A woman listening to Red Pill influencers and taking their advice to heart is a sure way to attract abusers and narcissists

EulenWatcher · 2024-06-15T14:15:19+00:00

I'm not really sure there's much TRP advice directed to women. TRP for women sounds more like some traditional dating advice with all it "let him rule" and "shut up". It's about intentional dating for marriage and having a traditional dynamic within marriage. I'm not sure that red-pilled women would date most red-pilled guys.

I haven't watched Samuels much, but from a few videos and discussions here he basically recommended to lower one's standards if they were struggling with finding a man. I.e. if you want a rich husband, but you aren't up to these men's standards, you could go for older men. Which sounds a pretty reasonable advice...for aspiring gold diggers.

YveisGrey · 2024-06-15T14:58:21+00:00

Literally see Lauren Southern, a cautionary tale

OffTheRedSand · 2024-06-15T13:50:41+00:00

if you go to the redpillwomen subreddit you'll see a pattern.

most of them are single moms or silver/bronze diggers.

no sane woman would follow the red pill or even entertain it, the ones who do it do it out of necessity.

Large-Signal-157 · 2024-06-15T14:13:58+00:00

Correct. It’s serving the male imperative to the detriment of the woman involved. As much as men like to pretend they’re all valiant knights who would NEVER- let’s be real for a minute. They’d absolutely use and abuse a woman who never laid down a single boundary. Then make fun of her later for being single after he dragged his feet for 8 years and she’s unmarried and childless at 30 after being his perfect uncommitted sex kitten.

stormiu · 2024-06-15T20:57:47+00:00

TRP is supposed to be the concept of waking up to society’s BS in terms of relationships. Particularly with how one sided it is in women’s favor.

Seeing as most women don’t exactly have the problems relating to that, you can see the disconnect pretty easily.

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driggsky · 2024-06-15T17:04:18+00:00

I believe in the fundamental concepts of red pill but also think it’s bizarre how so much of it is around attracting ‘high value guys’ and how men can become ‘high value’. And it’s geared toward people who want traditional relationships.

I think there’s a lot missing for mostly average ish men and women.

I think the red pill commentary mostly is around or for pretty women and to also give average men an idea on how pretty women work

Im a highly educated man in stem and although the principles of red pill, I believe are true, they’re not all encompassing advice for how to operate. I find educated women attractive (but I also don’t mind uneducated women). My dream wife would be a good looking doctor who worked decent hours, was feminine, loyal, etc.

It’s not that you shouldnt be educated or be your own person. It’s that you should be feminine and not annoyingly anti man like many women outright say they are. Also you should resist the urge to fuck 100+ guys and become addicted to male attention (which is honestly hard given this crazy world and how women are objectified so early and quickly in life).

I think there are general truths you should absolutely take from it such as what traits, all else equal, men prefer in women. But yeah those red pill youtubers are weirdos who are just making entertainment porn for men go fantasize about dominating women

I watch a red pill adjacent psychologist named dr orion taraban on youtube and he says similar things but his advice is educated and he has general sympathy for women instead of just shitting on them all. Id recommend him over red pill content tbh

Solanthas · 2024-06-16T01:43:47+00:00

A lot of redpill ideology is thinly veiled hatred against women.

Salt_Alternative_86 · 2024-06-15T17:17:03+00:00

While I wouldn't advise women to date red pill men since seeing behind the curtain kills men's love for women, to claim actually following the advice and specifically being a stay-at-home submissive wife leads to getting narcissistic abusers 1) doesn't match the reality created by centuries of provider husbands, and 2) hasn't been prevented by the feminist push to turn women into labor units which, if anything, has resulted in MORE women ending up in exploitative and abusive relationships even before we consider the nature of their employment.

Also, dating older men isn't red pill nor red pill advice. While many are quick to point out that men CAN date younger girls, few to none suggest they SHOULD, and picking off the girls your sons would normally be dating is frequently looked down upon in most actual red pill spaces (reddit not counting since it's deleted all it's red pill spaces and is also infamously perverted).

Overall, this is just baseless fear mongering.

MC-Purp · 2024-06-15T14:40:14+00:00

I don’t remember Kevin Samuels saying women shouldn’t purse education, and a career. I mostly remember him trashing women’s standards with math.

RIP

gntlbastard · 2024-06-15T15:50:28+00:00

TRP advice to women is essentially just don't be a whore. That's it.

rag3light · 2024-06-15T14:05:24+00:00

A woman being a woman is a sure way to attract "the worst type of men." Lol

reeearnakedchoke · 2024-06-15T17:12:20+00:00

TRP is not for women 'to listen to'. If a man 'listened to' the Pink Pill he'd be a good boy beta wallet for some girl. Same same.

RelativeYak7 · 2024-06-15T18:20:48+00:00

I heard a woman on a podcast who did take this advice! I believe she was on Meghan Daum's podcast and she became afraid of being single and married the first guy who asked. Ended in divorce and she snapped out of it. Here is a link to it https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-unspeakable-podcast/id1524832743?i=1000646857259

SaBahRub · 2024-06-15T13:58:46+00:00

Yes, red pill doesn’t care about women’s well being. They are very up front about that

Sharplove365 · 2024-06-15T14:41:06+00:00

Women can think for themselves. How are we championing equality when you literally believe one sex can abuse the other's mental intelligence.

TapZealousideal5974 · 2024-06-15T16:39:34+00:00

Having this mindset in western society is a sure way to attract the worst type of men, like narcissists who want to have control over others.

Is it just me, or is this kind of thing a bit of a projection? Women want to have the whiphand/sword of Damocles/[choose your analogy] in relationships and indeed gloat all the time about the fact that for various social reasons they for the most part do in the modern world especially in marriage, and so they freak out at the idea of a man or men somehow getting back on top, even if it's an unrealistic prospect for the most part, anyway. Hell, girlfriends trying to get their boyfriends to marry them can be itself regarded as a move for more control over the man, since that's what it amounts to, regardless of their age(s).

wtknight · 2024-06-15T13:59:03+00:00

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Spyro7x3 · 2024-06-16T05:44:54+00:00

If you just make it "I'm going to get married to this young guy" its instantly based and would work out for the women

Women are naturally redpilled and learn how to run game based on the same biological confines very fast. Theres no such thing as bluepilled women except the ones who took feminism to seriously and wasted as lot of time the real point is to be a manipulative hypocrite thats womens redpill strength because its how women wield power from the shadows

Over_Noise3530 · 2024-06-17T04:49:57+00:00

We can just lie and say we're broke stupid virgins, wait til the guy gets too cocky then pull the rug out from under him

Ok_Frosting6547 · 2024-06-15T14:36:35+00:00

It has me appreciating more traditional ways of dealing with these issues. Consider the tradition of men asking the woman's father for her hand in marriage, and the father "passing off" his daughter in the marriage ceremony. The father has the job of vetting his daughter's SO to determine whether he is fit for marriage. The father is naturally protective of his daughter and would aid in examining crucial qualities that would be perhaps better understood from the perspective of an older man that the daughter may overlook.

Part of the problem might just be that in today's society, we are so individualistic and have people figuring these things out on their own. I am not saying we should return to patriarchy but recognize that there may have been something to traditions, a reason why they have persisted for so long, and that aspects of this could be adopted.

Cotehill · 2024-06-15T17:06:08+00:00

This is the main bit these influencers get wrong. But it’s not red pill either.

Marriage and SAHMs have little place in red pill beneficial aspects. SAHMs are the most likely to divorce, and the nastiest. Marriage is a patriarchal, traditional and religious mechanism. No women should be marrying because of that. No men should marry ever.

Red Pill indicates clearly that 50% of marriages end in divorce, 80% by women choosing mainly that they are bored, and 80% of ongoing marriages are unhappy and loveless. No one should gamble their life on a 90% fail.

There are good reasons why the 1950s style of marriage had to end - it was shit for everyone.

The only thing they can promote as a benefit is that children have better outcomes. Yet the children have the same good outcomes if they live with a single father.

The only true red pill position for men to take is

Don’t marry or cohabitate but make sure you pay for your children and stay local so you can be fully in their life every week.
If you must marry or cohabitate, make sure you have a prenup otherwise you are at the mercy of the States prenup
As soon as any relationship is loveless, get out. Do not try to fix it, it’s over and if you stay, you will end up hating each other. There may be a chance, a year later, that the two of you are back together but at least knowing you can’t live together.

Any man that can’t follow those aspects is not red pill. Merely indoctrinated with the blue pill religious, Disney and Hollywood happy ever after bullshit. Any man getting married nowadays gets no sympathy - there is plenty of real information out there.

Many influencers are just talking heads, claiming red pill without following it.

But I’m not sure Kevin Samuels deemed himself Red pill. He looked at how the loss of marriage had screwed up black communities and wanted to return that good community, because it was falling apart. Bad take but great to see average-at-best women squirm because they deemed themselves Princesses or Queens.

boom-wham-slam · 2024-06-15T14:16:08+00:00

I mean my gf and all my exgfs loved the situation and all run around saying how great it is. So I personally am not aware of the issues, at least according to women I know.

Teflon08191 · 2024-06-15T16:42:58+00:00

What would happen if women listened to FreshnFit, Kevin Samuels etc. and actually took their advice seriously?

They'd develop femcel-esque levels of mistrust towards men in general and in doing so ruin their chances at having a positive relationship with any man because now they're the ones acting like narcissists who want to have control over others.

Tokimonatakanimekat · 2024-06-15T16:47:35+00:00

Well, Red Pill influencers target men and give them the proverbial carrot in form of "trad woman" to keep the socio-economic grinder running on their flesh and bone.

It's simply not meant for women to consume.

What's funny tho is that men who see content from feminist/FDS influencers don't get attracted to any kind of woman, instead they grow equally disgusted by women in general.

nnuunn · 2024-06-15T16:52:37+00:00

What would happen if she did this without a solid idea of how to figure out if a man is a good person or not? Probably end up in an abusive relationship.

What would happen if she did this with a should idea if for to figure out if a man is a good person or not? Probably have a wonderful marriage and an amazing life.

mossab9112 · 2024-06-15T17:01:00+00:00

Why you care women can think of them self is this what lace for men ?

one_ball_policy · 2024-06-15T17:04:18+00:00

Redpill is good advice for men but terrible advice for women.

As far as fresh and fit they are grifters. They lead with their wallet and give terrible advice to me as well. I think the reason people have issues with RedPill is because they think people like FnF represent redpill.

GhettoJamesBond · 2024-06-15T13:49:27+00:00

I don't think I ever hear Kevin Samuel's tell a girl not to go to college. And you understand that girls used to get married at 19 and they did much better then girls today.

cheeseguard · 2024-06-15T14:11:29+00:00

They don’t have to listen to them. They just look at happy women knowingly getting with leo, Murdoch, elision and so many others. Blaming age old behavior of women on some influencer does not cut it.

BushidoX0 · 2024-06-15T14:30:42+00:00

Western Muslims are a good example of this

Often pursue a very RP lifestyle

At least in the UK it seems they have tight families, reproduce like rabbits (there is a conversation for another day about how the demographic changes will impact society) and are not in poverty

Most of the women will say and I believe them that their main gilas in life have always been family and kids

Most of the world is like that, I think us westerners are probably in a minority

Common-Ferret-1435 · 2024-06-15T14:26:36+00:00

How does that even make sense?

Listening to some weirdos babbling about low n-count will get her bashed? Are you insane? Low n-count is stupid but high n-count will absolutely increase abuse.

You’re just spitting out some dumb 1920s trad cuck nonsense 16 year olds say. You really think that will interfere with the messaging that she’s had constantly her entire life. You actually believe her bathing in constant indoctrination will be stymied by a YT video.

You actually believe women aren’t selfish and only care about themselves. That’s the most blue pill thinking ever.

Next she’ll not make money too right? Because women hate money.

And all this is to believe women actually like men which they don‘t. Sure maybe you can trick some fat 12 year old, but she ain’t thinking about college at 12. She cares about attention and being like the cool kids, not boys.

MailenJokerbell · 2024-06-15T18:06:48+00:00

Tbh Kevin Samuels was not a good person but he wasn't bad either. His advice was just for people to get off their high horse, he didn't tell women to settle for BS. He called men and women out.

Now, everything else is ridiculous. Like some of those channels saying that you should stay married even if your husband cheats or that if you wanna be with a HVM you need to accept him cheating. Etc etc.

McTitty3000 · 2024-06-15T20:43:13+00:00

The red pill is not for women, not to mention I'd argue a man being a feminist is much much worse than a woman who absorbs red pill content but nonetheless it's not for her

KingofRheinwg · 2024-06-15T21:05:38+00:00

There is an actual red pill women sub which discusses none of those things. It's more like "don't have sex until he shows commitment" "here's how to tell if he's faking being nice or if he's real" and "this is how you can bring value to a relationship (by getting a degree)".

The red pill acknowledges there being conflicting desires between men and women in dating strategy so the advice given to women is orthogonal to the advice given to men.

It's kinda weird how it's a pretty big sub and any attempt to search red pill women on a search engine would pull up dozens of blogs, etc, targeted towards women with good advice (given that you'd have to believe red pill exists too believe the advice is good) yet you looked for none of that information before posting your uninformed opinion? It would be like saying "I don't think the moon landing is real because we only went there once".

ohnosos · 2024-06-16T16:58:47+00:00

Yup. Happened to me. It radicalized me

soulforce212 · 2024-06-15T16:04:54+00:00

Both me and my lady still, once in a blue moon, watch Kevin Samuels videos to this day. It's one of those things where you have to use your own critical thinking to be able to assess what he says and how it could be of value to your life specifically, because you shouldn't take every single thing one person says as gospel.

There were many tidbits of his that helped our relationship life exponentially, and our relationship is by no means traditional.

Title	A woman listening to Red Pill influencers and taking their advice to heart is a sure way to attract abusers and narcissists
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Date	June 15, 2024 1:43 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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