sloan · 2022-04-17T06:57:02+00:00

This is mostly a class thing. Tattooed single mothers want bad boy bums. Women 'of breeding' want stoic alphas who won't cheat. In fact, the trailer trash want this too, this just know they can't have it.

Most of this shit is just incel coping. They don't wanna improve themselves. Most men aren't bad boys and it's most men who are keeping the species alive.

Mrs_Drgree · 2022-04-16T13:21:09+00:00

I'm sorry, but "bad boys" don't go to college. Those are just normal average guys. The guys who don't party at all are just at the other end of the spectrum - they are boring goodie two shoes.

Real bad boys (bad boys, whatcha gonna do?) wouldn't even have gotten into any college save University of Phoenix... Maybe...

MattPruga · 2022-04-16T14:13:04+00:00

they want the thrill, being with a guy that's nice is boring

V00U · 2022-04-16T13:21:58+00:00

Serial killers have groupies and many criminals have girlfriends/get married while in prison.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybristophilia

Anon4739379 · 2022-04-16T13:45:05+00:00

I dont like bad boys, it just so happens my bf is Ted Bundy

GlowingAsItDazzles · 2022-04-16T14:50:27+00:00

"bad" is just code for "masculine"

ConsultJimMoriarty · 2022-04-16T21:22:56+00:00

Is he a 'bad boy', or are you just predisposed to dislike him because he's with the girl you like?

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ruboyuri · 2022-04-16T15:20:42+00:00

You will find none because there is none aside for some “rate these faces and then we will apply some stereotypes to people’s appearances” studies

“Bad boy”/asshole behavior is also thus far impossible to quantify. Criminal statistics only show a race/economic class correlation

hhhhhhikkmvjjhj · 2022-04-16T20:44:01+00:00

I think bad boys in some ways masquerade as healthy, confident, wealthy men. There is a fine line between control and being in control, confidence and dominance, leadership and micro management etc. also people who are actually putting themselves on line as in talking to girls/women will always be infinitely more successful than a home buddy who can’t handle eye contact. It’s not magic this.

Standard-Inflation10 · 2022-04-16T21:44:36+00:00

Girls dont necessarily love "bad boys" per se, but they're usually confident, extraverted and moee likely to make a move so thats that.

Mouse1701 · 2022-04-16T22:15:39+00:00

I really don't see the correlation between using drugs and bad boys per say. I'm sure there are some bad boys that use drugs but it often interferes with other things like marijuana and alcohol have been known to decrease testosterone levels in men. Ever heard of whiskey dick? Sure there is a criminal element to using drugs and some get into selling. Alot of guys wind up getting locked up come out buff and repeat the cycle. My definition of bad boy is often the guy that is sexual experienced and has multiple women that he's seeing at the same time. Majority of the time women fall in love with the guy that really is unavailable or unattainable getting locked up will do that to a man

Frosty-Gate-8094 · 2022-04-17T08:17:51+00:00

https://www.news.liverpool.ac.uk/2016/02/25/are-women-more-attracted-to-dark-and-brooding-men

2016 study. But it still holds true.

Women are attracted to dark-traid traits. Especially for short-term relationships.. (Which is what you see in colleges.)

KingRedPillow · 2022-04-17T10:26:55+00:00

Women love the boy they can't have "Bad boy" is just the term to associate it with.

TermAggravating8043 · 2022-04-17T14:56:01+00:00

I don’t have any research but it’s pretty much the same thing fir guys that go after the “crazy girls”

You see all the red flags and you know it won’t end well but might be fun for a while

Carloverguy20 · 2022-04-17T19:36:59+00:00

Men like bad girls too tbh. I've seen men, even myself included, be attracted to problematic troubled women, because we believe that we could fix them, and we liked the trouble too.

It's not only a women thing, men tend to like bad troubled girls too.

I've never seen this at all though in college, most girls liked the average everyday guy.

SuitableStart · 2022-04-19T07:54:26+00:00

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3594103/

This authors of this study found that delinquency in adolescents happen after sexual activity. They theorize that perhaps once adolescents find sexual partners, the partners introduce them to delinquency.

So doing drugs when ugly won't get you laid.

Consistent_Wear_1224 · 2022-04-19T13:04:30+00:00

Those guys aren't "bad boys", just loser druggies

kyjolski · 2022-04-20T12:32:49+00:00

It's because pussies get wet in response to what's exciting, which are a few main traits like: extraversion/outgoingness, cockiness, unshakable self-confidence, dominance/social aggression/leadership, risk taking, charm etc.

The problem is none of these correlate to being a good LTR partner, but at least some of them correlate with narcissistic personalities. That's why you hear so many women complain about 'asshole men' that pumped and dumped them, or turn out to be a mess when taken beyond the ONS/casual stage.

Some women realize this and have 'casual' men and 'relationship' men.

Smitten_Squire · 2022-04-20T16:38:52+00:00

Bad boys are confident and have a lot going on. That's what girls like.

And also the edge of him being a bad boy brings excitement

HeartCatchHana · 2022-04-16T15:54:32+00:00

Only "bad girl" like "bad boys".

On the other hand, I don't consider drug use and low grades to be bad behavior.

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