CMV: Status makes men more attractive to women and that incentives men to create hierarchies

TheRedPillRipper · 2024-11-25T23:59:39+00:00

incentives men to compete

Whilst I agree that heterosexual preferences drive a lot of ambition, I don’t think it is the primary driver. Ultimately, life is ‘one big competition.’ From day one, a baby struggles to breathe. To feed. Roll. Walk. Talk. Grow. Then mastery. Grades. Degrees. Careers. Retirement. Nursing homes. Death. Along this path, if one is lucky, they get to experience a little thing called self actualisation. This, is what differentiates us, from our basest of animal instincts.

Sure, sex is nice. Self actualisation? Self fulfilment however? That fuels a level competitiveness, that is rarely paralleled.

Godspeed and good luck!

MasterAd6260 · 2024-11-26T00:18:18+00:00

All dating is competing.

You realize women compete with other women too?

ImpossibleDraft7208 · 2024-11-26T13:52:57+00:00

In truly patriarchal societies women have literally no say in who they marry, it is mostly their family, and within the family her father, who decides, with or without any input from female family members... The term "patriarchy" has become a dog whistle

rustlerhuskyjeans · 2024-11-25T23:49:58+00:00

When I got a girlfriend last time, before I deleted my dating apps, just to see I changed my job title to "General Surgeon" at a local hospital for a day.

I matched 5x as much, women were calling me hot (I'm not), and were asking me out "when are we getting a drink?" and they never asked me out before. It kind of ticked me off, and then I deleted the apps.

There's a lot of implied status in being a surgeon, and women's response to me on dating apps was crazily increased because of it.

NiaNia-Data · 2024-11-26T04:20:26+00:00

Hierarchies have always existed and male competition isn’t a new phenomenon. It is very natural. Apes do it and so do pretty much every species. The male who can collect the most food for his future bachelorette is more desirable. And that shouldn’t need explaining as to why.

IcyTrapezium · 2024-11-26T00:01:56+00:00

It doesn’t make them more sexually attractive it just makes them more financially attractive. I’m not sure why some people pretend to not understand the difference. Women don’t get wet from a man making good money. But plenty of women want that money.

Financial_Leave4411 · 2024-11-25T23:42:50+00:00

It’s not just about his stats/lifestyle/ability to provide; it’s about access to that status/lifestyle/money. It doesn’t matter what a man has or will have if a woman can’t access it.

It’s stupid to spend your time, energy and effort working for a company/improving the CEO and shareholders lives if you don’t get anything out of the deal same with relationships.

Access to the goods is what is most important not just him having it.

toasterchild · 2024-11-26T01:00:47+00:00

Status seaking women want status seaking men and visa versa. Why do we pretend most of these sorta of women aren't playing dominance games with other women too? It's like crushing on the popular kid in high school and being sad they only date other popular kids. That shit doesn't totally disappear after high school. Many people grow out of it but plenty remain for life.

TidyMess24 · 2024-11-26T18:05:04+00:00

So, men started building these hierarchies millenia before women actually had the ability to choose their partners. Up until about the 18th century, women didn’t have a say….. so I don’t see how that would be the primary incentive to build these hierarchies given that a woman’s attraction dindnt matter one bit in partnering.

Fab_Glam_Obsidiam · 2024-11-26T01:40:03+00:00

While I enjoy how powerful this makes women seem, if prefer if you all didn't do this 🌺🌺🌺👍

badgersonice · 2024-11-26T14:29:15+00:00

Are you sure it was female choice that forced men to build hierarchies? Didn’t Jordan Peterson say that hierarchies are inherent to animal life, and that even lobsters form hierarchies? Animals also form hierarchies to gain better access to food and better territory for themselves and their offspring. It’s certainly not all just about female choice. In many species, females don’t seem to have a lot of choice at all.

Likewise in humans, in a substantial number of human cultures and across many centuries, men who achieved great success got to fuck however many women they wanted regardless of what women found most attractive. Many societies have worked for a very long time to destroy female choice systematically.

Being a strong patriarch, in fact, ensured you could force more women to bear your children. And for the women, the choice was to spread their legs, or just be raped anyways, or possibly be killed or exiled if they resisted.

So sure, it makes sense women evolved to prefer the men on top— any women who didn’t go with that flow were systematically removed from the evolutionary chain.

Im_Unsure_For_Sure · 2024-11-25T23:43:30+00:00

That’s the same logic behind hoarding wealth rather than ensuring everyone’s basic needs are met.

It benefits the person willing to be selfish at everyone else’s expense.

whatever8482 · 2024-11-26T05:47:17+00:00

Yeah women’s selection is terrible. This is why every serious society chose for them for thousands of years

Downtown_Cat_1745 · 2024-11-25T23:33:58+00:00

So you’re saying women like men with redeeming qualities? Men who achieve things? How is that unfair?

Accomplished men tend to like accomplished women

Fan_Service_3703 · 2024-11-25T23:44:23+00:00

Social status is actually much, much more desired in women by men than vice versa.

Popular culture and fairytales are built around a "worker" (knight/rescuer/hero) male winning the heart of a high status female (Princess, Queen).

Remember when you were in school? If you were a male in school and wanted to be popular, you needed to be the best at sport, or the best at fighting, or the funniest, or have the best trainers, or the best looking. The popular girls weren't the best looking, weren't the best at sport, weren't the smartest, weren't the best at fashion/makeup (although they certainly claimed themselves to be). They'd manoeuvre their way up the food chain through rumours, manipulation and psychological warfare. Popularity for the sake of being popular. And interestingly, the higher up the chain a girl went, the more guys would be interested in her, as if this ability to become the alpha/apex female is itself prized.

The vast majority of female beautification (with the obvious exception of diet/exercise) is designed to signify social status as opposed to reproductive value.

Long Hair? Impractical for manual labour, implying a woman who has resources without needing to work.

Manicures/Pedicures: Having soft/smooth hands and feet don't say anything about reproductive value, but they do imply a high status woman who is unscarred by manual work.

Makeup: Women making their skin shiny and their lips, eyelids, nails and toes a particular colour doesn't imply anything about whether a woman can carry offspring. Their sole purpose is to display a woman who has the wealth to afford these cosmetic alterations.

Leg/Armpit Shaving - The product of an ad campaign marketed at middle class women, another cosmetic alteration that initially only the middle class and above could afford.

In Indian culture, light-skinned women are seen as the most beautiful, because it implies a woman who does not need to work out in the sun. As a result, dangerous skin-lightening creams and treatments are popular in South Asian countries. Among white women, a tanned look is sought after, because it implies a woman who does not need to work and can relax under the sun, hence why sunbeds and fake tan are popular.

This can even go to dangerous and evil extremes. Chinese Foot-Binding had women being made essentially immobile, to display that she and her family were affluent enough that she did not need to work.

None of this is to say social status is irrelevant for women, just that it's much lower on their biological priorities (which are primarily securing the best genes for her offspring and secondarily securing a mate who can protect her offspring and her resources).

OGMUDSTICK · 2024-11-26T00:19:26+00:00

Good looking man with 5-9 and Toyota Camry 5/10. Average man with own business and Lamborghini 10/10

DellOptiplex7080 · 2024-11-26T05:25:09+00:00

Man discovers conservative women

mashedturnip · 2024-11-26T00:21:16+00:00

I was told that men are naturally competitive and aggressive cuz like testosterone

And also looks, brah

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Aware-Resolve6740 · 2024-11-26T03:03:48+00:00

Yes its an RMV trait

ideastoconsider · 2024-11-26T14:27:31+00:00

You are leveraging a logical fallacy to back into your claim as to why patriarchy exists.

Here is the reality. Was it the chicken or the egg?

Men value their own pursuits more selfishly than woman on average, and they work a bit more harmonious in male only groups toward those pursuits than women do in female only groups on average (more physical strength to complete hard physical tasks, no menstrual cycle, no pregnancy). Men are built to complete physical work biologically. This applies less in a knowledge economy, but the knowledge economy is still sustained by the need to build and maintain physical infrastructure.

Men compete for women to procreate and for pleasure. There is no penalty for procreating with multiple women at one time, yet their is a genetic pull in men toward procreating with women whose beauty makes them appear more likely to successfully bear and nurture offspring.

A man’s strength and/or intelligence which led to their success among other men is observable by women and therefore attractive qualities for provision, protection, and at times overall company. This is important as woman can only be pregnant with one man’s offspring at a time and pregnancy is long and can be physically debilitating, even cause for death. Women are built to bear and nurture children biologically. This again applies less in a knowledge economy, but the knowledge economy is still sustained by the need to replenish talent.

So, when courting each other, men do naturally prioritize beauty, sex, and nurturing ability, while women prioritize attributes that create and sustain provision and safety.

Status for both sexes is a downstream effect of this dynamic.

In this never ending cycle and dance, patriarchy is a means for men to organize for their own self actualization. A man’s self actualization is not dependent on women, and frankly, women are arguably a distraction on the road to self actualization for many men. The point being, “patriarchy” would and does exist in the total absence of women (think military before women could participate, think civil rights before women were allowed to vote).

Patriarchy is naturally occurring, without much thought to women, and again the knowledge economy is making both men and women rethink the advantages/disadvantages of this legacy structure. Be certain however, if WW3/4 wiped out all modern comforts and brought buildings to rubble, it will be patriarchal structures that will lead the physical security, provisions, and rebuilding of physical infrastructure. It will be women who will bear and nurture our replenishments. It is in our biology to serve these roles.

Total_Hospital_6013 · 2024-11-26T15:52:04+00:00

Seeing as hierarchies existed for as long as...well forever and the idea that people can freely choose their own partners or at least try to choose is a relatively new idea

Both men and women's reasons for finding people attractive or not are simply more shallow and selfish than most people would like to admit

joe_death · 2024-11-26T22:13:08+00:00

Read Heart of Darkness.

King_conscience · 2024-11-25T23:35:34+00:00

I would love to be proven wrong on this point because of its unpleasant implications. If men with resources are more desirable than those without then women's sexual mating preferences incentives men to compete with each other for those resources giving rise to hierarchies such as capitalism and patriarchy that ensure structure and order within those hierarchies.

Status doesn't only have to be economic attractiveness

Status is a combination of a man's SMV=Money,looks,Game

ThatBitchA · 2024-11-25T23:48:22+00:00

Yes, a man with the resources to care for himself and provide himself a fulfilling life with hobbies, interests, and passions is way more attractive than a man who does nothing and goes nowhere.

This sub will mention celebrities but what do celebrities do? They travel, the have passion for their jobs (sports, acting, whatever), and they have interests or businesses, they are out doing. That DOING is what is sexy and attractive.

You want to be seen as more attractive? Go do shit. Be seen doing shit. You never know who is watching or who sees you because out doing shit.

Unhappy_Offer_1822 · 2024-11-26T00:19:23+00:00

yes most people are attracted to superficial things

NoDanaOnlyZuuI · 2024-11-26T12:11:20+00:00

This is also true the other way around. Y’all act like you’ve split the atom with these observations that are universally true.

“I argue that the higher a woman’s social status, composed of youth, beauty, weight, femininity, fertility, agreeableness, and blah blah fucking blah make her more attractive to men”

Of course it happens in reverse - but the qualifiers are different.

Title	CMV: Status makes men more attractive to women and that incentives men to create hierarchies
Author	AresThePacifist_
Upvotes	95
Comments	235
Date	November 25, 2024 11:28 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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