CMV: Female mate selection based on height proves, better than any other example, that women are hypergamous.

VaultGuy1995 · 2019-08-26T02:53:02+00:00

As a short guy, I just gave up on trying to date or hook up at all. Doing my own thing is better than getting constantly rejected for something I can't change.

DiabolicalPeach · 2019-08-26T02:08:44+00:00

I'm happy to fuck tall women. Really don't care at all. I find them 100% as attractive as shorter women.

However, I know it very well that for women height is the most important factor in mate selection (as studies and any short stroll on dating sites clearly show). So I don't really target them. When you have a limited number of hours you can put into picking up chicks, you really should not waste your time on girls not shorter than you by at least 5 cms.

Personally, I am of average height. 175cm. That rules me out in the eyes of lots of women.

axolotlass · 2019-08-25T17:27:36+00:00

So a man, ugly or handsome, short or tall, will always want to mate with more women and will never be satisfied with only me. So why would i pick the ugly short guy? If both of them are shit then i want him to be at least a tall handsome shit.

Wow this really opened my eyes. Us women should never ever settle for less than perfect. Because all men are the same, at least we should get something out of it. Btw im going to call this the lilac pill. Swallow the lilac pill ladies 😌😌🥰

NegativeCollision · 2019-08-25T18:10:52+00:00

Spotted the Incel sweaty all of this fake stuff you just made up is to shame muh lady

datingapppro · 2019-08-25T18:25:57+00:00

Kind of missing the mark here. Height is a MASCULINE trait. Women like tall men because they can feel 'protected'. Women like the idea of a physically bigger and stronger man having their way with them.

Men not preferring tall women is as much hypergamous as men not preferring muscular women. You could take a trait that men care about that women dont as much - a partners age - and flip this analysis on its head

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speltspelt · 2019-08-25T17:12:43+00:00

Let's correct this for the ~5.6 inch height difference between women and men - which is about what the height difference would be between two people who are otherwise genetically identical except for sex.

the average mean height preference difference of all men was [4 inches taller than his height would be as a woman], the overall ideal range was [.7 inches taller than his height would be as a woman] to [7.2 inches taller than his height would be as a woman]

the average mean height preference difference of all women was [2.3 inches taller than her height would be as a man], the overall ideal range was [.3 inches shorter than her height would be as a man] to [4.8 inches taller than her height would be as a man]

Looks like the men are fishing for height way more than the women here.

shonenhikada · 2019-08-25T17:40:31+00:00

Women only value a combination of 3 things in men:

Looks (height and/or face)
Money
Social Status

Icunvme66 · 2019-08-25T16:53:23+00:00

Teaching men about hypergamy has done more damage than the damage men think hypergamy does to them.

ThrowAwayBro737 · 2019-08-25T18:32:49+00:00

Is this all the red pill is? Understanding that men go for quantity and women quality? Because thats great, but how much more is there to be said about it?

lemonfluff · 2019-08-25T18:38:54+00:00

I agree with the height thing completely. I very much disagree with "women have been conditioned to lie about being attracted to status and money".

Most women do not care much about status or money, as long as you have some ambition and earn enough to live off, but that's more a general sign that you are willing to go out and do things, take responsibility for your life and won't be scrounging off us.

It's not a case of lying, I just think that since women started working and having equal rights in the workplace that particular stereotype is outdated and no longer relevant or accurate. Yet a lot of men seek to cling to it. Most women I know value respect, a sense of humour and yes, height, much higher up the list than status or money. We're more interested in our own careers than our partners.

goatismycopilot · 2019-08-26T00:09:00+00:00

I am more about the face or the body than the height, if some hot chick wants to not date short guys she is going to be able to pick her picks. I have a handsome hair haired friend who only dates blonde chicks, he is nice looking and personable so he gets to pick his picks. If you are in the middle attraction range or low end you don't get to pick all of your picks. If you are an average chick and you like tall guys then you either compromise on something else or you don't snag the tall guys. So women might prefer tall guys but that does not mean they get one, unless you live in the Ukraine or the Netherlands there are not enough tall guys to go around.

Criticalthinking346 · 2019-08-25T20:32:50+00:00

You’re trying to equate correlation between to variables that have no researched correlation (height =/= hypergamy just because you want it to).

The first reason being “hypergamy”” is a bullshit theory that has no legitimate backing. You are grasping here because height =/= best genes. In reality taller people have a higher probability of being ectomorphs (like my hubs). Ectomorphs have high rates of being underweight. It’s is actually healthier to be obese by 50 pounds than it is to be underweight by 5. So in reality taller men aren’t necessarily the healthiest option.

research

[deleted] · 2019-08-25T18:30:08+00:00

It seems that there is a lot of confusion about what "hypergamy" means in terms of sexual selection. Too many people, and even red-pill guys tend to frame hypergamy in terms of money or social status, but it's really broader than that. Men are polygamous (meaning that our sexual desires function in a way to mate as broadly as possible) and women are hypergamous (meaning that their sexual desires function in a way to only mate with the "best" man possible - even if others are mating with him too).

I disagree. Ultimately, money is more important than anything. People like Epstein or Trump would have been your average losers if they weren't rich.

Rich men inherently have more sexual options , just by being rich. In our world, all you have to do is to have money, literally. People say that it doesn't count because women want these rich men only for money, but does it truly matter? Look at Trump, the guy is ugly af, yet he had sex left and right just because he could afford it.

theambivalentrooster · 2019-08-25T20:55:50+00:00

Yes, duh, women prefer taller men.

AND YET you can still land a girl taller than yourself.

Just ask me how.

flamingoinghome · 2019-08-25T21:04:41+00:00

Sure there's a social stigma around the whole height thing--men on the internet complaining about it keep forgetting that they count.
So men like less of a height gap than women? Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't actually see height as a universally positive trait? It's kind of neutral? Whether it's a sign of "fitness" is pretty environmentally dependent, tbh.
Most men are not "just as happy" with McDonald's workers as with CEOs, stop being silly. Further, a man under 5'9 himself would likely reject a 5'9 woman outright.
Disclaimer: I'm a fairly extreme outlier in that I give literally zero fucks about how tall a man is. "I really don't care how tall you are" is an actual line on my OLD profile.

StarlingClarice · 2019-08-26T00:00:58+00:00

I’m an attractive female. Husband is 5’9, had no money and no status when we got together.

He does have a handsome face.. so did his handsome face somehow confuse the shit out of my female biology so that I wouldn’t care about the other things? Or are we all different human beings with different things we seek in a partner?

SimulatedEnvironment · 2019-08-25T20:18:32+00:00

Yet another post telling us something we already know. I don’t think anyone is going to argue that women don’t engage in hypergamy.

red_matrix · 2019-08-26T00:03:53+00:00

Hypergamy: Alpha fux/Beta bux

Trine_tg22 · 2019-08-26T14:32:27+00:00

Height is one indicator of being a more desirable mate and short and undesirable men aren't nicer, less asshole-ish in any way (often quite the opposite in fact, I imagine due to developing a bitter outlook cause by being undesirable) so we might as well go for the guys we actually desire. It's an hypocritical tactic done by undesired men designed to shame women's preferences. They'd go for the attractive girl if they could (which of course, they can't) so whatev. Why go for the inferior male? Frankly, I'd rather be judged negatively by the inferior male and positively by the superior, desirable one.

JolieKrys88 · 2019-08-26T18:25:38+00:00

I prefer tall men as I’m sure the majority of western men like a thin/fit body type on a woman. Height is associated with masculinity and thin healthy curves are associated with femininity/fertility. Blame evolution.

JolieKrys88 · 2019-08-26T23:40:47+00:00

I still think the basic principal holds true. The more attractive you are the more options you have whether for sex or relationships of whatever in between.

Btw. I have been in the modeling industry & I have seen first hand model men reject even average looking women and still get with other female models.

I’ve also know men into physical fitness that are physically disgusted by overweight women & ive never seen them take one home.

If a guy has an option to sleep with hot women over unattractive women, he’ll go for the more attractive women.

JolieKrys88 · 2019-08-26T23:45:24+00:00

If a man has a choice of banging 5 hot women or 5 fat women, he will choose 5 hot women. If he looks like Chris Hemsworth he will have a lot more opportunity to and I’ve seen it with my owns eyes hot women throwing themselves at hot men and vice versa.

blackedoutfast · 2019-08-27T04:52:45+00:00

The average height gap preferred by women is about eight (8) inches

and the average woman is 5'4" so another 8" gives us the nice, round, and easy to remember 6' even. which is also slightly above average male height. would be interesting to see if the results are different in places that typically measure height with metric units - would the preferred height be something like 180cm?

and in my experience, the average 5 '4" woman can reliably estimate the height of men that are taller than her. If she likes a guy, she will think a 5 '10" dude is 6 foot plus. and if she isn't attracted to him, she will say a 6 foot guy is too short.

neostoic · 2019-08-27T15:52:49+00:00

Your definition of hypergamy is way too broad. The key word here is "possible". I'm pretty sure no person on the blue pill side would disagree with the notion that people choose the best partners possible for them. The reason why there's so much debate about hypergamy is that TRP postulates something else, that you failed to define. Under TRP women are not just aiming higher, but they pretty much ignore anyone who's not among the best(alpha) and then are willing to enter in non-monogamous relationships with them. That's why TRP hypergramy is controversial.

Now, with height you failed to note another major point on which people would generally agree here - attractiveness not being symmetrical between genders. That's what your first quote illustrates. This is important for determining hypergamy, since how do you know if woman is aiming up and not for someone equal in attractiveness?

So, for height being a proof of female hypergamy as per TRP, we should have the data that would point to women only willing to date men of some specific perfect height let's say 6'1 - 6'3 regardless of how tall they themselves are. And such behavior actually happens on OLD platforms, but then again it's also explainable too.

LotBuilder · 2019-08-25T18:40:31+00:00

None of this is bad or good, it is what it is. Knowing this allows men to adjust their sales pitch and approach. The easiest route is to sell what people are buying. If you are 5’8”, focus your efforts on 5 footers rather than being mad about it. Or focus your efforts on being rich, then women magically care less about height.

We get into trouble when we ignore reality and expect people to behave in a way contrary to 1000’s of years of conditioning

eboy4hire · 2019-08-25T20:13:23+00:00

The word hypergamy has always annoyed me in the red pill and mgtow communities. It's just a word for something not that complicated that people use to sound smart. Idc about "spinning plates" or any of the other terms, but that term in particular seems like it's pretentiously scientific sounding.

tnais · 2019-08-25T23:27:03+00:00

How do you explain women choosing a man who’s 5’8 over a man who’s 6’2?

eliechallita · 2019-08-26T02:02:02+00:00

So... you're basing your conclusion on looking at a single factor that women happen to favor while excluding all factors that men might favor from your analysis?

Height isn't necessarily an evolutionary signal for fitness. It's helpful in some areas, but detrimental in others. It's also much more closely related to environmental factors than genetics. And you could equally say that facial attractiveness or curviness are also signals for a good mate, and therefore men who favor them are also hypergamous.

diffdedbed · 2019-08-25T17:29:09+00:00

Womens looks have been more sexually selected for than males.

Its why women have large useless breasts and large butts in some races.

It explains the 80/20 idea as well, men were picked due to characteristics other than how they look. OLD doesn't do much to show those characteristics.

So, if human height is an evolutionary signal for fitness, the female desire for male height is an excellent example of hypergamy.

No its not. You reached to far. Its another factor to selection, thats all.

CainPrice · 2019-08-25T22:34:39+00:00

This CMV doesn't demonstrate hypergamy. It just bitches that women prefer tall men.

"I want a man I'm attracted to. I prefer tall men. Therefore I want tall men" isn't hypergamy. It's women having a preference.

The only reason we don't see the same thing in men is because most men are like this:

"I want a hot woman, not a fat one. But I'm an average guy and hot women don't give me a second look. That chunky 5 with big tits wants to go home with me and I'm horny. So I'll fuck her."

If you're an extremely high caliber man and you have lots of hot women chasing you, then like a woman, you, too, might exercise standards and turn your nose up at uglier women.

But when you don't, you take what you can get.

Believe it or not, that chunky 5 with big tits would prefer a taller, hotter man, but she goes home with an average 6 instead of an 8-9, because an average 6 is what she can get, and much like you, she'll take the sex she can get.

AnotherWitch · 2019-08-26T03:34:10+00:00

Let me put your argument into a logical structure and then test it.

Your argument:

[ If (trait) implies (genetic fitness or social benefit)

Then

(Hypergamous people) desire more of (trait) (Polygamous people) do not care much about (trait) ]

So since we know that facial symmetry is considered a sign of genetic fitness, lets run that through.

[ Since (facial symmetry) implies (genetic fitness)

Then

(Hypergamous people) desire more of (facial symmetry) (Polygamous people) do not care much about (facial symmetry) ]

And yet we know men DO care about facial symmetry, meaning that this test shows men and women to be hypergamous, by your original argument.

Let’s try breast size. The results won’t bare upon straight women but we’ll see what they say about men.

[ Since (breast size) implies (genetic fitness)

Then

(Hypergamous people) desire more of (breast size (Polygamous people) do not care much about (breast size) ]

And since we know men do care about breast size, this one also shows men to be hypergamous.

Not saying any of that is true, just taking your argument and logically extending it.

I think a better interpretation of the data you provided would be that height is more important to women when assessing the suitableness of a man than vice versa.

meomeowmeoww · 2019-08-27T00:02:28+00:00

grow up

stevev916 · 2019-08-25T20:35:17+00:00

it's holistic...

I believe a short man driving lambo will attract more women than a tall man driving pinto

want examples... just photo search women George Clooney has dated

Title	CMV: Female mate selection based on height proves, better than any other example, that women are hypergamous.
Author	ThrowAwayBro737
Upvotes	90
Comments	488
Date	August 25, 2019 4:19 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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