Why is it a bad deal?

KissMyAsthma-99 · 2022-08-20T01:32:32+00:00

If Tyrone gets it day one, she's acknowledged he's created a sexual desire in her that is greater than her good sense. Meanwhile, if she's capable of withholding from you, you clearly aren't creating that same level of desire. That truth will follow the relationship forever.

tired_hillbilly · 2022-08-20T01:38:45+00:00

If you respect him more, why are you treating him worse? Only explanation that makes sense to me is that you don't actually respect him more.

krinky_dink · 2022-08-20T00:04:13+00:00

Because they aren't mutually exclusive. You can smash them just as fast and still get to know them. If you're really into a dude like that what sense does it make not to put out just as fast you did for complete strangers?

LotBuilder · 2022-08-20T00:48:22+00:00

I took Stacey out last Saturday. I scheduled a massage and spa day for her and her bff till about 4. Then we went to the mall, bought her anything she wanted. She got like 10 outfits and some jewelry and LV purse. Then we went to her favorite restaurant and a moonlit walk in the beach. I set up a little non fire and we made s’mores and cuddled. I just kinda spoiled her because I knew it was short term and I didn’t have to worry about setting the bar too high. It will never happen again so I don’t have to match that effort level or spend that much.

But you, I see a real future with us. I want to build a true partnership potentially for life. Since I don’t want to set the bar too high or do anything I can’t maintain long term we are going to Waffle House and splitting the bill… your driving. I want us to equal and set the tone for a long lasting relationship because I just respect you so much. What I gave to Stacey is nothing compared to the true 50/50 partnership I envision for us.

Do you see how that may not seem like such an awesome deal?

Purple-Heiss · 2022-08-21T16:57:22+00:00

As I said in another post in another sub...

Having to be patient (for weeks, months or even years), invest money, time and make efforts just to hold someone's hand with the knowledge that this same person has had rough and uncompromising sex with another person(s) in matter of hours or even minutes, is humiliating.

sarkington · 2022-08-19T23:19:25+00:00

I’m pretty sure you’re still not allowed to post twice in 12 hours

Also, you’ve already asked variations on this question multiple times, so I don’t know why you need to ask it again

attendquoi · 2022-08-19T23:49:40+00:00

For me, the only purpose of making a man wait to have sex is to be certain he is not dating me JUST for the sex.

I really don't understand why men will ask women for relationships when that's not actually what they want. If you want to be "Chad" or "Tyrone", you shouldn't be looking for dates. Just hookups

Acaciduh · 2022-08-19T23:48:45+00:00

Can we vote to make this a pinned fucking megathread. Then all y’all that want to discuss this ad nauseam may do so as this is the 1 billionth time this question has been asked. My god OP didn’t you get enough answered with the whole “Nate” fake scenario post - this is obsession.

Express-Fig-5168 · 2022-08-20T00:58:33+00:00

It is a bad deal to some people because they want both sex and love quickly and to last long term.

VasiliyZaitzev · 2022-08-22T05:56:24+00:00

Women: ” sure, we fucked Chad and Tyrone, but they only got the sex, you’re going to get the relationship which is far more valuable.“

Most Dudes: ”We would rather have the sex, thanks.”

Eastuss · 2022-08-19T23:30:43+00:00

they want to give you more than their body? Why is it a bad deal?

Because the "more" contains mostly if not only constraints, chores, labour, and bills.

And for that, they gift you with less sex than they gave chads, and quickly degrading looks.

How is it difficult to understand that this idea women have is solipsism? Maybe that will help you if I reverse the genders? Let's try it:

Why is it a bad deal if men send women a dick pic? It's free! Why is it a bad deal men use a woman for sex and don't commit to them? Why not date married men? You get the sex and some gifts/restaurants, and the main wife gets to clean the dishes and raise the kids, seems like the optimal life isn't it?

You don't understand because you keep thinking men want the same things as women

todo_pasa_ · 2022-08-19T23:31:51+00:00

This again? omg

Arguing this to a woman who is making you wait for sex is a huge red flag IMO. So if she is making you wait and you bring up this shit up it only means that she did good in make you wait and leave your ass. She will have sex with you when she wants and there's nothing you can do about it.

However I'm sure this are hypothetical scenarios for karma.

Kentucky_Supreme · 2022-08-19T23:43:50+00:00

Because you already set your price with Chad and Tyrone. Nobody is going to want to pay more than that.

KirthWGersen · 2022-08-20T07:44:15+00:00

It is a bad deal because relationships involve greater obligation/effort from you. One guy gets sex in return for sex. The other guy has to jump through hoops for sex and provide a hell of a lot of other things that benefit her.

In effect, she is charging you more for a worse product. She is offering you a worse deal.

The purest situation is when a women offers sex and a relationship with no commitment. That is the closest you can ever get to love.

basebornmanjack41 · 2022-08-20T00:04:38+00:00

I’ve literally never heard a woman say either of those things.

CocoBabeNYC · 2022-08-20T03:33:05+00:00

Because we've trained women that they should play hard to get if they want to be seen as a good girl and a girl of quality that is relationship material. Because when guys sleep with a woman an hour after meeting her, they wake up and think: "jeez what a stupid slut to sleep with a loser like me so fast. I bet she does that with everybody". And then you wonder why women play hard to get.

Busy-Record-420 · 2022-08-20T00:42:31+00:00

I'm still on the clock at work, which is I'm posting on this shit hole but anyways...WARNING: LONG POST

I now kinda get their logic now. I was so confused in college as to why one of my ultra-slutty friends didn't fuck met yet fucked a ton of other random dudes, and even friends I knew. Kinda made me feel like a loser tbh, cause she slammed some really scrubby twigs and she would basically fuck them almost instantly and randomly.

Anyways, she was a year behind me but I was actually studying broad when she started her freshman year, then my next semester I was basically on the opposite end of campus where most of my classes, dorms, friends, etc were. So basically we didn't really interact in any meaningful way. Sure, I saw her at the odd party or two or when walking around campus, and we even did hang out in small groups together (through other people)...but no real attempt from either end to actually establish a friendship of any kind. I would also say she screwed a strong majority of those people before I ever met her.

So one semester we actually sort of hitch up and become friends one week. We progress remarkably quickly to "good friends", like no shit it gets the point where I can see her as being a top tier best friend. I also noticed she started to dress differently, more skirts and feminine shoes. Bit more makeup. But I chalked it up to maybe her trying to gun for internships or campus club leadership positions.

Yes, I am a massive idiot.

One night after a party, we were hanging out 1 on 1 at my place. It got very intimate, she told me about something traumatic that happened to her after hesitating for a while. Then she literally told me that I made her confused because she really wanted to fuck but also felt something for me. I was so shocked that I was silent for minutes and then meekly said that we should try remaining friends.

All of a sudden, one of my neighbors bursts into the room with a massive handle of goldschlager. Literally never seen goldshlager or a container of alcohol that large before, so it goes without saying that our conversation was stopped in its tracks.

She fucked him the next morning at 9am in the showers...the shared dorm showers that were literally in the middle of the hallway...during finals week

Goes without saying that we were never friends after that. I ended up discovering about a year later that she never propositioned literally anyone for a relationship of any kind...hmmm, kinda makes you think.

Women are crazy. But maybe there's truth to the whole dual mating thing not being nefarious?

jackedsoon · 2022-08-20T01:21:20+00:00

well them making you wait can mean a lot of things. usually guys think it means ur not as attractive as ONS guys, whether its true or not in most cases waiting for sex is not worth the time and effort.

JoeRMD77 · 2022-08-20T01:59:18+00:00

This same post gets posted everyday. It's like y'all have options but you're just not happy with them. Even the attractive sluts can't fulfill you, nothing will.

BumblingBeta · 2022-08-21T15:53:02+00:00

Why can't women have sex early with the second guy AND do things with him which show she likes him more than that? That's what I never understood.

Cibfbfin · 2022-08-20T00:07:12+00:00

Do you like being second place to your own girl? Fuck that I rather be single.

Big_Hearing6536 · 2022-08-20T02:13:19+00:00

I see this topic and everyday wmn make me understand why men are radicalizing themselves everyday. Because the day some of this behaviors will be checked maybe some things will change.

But to answer the question, that's a shitty deal. Because if she had sex with these type of dudes, it means de facto she find them attractive. Women don't do "charity" on sex. Even the landwhale next door. They don't bang someone unless he ticks their "handsomeness" box. If a woman don't want to have sex with me after few dates, it just means I am not what she is looking for so I should call it a day and move on.

So if I have to wait several dates to get a wild experience, then better believe that I will leave you in a heartbeat. Honestly if nothing comes after the 3rd date (or even the 2nd date), I will bounce.

"Then you just prove you were here for sex"

Ok let's play with your argument. You are a woman and the guy you are dating , based on his previous relationships, generally propose to his partner after 3 months. You are with him since 9 months and he still doesn't mention anything, never even alludes to anything longterm. What are you going to say ?

That's the exact same feeling as a man I would have if a girl I date don't drop her pants after few dates.

"You are not entitled to her body"

You are not entitled to anything from me then. I don't know who is the idiot who invent this sentence, especially in this context. Men are not entitled to women bodies, but in this case women should not expect a man to stay if he feels he is being played. They are not entitled to his time or feeling if doesn't get what he wants. Because on the other side many women complain on this sub, on r/women or other type of female oriented sub that men leave after discovering their past. And that's why they literally fight this "natural standard" everyday.

That's all of that constitutes a relationship. Sacrifices on both ends at certain point for the sake of it. If you are unwilling to do so, you are just looking for a free meal or maybe male best friend.

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NockerJoe · 2022-08-19T23:42:27+00:00

"More than" implies you get the first thing. If theres a lack of enthusiasm most people will assume the sex won't be frequent of enthusastic.

Patrickstarho · 2022-08-20T01:18:15+00:00

Lmao Tyrone.

Ok_Razzmatazz_1751 · 2022-08-20T01:43:27+00:00

What ethnicity is Chad and Tyrone ? Lol

DisasterPeace7 · 2022-08-19T23:34:10+00:00

Because you're getting a worse version of the primary reason of why men get into relationships with women

upalse · 2022-08-19T23:39:39+00:00

Why is it a bad deal if women make you wait because they want to give you more than their body?

Because men want women for sex first, everything else second. Whereas to women those priorities are in opposite order - meaning woman is forcing her priorities on the man, contrary to his own, which gives rise to the conflict. I feel like we were over this like million of times already.

OrdinaryFarmer · 2022-08-20T02:09:32+00:00

Internalized Madonna-whore complex.

Choice-Garage-5723 · 2022-08-20T06:22:21+00:00

The woman who wants a relationship and makes men wait is usually a different women then the one fucking “Tyrone” and “chad”. Women are different, some want sex some want to love.
On the other hand, if it is the same woman who fucks “Tyrone” and “chad” but she is making you wait, then she doesn’t want you. She is jus stringing you along to squeeze money out of you. Man up and move on

SwaySh0t · 2022-08-19T23:27:49+00:00

She wants to give you: shit tests, headaches, stds from Tyrone, baggage etc the list goes on. Chad and Tyrone got the best parts of her and none of the worse. But go off.

TheRedPillRipper · 2022-08-20T02:01:08+00:00

why is it a bad deal if women make you wait

For women it’s a bad deal, because men with options, won’t wait.

SnowHatesWome · 2022-08-20T02:03:14+00:00

As a guy who has waited before, if a girl is making you wait she is not attracted to you and you gotta move on bro. You’re not gonna be a Chad to every girl, but you will be a Chad to some girl

SkeletonMagi · 2022-08-20T03:08:11+00:00

Because a man doesn’t need anything more than a woman’s body.

You are like a used car salesman trying to up sell me from sex with you to marriage with you. I never wanted marriage with you, only sex.

mahaitre · 2022-08-20T01:57:39+00:00

It is a feeling of disrespect to have to wait for a thing that others got immediately, as well as to have to put a lot of effort and money for a thing that others got for free and effortless.

WOPR-1983 · 2022-08-20T02:54:19+00:00

Different men have different uses for women.

Chad/Tyrone gives her hot sex with a chance to get impregnated with fine genetic material. That's all he brings to the table, because that's all she needs him to bring to the table. Chad/Tyrone are genetic providers. Sex with Chad/Tyrone is for raw, primal reproductive reasons.

Beta Brad thinks he's now Chad's equal because he gets access to the coochie. Wrong. Brad is there to jump through hoops and show that he can be a good resource provider. Sex with Brad is transactional for survival reasons.

Chad/Tyrone is for the seed, and Brad is for the need.

Red Pilled Brads should understand their role is different. They need to wait for sex because of the transactional nature of their agreement with her. They need to first prove themselves to be "partner ready" and "resource ready" before getting the prize.

Chad/Tyrone's hot sex and semen is a prize unto it self.

Sorry fellas. You don't equal these men just because you're fucking the same woman. Your ego tells you that you are but you are not.

So shut up, earn that money, earn your sex, and help raise Chad/Tryone's illegitimate children. Look on the bright side. Some men have resources and can't get laid unless they resort to prostitutes. You, Brad, have the chance to have a Society Approved^(tm) sexual relationship with a woman.

Stop envying your genetic betters. You'll be happier.

Signed,

The REAL Red Pill

cunningcaring · 2022-08-20T00:57:47+00:00

This is complete nonsense.

John_Oakman · 2022-08-20T01:51:49+00:00

Social legitimacy values only have values when there's societies/cultures to back them, much akin to fiat currencies' values come from government backing. Take away the importance of said societies/cultures (either rejecting/leaving them entirely or whatever) means said social legitimacy loses most/all of its value.

And the real men of the manosphere in general rejects the old social/cultural constructs... and also their opposition ironically. Even more interesting is that both of them still tries to leverage those when situational convenient (i.e. guilt tripping the opposition to follow them while exempting themselves from it).

asshole67throw · 2022-08-20T11:14:42+00:00

Myself (male) and another male friend have actually discussed if we should not have casual sex with women we want to date.

Our reasoning is that sex clouds judgement, puts us under their spell, and we overlook a lot of red flags.

If anything I’d say that sleeping with a woman lowers my standards. They usually want to see me again, and that usually ends with us dating and becoming a relationship that lasts for 6-12 months until it fizzles out.

But usually I know by the second or third date if I see us going anywhere. But, if sex is on the cards, it’s an incentive to stay.

I also have no interest in spinning plates again. I ended up with three women for two years, it’s exhausting, expensive, and honestly not worth it. I had a favourite, but she had red flags I should have seen earlier. But again sex clouded my judgement.

I’m not anti hook up, I just think it does make you put up with more, it’s not necessarily a good idea if you’re looking to meet someone for the long run until you’ve established that you like their company and have common ground and like them for more than just sex.

This is from a male perspective, I think this may be close to the rational that women perhaps follow.

Outside of this though I have a long term fwb/older woman/cougar who is married (open relationship, husband knows/is a cuck) who I can just hit up to bang and she knows everything about girls I’m seeing.

cryptothrow2 · 2022-08-25T13:32:12+00:00

If you're the only one waiting,it's not worth waiting for

Title	Why is it a bad deal?
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Stop envying your genetic betters. You'll be happier.