15yo boy forced to pay child support after being raped by 34yo teacher [x-post /r/wtf]

ParaBDL · 2016-06-19T06:22:57+00:00

The law should not except Nathaniel J. from this responsibility because he is not an innocent victim of Jones's criminal acts. After discussing the matter, he and Jones decided to have sexual relations. They had sexual intercourse approximately five times over a two-week period.

I thought the whole point of statutory rape laws was that they are too young to consent and thus can never be a willing participant of intercourse.

State ex rel. Hermesmann v. Seyer (1993) 252 Kan. 646 [847 P.2d 1273, 1278], held that a 13-year-old boy's presumed lack of consent to intercourse under criminal statutes was irrelevant in paternity and child support proceedings.

Basically they're saying you can rape a man, get pregnant through it and then get money off him as lack of consent is irrelevant in paternity and child support procedings.

Batbuckleyourpants · 2016-06-19T05:59:18+00:00

"Victims have rights. Here, the victim also has responsibilities."

...

"Rapists deserve to be punished. Here, the rapist also deserves to be compensated."

Attentive1 · 2016-06-19T09:15:24+00:00

So let me get this straight. A 34 yo woman illegally has sex with a juvenile. She's convicted of raping a minor in Criminal Court but Family Court deems the minor equally responsible for the outcome (pregnancy/birth) by saying that the minor was a willing participant. Yet the Criminal Court pressed charges on behalf of society because the minor cannot legally give consent.

Let's see:

The male minor had no authority over whether the pregnancy should be terminated. Had it been a female rape victim she would be entitled to a late term abortion caused by rape.
The minor cannot get a job without parental and school consent and at that age it can only be a part-time job.
He can't sign legally binding documents at that age.
He can't legally move out on his own much less quit school
He can't join the military at that age.
He can't smoke or drink alcohol at that age.
Also, legally the 15 yo is both underage and the victim of rape. Why is his identity not protected by the court?

It seems to me that the minors legal rights are seriously restricted. I'm willing to guess that they're restricted because his judgment is deemed immature.

So the idea is to saddle this minor with a debt that keeps accumulating until an unspecified date in the future.

Where are the adults, the good people, that should be stepping up and saying that this is a secondary abuse of the minor? I see the apologists bringing up the rights of the newborn but who is protecting the minor?

trustworthy_expert · 2016-06-19T05:35:27+00:00

This is some straight up, bunk ass, bull shit! The legal precedence here is astonishing, disgusting, and offensive.

Ded0099 · 2016-06-19T05:43:39+00:00

"Is the child's father obligated to pay child support even though he is a victim of statutory rape"

"We conclude he is liable for child support"

So about that male privilege?

cajunrevenge · 2016-06-19T05:59:59+00:00

Could you imagine the shit storm if a 34 year old male teacher raped a 15 year old girl and they not only did they allow him custody of the child but forced the girl to pay him child support. The SJWs would be holding cry ins across the country.

beebeekay · 2016-06-19T11:48:24+00:00

Country A: A woman is raped, and then is charged for sex outside marriage.

Country B: A young boy is raped, and now has to pay for child support.

Hickster1991 · 2016-06-19T10:54:24+00:00

This was almost 20 years ago. Any updates?

BDMR_lurker · 2016-06-19T09:57:03+00:00

It makes sense the judge would uphold the child's rights.

What doesn't make sense is to go against the very definition of "age of consent":

After discussing the matter, he and Jones decided to have sexual relations.

Oh, sure, change "consent" to "decide", and 15 is the "age of decision".

They had sexual intercourse approximately five times over a two-week period.

Not unlike married couples trying to conceive, actually.

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Aren't there cases in the US law where the State pays child suport, because it can't be recovered from the father?

Like the father being currently dead and unable to take calls. Or in prison. Or just legally not responsible, like say, a kid would be.

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Seems to me the judge conflates ruling for the baby with ruling against the boy, because, well, it would cost money, and the State can't afford justice.

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Edit: read a Tribune article, and yes, the decision is wholly about recouping welfare costs, nothing to do with justice.

DaphneDK · 2016-06-19T07:28:55+00:00

It was deleted from wtf. Now it's in a subreddit called ripwtf

Red_means_go · 2016-06-19T06:52:08+00:00

What rights do men, or boys in this case, even have then?

a_posh_trophy · 2016-06-19T07:12:35+00:00

What court was this in? Does the judge have a history of retardation?

lightsolgr · 2016-06-19T11:41:38+00:00

this should be in r/WTF

AztRak · 2016-06-19T07:37:50+00:00

This happened in 1996?

2016-06-19T13:29:06+00:00

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HoundDogs · 2016-06-19T12:17:51+00:00

How about taking the child away from the mother and allowing the father the choice to ether raise him or give him up for adoption.

When you rape someone, you shouldn't have normal rights.

Dick-Punch-Man · 2016-06-19T13:11:19+00:00

His parents should sue for custody & turn the tables.

2016-06-19T12:19:04+00:00

IN 1996! The fact that this case is 20 years old is more than a little relevant.

itstrueimwhite · 2016-06-19T13:45:56+00:00

Well, he shouldn't have had a penis.

2016-06-19T13:52:34+00:00

If he's underage why isn't his name deducted from the document?

2016-06-19T14:01:20+00:00

How can they have it both ways if 15 years can consent and be held legally responsible then why have the statutory law in the first place

lostapwbm · 2016-06-19T14:28:56+00:00

California Uber Alles.

"This State's interest in requiring minor parents to support their children overrides the State's competing interest in protecting juveniles from improvident acts, even when such acts may include criminal activity on the part of the other parent."

zedarian · 2016-06-19T14:37:53+00:00

I seriously cant wait until LGBT divorces and child support cases(adopted children when applicable) become common place. Just to show how fucking flawed the system is.

TheWritingParadox · 2016-06-19T16:32:24+00:00

34 year-old seduces a 15 year-old? Seduces? SEDUCES! It's called rape motherfuckers!

classic0090 · 2016-06-19T17:12:13+00:00

This is the first time I have ever heard of the rapist asking for something from the victim. I wonder if a man raped a woman that gave birth to his child would the courts grant him visitation.

The law should not except Nathaniel J. from this responsibility because he is not an innocent victim of Jones's criminal acts. After discussing the matter, he and Jones decided to have sexual relations. They had sexual intercourse approximately five times over a two-week period.

What the hell? If it was a teenage girl that agreed to have sexual relations with a man he would be buried underneath the jail, ostracized by everyone in his life, called a predator, and have to knock on his neighbors doors to "introduce" himself. But because he is male he knew exactly what he was doing, this woman prayed on a hormonal teenager and got pregnant now wants money. Fucking women.

dalef77 · 2016-06-19T18:17:07+00:00

"It does not necessarily follow that a minor over the age of 14 who voluntarily engages in sexual intercourse is a victim of sexual abuse."

Did this court make it easier for adult males to have sex with 15-, 16-, and 17-year-old girls?

If a male is charged with statutory rape of an underage female between and including the ages of 15 and 17, does this precedent allow him to claim that as long as the girl was compliant, that he is not guilty of statutory rape because she was not sexually abused?

2016-06-19T09:14:35+00:00

you couldnt even find the news article about it. you had to dig it out of a court filing. hahahha. meanwhile we can't stop seeing everyone cry about that stanford guy.

2016-06-19T12:26:46+00:00

This is pretty much identical to forcing rape victims to marry their attackers.

2016-06-19T12:38:47+00:00

Jesus Christ this is fucking despicable.

CantHugEveryCat · 2016-06-19T14:09:00+00:00

He, not his rapist, should get custody of the child. Then the rapist should pay child support to him.

2016-06-19T14:38:29+00:00

Why are we focusing on something that happened 20 years ago? I assume most commenters didn't read that part of the article and are getting up in arms thinking this was recent.

Machnow · 2016-06-20T01:02:11+00:00

"Victims have rights. Here, the victim also has responsibilities"

hmmmm.....yes that same theory seems to be what most feminists say about drunken "date rapes" right????

yeah...okey dokey then....

danielmd92 · 2016-06-19T08:17:38+00:00

Im so fucking scared of this happening. I´m honestly scared of women sometimes with this sort of insane things happening. I also dont know the situation of third wave feminism on my country Colombia, South America.

neon-neko · 2016-06-19T08:10:46+00:00

What on earth? This boy does not deserve this in anyway. How could he even afford to pay them? He's 15 for fuck sake.

RBeck · 2016-06-19T08:39:22+00:00

If I'm reading the right, the lady went to jail but the state is suing the boy for the foster care of the child? Very odd.

2016-06-19T11:58:51+00:00

Roll on RISUG/Vasalgel etc. I'll be strongly advising my boys to get it when they reach the danger years.

oddMahnsta · 2016-06-19T12:17:19+00:00

Does child support fall under family law? If so i hate family law..

Just watched Divorce Corp on Netflix scared the shit of of me.

blette · 2016-06-19T12:21:39+00:00

If a 34 year old male teacher had sex with a consenting female student, got her pregnant perhaps she would not be ready to be a mother. Maybe she would be on meth or something. Maybe after he got out of jail, he could sue for custody, right? After getting custody of the child, could the man sue the girl for child support?

nuesuh · 2016-06-19T13:32:19+00:00

Nothing new under the sun.

redog · 2016-06-19T13:43:17+00:00

Guilty until proven rich.

AllFourSeasons · 2016-06-19T14:24:50+00:00

It surprises me that onlookers are so surprised by this sort of ruling from a court. This is courtbabble at it's best. They get caught up in the need of following rules, and they're inundated with all sorts of people claiming you're not being emotionally understanding enough. That's everyone's claim. It can be difficult to step away from hard-and-fast rules that have existed for many years and then make an exception.

It's a shame that courts don't allow for including interpretation of the people themselves in addition to holding to a set of guidelines rather than blind law.

Additionally, in our society, sometimes the only way there can be national understanding of new concepts is when it's played out in a court of law. I think the reasoning behind what statutory rape is and why it exists really needs to be reestablished publicly. I think there are a lot of people these days that struggle between telling themselves their child is totally empowered to make any decision they come across with full understanding, and being completely incapable of making any decision for themselves ever.

That huge misunderstanding on top of courts general dismissal that male rape exists makes this case pretty difficult all around.

MagicPickles · 2016-06-19T14:26:27+00:00

This is absolutely sickening. What the fuck.

Proteus_Marius · 2016-06-19T14:40:50+00:00

It seems like San Lois Obisbo might have a massive Pb water poisoning problem.

Because the illogical leaps in that document were stunning.

dominotw · 2016-06-19T14:45:23+00:00

this post is over 2 yrs old. fyi.

kneaders · 2016-06-19T15:48:49+00:00

I'm a single father. Personally I don't see how this is any different than trying a 15 year old as an adult for murder. If we can convict them as adults why can't we convict them as adults?

zyxwa2000 · 2016-06-19T16:14:35+00:00

(long time lurker, first time commenter blah blah blah)

I'm sorry, but what kind of ass backwards logic is this? Like... How does this make sense?!?

TheBigShablowski · 2016-06-19T16:40:20+00:00

What in the actual fuck

2016-06-19T16:45:06+00:00

Such anger at this. Flip the genders and it would be jail and money.

classic0090 · 2016-06-19T16:53:32+00:00

What kind of support could he give - even if this wasnt ludicrous? Hes still in high school.

harleypig · 2016-06-19T18:02:10+00:00

The guy would be in his mid to late 30s now, and the child would be 20 or so now.

I wonder how their lives turned out. Is she an sjw? Is he languishing in jail because he couldn't keep up with the payments?

bananapanther · 2016-06-19T18:03:45+00:00

This is a 20 year old case in a state where statutory rape wasn't applied to boys until just two years prior.

I'm not saying it's not terrible but here's got to be a statute of limitations on what is worth posting about here.

2016-06-19T18:21:19+00:00

This makes me wanna cry empathizing with that kid

2016-06-19T19:34:02+00:00

The whole reason certain laws are in place; ie "age of consent" "statutory rape" "age of majority" etc is because at the age of 15 he is not considered legally old enough to be able to make informed decisions for himself. The courts should know this and stop using what he says against him. Shame on them and shame on his lawyer for not doing a better job and making better arguments. His age should be central to their whole defense.

2016-06-19T19:41:40+00:00

Damn this is old. Why didn't someone post this sooner? And do we know what happened afterwards?

Web_Sheriff · 2016-06-19T19:46:58+00:00

Kid had a shit lawyer

LAGreggM · 2016-06-19T20:07:36+00:00

If I was this kid, I'd calculate how much child support he'd have to pay until the baby was 18 and sue the teacher for that amount.

ChaosOpen · 2016-06-19T20:25:06+00:00

Amazing how a consensual relationship between two adults becomes rape because the woman had a couple drinks and "couldn't make informed decisions" while a 15 year old is presumed to be able to make informed decisions despite only know about sex and its ramifications for 2-3 years, less time than it takes learn to read and do basic arithmetic.

elliotron · 2016-06-19T21:27:25+00:00

I don't understand.

Is he 36 now? Is this current news or did they decide way back in 1996 that a fifteen-year-old boy would be motivated to succeed, at all, knowing that he had a child support bill waiting for him when he finished his education.

bettingdog000 · 2016-06-20T01:37:53+00:00

so are we ready to protest in mass to end this shit or are we going to get the lube and just take it?

Devastration · 2016-06-20T02:37:21+00:00

This. This is why I keep coming back to this sub, no matter how much it hurts. I read about these things that happen, and I let it fuel me. Healthy or not, I let this hatred for the things that are allowed to happen keep me going in the hopes that one day I'll find myself in a position where I can fix it.

Daktush · 2016-06-20T02:54:09+00:00

Muh male privilege

Chickenthang47 · 2016-06-20T13:44:25+00:00

It's a disgrace to see things like this still happen, especially to underage boys, and yet women still feel oppressed by society. Will they ever see the irony or will their delusional minds drive men to extinction?

jimrosenz · 2016-06-24T01:17:17+00:00

That is decidedly weird.

jimrosenz · 2016-06-24T01:18:28+00:00

Teenage fathers who have a baby by a teenage mother all consensually are up for child support. The odd thing is that teenagers are normally assumed to have limited abilities to enter into complicated contracts and liabilities.

jpguitfiddler · 2016-06-29T20:45:08+00:00

Not surprised, it's a billion dollar a year industry. Don't let anyone fool you, child support is about the money, not the family.

HotDealsInTexas · 2016-06-19T06:46:36+00:00

Remind me again how men aren't second-class citizens?

2016-06-19T07:21:03+00:00

With this ruling, It can empower those men that rape to sue against victim abortions. The precedent is really scary.

2016-06-19T16:36:02+00:00

It's about time fathers are forced to own up to their actions

/s

Lance_lake · 2016-06-19T23:31:53+00:00

I don't think rape is the right title

basednidoking · 2016-06-19T13:13:54+00:00

Just got out of the twoxchromosomes thread about a girl not wearing a bra to school because of being chastised for it previously and guys needing to stop being as they say "walking boners"

I think woman need to stop raping our boys and pay for their own actions and illegal behavior

imnotgoodwithnames · 2016-06-19T13:55:24+00:00

This was from 1996. I dont think this would happen now.

RaelyBae · 2016-06-19T11:20:30+00:00

I MEAN, it makes sense. It's not like men can be held against their will or anything.

I mean, even though being erect doesn't indicate consent, it's just a physical response to touch, but fuck physiology, right?

BlacksmithSasquatch · 2016-06-19T13:24:29+00:00

During an interview with a police officer, Nathaniel J. described the sexual intercourse as "a mutually agreeable act."

He wasn't raped.

goofball_jones · 2016-06-19T12:31:55+00:00

Wow, he was raped? Forced against his will? How did he maintain an erection if it was forced against his will?

Couldn't happen. So no way is that his baby. I mean, he was raped! It's a violent, ugly act and not sexual at all. Did she tie him down and somehow forcibly remove his sperm?

What a horrible, horrible thing for a 15 year old boy to have to go through. I'm sure he's scarred for life now.

EDIT: Not sure why I'm being downvoted. I mean, a 15 year old boy was forcibly raped by a 34 year old woman and I'm agreeing to that. I'm just calling into question his paternity to this child she had...as if he was forced and raped, as everyone is saying, there's no way he could have gotten an erection and performed any type of sex to impregnate her, yes? So naturally it's either not his child, or she obtained his sperm through other forcible means. I mean, he was "raped", yes?

Title	15yo boy forced to pay child support after being raped by 34yo teacher [x-post /r/wtf]
Author	JablesRadio
Upvotes	5219
Comments	463
Date	June 19, 2016 2:33 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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