« I don’t like muscles »

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January 11, 2020

« I don’t like muscles », said Stacy, with my arm around her waist and her hand up my shirt.

« Working out seems so pointless though », said Julia, as she squeezed my pec after I hugged her.

« Who are you trying to impress? », asked Linda, her eyes darting up and down my torso at the community pool.

A long time ago I probably would’ve believed these statements, I would’ve given up on building a physique, because I didn’t « get it ».

They don’t communicate the way we do.

She likes your muscles, she doesn’t want to look like a slut.

She likes your muscles, she wants you to understand that without having to say it.

A huge percentage of men today are out of shape, flabby, weak. Being strong will raise your SMV significantly, especially if you’re just looking to spin plates.

« B-but I’m Indian »

« I have a jacked friend who doesn’t get laid »

« Looks don’t matter »


As a man, your body is one of the only things you can actually control.

Set a goal.

Eat right. Eat. Eat. EAT.

Lift heavy ass fucking weight. Lift 5 times a week. Sleep at least 8 hours. Be consistent.

Don’t tell anyone that you’re working out. Don’t post your shitty physique on social media, just shut the fuck up and lift.

Do this for a year, then come back and tell me that women don’t like it.

At the end of the day, she’ll tell Billy Beta that he’s perfect the way he is, as she denies him sex and lets him chase her.

But Chad knows better, he knows that she’s drooling, because muscles on a man are like tits and ass on a woman.

Start now.

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Title « I don’t like muscles »
Author Coolrubbings
Upvotes 1459
Comments 430
Date 11 January 2020 04:32 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/305461
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[–]lowkeyifuxwithjuice427 points428 points  (64 children) | Copy

Well put brother. I love being jacked.

[–]Coolrubbings418 points419 points  (60 children) | Copy

Betas will resent you for it.

Alphas will respect you for it.

And women will absolutely go nuts for it.

[–]NWDegenerate180 points181 points  (54 children) | Copy

I was super fit when I was 16-23. I was in the Army Reserves, would work out or hit the boxing gym three to five times a week. I was jacked and confident. My sister used to hate how all of her friends would ask where I was as soon as they would come over and would always ask to see my chest tattoo that they had seen many times already as an excuse to get me to lift my shirt so that they could see my torso.

Then I got lazy for about five years and got out of shape. All of a sudden, I was fucking invisible. Eventually, I turned it around and even after working out for six month's and just starting to get it back, all of a sudden women would approach me. The office manager at work would come into my office and give me a shoulder massage while talking to me and trying to lead the conversation to find excuses for me to come to her house, using things like how she could really use someone to fix a cabinet door or something. The Admin assistant one night when everyone else had left early came in and sat on my lap and I am sure you know where that went.

Women say that they don't care and that it's what is on the inside that counts. They will say that to a guy with a good paycheck that serves a function while you are wondering why she never initiates sex and says that she has always had a low libido....which is bullshit because I've dated girls with Beta ex's that I knew when they were dating and having those issues and I could barely keep up with the girl because she would throw herself at me at any chance. Yeah. Low libido my ass.

[–]y0ussefhesham76 points77 points  (46 children) | Copy

It hurts so bad how I can relate to this. I just can’t push myself to start working out again man.. I hate how I currently look. I feel so weak and pathetic. I lost all my confidence.

[–]Dushbags123 points124 points  (21 children) | Copy

Hey man. One step at a time. Just go to the gym. You cant climb mount everest in a day.

[–]y0ussefhesham61 points62 points  (19 children) | Copy

You’re right. Thanks bro. On it!

[–]steve2000944 points45 points  (15 children) | Copy

I was in this same exact spot five years ago. I looked at myself in the mirror and hated how small I'd become. At the time I was lucky enough to be with a girl who didn't know me during my jacked days, so she assumed this was me. We were plenty sexually active, but that clearly increased as I started lifting again. She didn't work out much, so I had no one to push me. However, I realized it got a lot easier to get off my ass when I took it slow, and realized I just needed to take that first step. Just go one time, lift easy, maybe a little cardio to boot. For me, after two weeks of going three times a week, my body and mind got used to it and almost needed it. I didn't feel like I had a successful day unless I hit the gym. 3 days turned into 5 days, and 1 hour turned into 3 hour sessions. Set achievable goals for yourself at first, then once you achieve said goal, set a new group of goals. For me it all started with that first session, and not thinking about how long it would take me to get back to where I was. It'll happen, but don't put too much pressure on yourself. Just get there (to the gym), and the rest will fall in line.

[–]lokilis7 points8 points  (13 children) | Copy

I'm at the stage where I'm wanting to up my workouts from 3 days/week to more, but I don't know how to proceed. What would you recommend?

[–]Helmet_Icicle6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Look into a PPL (push-pull-legs) split. Six days a week, two days per muscle group.

It's great because although you'll technically have less frequency, you'll be able to have better intensity per muscle group as well as longer rest time. Also, if you miss a day for whatever reason then that's your off day and you can just pick back up the day after.

[–]godsbestgift16 points17 points  (10 children) | Copy

just fucking do it its not complicated wtf?

[–]riggedved16 points17 points  (9 children) | Copy

If its not complicated why dont you just fucking tell him what workout and what exercises he should add to his routine?

[–]Sumsar011 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you are just bodybuilding, just take what you do now and split it out in 4 days. Then add more volume as you go.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You work out 3 hours a day, 5 times a week?

[–]Dowhateverthe9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Once you get in a rhythm going to the gym and stop getting anxious about your gains every week, time flies by and you get jacked pretty fast, just need to have good nutrition and push your workouts to challenging, but fun to keep going. Keep pushing the amount of sets you're doing until you hit the max you're willing to do in a workout.

Recent science suggests that there is no immediate "overtraining" and more sets (20+ week per muscle group) give significantly higher gains than lower sets (6-10 sets per week per muscle group).

The more you train the faster you'll gain basically

Just don't kill yourself

[–]bonusfruit5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exchanges like these really take the wind out of people claiming this sub is toxic and radicalizing

[–]Aestheticcunt19960 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You mean Mount Olympus

[–]Basketcase77223 points24 points  (2 children) | Copy

You can ask a friend to go with you. Or you can go bit by bit. Someday you could pass by the Gym and get inside. Look around and ask the employees about something. Next time you can sign up. Start once a week.

When I started running I did that. It’s about consistency. Pick a day and hour. I chose Monday, Wednesday and Friday in the morning.

The thing is that everytime you do something to impress someone else, you won’t stay consistent. You need a selfish reason. I started running due to my anxiety, health and digestion. And I like it. I havent missed one day except if I’m on vacation. My conscience feels heavy when I don’t go. I made a promise to myself basically. I never miss a day.

[–]y0ussefhesham4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Baby steps it is! Thanks man!

[–]Zdeneksfilter2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I love this sub... you're sure to learn something new, or at least affirm something that you've always suspected to be true.

You're right about taking baby steps and progressing from there. Roughly a year and a half ago; I hated how unremarkable my legs were despite having a largish upper body... so I picked up running to at least build a foundation for beefing them up. I started with 200 meters and eventually cranked it all the way up to 5 miles a day. That was effective for my calves but it did nothing for my thighs. So I started cycling and worked my way up from 1 mile to around 5-6 every 5 days. Needless to say; the results have been astounding, and that was without doing much of heavy lifting, if at all. And just like you, I started running and cycling because of the dopamine injection they brought, which in turn undercut anxiety issues I had. I'm addicted to it at this point.

Also, I realized that sometimes, all we need is a "crutch" to make the process more consistent. In my case, adding headphones/music to my running routine increased its enjoyment infinitely, which led me to almost becoming desperate to go out running each day.

[–]VapeBlowCatipiller15 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy

Everyone wants to be a bodybuilder, but ain't no body want to lift these heavy ass weights. -- Ronnie Coleman

Go to gym. Lift weights. Don't let excuses get in your way (any). Cut out or down on the drinking (smoke weed if you have to if your in a legal state). Learn to cook and cook yourself healthy food. Make all this a priority.

If you fall off the wagon, because we all do, get back on when your heads back on straight. And keep this in mind, the muscle you gain today will never leave you. It's like a balloon and might deflate but inflating the old balloons is way easier then creating new ones.

You will never create new ones if you don't start right now.

[–]UpOnCloud93 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

I took a year off from a consistent gym routine since I’ve been traveling a lot, picked up being a vegetarian for a month and also experimented with fasting. My lifts were cut in half. And my body and legs are noticeable smaller. Is it true that it’s faster to “get it back?” I used to go regularly for years on end

[–]VapeBlowCatipiller0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Is it true that it’s faster to “get it back?” I used to go regularly for years on end

Absolutely. Size and strength will quickly return after being out only a year. The only time you will atrophy is if you spend years bed ridden.

[–]1empatheticapathetic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Going vegetarian destroys muscle. But you’ll get back to where you were much quicker. I just took 7 months off due to an injury and got back to my lifts in 2 weeks. But now I’m back in the same rut I was in before I’d stopped haha.

[–]Zdeneksfilter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you fall off the wagon, because we all do, get back on when your heads back on straight. And keep this in mind, the muscle you gain today will never leave you. It's like a balloon and might deflate but inflating the old balloons is way easier then creating new ones.

Very, very apt. I used to beat up myself for slipping up, which would sap away at my energy/desire to keep up the routine. I've since realized it's a lot easier to just get back on track and give zero fucks about 'messing up with consistency and progress'.

[–]recursiveentropy12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

My sincere advice from personal experience: Find a workout buddy, and set an agreed-upon schedule. He'll keep you in line, and you'll keep him in line. It's way easier to flake on a workout day when it's just you versus having to get shit from your workout buddy because you're too tired or lazy to make it that day.

[–]rocknrollchuck21 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy

What's the hardest exercise at the gym? Front door pulls.

[–]majaka12348 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Start with your diet.

You're going to eat anyway, right?

Buy a cheap slow cooker (or a nice one if you can afford it) and then look up some meal prep recipes on pinterest.

Buy all your groceries at once - hell, get them delivered if you want.

Not only is it going to be faster and cheaper to prepare a week of meals up front and then throw it into a slow cooker on your way to work - it's healthier and tastier too.

You'll drop $50 for a week of meals and have money left over since you won't need to rebuy spices and containers and shit.

Healthier, quicker, and it's like getting a free promotion because you can save all the money you were throwing away on $9 Starbucks.

This will have a bigger effect than going to the gym. But once you've got the meals prepped and going then you should figure out how to get to the gym

Yes, you could lose weigh from diet alone but you're not going to end up building muscle that way.

[–]Zdeneksfilter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My man.

Once I started cooking for myself in earnest, I could clearly see the effects that had on my physique 3 weeks later, despite working out less. You could be an absolute dog in the gym, lifting to the point where you get dizzy, but you won't get very far with a shit diet.

[–]obey_kush3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Read mini-habits you can find it in lib Gen, It could help you

[–]R41nmaker3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hey bro. I was “skinny fat” and I hated how I looked. Lifting heavy WILL burn fat. It won’t happen in a day, but it will take you months before seeing solid results. Also, meal prep as much as possible! I really started seeing results once I stopped eating out so much. Plus, you save a LOT of money.

[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Start stretching and walking instead of feel feel feelz and get to work. Love and hate mean nothing. Get to work and stop thinking about yourself, only your reps and goals.

[–]ririx212 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Start with at home calisthenics and a diet. Maybe read a page or two of a book. Try to do something small thats productive and then take a break for a little bit and then go do another small productive thing. Eventually your mind will start craving productivity. It all starts with your willpower though. “The man who said I can’t and the man who said I can are often both right.” What that means is if you say you can’t you already gave up. My friend is going through the same thing but with a breakup and he doesnt realize this. You can do it brother just start small we have are while lives ahead of us but you don’t have forever. Just do it it if you truly feel that way.

[–]Nocryingok2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

google Greasing the Groove

[–]tentei2262 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just think of all the confidence that you would get when you were lifting.

Now work out for like 20/30 sessions, and thats all you need when the outcome starts kicking in. Looking in the mirror of a better self of yourself, and noticing the confident boost doing wonder to your life.

Soon enough you will feel less pain and stress and lifting becomes an activity/event that makes you feel so good it becomes a healthy addiction.

[–]ClickHereToREEEEE1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I force myself to do it by thinking about Joe Rogan conquering his inner bitch: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k3J4sQcuPSY

[–]Lucky_SARMs1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just make a couple of changes at a time...lack of motivation is often largely diet related. My no. 1 mistake dieting was cutting calories by the 100s instead of the 10s or 20s. A lot of good sites offer balanced diets just to maintain your weight. Once your mood improves, you'll find the energy to workout, and eventually work out while cutting calories.

Fixing your diet and eating right is 70%. Working out with resistance training is another 25-27%. And cardio is basically just to shave calories.

That's it. Once you eat right your mood will improve...and sometimes that's all it takes. For me that's what made the difference and got me actual results. Shitty diet = shitty mood = shitty physique.

Best of luck

[–]y0ussefhesham7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

It hurts so bad how I can relate to this. I just can’t push myself to start working out again man.. I hate how I currently look. I feel so weak and pathetic. I lost all my confidence.

[–]NWDegenerate10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Only you can fix that then. Seriously, don't talk about how you are planning on going to the Gym because there are studies that show that telling someone that you plan to do something gets a positive response so your brain already feels rewarded and less motivated to do more, like actually go.

Just get up and go. No one else can get you there. Do it for yourself.

[–]_BeastOfBurden_8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Put on sneakers right now and download couch to 5k on your phone and do the first exercise. Take fucking action.

[–]anon393164 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

[–]TheGreatConst0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

For most guys though it would be unrealistic to expect that women will initiate everything themselves just because of them having muscles. It isn't enough. To get girls easily with your looks enough you should be handsome, athletic and not too short, your race will play a role too as well as your style. In other words, you need to be a "full package" looks-wise if you want to get girls just by existing. The guy who is 8/10 would get ten times less attention than the guy who is 10/10 and from lower quality girls as well.

In all other cases, you should have game, holding frame, initiate, etc.

[–]yomo860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Tables turned: I had a low libido during tough times at work. Being the 'men' 13h a day is daunting. I was still jacked. Strangly enough my woman was thinking I banged a hotter Stacy because, you know. Be strong, be self-sufficient always improve. As someone pointed out already women are a lagging indicator of success.

[–]SilverCloud730 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Unfortunately people here won’t understand that you need to be good looking to be treated like this

[–]Whopper_Jr13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

Women salivate when they see abs. Should start taking cheek swabs when I take off my shirt, might actually be involuntary

[–]MrSaiyan_333_0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

But can we become big AND still have abs without taking steroids?

[–]emd96291 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Big enough, women don't want a monster

[–]1scissor_me_timbers002 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It’s real simple. Humans like strength and fitness in other humans. I guess yeah many betas resent the competition. But women and children will have a default perspective of you as a grown strong male. What do women want? Strong mature males that can handle shit and display genetic/physical/social fitness cues. It’s actually incredibly simple and Darwinian when it clicks.

[–]TheFallingCosmos1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

That username is a tad bit concerning

[–]pilot3330 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

nothing wrong being jacked and juicy?

[–]Johnnyrock199-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy

And I love being jacked off. All these hoes out here just love my 21.7" dick 😎😎 /s just in case

[–]zboo1h188 points189 points  (17 children) | Copy

I love it when they tell you that. "Don't get too big, I don't like guys that are too big." and so on.

Bitch you just don't like competition.

[–]logosolos71 points72 points  (1 child) | Copy

Ding ding ding. Winner winner

[–]nicksaiz6512 points13 points  (6 children) | Copy

Would you argue that there is no such thing as "too big?" I've been lifting a couple years, I wanna take it all the way and look like a fitness model

[–]ionforge24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

One thing is for sure, you don't get "too big" by accident.

[–]PepeApuSmidgeMarvNog8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

If you aren’t taking gear it is impossible to get “too big”.

Now don’t get me wrong, it is possible to be “too big” for most women but when they mean that they mean some elite Olympia generic freak like Jay Cutler or Big Ramy.

[–]fitness43934 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

like Jay Cutler or Big Ramy

and then you're famous, so that raises your SMV to compensate.

[–]zboo1h5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's probably a subjective thing, but I don't personally think there is such a thing as too big, although I have heard stories of guys with enormous lats that can't wipe their own asses anymore. Those sound like urban legends, though.

Good on you, I hope you reach your goal. Although for me, I don't think I'll ever reach my goal. I am "Forever Small" because as soon as I get to a goal (either a body weight or 1RM) I just want another, bigger goal. The path is the goal. Good lifting!

[–]yomo860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

For me too big starts when steroids get involved or the body gets harmed by no rest time-outs. Other than that anything goes. Women usually never complain about their big perky tits or a firm bubble butt neither.

[–]Zdeneksfilter10 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy

It's even more hilarious when I run into guys who say "I'm scared about lifting as I don't want to get too big. You might want to consider that too, blah blah."

Worrying about gaining too much muscle is like fussing over getting too much money.

[–]zboo1h7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

Those guys are women.

But honestly there are new things to concern yourself about the bigger you get, the same as when your wealth grows. Like for instance I had to have 5 pairs of pants tailored because my legs wouldn't fit in them anymore and I couldn't button them.

[–]fitness43931 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Low key triggered when I hear the word tailored. I spent thousands on a tailored wardrobe to fit my slender body 18 months ago (suits, sports jackets, ton of nice party dress shirts), then I started lifting, and now all these brand new tailored clothes are useless lol.

[–]zboo1h1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly what happened to me. Lots of places you buy the clothes from have decent rates for tailoring though if you bring them clothes that they sold you.

Only drawback is that you can only tailor clothes so much before you run out of material to work with.

[–]BonusCheckz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's even more hilarious when I run into guys who say "I'm scared about lifting as I don't want to get too big. You might want to consider that too, blah blah."

Worrying about gaining too much muscle is like fussing over getting too much money.

The easiest way to tell somebody has never been actually challenged in thier workouts is the statement "I dont want to get huge" or some variation of it.

Motherfucker. Ive been actively trying to get huge for years. Still not there. Those statements belittle the people that have put the work in, like its so easily attainable.

[–]SilverCloud730 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Completely wrong, most women are repulsed by roided bodies

[–]Stron2g230 points231 points  (16 children) | Copy

As a man, your body is one of the only things you can actually control.

Being fit demonstrates to women your ability to handle your shit. Your discipline and more importantly, commitment. This is a masculine trait 100%. Remember that the idea of strong male commitment is the females biggest turn on.

[–]Coolrubbings118 points119 points  (3 children) | Copy

This guy gets it.

If you can’t commit to your own body, how the fuck can you commit to anything else?

[–]Zech4riah-3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy

There is plenty of rich/wealthy guys with worse than average physique who have their companies going on and work long hours. Are you saying they can't commit on something?

Are you on steroids? Do you shave your armpits? Do you like to mirror yourself daily and flex?

You seem the kind of guy whose success criteria is based on physique. How would you feel like if you lost your physique and muscles? It's not smart to base your confidence and identity on muscles (believe me, I've had a thought on this).

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[–]Zech4riah1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol, I doubt you got my point.

I totally got it, I just disagree with it because the way you write tells me otherwise. It takes one to know another.

I wouldn’t « lose » my physique unless I became a lazy fuck or if I got a bad injury.

Exactly, injury, accident etc that you couldn't keep yourself in shape anymore. About an year ago I noticed that I base my identity way too much to my physique. The confidence should come within, not how you look like or how much you lift. I still think that if I lost my ability to workout and do sports and lose my physique, I would be devastated but I'm working on that and you seem to be a person who should be doing that as well because the way you respond to messages seems like that you base a lot of your indentity on "being that fit guy".

Could you go a month without doing anything physical (no need to eat and get fat). Maybe some yoga and walking or something similar really light to releave static strain. I couldn't because I would hate it how my physique would take a hit and I would lose muscle and strength.

Also my point was that you can be commited to things without being in good shape (what's why I took wealthy/rich chubby guys as an example).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Discipline & commitment are not solely masculine traits, that's bullshit. However they are certainly traits of desirable mates.

[–]PIQAS253 points254 points  (14 children) | Copy

this is like a poem that makes me wanna go hit the gym for the 2nd time today lol

[–]Coolrubbings83 points84 points  (13 children) | Copy

If you still have it in you, go. If not, hit the gym even harder tomorrow.

[–]TorchedSky62 points63 points  (8 children) | Copy

If you're lifting hard enough the first time your muscles should be so taxed you CANT go again the same day

[–]UltraCarnivore26 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy

And shouldn't in the next (for the same muscle group)

[–]skippwiggins10 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy

There’s ALWAYS something you can do for a second time. Cardio, abs, calves, forearms, or traps. All muscles that rarely get worked and can be worked almost everyday. Even if it’s a light swim and the hot tub, sometimes I love going twice a day. Just dont go twice to do two major muscle groups.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy

There's also CNS fatigue. Rest and Nutrition are more important than lifting.

[–]skippwiggins-3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Oh absolutely. Muscles are made in the kitchen. I eat so much quality food, I don’t think I’ve ever over trained in my life. I could see someone out of shape who only eats fast food over training and under recovering. I’m also ON cycle right now, so I don’t see any over training in my future, esp for the next 16 weeks lol.

[–]Korrangar0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Come on, it's like a recipe, you need all ingredients

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Careful with lifting too much, you could seriously injure yourself if you routinely do this and are just an amateur. Someone working out that hard needs a crazy diet and possibly a trainer as well.

[–]404_Doxnotfound4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I’ve been there, I thought my body was shutting down, muscles locking up, lethargic to the point I crashed for nearly 15 hours. It is very possible to overtrain. The key as he mentioned is to eat right, sleep right and I would add to listen to your body.

Go back to the gym, but take it light. Walk it off.

[–]Zdeneksfilter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

nd I would add to listen to your body.

Jean Claude preaches this all the time, and it must be effective since he's looked like a god all his life (even now). However, this is advice that is better suited for experienced lifters as opposed to newbies.

[–]11-Eleven-110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just no. Thats how you hurt yourself then you're out for a month. Just because you can train that hard without hurting yourself doesn't mean other people can.

[–]harry_powell78 points79 points  (3 children) | Copy

It's fine to start lifting because you want to be jacked, but honestly, if that was the only benefit I'd have stopped at month 3 and never gone back. The reason why I continued is due to it enormously helping with my depression, how it basically eliminated my severe backpain issues, how I started to have a lot more energy during the day and better mood... I could go on all day.

And don't get me wrong, girls will pay a lot more attention to you after being jacked, but that just feels like a nice bonus compared with everything else you get.

Start now.

[–]largepaycheckaddict4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Same man. The gym is my antidepressant. Not only does it help with being in an emotional funk, but it also helps with productivity in other areas of life. When I am depressed I can’t get nearly as much done cause I don’t have that “let’s fucking get it” attitude the gym helps cultivate.

[–]SteveUrkel9990 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I can relate to both of you; having a shitty day, start my workout and half way through music is on and I'm dancing and singing as well.

[–]silent_dominant1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have the least body aches (neck, back, etc) in the periods where I'm lifting consistently.

Reason enough for me to keep it up

[–]Truedemocracy6138 points139 points  (10 children) | Copy

"I like the Dad Bod" to women is the "does this dress make me look fat" too men. She says this while squeezing your chubby love handles to not hurt your feelings and to continue the comfort gravy train. I have friends whose wives and GFs tell them this, yet at cookouts or pool parties they are all trying to touch me

"I dont like guys with too much muscles" IS a thing. But when women say this they think cover of bodybuilding magazine, when men hear this they think "good, dont have to touch weights and can train for that 5k!". It is I-M-P-O-S-S-I-B-L-E to reach the 'too muscular' realm for women naturally. Look up natty bodybuilders or top natty lifters. Decade of training, on point diet, and great genetics yet they never pass into the 'gross' territory.

That said vascularity and definition is key. You will never see a bloat lord powerlifter smash hot thots. You want to be big as possible with your body fat around the 12% range (or lower if you are capable) to get strong results.

Lifting is crucial. So many guys go the beta bux route to get women. Need a nice car, need a nice suit, need to work 60+ hours to make money. Sure if you want that go ahead - but getting strong will let you fuck anyone you want without killing yourself for it. Much better route.

[–]Pillbugs_Guns51 points52 points  (1 child) | Copy

"I prefer the dad bod" = I prefer someone who is too lazy and undisciplined to ever dream of leaving me, because he knows I'm the best he can get, despite being totally average myself. I prefer someone who will let me make them my emotional tampon and resource hub in exchange for pity sex once a month, because he doesn't devote any time to working on himself. I prefer someone with low self worth and self esteem, because it's easy and comfortable and I never have to put in any actual work of my own.

She says she prefers these things, but we all know her actions say otherwise. You think given a no-consequences choice between Joe dad bod and fight club era Brad Pitt, she's really going to go with flabby arms and a beer gut? Women are exceptionally good at tricking themselves into believing they 'love' these men, but what they really love is how comfortable and low effort it is for them. She loves how he makes her feel, she doesn't love him.

[–]tentei2260 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So true I feel like my younger self is getting attacked.

[–]Coolrubbings75 points76 points  (2 children) | Copy

Excellent points all around.

No matter your height, your race, or your income, having a strong, lean body is the ultimate cheat code.

It speaks to something primal in the female brain, something they might not even realize.

[–]SirCoolJerk6936 points37 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your middle sentence is probably the most important fact in human history.

[–]maximusnaya17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ultimate cheat code LOL. yes sir!

[–]Greaterbird24 points25 points  (2 children) | Copy

"I dont like guys with too much muscles" IS a thing.

It is, but not in the way chubby basement boys think. She still prefers a body that takes some kind of achievement or self control to have, like rock climber guys. No one wants fatties for their bodies outside of people with specific fetishes for that sort of thing.

[–]FinallyRed2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I can't help but think that the guys who are actually "too muscly" given they're meeting face to face are maybe 1% of 1% of fit men. Up close she is dwarfed in size and sees their muscles rippling with every movement, sees the respect they instantly get from other guys, and that they aren't actually as intimidating as they look. They also aren't covered in fucking veins for much of the year.

[–]Truedemocracy60 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They exist, go to any major gym. But like you said maybe 2-3 guys at the entire gym reach that level and they are heavily juiced

[–]silent_dominant1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"yet at cookouts or pool parties they are all trying to touch me"

I read cuckouts and it's surprisingly fitting

[–]BonusCheckz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"I like dad bods" = I dont want want to be obligated to put effort in also

[–]minorsplsdmme66 points67 points  (6 children) | Copy

I started working out to get girls but then I realised there's a lot more to it. Lifting reminds me of what it feels like to be a man. If I skip a couple of days, I forget and have to be reminded again. Lifting properly takes hard work and gives a deep sense of fulfillment which nobody can take away from you. You sleep well because you know you respect yourself. You have more energy and feel like doing more useful things with your time. You feel valuable and capable in life to achieve anything you want.

[–]chang3up22 points23 points  (3 children) | Copy

Amen. When I used to think about getting girls, I couldn't bring myself to adopt the level of discipline required. Now I lift for myself, go to the gym almost every day, and love it. I also found that, once I started lifting for myself, it's like I'm the only one in the gym. Everybody else is invisible.

It's a selfish pursuit, and that's what I love about it.

[–]gains_o_clock4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

What changed your mindset to be able to lift solely for yourself? I want to eventually achieve this

[–]chang3up6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

1) I used to be desperate for female attention. Realized after years of therapy that relationship with mother was really rocky; it's slowly improving.

2) I have struggled with depression for years; as a result, being neurotic and self-loathing came all too naturally to me. After years of succumbing to these forces, I found myself instead thinking of things I hated about myself and inventing ways to fix them.

2A) Examples include:

Hate that you don't meet girls? Go to a party and turn up the charm.
Hate that your pecs are flabby? Chest exercises for days.
Hate that there's not enough time to get your work done and still enjoy your life? Wake up earlier and eat properly.

The list goes on and on.

3) I also found setting extremely small goals was an excellent motivator whenever I start anything; next thing you know, the goals get bigger as you do.

Also, this video is supposed to be comedy, but it has a lot in it that I go back to when I need to keep my eyes forward. Do let me know if you have any follow-up questions!

Edit: formatting

[–]gains_o_clock3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh man I love brosciencelife. Thanks for the answer bro and good luck with the rest of your journey

[–]TitusBjarni9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes. It hardens your mind. That's useful in just about everything you do in life. Therefore you should do it whether women like it or not.

[–]_do_not_read_this_48 points49 points  (6 children) | Copy

Listen kids: I'm fifty-*cough* years old. I lifted heavy in high school, again in my '30s. I started lifting heavy again about a year ago, joined a gym last March because I ran out of iron in the apartment "fitness room."

About five months in, all of a sudden women started touching my arms, my shoulders, for no reason. One lady grabbed my ass at a freaking business networking event!

Now, I'm a grown ass man, and these are grown ass women who know how to behave. But it's almost like you can see the flutter down in their deep lady parts, like they can't help themselves, like they're licking their chops.

"I don't have time" fuck you dont. My lifting takes 40 minutes, call it an hour with driving there and back, that's it.

If you go to the gym and don't fuck around on your phone, that's all you need.

[–]VapeBlowCatipiller16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lol we got similar stories. Also 50, worked out all through my 20s. Stopped mid 30 for a few years...drank, ate, got the dad bod. Started up again. Got jacked again. Got hurt and stopped again. About 4 years ago, I was fat and unhappy after booze, food, and couch potato isms. Hit gym hard again. Harder than even in my 20s. Today I feel fucking great again. Like I'm 15 years younger then I was 5 years ago.

[–]Zdeneksfilter4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Truly inspirational. I'm nowhere near as old as you guys are.... I'm 27. But I can say that after steady exercise these past 2 years or so, it's crazy how great I feel these days. I don't recall feeling this powerful and explosive ever.

[–]silent_dominant5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Fit body+nice clothes in your 50's puts you above 99% of your competitors and you an probably score 20yr olds if that's your thing.

In my 30s now, thanks for the reminder to keep it up.

[–]SilverCloud730 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The only way you can be 99% is by having an attractive face

[–]rdaneeloliv4w2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

"I don't have time" fuck you dont. My lifting takes 40 minutes, call it an hour with driving there and back, that's it.

This. People try to make things so complicated that they never get started. Even just focusing on 4-5 compound lifts (squat, deadlift, bench, overhead press, pullups) 3-4 times a week it would make a huge difference.

[–]Iamthespiderbro44 points45 points  (4 children) | Copy

My bud and I were partying on a beach a couple summers ago. Met this group of 3 or 4 girls. My buddy in his pre red pill days was rocking the full on dad bod at the time and I was/am pretty jacked.

Somehow it got brought up, and they all agreed that “all girls love dad bods”. Conversation went on for about a half hour. I wasn’t necessarily arguing against them, but I was curious to hear what justifications their hamster wheels could come up with cause I had also seen quite a few girls on dating sites state the same thing. Topic got dropped, but we ended up hanging out with them the rest of the day.

Needless to say, only one of us hooked up that night, and I’ll leave it to you to guess who.

[–]pigeon_exe15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's the motherly instinct. Rather than seeing them as breeding material, dad bods are a non-threatening thing to take care of (ie. Build self esteem and not hurt feelings)

[–]gorilla_bro36 points37 points  (4 children) | Copy

I like the part about not telling anyone about what you do or how often you workout. Don’t post it all over social media. Can’t stress this enough. You are not mysterious if you post your whole life on IG. You don’t want women to know how often you train and how hard you train. Make it seem like it’s nothing. Good post my man.

[–]Coolrubbings19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy


I’ve seen so many guys post their « workout » online, only to stop working out soon after. They just wanted the boost of validation that social media has gotten us used to.

People have no appreciation for how long it takes to actually look like you lift.

Let the results speak for themselves.

[–]tentei2261 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Its the same as speaking out loud our ambition.

The more we talk about it, the less we want to actually do it.

[–]_do_not_read_this_14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Act like you've been there a 1000 times before.

In all things.

[–]Reverenter35 points36 points  (13 children) | Copy

Remember, it’s not just the muscles - it’s also what they represent.

Lifting is the ultimate equalizer. You can’t buy big muscles. You can inherit favorable genes, but you can’t inherit big muscles. Every jacked guy you see earned his physique by busting his ass - no exceptions. That guy wearing the Rolex? Yeah he could be rich, or it could be a gift. That guy over there in the Porsche? Could be living in his mom’s basement. But that jacked motherfucker over there? You know he worked for that shit, and women know it too. They know he takes care of himself, they know he works hard, they know he is relentless. They know he is willing to endure pain to get what he wants. It’s a primal understanding that’s immediately known without needing any thought.

Good write-up brother.

[–]lala_xyyz-2 points-1 points  (12 children) | Copy

You can’t buy big muscles

Yes you can, it's called steroids.

[–]CarfentBoofer2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah bro just inject test you'll be massive instantly

[–]lala_xyyz-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't juice, but I'm just saying that you can literally buy muscles with steroids, and it's very cheap as well (cheaper than most quality supplements)

[–]somestupid0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

You're literally clueless if you think that's how it works.

Coming from a guy on steroids, please don't do steroids.

If you think you can just inject hormones and wake up the next day huge, then you have a lot of reading to do. Go spew your worthless ideas elsewhere.

[–]lala_xyyz0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

[–]somestupid0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

What about 4 weeks after they stop taking supraphisiological doses of steroids? What about all the time after that? Where are the results at those times? The study doesn't account for that.

I'll tell you what happens 4 weeks after. Once you ruin your natural ability to produce testosterone, your muscles return to baseline or lower (because you have lower than your natural levels).

So sure. You're potentially, theoretically correct. You can take the short vacuum of time that the subjects are on steroids, not working out, and say "hey, they have bigger muscles than natural men!" And, with that, entirely miss the bigger picture.

These subjects would have to keep supplementing with the same level of steroids to maintain the little amount they gain while not working out (did you look at how much they gain in the study btw? It's not that significant). This is not a feasible solution, and is terrible for your heart and overall health. Even the people who do retarded doses of stuff on the roids sub don't stay on it forever.

So what are the options? You can take steroids, mess up your natural ability to produce testosterone (possibly permanently). Then what? You have to continue taking steroids. If you take them at normal human male levels, like TRT, you're not going to have the enlarged muscles 4 weeks later that you got from the supraphisiological dose.

Or you can just stay natural because fucking up your natural levels for 3 months of very small, temporary gains that go away when you stop is beyond retarded.

[–]lala_xyyz0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

What about 4 weeks after they stop taking supraphisiological doses of steroids? What about all the time after that? Where are the results at those times? The study doesn't account for that.

it doesn't matter really, that wasn't the original point argued. and let's be honest, the vast majority guys on drugs do it for a lifetime so it doesn't matter. they get addicted to low-effort gains and big muscles. of course they'll lose shitload of lean muscle mass off-cycle, but if you want to grow muscle the point was that yes - you can literally buy it. and it's actually relatively cheap, a bottle of test is much cheaper than taking ordinary supplements and taking care of what you eat for 5x as much time.

[–]somestupid0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

it doesn't matter really, that wasn't the original point argued.

If we are going to be pedantic like this, then the original argument was that you can buy big muscles with money via steroids. I disagree. According to the study you posted, doing steroids and not working out gives you about 12 weeks worth of natural lifting. Have you lifted 12 weeks? That's not "big muscle" territory. Try years.

[–]lala_xyyz0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If you stop working out you'll also lose muscles. As I said, vast majority of streoid users are on it for life. What is your point exactly? I'm in my third year of lifting, I'm not huge but I'm pretty strong and still on almost linear progress. I can't complain.

[–]somestupid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My point is steroids aren't just some magic bullet "just pay money and get huge" type of thing. It's really easy to mess up with it. It fucks with both physical and mental health. There's a lot of factors to consider.

You grossly misrepresented what steroids are and how they work, and I don't want some dumb schmuck to get influenced by that.

There's a lot to say on the topic, and I don't think I'm convincing anyone at this point so I will save my breath and let you have the last word. I don't have regret getting on steroids myself, but if I could go back in time I wouldn't do it again.

[–]Juicymedic970 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I know plenty of guys blasting tren that don’t look like they’ve ever seen the inside of a gym.

[–]Snowpeartea27 points28 points  (35 children) | Copy

I have been going very consistently to the gym for 2 years now. Started around 135-137

First year a lot of gains (+10-15lbs in body mass). A lot stronger in all my lifts. Now I fluctuate between 145-153lbs.

year 2.... Unfortunately not much difference. Still trying to progress load but joints hurt and whenever I eat less carbs I feel like I have no energy to push the weights.

Someone open my eyes please. I can't seem to go to the next level. Maybe if I need to quit porn or something

Edit: thank you to everyone's great replies! I ll add more info 1. I have always been around <10% bf until I started working out. 2. 2nd year very little to no progression around 11-15% bf. First year went from squating 95 to 225 and hit 1rm for squat and deadlift at 295. 2nd year stuck only able to maintain ... Cannot do more than 1 and cannot do any heavier than this even by 5lbs. Surprisingly for bench I have been going up which is nice from 135 to 175. 3. Starting out my 3rd year and want some insight on how I can be more productive or get better results. Basically had 1 whole year of working out with almost no results or could be 6-8months BUT for a Long time 4. I do play a sport 3-4 times a week, I count that as my cardio. Not super intense but I do sweat a bit here and there.

[–]CryptoViceroy49 points50 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like you probably just need to eat more food.

If you're trying to pack on size you don't cut carbs.

[–]Coolrubbings41 points42 points  (4 children) | Copy

You need to eat more damn food. And give your body appropriate rest.

Gains always slow down at some point, your body will resist your attempts to gain muscle, so you need to push to the next level by eating more and lifting heavier.

[–]Snowpeartea-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy

I am not that tall, any heavier I ll look too bulky. Kind of want to cut down bf hence eating less carbs

[–]Proto_Sigma4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

You need a program for your goals then. What’s your current bf% and where do you want it to be?

As an example- I’m at 14.6% right now. I’d like to be at 10% or less- I’ve always wanted to have a six pack. There are 3500 calories per lb of fat so I’m running a caloric deficit of ~500 cal a day, jogging a few miles each morning, and doing high volume low weight compound lifts at the gym. You need to eat about 1g of protein to maintain your muscle mass so I’m tracking my macros and making sure I’m giving them enough to keep them around and working them hard enough that my body won’t I’m also doing light ab work on my rest days to tone up my core. If all goes to plan I’ll be down 10lbs of fat and right around 10%bf by the end of March. Then I can spend the rest of the year shooting for a slow clean bulk, eating healthy but at a 500 cal surplus and doing lower rep, higher weight work.

If you want to cut before you bulk that’s more than fine. But whatever you do-lift! Also eat less to cut and more bulk and plan your lifts accordingly

[–]Snowpeartea0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Are you able to build strength even if you go on caloric deficit? Do I have to choose between strength and 6 pack abs? I heard 12-15% bf is best for building strength

[–]Proto_Sigma1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's difficult to pack on muscle during a caloric deficit but it's still possible to build strength in a limited fashion. Strength is functional so there's a neurological as well as a physical component. What that means in layman's terms is the more you do an exercise or certain type of movement the more efficiently your brain can direct your body. If you keep doing an exercise with proper form, especially a new exercise, you can still pick up strength in that specific motion.

The best you can shoot for on a cut is to maintain what muscle you have. If you're eating enough protein during your cut to maintain them ( generally 1g per lb of bodyweight) and you're regularly working your muscles your body will avoid cannibalizing the tissue because it doesn't need protein specifically and because it will regard those muscles as high priority.

Take it from me as someone who spent years trying- it is very difficult to add muscle and cut fat at the same time. It's easiest with beginner gains and if you change your lifestyle to promote a better hormone balance (raise testosterone, which promotes lean mass, and cut cortisol, which promotes fat retention) you can get some results but the best way to do it at intermediate or advanced levels is to prioritize one at a time.

I've never had a 6 pack, but most research indicates that it becomes visible at about 8-12% bf depending on the man. You can target the abs specifically with certain exercises to increase muscle tone (more prominently abdominal muscles will become more visible more quickly) but you've got to shed off a certain layer of fat.

Once you have six pack abs you can pivot back to strength. If you're bulking properly (clean diet, ~500 cal surplus) you can minimize additional fat while putting on about .5lbs of muscle per week (ideally).

P.S. Use this calculator to help you out. There are others like it, but this is my favorite.

[–]muricanwerewolf113 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

Eat more unless you’re actually trying to lose fat. You can’t gain and lose unless you’re on the skittles. I’d also wonder if you’re not giving your tendons and joints sufficient rest, lower volume might be necessary. You might also consider dropping the weight on all of your lifts and focusing on technique, with the idea of giving your tendons and joint a little less of a beating.

[–]itmarcel1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You certainly can cut and gain muscle, but you have to OD on protein. And it sounds like he has connective tissue problems. Longer rests for that

[–]maximusnaya1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Focus on technique. Wisdom here. Yes Sir!

[–]1kenpachitz11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Had the same issue.

Went away once I switched off a Linear Progression program (Greyskull LP) onto something slower (5/3/1).

I was basically maxing out intensity in every session thinking I could get more progress when the truth is I’d hit the ceiling on my linear progress.

[–]Greek-God-Brody2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Try high reps, bodybuilding training if your joints hurt with low reps

[–]TurdFerguson8122 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

For me the solution was eating more protein...a lot more. 1g/lb of your body weight every day. I never realized just how much protein 175g is until I really started tracking it.

[–]Kurokaffe2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

You’re going to have to make a decision on how much time you want to devote to this. If you’re willing to spend time on the gym and are really committed to improving yourself you need to:

(1) Make sure your recovery is on point. You can train pretty retarded kind of hard if you sleep enough, don’t have a lot of other stress in your life, and do active recovery (walking, light fun “cardio”) and/or recovery modalities (sauna, cold/contrast showers, meditation/yoga).

(2) If you’re new to this stuff, pick a goal and focus on it. a. Get strong. b. Add LBM. c. Get shredded. Typically (a) or (b) are better first, but if you’re unhappy with your body (c) is not so bad because it can be a really good learning opportunity if you actually accomplish it. Of course, if you’re like 20% BF and you’re not huge to begin with, getting shredded is gonna take a long time and there won’t be muscle there when it happens.

(3) Make sure your technique is on point. As a sort of corollary point, I’d also add experimenting with different lifts/variations. Check out John Meadows’ channel. He’s incredibly talented and has a ton of different variations to accomplish different nuisances in bodybuilding.

(4) Trying harder. This gets memed a lot, but I think the mental part of lifting is so important. If you can get out of the big box gym and find a crew to train with in a smaller setting, you will see gains I guarantee it.

Most posts don’t detail their entire history of human being. Tailor your expectations. Mosts posts that are like “I hit the gym for 1.5 years and got huge and shredded” are either full of BS, by someone who was likely a high level athlete for most of their life but just didn’t lift much, they used some kind of pharmaceutical, or they just hit the genetic jackpot. There is genetic variation, and some people see gains incredibly easy, and for some training doesn’t produce as much results (it’s a bell curve, most people fall in the middle).

It’s really not that complicated, but it’s not as easy as hit the gym 3 x a week for 45 minutes as some make it out to be.

[–]Snowpeartea0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What is lbm? I think I might need to focus on more recovery and de stressing. Life has been pretty tough these couple of years especially the financial part. But working out has helped me on focusing on the good stuff and confidence.

[–]Kurokaffe1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lean body mass. Another way of saying “get big” but keep yourself in check and make sure you’re adding quality weight and not bulking into a blob.

[–]AriaRz2213 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

Quit masturbation for 6 months and see the change.

[–]GoldenKnight23916 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy

Good advice a lot of times, but that's not why OP isn't seeing results.

[–]AriaRz220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well for slower gains ive heard guys take more protein and supplements. Well, semen retention is just like protein shake, when you lose that much nutrients.

[–]404_Doxnotfound1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The body is always adapting. Hitting a plateau is something ALL bodybuilders experience. You need to step up your progressive overload, sleep 8 hours and a lot more quality food.

I meant to emphasize eating a lot more food, but it should be quality food as well. If you are running a maintenance diet, you will see maintenance level results.

[–]Zech4riah1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

Add gelatin to your diet. You are eating only probably muscle meat and missing important ingredients to support your joints. Gelatin fixes that and also adds nice profile of amino acids to support your brain functions and digestion(helps with sleep, gut health etc.). It's low calorie and gives you nice boost in protein intake. Consider eating atleast 20-30g of your daily protein as gelatin.

You can consume it as raw (warm water where you mix 2-3 tablespoons of gelatin) or you can make after workout "recovery jelly" of gelatin and orange juice (healthy carbs and protein in the same mix).

[–]Snowpeartea0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Oh I like jelly Lol. Been cutting down sugar never touched jelly in a while.

[–]Zech4riah1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Processed sugars are a bit bad but naturally occurring sugars (like natural organic orange juice) are not.

It's a myth that sugar is bad for you when used in moderation. It gives you a nice boost in glucose levels in your blood, which on the other hand makes hypothalamus notice that there is energy available -> releases GnRH to pituary -> pituary releases Luteinizing Hormone -> Luteinizing Hormone tells testicles to produce more Testosterone.

Now if you talks about those "typical" jellys you buy from food store - they can be compared to candy and are a different story than my suggested self-made recovery jelly:

  • 1 cup of water (warm it up)
  • Dissolve 2 tablespoons (or 14-28grams) of gelatin to it
  • If you want, add some L-carnitine powder ~4grams to make androgen receptors more receptive
  • Add 1 cup of organic orange juice (or whatever you prefer, I prefer organic natural pomegrenate juice)
  • Mix it up and put it to the fridge for 2 hours
  • Enjoy

Much better than any (processed) sugar and transfat filled recovery drinks.

  • Gelatin: Helps with joint helath and sleep. Increases 5a reductase activity (More DHT which is more potent androgen than Testosterone)
  • Carnitine - Increase andrgen Receptor density (there is no use for testosterone without receptors which receive the testosterone and make it active.)
  • Fructose pushes your SHBG down and it doesn't bind your testosterone so more testosterone and dht remain bioavailable. And also lets your body create more T because of the reasons I explained at the second paragraph.

[–]Snowpeartea0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

And I can buy all these at the grocery store?

[–]Zech4riah1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Depends, if it's a big grocery store you will probably find carnitine as powder from there. Orange juice definitely (just don't buy the cheapest one which is based on water instead of actual squeezed orange juice/concentrate).

I'm not sure about gelatin but it's easy to order it from iherb. I prefer Great Lakes unflavored beef hide Gelatin.

[–]Snowpeartea0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks so much. Let me try that out. I don't know if it's joint but I just feel pain around the joint area even when I take the stairs lol

[–]maximusnaya0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

One solution seems to be raising your reps or the weight lifted. Raise your standards ... if you can (sometimes a good self challenge is the thing you need to start your inner fire).

Hope it helps.

[–]Ivan_The_Reddish0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

What's your height? You say you're worried about looking bulky, but unless you're 5'4", 150 isn't going to be close to your max.

Spoiler: You're not eating enough.

[–]Snowpeartea0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

5'7 - I feel like around 150 looks like a good weight. My whole life I have been single digit bf%. Since 2 years ago I started to be around 11-15%. Kind of want to tone up a bit and go to 10 or 9

[–]Ivan_The_Reddish1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Obviously this depends on what your final goals are, but given that your current weight puts you solidly in the "average" weight category based on BMI you're probably actually a bit underweight. (Those weight categories were created back when everyone wasn't getting enough to eat.) But your choices at the moment are basically to get bigger then lean out, or lean out then get bigger. Seeing as how you seem to have little problem leaning out, I'd suggest getting bigger first. Look at it long term: You may have to hide your abs for a few months, but you'll make it farther in the end.

For your joints and such, there could really be any number of issues causing it. Ones to look at would be form (doing an exercise incorrectly), volume (doing too much), imbalances (doing too much of one exercise but not enough of another), or the exercise itself (people have come up with some truly stupid lifts, which are more likely to hurt you than help you).

Since I don't know your routine I cant give you specific advice. But generally speaking if you're doing a high volume routine try switching it up a bit for a low volume-high intensity routine such as starting strength. If you're benching all the time but not doing much else for your shoulders try (overhead) pressing and chin/pull ups. Eating more protein, especially glycine, can help. Add two cups of broth with a tablespoon of dissolved gelatin to a meal every day or every other day. Or start getting chicken skin-on and eating the skin. Muscle meat is low in glycine, but it's one of the main amino acids that make up tendons and the other gristly parts.

[–]Snowpeartea1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thank you so much! I had a similar though that I might be over working and considered lowering the volume, I find myself at the squad rack for like over an hour sometimes. I do 3x5 warm up sets then 3x3 sets slowly going higher and closer to my pr then another 5x5 at a same weight as the first working set.

seems like the solution is to BULK to maybe 170 then cut!

[–]Ivan_The_Reddish0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

When you say slowly going up to reach your working sets, what kind of jumps in weight are you making? And yeah, if you're doing 3x3 for each bit of weight, that'll be an awful lot of volume.

[–]Zdeneksfilter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hi man, I've seen someone recommend eating more and I'd say that makes lots of sense.

Check this out. In fact, I recommend everything on that site.

[–]Juicymedic970 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

How tall are you? How many calories do you eat per day and what is your sleep like?

[–]Snowpeartea0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

5'7 or 170cm on a good day. I eat 3 meals and drink a protein shake everytime I work out.

My new year resolution is to sleep before 11 and try to get full 7-8 hours of sleep. Before the new year I have been sleeping around 5-6 on days I work and 7-9 on days I don't to make up for it.

[–]pavan230422 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have been both skinny and jacked. Got laid only when I was jacked.

[–]idrwierd18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

Janet Weiss from the film Rocky Horror Picture Show told her boyfriend Brad that she ‘didn’t like men with too many muscles’, then fucked Dr. Frank N. Furter’s muscular creation

[–]hello-imreddit14 points15 points  (5 children) | Copy

This is gold, I'm 3 months into trp got a weekend job, started nofap, focused on studies and going to get that gym membership right now. Been doing calisthenics for a month, I'm getting stronger but not much size since I'm pretty slim. Thanks for the kick up the ass, weights will be a new and probably uncomfortable but that's the only path to greatness. Trp has to be the best discovery of my fucking life.

[–]Coolrubbings8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

Trust me man, there will be no better day than the one where you look at yourself in the mirror and go, « damn, I’m getting bigger ».

Relentless self improvement, that’s the only way.

[–]hello-imreddit1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Definitely bro. Only problem i highly dislike the machines in the gym so it'll mainly be the free weights but progress is progress:)

[–]renaldobalkmanbucket1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Should be free weights strictly for the first six months imo. Dumbbells and kettles are amazing for joints and tendons. If you train machines first you’ll create uneven muscles and poor stabilizers which will lead to injury long term. After a few months on DB it kettles, incorporate barbells. By then you should be pressing, squating, and deadlifting dumbbells or kettles are a solid technique and weight. Barbells help add more weight which will lead to size gains. After you build a solid base with those three tools, if you want to refine individual muscles, THEN consider machines. But even then, free weights should be at the center of your programming. Machines help fill in the gaps, that’s it

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Make sure to eat right and enough protein. Noob gains are a thing but if you ignore nutrition, you’re asking for trouble.

[–]hello-imreddit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Been tracking all my food and supplements with my fitness pal for about a month now so I'm set, appreciate the heads up.

[–]4ktx92 points93 points  (11 children) | Copy

5ft3 Chad here. I get felt up by females regularly. Skinny vs muscles, is the equivalent to small chested vs big chested females.

[–]Coolrubbings73 points74 points  (2 children) | Copy

Got crazy respect for you bro, you’re owning that physique 100%.

Getting felt up by women feels like crack cocaine.

[–]4ktx74 points75 points  (1 child) | Copy

Bro I literally get sexually assaulted.

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[–]4ktx7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

No that assumes to each there own. Skinny men pull shorties the all time.

[–]VSelf4714 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

It even goes around that other men start saying how jacked you are and how “I could never be like that, it’s too hard” shit they say.

[–]staytrue198531 points32 points  (4 children) | Copy

I dont like big tits. Firm and perky is better than utters.

[–]Rapante58 points59 points  (0 children) | Copy

Until you meet the one with big firm tits... It's rare and glorious.

[–]LollipopFlip21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy

Idk man, sometimes I love them utters grace my face as I'm pounding away while she rides. It's pretty fantastic

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[–]Nergaal12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

because muscles on a man are like tits and ass on a woman.

I think this should b said more often, because even autists will get it.

[–]Marmalade_Knight44 points45 points  (6 children) | Copy

I guess Latin American women are different, not a single one of my plates tries to hide the fact that they love my muscles and the tree trunks I've got for legs. I went through a lazy phase a couple months ago, stopped going to the gym for a while and I could tell their behavior changing towards me. All women love big muscles, they signal masculinity and high testosterone, there's no denying it.

Now, if only I could find the cure for being 5'7

[–]superphotonerd68 points69 points  (4 children) | Copy

The cure for being 5'7 is lifting

[–]BrownGummyBear5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not giving a fuck also works, agreed lifting is needed as well though

[–]RedBloodHunter5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

5'7" guy here, this is true. At least at this height you're taller than most women you'll meet. If you're ripped and have a strong frame, women won't care, especially when you can pick them up and throw them around with minimal effort

[–]superphotonerd1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

i agree with the picking up thing, shit moves different when you show them you can do that

[–]Snowpeartea6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Looking for the same cure. HAHAHA. The cure might be lift so much and get so muscular once they see the muscles they dont realize the height

[–]mrspicytits22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy

I work out because it makes me feel good but it also makes me feel powerful. It's the most basic form of power a human being can possess. Physical power. Power and competence = confidence.

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[–]renaldobalkmanbucket0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fuck that, six day PPL is the only way

[–]DTron233219 points20 points  (6 children) | Copy

I've been going to the gym consistently for the last 3 years, and let me tell you it was one of the best decisions I ever could've made for myself.

Not only is extremely addicting, but what makes you feel good will always make you look better. I'm 225 at 6’3, I dwarf most men and get looks from everyone pretty much everywhere I go.

Men and women are intimated by it, but it a good way. Most men resent me for it, most women see me as pure sexual object. Keep in mind I’m only 19, but I look better than 99% of the population.

Perks of being a bodybuilder ;) everyone treats you right. I fucked more women than many guys at my age have, but honestly I could care less. Once you have a vision and a purpose, not much phases you 🤷🏻‍♂️

[–]Coolrubbings19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy

You’re living the life the right way brother.

Most tall guys make the mistake of not working out, and just relying on their height.

Height + muscles is a crazy combo.

[–]bssftw0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Height + muscles = game over

[–]R41nmaker3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Very nice. 6’5, 242lbs guy here. I’m also Hispanic, which is extremely rare. However, I’m going to be 30 in a few hours while you’re only 19 and your life is barely starting. I didn’t start seriously lifting until about 2 years ago, so you got a nice head start. I commend you for your accomplishment.

[–]DTron23321 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Happy birthday man, and yes my life is just now starting to speed up, I’m extremely motivated and optimistic about the future.

I plan on being one of the best bodybuilders of all time. Thanks again, always nice seeing some positive encouragement on here

[–]R41nmaker1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for the birthday wishes. I’m glad to hear you got big plans for yourself in the future. When I was 19, I didn’t know what the fuck I was doing. I was living life on autopilot but it looks like you got a good head on your shoulder. Good luck brother 🤜🏼 🤛🏼

[–]YronArchibald31 points32 points  (19 children) | Copy

I loved the “B-but I’m Indian”. Rofl. Who gives that excuse? What’s the logic behind it?

[–]Coolrubbings35 points36 points  (18 children) | Copy

I’ve seen a lot of guys in this sub and online say that they can’t get girls because they’re Indian.

Apparently being brown is a disadvantage or something

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[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (6 children) | Copy

Bro you were virgin 78 days ago. Quit bullshitting.

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Bro i am brown and in a brown country. I don’t know about white dudes, but in our culture red pill is inherently present. I lost count after 40-50. I wish you luck brother.

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You are right about that. Cold approaches will not get you anywhere, or will be a shitty way to go. Come on, the country might be getting progressive, but people’s judgements are still old school(whether they admit or not). So go the sane route, the sober route, which is online. Be aggressive, but don’t be thirsty(thats where Indian guys suck bad - too thirsty imo). You’ll easily land a date, take her to a bar etc., which is like 90% battle won. Make it known to her subtly that you are looking to just enjoy yourself and nothing serious. That wjll weed out the time wasters. After that, only one’s stupidity can stop it from progressing further.

[–]riggedved1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’m Indian too, living in India but frequent international traveller. Whenever I travel to the US, Im always overwhelmed by how many girls approach me. Thats why I love the US, since girls approaching you doesnt happen in India. My n-count for 2020 is already 2.

[–]Coolrubbings20 points21 points  (5 children) | Copy

Oh I know man, I’m black and a lot of other black guys think it’s a disadvantage, but honestly it’s a strength for me.

I just hate seeing brown guys use their ethnicity as a reason for them not getting pussy. I’m glad that isn’t the case for you.

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[–]Angelrun11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Indian also brother I fuck white girls out here 😂

[–]Coolrubbings9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

As minority guys I’m sure we’ve all been there at some point, you’re your own greatest enemy.

A girls preconceived notions of minority dudes kind of just got out the window once you’re jacked and know how to talk.

Her desire to fuck you has to be stronger than whatever prejudice she’s got.

[–]Zdeneksfilter0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You're spitting gems man. Real gems. I'm even skeptical you're only 21 with all this wisdom you've got.

[–]Coolrubbings0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Growing up as the only black kid in school forces you to grow up fast.

You have to build tough skin, you have to stand your ground, and can’t let the jabs and insecurities get in your head.

Same goes for any minority, hell, any MAN, you can’t hate the game.

[–]ziphias3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

This post brought to you by the guy who asked Reddit if a butt plug can stop his smelly-ass Indian/Pakistani food farts.

[–]1empatheticapathetic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Location is important. If I still lived where I grew up, being Indian is low status. I had to move somewhere where race doesn’t matter as much. It matters when it matters.

[–]the-brd8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Chicken and veggies for the win

  • protein shakes after workouts. don't miss on that bros

[–]1empatheticapathetic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It’s more beneficial to have one before than after supposedly. Having protein available as you’re lifting utilises it more as your body can use it as needed.

[–]Conartist968 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't believe what women say Watch what they do

[–]simplecountry_lawyer36 points37 points  (43 children) | Copy

I'm gonna start lifting on my next day off. I'm sick of putting this off.

[–]grandmasbroach53 points54 points  (20 children) | Copy

Here's what I always tell people who act like they don't have the time and need to wait for days off. Say what you will about him, Obama managed to exercise 5 times a week. You're not busier than a fucking US president, you're just not. You never will be. The ONLY reason you don't have time for the gym, is because you're not making time for the gym. You can always come up with an excuse, and trying to act like you're so busy you can't go, is just that. An excuse. Fuck a day off, just go!

[–]_do_not_read_this_22 points23 points  (15 children) | Copy

My lifting takes me 40 minutes.

One, I don't sit on a bench playing with my phone.

Two, I do just the big basics: dead, bench, some kind of row, shoulder press, bi and tri, plus maybe one more depending my mood.

Three, "30 - 45 seconds between sets" means fucking "30 - 45 seconds between sets" not two minutes to bullshit with someone or check your phone. That's about 6 -10 deep breaths

[–]grandmasbroach3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy

I take a big longer breaks between my sets. Probably closer to the 2-3 minute range. I'm guilty of listening to music at the gym. I figure I could do worse things and have worse habits. Hey, at least I'm there 4-5 times a week.

[–]gains_o_clock2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think it depends on the weights you're moving. When doing powerlifting style training with really heavy weights and lower reps I definitely take 2-3 minute breaks sometimes up to 5 between sets like for deadlifts or squats. For moderate weight/reps 1-2 definitely keeps my heart pumping

[–]_do_not_read_this_0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

There's a lot of different theories on how to do sets. I'm old school, three sets of 6-12 and maybe a burn set after, short break in between sets.

[–]skippwiggins0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Everyone is different. Sometimes I weight 3-4 minutes and lift as much weight as possible and sometimes it’s only 30 seconds and basically every set that day will be right after the next. Every 12 weeks I’ll switch up my routine

[–]_do_not_read_this_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy


Older I get, the more my workout depends on how my body is feeling that day. I'm not as rigid in my routine as back when I thought things like that mattered to life.

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Is listening to music at the gym supposed to be bad? I mean, it hypes me up, but i feel I waste so much time on the thing looking for the perfect song to play.

Also, once I forgot my headphones and it's like I had no energy to workout.

[–]grandmasbroach0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've heard some people look down on it. Honestly, I really don't care. It's not something I'm going to get worked up about. Nor will I change it.

[–]BrownGummyBear0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

You’re losing your pump by waiting 2-3 mins between sets, try 45-60 sec rests and you’ll feel the difference

[–]grandmasbroach2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Not really going for a pump. I have been focused mostly on pure strength. I'm a broke down, beat up 35 year old ex army paratrooper. Old injuries flaring up have taken me out of the gym more than I'd like. I've been back at it hard for about a year now and have had really solid results. I got on trt as well and that has definitely been helpful all around as far as quality of life is concerned. Very much recommended anyone over 30 to get their levels checked. There's so much plastic and pharmaceutical shit in our water that most men will have fried their endocrine systems signaling pathways and ligands by the time they hit 35. Not much you can do about that other than try to eat healthy and stay away from plastic as much as possible. I really believe, and I have a degree in microbiology so I'm not talking out of my ass, that plastic will basically be our generations lead.

[–]BrownGummyBear0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

As long as you’re pushing yourself (in a safe way) it’s fine then. Great to hear about your TRT results buddy

[–]grandmasbroach1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Absolutely! No reason to go if you aren't adding more weight or reps than last time.

[–]BrownGummyBear0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, must guys at the gym lift more than they can cause they can’t let go of their egos. Lighter weight with perfect form will provide better results than lifting heavy with shitty form for example.

One more tip I got is to try to lower weights in a controlled manner during the eccentric contraction (most people let gravity do all of the work instead of lowering weights in a controlled manner).

Implementing 45 sec breaks between sets and pushing myself during the eccentric phase has made a huge difference for me. Cheers!

[–]maximusnaya0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

6-10 breaths. Thanks for the tip.

[–]rdaneeloliv4w0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This, except I take 2-3 minutes between my really heavy sets.

[–]1empatheticapathetic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

One, I don’t sit on a bench playing with my phone

Lol, I read this while sitting on a bench between sets.

[–]puLsOr4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Fuck yeah man. Can you give me a source so I can save it and shove it in the face of all the people making excuses? Thanks.

[–]muricanwerewolf15 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Excuses are just a person’s way to say “I don’t want to do that”. You could defeat all of their excuses logically and they still wouldn’t work out, because they’re missing a key component of motivation. And whatever that thing they’re missing is, they’ll never tell you, because the true reason, if confronted, is punishing to the ego. It could be “I don’t believe I can do it (get big, be attractive, get women)” it could be “I’m afraid of what people will think of me (as a beginner, as a meathead)” it even could be “my dreams aren’t worth giving up one iota of comfort” but it’s never something logical.

I do a ton of cool shit and always tell my friends “the door is open” but I never argue why, after they’ve expressed a desire to learn, they don’t follow up. It’s a waste of time. They don’t have the desire for it that I do, or they’d show up without me.

[–]Wabbajak2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Here is a detailed summary of his exercise regime.

[–]Coolrubbings64 points65 points  (7 children) | Copy

You haven’t lived until you’ve seen what your body is capable of.

I’m 21 years old, and started lifting almost two years ago, I never want to stop.

I urge you to do it, no one’s ever regretted being jacked.

[–]throwing8smokes17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy

Amen. Honestly, growing up I wasn't "naturally athletic" or "naturally talented" or all the other bullsh*t words those beta bux dads would throw around because they were too lazy to bust their ass playing or sport or hitting the gym. Oh, "I'm, not naturally athletic" LOL. The human body is meant to MOVE. I'm 25 years old, been lifting hardcore since 17-18, and now all of these movement patterns come easy af. Running, throwing, etc. all of this shit. I am a master of my own body. Obv I'm not a god at basketball or any skill sport that I didn't put work into, but I definitely can out-perform from a physical standpoint anybody on the court, soccer field whatever. Hard work CAN beat skill. And imagine all of the hard work lifting + SKILL?

The point is, everybody is naturally athletic to some degree. Obv people will be better at some movements than others, but don't sell yourself short by saying you weren't "naturally" athletic. You weren't on the all star little league team and jimmy was, not because he was that much of a better "natural athlete" than you, but because you didn't see that he was fielding grounders and hitting balls at the field everyday after school for 2 years, on top of coming to practice.

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[–]Truedemocracy611 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

if youre going from never working out to baby steps maybe - but you wont see results for long until you get a program of some sort, even if it's making up your own.

[–]muricanwerewolf12 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah this. I actually told my roommate “if you’re not willing to go to the gym don’t bother” after he picked up some 20lb dumbbells, curls aren’t gonna make you buff. And since you’re a free man you don’t have to do some “20 weeks to fitness” bodyweight workout like you’re a prisoner in the hole for biting a guard. As if the person who only wants to do their workouts at home is gonna actually do that shit.

The reason people do these goofy at home workouts is they’re unwilling to do the bare minimum of what it takes. They don’t want to feel judged at the gym, or feel uncomfortable as a newbie. They don’t want to drive over there and put on some shorts. They don’t want to give up the opportunity cost of being able to half ass their workout because they’re watching TV while they do it.

It’s self defeatist behavior.

[–]utopianaura0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What's wrong with home workouts?

[–]Hord12347 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

I second pushups, shedded a pile of weight doing them every day

[–]Zdeneksfilter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The greatest effect pushups had on me was they corrected my posture in ways I'd never have dreamed of. Before, I'd actively have to roll my shoulders back and stick my chest out to have proper posture. Also, my shoulders were ever so slightly slanted downward, left to right. Three months of a mere 50 pushups a day righted everything.

Oh, and they blow up your triceps like a mofo.

[–]shaggy145229 points30 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fuck your next day off, just do it. If you can’t wake up early to do it, then go after work, if you don’t want to after work, wake up early to do it. Fuck it man i go on my lunch break sometimes. There’s always time for the gym, you just have to make the time. It’s the easiest thing you can do for yourself, the hardest part about it is actually getting there

[–]NWDegenerate4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Your body is the greatest instrument and tool you'll ever own.

[–]Truedemocracy61 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

No reason to wait. When you make it routine you will always find time for it. Traveling for work? Better scope out the hotel gym or something nearby. Have evening plans? Better set the alarm extra early the next day. Friends want to day drink all day? Fuck that - I put my body first, etc, etc

[–]VapeBlowCatipiller0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Waiting until your next day off is just one more excuse.

Everyone wants to be a bodybuilder, but ain't no body want to lift these heavy ass weights. -- Ronnie Coleman

[–]ElectronicStrain880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Start today. Otherwise the next time you have "a day off" you're going to wait until the next "day off" and you'll stay small forever.

[–]ineedavacation47 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lost 58 lbs so far. Going to lose more this year.

[–]Thekantona7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Even If women disliked it I would still lift. Everything it does and can do for a person outside of getting laid is worth it.

[–]EmpowerMen7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Back in middle school, the teacher asked the girls in class why the guy need to have a sixpack, they then said, personality is what matters. Those same girls where pulling up my friend's shirt to see and also attempted to touch his sixpack.

In the next school , different name in Norway than other countries, not sure what to call it. There where girls talking about muscles being disgusting, one had a bodybuilder as their screensaver, another one was dating a bodybuilder, one was obsessing over my friend which is a bodybuilder even though he had a gf and she new it, she was her friend aswell.

Find it pretty ironic

[–]VapeBlowCatipiller7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Everyone wants to be a bodybuilder, but ain't no body want to lift these heavy ass weights. -- Ronnie Coleman.

Yea this is a ploy. She likes them now, but if she makes you her property, she doesn't want any other chic stealing you. So she will say this shit to condition you for when you cave and sell your soul to her. Then she has your ass, and has an excuse to dump your ass. Don't fall for that shit, keep lifting like your damn cock and balls are at stake.

And for fuck sake men, learn how to cook. If you leave all the cooking to her, you're just gonna get pizza, tacos, pasta, deep fried and processed shit and take out every night.

[–]Zdeneksfilter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And for fuck sake men, learn how to cook. If you leave all the cooking to her, you're just gonna get pizza, tacos, pasta, deep fried and processed shit and take out every night.

Great advice. Personally, I dislike the idea of having my girlfriends move in with me and handle the chores, Etc. I love having my time and space to myself. As such, I've had to learn how to cook, keep clean, stay neat, Etc. But if you truly must live with the girlfriend/get married... if you really, really have to; then for the love of god postpone it for 6 months to a year and properly learn to take care of yourself first. Learn to cook, clean your place, have your laundry done, et al. This way, you'll never be hopelessly dependent on your woman like so many goofballs are... and she'll sense this and respect it.

I knew a guy who was a phenomenal soccer player. Greatest set of abs I've ever seen and despite only being 5'8" or so; he was able to draw in women with few problems. And then he got married and did what so many men think is the manly thing to do: let the woman handle all of the kitchen stuff. We met up recently and I couldn't believe how shit he looked; fat gut, jowls, he shambles these days, Etc. Now he's just an average guy.

[–]muricanwerewolf115 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

That was the funniest thing about the “dad bod” craze. Women were trying to rationalize the obvious hypergamy of women being attracted to Leo DiCaprio, so instead of admitting women like a hugely successful and rich man they said “oh, the dad bod is IN!”. But it was obvious to anyone with a brain women don’t prefer a unhealthy looking guy. Or check out this cope from 2015 https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/05/11/i-have-a-dad-bod-heres-why-women-love-it/ where the author gets so close to older guys appeal to women (running a business, older men often have value) but then tries to claim the successful man doesn’t have time for fitness. He also tries to claim his 20 something year old body couldn’t attract women in a significant way when we know it’s the blue pill 20 year old bag of insecurities in his head that got in his way. Though I imagine if we even scratched the surface of this man’s dating life not much has changed.

Ultimately, we at the red pill know there are many paths to female attraction, but the easiest, most immediate way to catch a woman’s eye is have a body that doesn’t look like a bag of shit. For most of us, that’s more attainable than a Ferrari.

[–]sjswander947 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Amen brother. Size is the prize and swole is the goal. Get big get shredded and your in the top 1% of men physique wise.

[–]willswag9107 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

I lift for my self because the most satisfying thing is looking at yourself after a slutty chest workout and thinking about how far you have come since before you started lifting. The attention from women is just a nice side effect

[–]bssftw0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Seriously, this is my favorite part of lifting. When I first got serious with bench I was only able to do 135 and a 5 for 5x5. I have now benched 225 for 5x5. The high I got off of that achievement was amazing and the lasting self confidence from this attainment hasn't worn off since.

[–]banelord19767 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

when I stared I did it for girls, but as time when on I did it because it make me feel and look great for me.

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[–]SilverCloud730 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Typical male fantasy scenario not at all based in reality. Lol.

[–]rockyp325 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lmao don’t post your shitty physique on social media ahhah so true I’ve come close but I honestly don’t even wanna post till im satisfied

[–]shaggy14525 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’ve fallen out of my gym routine. I haven’t missed a day (except my one rest day a week) in a couple years now. I fell off about a month ago. This post inspired me to come back with more determination. Thanks bby.

[–]Spets875 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

Recently took off my shirt off at a festival to put on something underneath, and the girl next to me just went, whoa your pecs are amazing. Yeah girls like muscles. Massive ego trip when they complement them too.

[–]SilverCloud730 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Lol at thinking that just because a girl compliments your body she is sexually attracted to you. Three years ago I built up a good amount of muscle over the summer, and I got a ton of compliments from my family members about how good my muscles looked. They weren’t into me, it was just an observation. Also I’ve been complimented on a piece of clothing before and then called ugly by that same girl.

[–]Spets870 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

The lol is on you, I slept with the same girl that night. And being complemented on clothing is different, because people say it about weird looking shit like scarves with dog shit print or something. It's the shock value there.

[–]SilverCloud730 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It is irrelevant whether she slept with you or not, because the point is that just because you are complimented on your muscles, does not mean that whoever is doing it is into you. Like I said, I got lots of compliments from people when I had good muscle mass, but they weren't interested in me. It wasn't just family members btw, it was also female friends of my parents and a couple kids my age. The girl you slept with would still have been into you regardless of how muscular you were at the time. Her complimenting you merely gave you an ego boost, giving you confidence and encouraging you to pursue her. Attractiveness is determined almost exclusively by the face and to a lesser extent by height.

[–]EdmondDaunts4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

It’s been called the Butchers Shop Stare.

When you’re looking intently at the meat.

You’ll start to notice it when you develop more muscle. Relatively big arms with broad shoulders can trigger it. But build the legs too. You’ll see the mouth open.

You don’t have to massive either. Just solid. Like a slab.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's a YouTube video called 'how women react to muscular guys' or something like that, that's all you need to know about if woman like muscles or not

[–]1swampbastard694 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Had a gf who hated 'big muscles'. I am muscular but not jacked - lift 3x/week 6 1" 185 - a bit lanky, more of a swimmer physique. She exclaimed she preferred my 'type' of body. Then one day at the pool I saw some absolutely jacked dude - not particularly handsome, clearly on some gear - probably 5 10' 235-245 at 10% bf. He said hi to her, she revealed she had 'a fling with him in college, I thought he was cute'.

ya she didn't like 'big muscles' lol - I asked her about his muscles she said 'he's not jacked' lol - the guy was one of the most jacked guys I have seen in my city...The fact is they are very scared (reasonably so) about how lizard their hind brain truly is. They know they are slaves to it.

To be fair to girls, so few guys are that jacked, girls dont even know they like it because they dont have access to it - they just see it on insta, and as we know humans will forswear what they cant have - 'rich people are evil' etc.

[–]Cleopatrus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Majority of guys in my circles and in my city are DYEL/don’t lift.

I really wonder what’s gonna happen to the US in "the roaring 20’s" lol. We’re becoming more like the black community each year

[–]JCX_Pulse8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Was out to dinner with several female co-workers this weekend. They bring up the actors Bill Hader and some other not conventionally attractive guy, I can’t remember. They start going on about how “he’s (Hader) hot now! Since he got jacked”

Muscle can completely change a woman’s view of you, don’t ever be mistaken. It can make a serious impact on your SMV.

[–]Snowboard183 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lifting like a mad man is definatly one of the greatest decisions I have ever made, I started even before the red pill because I had horribly low self esteem, lifting gave me confidence and basically pulled me out of a grow depression.

[–]opper-hombre13 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I will never the understand the “looks don’t matter” people

[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women lie at every point where they are vulnerable. And that's where they are really easy to attract.

It's sort of like that survivorship bias case in ww2. The bullet holes were all in the non fatal areas. The aircraft that got hit where it mattered didn't make it back.

[–]lumberjackinla2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

muscles on a man are like tits and ass on a woman - lmao well said

[–]C4scop45 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is so true. As a guy who's been training hard since I was 16, I find myself in the difficult position to stop going to the gym to pursue a career. This makes me feel sad. But when I'm done studying, I know I will start lifting again. Peace bros, and stay strong.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

lol have you tried being short ?

Get in shape, yes 100%. But do it for yourself, not for a bitch's validation.

[–]Basketcase7722 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I really don’t know. Maybe some women really don’t like fit men. But I don’t need to lie about it. Fit men are attractive imo. But to me it’s the same as women, I don’t consider obese bodies appealing.

[–]ratpoison9872 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I get 10 hrs a night lol. makes a huge difference.

[–]1clon3man2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Most people don't have the discipline to stick to an intense exercise routine. They should stick to long walks and some low-key group fitness classes for mental health and joint health.

Step 0: Admit that you're a faggot who doesn't like heavy lifting instead of deluding yourself. Then maybe you have a chance at being disciplined in the gym.

[–]disciplined912 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Love these types of articles that bring out a sense of inspiration. Good job OP 👍👍👍💪💪💪

[–]BobbyPeru2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

But Chad knows better, he knows that she’s drooling, because muscles on a man are like tits and ass on a woman.

I actually had my wife tell me pretty much this exact same thing. I often wear short sleeve shirts that show off my arms. One day as I was leaving, she said me showing my big arms is the same as a woman showing cleavage. I just chuckled, and left

[–]TheFallingCosmos2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I wouldn't say you have to necessarily lift 5 times a week; 4 or even 3 times a week can be sufficient. The much more important aspect is consistency

[–]I_sort_by_new_fam2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

With martial arts. You'll be ripped and also develop your mind. Like have a personality.

[–]xX420JUICYSYNAPSEX692 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

wow, this really convinced me to pick up my lifting routine. really wasn’t expecting to find anything i agree with on this sub, but here we are

thanks man

[–]fugluru5 points6 points  (12 children) | Copy

I have enough motivation and dedication to start lifting, I just have absolutely no idea how to start, like what exercises I should do. How heavy I should lift ect, anyone have some “guide” or any help with that?

[–]RayneXero6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Look up stronglifts 5x5. It even has an app

[–]Coolrubbings7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy

I can help.

Look up Stronglifts, it’s a beginner program.

If you want to make your own program that’s fine as well.

First step, go to the gym today. If today really is impossible, then tomorrow. Don’t put it off longer than that.

All machines have a guide on how to use them and which body part they target.

Dumbbell curls are for biceps for example.

Eat 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight, buy protein powder, the brand doesn’t really matter, it’s all the same.

Creatine helps, but isn’t a requirement.

Honestly dude, just go to the gym, lift, hit every muscle group twice a week, eat correctly and sleep right.

That’s it. I hope I didn’t write all this for nothing.

[–]fugluru1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I would absolutely love to go to the gym tomorrow. But sadly I have a bad case of the flu and I’m having problems even getting out of bed, but trust me the moment I’m ok again I’ll hit the gym

[–]riggedved0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Doing SL5x5 since 1.5 years now. I dont take protein powder because I stay away from anything remotely processed.

My diet is strictly vegetarian and I dont even consume eggs. For protein, I eat grains, pulses, millets, dairy products (2 glasses of non-fat milk everyday), curd, yogurt, cottage cheese, peanut butter, lots of dry fruits like peanuts, cashews, almonds, walnuts.

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[–]riggedved1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is normal. My first few weeks I was increasing 5 kg every session in squats, then it kept getting more difficult so I dropped it to 2.5. Now I’m squatting 90kgs since last 3 sessions. Because of the great difficulty I am not increasing the weight. This also happened around the 80kg mark. Just keep at it, it will get better with time.

[–]102117991070 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is shit advice. "just go lift" doesn't help anyone. My beginners guide is an all inclusive buffet of how to structure programming.

[–]LLL3peat3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

find a starting bodybuilding routine to learn and you'll grow. Otherwise, I'd advise you to join and gym and get a personal trainer to show you how to do various movements with proper form. Form > weight lifted in the beginning.

Choose one and stick to it. Should get you started :


[–]102117991071 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Look at my beginners guide series I wrote.

You're welcome.

[–]RedBloodHunter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you have the motivation then you should have already done the research. You have the internet at your fingertips.

Look up StrongLifts 5x5 or Starting strength. It has a step by step process on how to get started, proper form and technique. There's a few other beginner programs but these are the most popular, because they work. All share the same underlying principle, progressive overload - start light and add slightly more weight each time you work out.

Make sure you eat right as well. To build muscle you need to eat a lot of protein and eat at a caloric surplus. Check out r/loseit or r/leangains for info on this. Leangains is pretty popular here, it combines intermittent fasting with strength training. Its effective but not for everyone. I think there's also a section on working out in the sidebar at r/asktrp.

[–]NabroleonBonaparte0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


This website has multiple programs to choose from, but recommends Starting Strength 5x5 if you’ve never lifted before.

[–]ThiccBoisClub4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

An important caveat should be don’t lift to get laid, lift to become the strongest and best looking man in whatever space you set foot in. Don’t do this for women, they will automatically come. Acquiring the respect and admiration of your fellow males is the goal, because then you know they set you up as an example in their own mind.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Indian and slaying it proper my friend! 🤨

[–]TheLoveGuardian1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Couldn’t agree more. They all deny it yet in reality love and drool over it. Working out can get you out of the Friendzone on its own because the only way to get out of the friendzone is for her to start seeing you in a sexual manner: How To Never Get Friendzoned

[–]disciplined911 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm not in a good physical shape at all but I just have this feeling that by consistently lifting, it'll change the world around me and just being able to feel different because of looking jacked. It's just finding that proper mindset and getting to work because I'm sick and tired of being fat.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You can either have a life of being invisible to decent women and getting no respect from anyone else, or you can have attractive women wanting to sleep with you and being able to command respect from everyone else. It's your choice.

[–]disciplined911 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agree 100 percent my friend. The situation is in my control. Just got to take the actions to get towards that point.

[–]102117991071 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I wrote a detailed beginners guide not too long ago for this exact reason. Guys need the tools to understand how programming works for lifting to make gains instead of shit advise like "just lift"

[–]Babylunchbox1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Very true. I work out everyday & the women at my job always come up with some reason to touch me

[–]_sadboyloko1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I work out at least 3 times a week. I aim for at least four, given that I don't always go for at least an hour.

My problem is, I meal prep once in awhile but not always. I'm still in that skinny fat stage although I've definitely seen some progress.

The good thing is I don't eat out a lot and don't like drinking. I believe the amount I eat (too little) is holding me back even with daily protein shakes. And yes I've upped my weight lifting in the three years I've been on/off.

[–]R41nmaker0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’m 6’5, weighing 242 lbs. I used to be skinny fat and tried all sorts of things. What has helped me recently is intermittent fasting. Skip breakfast and just have lunch and dinner. Increase protein intake on days you lift. My weight has remained about the same, but my waist size has gone down while my muscles have grown.

Also, cut out sugar and sugary drinks and drink lots of water whenever possible.

[–]Zech4riah1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

There is also some legit but less obvious reasons why girls don't actually like when guy has "too much muscles" but they aren't necessarily related to muscles themselves.

Good physique makes even hot girls feel insecure. It puts pressure on a girl to move her ass to the gym. They don't like this feeling of insecurity.

The other thing is that girls don't like when a guy compensates themselves by over obsessing about their body.

Also too much is too much. Gymbros on roids think they are the shit in the eyes of women but they are not. They seem unnatural to women and that's why girls don't get attracted as much to unnaturally big muscles. (Altho these really big guys usually have no problems getting women because there is a niche group of women who really desire unnaturally big dudes).

Also it's rare that I fuck a women because of my physique or be able to pull a girl thanks to my physique - good physique is just a nice bonus to a girl and it makes keeping the girl in rotation a bit easier but it does not usually help in cold approach.

[–]Cleopatrus2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Then explain zyzz and the girls that threw themselves at him at the beginning of the last decade

[–]Zech4riah1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Did you even read what I wrote before commenting? It's right there:

Altho these really big guys usually have no problems getting women because there is a niche group of women who really desire unnaturally big dudes

[–]silent_dominant1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Amused mastery is key, just like everywhere else.

[–]gixxerthouguy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I fucking love this post. Simple truth, put simply.

[–]Korrangar1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I don't know if it's the right place, but what do you guys wear ? I feel like wearing a suit is hiding all the muscles and women won't really notice that you're lifting. On the flipside i think wearing t-shirts is showing low status.

[–]Cleopatrus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wear nice t-shirts, and accessorize. Beats are fashion maxxing like crazy today with their collared shirts and expensive outfits lol

[–]MrSaiyan_333_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not muscular (yet) but I'd wear nicely fitting (possibly tailored) slim fit long sleeved shirts with rolled up sleeves.

[–]fapfapfapnot1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

May I know which program worked the best for you? which one you're currently using and which one do you suggest for beginners?

[–]LawItUp771 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This was definitely encouraging. My muscles are sore, but I know consistency is the key. Thank you.

[–]PimpinLikeIceberg1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great point.

She finds your muscles attractive but she won't tell you at first.

Watch how they confess that they thought your muscles were sexy when they first saw you, once you've fucked !

[–]ivy1761 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why would anyone think they appear as a slut by saying they like muscles? Muscles indicate a masculine frame and presence if testosterone, not sure why anyone would feel uncomfortable to say they like a guy with a muscular frame.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I often hear, "I very hesitantly need to tell how hot it is to feel your muscles when we fuck." They don't want to to be overt l, but they really do love it.

[–]metallicdrama1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Women say nothing of value. Usually do the opposite of whatever they're suggesting. Or do nothing. Never act on what a women claims to feel or "think".

[–]TMal331 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

What do you do when you hit a plateau?

[–]surfingjesus3 points4 points  (26 children) | Copy

Not bad advice but there are way too many out of shape, flabby, weak men on Pornhub Community to make it seem like exercise is mandatory. Exercise for your own benefit, because this is more likely to happen in reality

[–]RedFlatEars11 points12 points  (6 children) | Copy

The missing part of the meme is when you don't lift you don't get complimented by anyone.

Better to be complimented by men and receive a confidence boost, and maybe some new friends who can introduce you to even more.

[–]surfingjesus-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy

you don't get complimented by anyone

But you do especially if you are well dressed or/and have great hair. Even better if you can dance or have some other creative artistic talent. I don't recall Michael Jackson or Prince ever looking like they could do more than 10 pushups and yet they made stadiums of women faint.

[–]Drakane12 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

you're not Micheal Jackson you're not Danny devito you're not Larry David you re a 9 to 5 work on your shoulders and trap

[–]wowmansohacked0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You have the remember we are talking a out the average guy here not someone with God given talent. The average guy will never out grow the need to form a baseline of fitness to be attractive to women.

[–]surfingjesus-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

So nice hair and clothes that fit are God given talents? Alright lol. I actually wrote another response to this with examples, but deleted it because you guys just know it all. Keep lifting weights and racking up those male followers on IG.

Hey here's an idea. Look up your favorite male bodybuilder, and check his female to male follower ratio lol.

[–]wowmansohacked0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm saying there is a base line and the majority of women won't give a man a second look if he seems out of shape. Also, way to move the goalposts. First it's having a cool talent and now all you need is nice hair and clothes to be Micheal Jackson. Okay buddy.

[–]Nighthawk_Black_8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's true about guys giving more verbal compliments but big arms or whatever gets women touching you and shit.

[–]Huffnagle8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy

First of all... Comparing porn to real life is absurd. Male porn actors are chosen for 1 thing, their big dick. Period. They are not chosen for their attractiveness to females because (most) porn is made for men.

And... I’ve been both a little fat and somewhat jacked. The difference is huge. I don’t give a shit what they say, when you’re jacked the girls will find a way to get you alone and gargle your cock. All you have to do is not fuck it up by acting like a retarded beta sperg.

There is a reason that lifting is the #1 piece of advice on here.

Your meme is bullshit.

[–]surfingjesus-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Do you know what Pornhub Community is? They are regular people fucking in their bedrooms lol.

edit: Ugh I just read your whole comment. Please go take your Adderall.

[–]Huffnagle5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Did I just get shamed for not knowing the nuances of the “watching other people fuck community”?!?

I’m crying... lmao!

I stand by every word I said. Nobody on TRP has ever said you can’t get laid without muscles. But there’s a damn good reason it’s the #1 piece of advice, by a lot.

[–]surfingjesus-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Did I just get shamed for not knowing the nuances of the “watching other people fuck community”?!?

Nah, for the cringy choice of words in the second paragraph.

[–]Truedemocracy64 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes and no. If you're a guy going from not lifting to gym 3-4x a week and diet will make a HUGE difference. Firming up the jaw line, having a chest that sticks out further than your gut, shoulders wider than your waist, and fitting into clothes properly will make a big difference.

After that the returns depreciate quite a bit. But any gym rat usually falls in love with it for himself

[–]NabroleonBonaparte4 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy

But that’s the thing, women notice when other men respect you. When they see a bunch of dudes worshipping you, it means you’re alpha.

That’s why a king doesn’t need a 600lb deadlift to rule, the fact that an entire kingdom listens to his orders vouches for his alpha cred.

Edit: This comment means that muscle isn’t the only form of SMV, another form is respect of men. Try to build both.

[–]surfingjesus-2 points-1 points  (10 children) | Copy

"Alpha" lol. You're playing word salad. Speaking of Kings, El Chapo was a short, average looking chubby guy. You could not look at this man and guess he was one of the most powerful drug lords in history. He's the opposite of your visual representation of "alpha", yet he has the respect and command of an army. But do what you want.

[–]NabroleonBonaparte4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy

You literally just repeated what I said.

[–]surfingjesus-2 points-1 points  (8 children) | Copy

No I didn't. Kings are born into privilege by birthright. El Chapo grew up poor, dropped out of school at 9 years old, and sold oranges to support himself. He was abused by his father and got picked on as a kid. That's not the background of a King.

[–]NabroleonBonaparte3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy

You’re missing the point because you’re thinking literally and not paying attention to context.

I replied to a comment that joked that getting buff only makes men compliment you instead of women.

I used the king analogy to demonstrate that having men’s respect indirectly gives you SMV points with women.

[–]surfingjesus-2 points-1 points  (6 children) | Copy

having men’s respect indirectly gives you SMV points with women

Mark Zuckerberg is pretty respected among men in the business world, no? so why aren't these women swooning over him. But keep going this is fun.

[–]NabroleonBonaparte1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

“Hey look at this outlier scenario along with a misinterpretation of what you said!”

Apparently you’re here to prove yourself smart rather than understand the point I was making. I hope whatever you’re struggling with fixes itself, but I’ve lost interest in this convo.

You can reread the comment chain and hopefully it clicks.

[–]surfingjesus-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

You just want to hear that turning into the hulk is the way to get respect and make women throw themselves at you. But in reality a skinny kid like this could end everything you worked for in one shot. Another highly respected guy in his community with no muscles and a large female fan base. Don't quit lifting though.

[–]NabroleonBonaparte1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Omg lol

You just want to hear that turning into the hulk is the way to get respect and make women throw themselves at you.

Dumbass, I’m literally arguing that muscles aren’t the only way to raise SMV. Having the respect of men is a form of SMV.

I kept trying to be polite but you’re extremely stubborn. Please reread the comment chain.

[–]megamorphg1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy

Is there something unique to lifting?

Is it the muscles or just an overall high level of fitness?

I'm thinking of doing kung fu and martial arts 2 hours every day--which probably will only tone my sick pack and
naturally ectomorphic physique. I personally don't want to be muscle-bound and inflexible in my joints since I value it for yoga and martial arts.

[–]LLL3peat3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's more or less that you show fitness, dedication, and leanness rather than being a lazy bum. Every woman wants that adventure to go camping/exploring/hiking/etc for the gram for wanderlust. The leaner you are and the more muscle definition you have, the higher the sex appeal you have with more defined jawlines and being lean is associated with high qualities and income. Poor people are associated with health issues and obesity. This is a multivariable answer.

[–]Coolrubbings13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy

Let me put it this way. Your body is a machine that adapts to stress.

When you lift, you put your muscles under stress, and your body uses that as a sign to make them grow stronger than before.

I lift, I also do kickboxing and yoga, so flexibility is only an issue if you let it be.

Also somatotypes(like being an ectomorph) are a myth, just lift and eat correctly.

Do martial arts if you want, but as a complement to lifting. It’ll change your life, trust me.

[–]chang3up0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'll second yoga here; it's helped with my stiffness and it's good for mental stress too.

[–]megamorphg-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

Somatotypes are not a myth. They are equivalent to ayurvedic doshas. Anyway I eat like a fatass over past years sometimes and always stay the same due to my metabolism even on months of lack of real exercise. Thank for the clarification though... Muscular stress must have some primordially beneficial design including neurotropic.

[–]Not_CSR1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That is some rich irony in the first two sentences.

[–]Iamthespiderbro1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Strength training releases testosterone and does provide another level of confidence you don’t get with other types of exercise. If you are passionate about martial arts, definitely keep doing that, but I would suggest also incorporating a strength routine that is compatible with it. You don’t have to be a full on body builder, but if you start looking like Bruce Lee, you’ll have women all over you.

[–]grandmasbroach0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Is there something unique to lifting? It's all about this thing called linear progression. Most lifting programs, you need a PROGRAM to follow, have you add 5lbs to your lifts each time you go to the gym. You need to constantly increase weight to increase muscle mass. It shows how disciplined you are as well. Not only do you have to drag your ass to the gym. You need to have your diet on point. The biggest part of it is adding more weight every workout. That takes incredible discipline to physically will your body to create more muscle tissue through exercise. I also find it hilarious that you're making excuses before you even start. How about, if you even can lift to the point of getting "bulky" as you say, you worry about it then? You're talking YEARS of body building to get to that point. Not to mention, the only reason your flexibility would impede weight lifting, is because you neglect it. Do 5x5 stronglifts or something similar.

Kung fu is a waste of money. After ten years, a blue belt in jiu jitsu will hand you your ass with almost zero effort. Go to a real MMA gym if this is the route you want to go. If you don't believe me, find me some videos of a Kung fu master actually beating someone who competes in MMA. They lose almost everytime.




[–]the_green_grundle3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Can someone post some of those studies that came out and proved this, I have a skeptical friend.

[–]iCeeYouP2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Isn't lying a natural phenomenon in women like getting hard is for men?

[–]Coolrubbings7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

In their mind it isn’t « lying » per se, it’s just that there’s things they can’t admit to themselves for fear of seeming shallow.

[–]herpaderpadont3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes. Women must care about how they are perceived. I can’t count how many times I have had an ONS tell me “I usually don’t do this.” Or “I’m not a slut”. Okay sweetie.

[–]WhiteGhosts1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

100% agree, tho sometimes the lack of motivation stops me from going to the gym, my mind makes all these bullshit excuses

[–]Coolrubbings3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

The human brain doesn’t like change. It wants things to stay the same, it’ll trick you into staying where you are.

I haven’t been motivated in so long, but I still get my ass to the gym.

Why? Because I look good naked and want to look even better naked. My plates love it. And I love it.

No excuses bro. You’ll respect yourself more in the end.

[–]WhiteGhosts1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah I'm motivated to go it's just that I have to force myself to go sometimes. The reward will be always satisfying nevertheless

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Don’t lift for whores, bro.

[–]WhiteGhosts0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Its more like anxiety bre. Seeing the same people in a small gym can be annoying. I try to be a social person but u honestly dgaf about other peeps in the gym

[–]hoopingblob1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I've been going to the gym for a year now and I ate as much as I could but I am not gaining anything. I get hungry so fast that I can't keep up with cooking

[–]Rapante0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

This sounds like you're not working out correctly. Too little intensity/volume.

[–]hoopingblob0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Might be that. Alltough I got muscles I just can't put any fat in them for some reason

[–]brownhercules2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

'I am an Indian' - is the crappiest excuse you can give for being a skinny fat loser. You need to drop the carbs dipped in high calorie oily curry and start having more protein rich food. There's no reason why you can't be fit and aesthetic.

[–]Cleopatrus2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Tbh that’s not anywhere near enough. Me and a couple of other high SMV Indian friends noticed that dating apps got a lot harder in 2019 after we graduated college. At this point I’d say most Indian guys need to either gear up or give 150% at the gym to get natty-jacked to get quality pussy in the west now.

Looks like you hopped on test. How did that go lol

[–]brownhercules0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Tried a cycle two years ago. It was pretty great tbh. 14 week cycle and 5-6 weeks of PCT, gained around 15kgs and retained around 8kgs until sometime ago when i had to take a break due to travel plans. Nevertheless, it helped me realise my true genetic potential and i plan on doing a cycle again this year soon. I agee with you. I'm sure their natty test is already low to begin with, considering their crappy lifestyles and poor diets.

[–]Cleopatrus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Did you get bloods pre, during, and after? What did they say? If you didn't you should for the next cycle

[–]Coolrubbings0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I agree.

I’ve heard too many guys adopt that loser mentality and let it get in the way of proper training and diet.

[–]grotness1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Bahahaha fuck this is gayer than aids. Don't think I've ever cringed so hard reading through a thread in my life.

[–]grukalar_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's so stupid, jesus christ lmao

[–]l4w_z0ne0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

5x a week? Just do a PPL, bro

[–]ChanceCancerman0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Grapple/box/wrestle for good training as well. I hit each discipline once a week for cardio and it might not put on mass but the strength benefits coupled with the mental benefits are great

[–]BrownGummyBear0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Bro my abs have gotten crazy thick ever since I started doing jii jitsu 3 months ago

[–]HotHead1210 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah just returned to the gym after years and im going 4 months now. Its a slow proces but i look good i have great genes. And i dont know if women started to notice me but i see them stare sometimes for a few seconds with a poker face then look other way. 6 months ago they werent looking at me at all.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What is people's opinions on alcohol? I probably have 50 pounds to shed before getting to 10% BF. Was 260 pounds and every 20 pounds I have dropped I have noticed a completely different world to how people treat me. I need to get to 10% ASAP. I eat clean otherwise.

[–]sefqef0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

All you ripped folks are making me jealous.

I'm 6' 80kg. Got a bit of a dad bod but the recent gymming has given me biceps and triceps. I'm not attracting chicks left and right just by someone looking at me, but they do get pretty into it once we start talking.

All your talk of muscles is making me think that when I get my freak on with a girl she won't enjoy it because I'm still a bit flabby and not rock solid. If a girl gets physical with me knowing full well I'm not ripped, would she still enjoy it? Someone let me know, it's giving me a bit of a complex

[–]Coolrubbings1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

There’s nothing to be jealous of, you could accomplish this if you tried.

She can enjoy it, but muscle will make her enjoy it more.

That’s it. I like big tits. If a girl has small tits it can be fun, but bigger tits would be better

[–]sefqef0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I know I could accomplish this. And I am trying and to some extent succeeding.

Something inside me just won't accept that if I have game then a girl would find me hot despite the moobs. And I like to think I have game and I can chat anyone up. The moobs are fucking with me way too much

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[–]MkGlory0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

can proper protein intake be achieved on regular diet without funny recipes or shakes?

[–]Coolrubbings1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy


Chicken, ground beef, fish etc.

[–]RPOpenUp0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Women do this cuz they are afraid your smv will become too high and they will lose you.

[–]crypto_sui0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just came home from my second workout today and reading this, wanna hit the third :)

[–]666turbograzer0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I think this has always been my issue with women.
I appreciate it, I understand it. I don't want to feel spiteful about it, but I do.

I am an angry dude. sorry to let my feelings out here, I wouldn't know who anyone e here is, u could all be bots. I just don't know if I care enough. the conservative traditional nature of this sub which I appreciate as mens help, but don't visit often, might disagree with me. I do love women, and I think of them all the time.

[–]Coolrubbings4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

I’ll tell you something man.

I’m 5’9, I’m black as fuck, and the hardest wake up call was to realize that I NEEDED to improve if I wanted anything out of my life, there are no free meals.

Be angry. Use that anger as fuel. Use that fuel for the engine that is your body.

Your body is the only thing that you will ever own 100%.

I was angry at first, when the girls that ignored me suddenly wanted to fuck.

When the girls that friendzoned me wanted to « go out for drinks ».

Anger can be a dangerous emotion, but in my experience, it is the emotion that drives change.

Use it. Channel it. Become a better man.

[–]666turbograzer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

bro I do appreciate your kind words. I understand again, the importance of health and appearance. and acceptance.

what do YOU do when those same people, ask you out?

rightnnow, I cant not hold a grudge. not something evil or violent. I just feel...disgusted by it?

I know I am a hypocrite and relationships, or even sex, is complicated.

extra weight is not good for my body, although there is no way I could NOT improve and add muscle mass, that shouldn't interfere with my apnea, or fuck with my knees which are in poor shape.

there's no free meals, I understand. just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I feel like there always might be an excuse for some broads, I don't want attention from hideous personalities no matter what they look like, or attention from hideous hippopotami.

I know nothing is easy, I know, I know.

[–]FoxesAndMuffins0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm a bit confused because you're acting like you've changed and become really muscular and that the girls are all over you for that, but by the pics you've posted you just look.. well no offense but you really just look like you gained weight, not really muscle. You consider yourself muscular?

[–]Falgo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I approve greatly of the sentiment but I wouldn't advise novices to just go into the gym and lift. You might spend a huge chunk of time fucking around and not making any progress unless you have at least some semblance of what to do. Personally, I would advise anyone who doesn't know what the fuck to do to educate themselves first, I am biased towards Starting Strength myself but there are other good linear progression programs out there. Read first, then put it into practice, follow a diet appropriate for your training and your current shape and you will get results. Keep reading, watch videos, ask questions and lift. Build some foundation of strength and then repeat the process with focus on the next goal you want to achieve.

[–]bringer_of_glory0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You signal beeing Chad, but the way you write and respond to comments is not Chad. It's the basic trp-normie style. Predictable, lame, recycled

[–]bodybuildingdentist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’m stacked and it has been the single best thing for me to become successful in my interactions with women. I feel way more confident knowing I am always one of the most jacked guys in the room. And that confidence has diffused into every aspect of my life. Be fucked jacked guys. It’s amazing

[–]RightHandWolf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This post almost begs for a clip from the Rocky Horror Picture Show audience participation soundtrack. Dr. Frank N. Furter is showing off his creation, and he asks the two normies who have blundered into his clutches for their opinion.

Frank: Well . . . Brad and Janet . . . what do you think of him?

Janet: I don't like men with too many muscles.

Audience: Just one BIG one!!

[–]Illusion9110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Girls don't lie. Look at her body language

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

In other news, straight women rather like a bit of hard penis. You could write a piece on that and it goes in a very similar fashion.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm late to the show here but there is some truth to the statement "I don't like muscles."

Women prefer functional strength. That is, they are able to detect actual functional strength visually. This is because women are evolutionarily wired to have an interest in men who are actually stronger, not ones who are better at showing body fat percentages.

This is why strong men type guys and other "strong fat" types still rope in women but weak men rarely do unless they have good facial symmetry or are "lanky" (tall).

What can you learn from this?

Lift. It's good, even if you're overweight. Cut calories, burn fat, but still, don't be afraid to increase strength. She'll notice. It's studied, and the relationship is linear.

Meaning, women ALWAYS prefer men who are stronger, and NEVER less.

[–]Cleopatrus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dating apps would disagree

[–]shawndamanyay-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy

yeah I don't entirely agree with this. Like 100% of married men pretty much don't look ripped at all. I even know poor guys that aren't ripped that still get women. I think sometimes it is where you look for women.

Now tell me this, would you LIFT 5 times a week or Lift 1 time a week, plus hike 4 times a week with a lady that submits to you (in a good way)? Stay healthy, she'll do anything for you, and not control/manipulate you. It's often where you are looking.

At the gym. NOPE

At the bar. NOPE

At the mall. NOPE

At a dance club. NOPE

Church. Depends on what kind.

Conservative Christian groups. Better.

[–]BrownGummyBear0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

1) unicorns don’t exist, religion means shit nowadays. 2) so you won’t lift as much because you got a girl who’s content with your physique... that’s beta as fuck

[–]shawndamanyay-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

On the other hand, you are lifting to impress women. Who is ruling your drive? I get the sammich and the back scratch. I don't need to lift.

[–]BrownGummyBear0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I lift because I train MMA, getting strangled and having your ass kicked every week by bigger men is an unrivalled motivation. Nice way to project your beta mind on others though, you chump

[–]shawndamanyay-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

If you are getting into a fight every week, I think you have problems. It has nothing to do with alpha or beta. You can be totally alpha and never get into a fight.

[–]_sadboyloko0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not saying don't lift, but look at sssniperwolfs boyfriend. Total fatfuck that still got a hot woman.

[–]RP_Throwaway_4U-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Read the fine print guys, this only applies if you’re already tall and/or good looking.

[–]PhasmaFrank0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So you rather look like total crap? Or max what you have

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Woah woah woah, FIVE times a week? Most ACTUAL bodybuilders lift 2-4 times a week. If you're lifting heavy you NEED rest period to gain muscle.

Rest is fairly accurate tho.

[–]gixxerthouguy1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Twice a week does not make you a bodybuilder.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Is that exactly what i fucking said? Don't take everything exactly.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Correction, twice might be a bit too low but my brother is a bodybuilder and he works out 3 times a week. So 3 is definitely fine. Not 5 or whatever the OP said.

You have to have rest periods if you're lifting heavy.

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[–]revaforce-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

TLDR: Don’t listen to what they say.

[–]Cornelius_Rex-5 points-4 points  (1 child) | Copy

5 times a week?

Twice a day, every day.

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