Society already has things to make people more honest, it's just unethical to use without consent. Think of how honest and simple people are when they have too much alcohol or laughing gas. They spill their inner thoughts on their own. It's not that the ability doesn't exist, it's the ethics of a government forcing citizens to not even keep their own thoughts secret.
My brother is so terrified of this, and rightfully so. He never ever has casual hookups. Never ever has sex if either of them have had a beer. Outright ignores women who approach him at a bar or a club. I'm 12 years older and it blows my mind how different the atmosphere is. He was at a party 2 years ago and carried a girl who passed out up to a bedroom and slept outside the door because he was drunk and couldn't tale her home. He took off her heels, tucked her in, and stayed outside the door so nobody could hurt her or take advantage. When she woke up, she went psycho, took 5 people telling her he slept outside the door all night. She was going to accuse him of assault. My sweet, chivalrous baby brother took it in stride, came to my place and told me he wished he had assaulted her, with a right hook, after she tried to scream rape when she woke up tucked in bed with a glass of water and some aspirin waiting for her on the night stand.
Agreed. She is tangentially still in his circle of friends, on the fringes, so every great once in a while she'll pop up at somebody's birthday party or at breakfast at the pancake place or something and my brother will hold the door for everyone but her or warn her new boyfriend that she cried rape after waking up fully clothed the morning after she drank irresponsibly. She doesn't get why he is so unkind to her. Insists it is because he is salty she didn't sleep with him. "Victim" logic.
You said you are 12 years older than your brother. Take the girl to the side, explain to her that she was in the process of ruining HIS ENTIRE LIFE because she's an entitled brat with no empathy, and then get back inside and rejoin the party.
She wont change, and even if she understands those words she will see herself as the victim because of your tone, but at least somebody will have said it.
He hasn't. Tough lesson- chivalry almost got him in trouble. Now, I think he'd happily leave a passed out girl on a couch to fend for herself. Also not good. But I'd rather that than him getting in trouble. I'm just glad he was lucid enough to get a couple people to help him carry her and open the door, hence the 4 or 5 people who jumped to his defense. A rape kit would have taken a damn long time to show he hadn't had sexual contact with her.
So sad, isn't it? We were both raised to help when we can, old-fashioned Christian values, but it stings when common sense tells you that doing the right thing can and will hurt you.
I meant more the idea that going out of your way to be kind and offer help is how to be. The idea of not helping was unthinkable. Small town boy from rural America. He was blindsided by how she reacted. Plenty of people raise kids to help and be good people. Was just trying to offer insight or context.
Chivalry isn't dead. Women have tried hard to kill it, but my brother, father, husband, father-in-law, phd mentor and uncles keep it alive in small town America. My brother is way more cautious- but you'd better believe he has learned to enjoy irritating women who think having someone open a door for them or offer to help load a 50lb bag of puppy food is patriarchal oppression. It's his favorite thing.
A few times. But very rare, my brother has 3 stories. All of them targeted at rainbow haired girls who nail the feminist stereotype. He works IT on a college campus, his office is down in the same building as the gender and womens studies faculty and classrooms. He held the door for an entire class as they came into a lab to get an tutorial on Zotero and citation software. He said a few of them got pissy.
A woman did it to my husband when we were walking into a restaurant and he held the door. I moved his arm and then slammed the door in her face
For context- my brother is a Dockers, tie, and dress shirt every day kind of guy. Tall, blond and very straight laced looking. He looks every inch the conservative patriarchal oppressor ;)
I hope guys eventually just stop acknowledging bitches like this and treating them like they were hideously malformed, or treating them like the cunts they are.
This behavior needs to be bred out. Those bitches need to die alone.
Nope, no social media. It was to the house of people who stayed overnight at the party. They nipped it in the bud before she hopped on Facebook or Instagram or w/e. Took a bit to calm her down, but the only thing she posted was about her hangover. Not sure if the other folks at the party threatened to shun her or call her out if she did, but she was mercifully quiet online. My brother's friends are good people. Except that girl, he no longer associates with her, but she is still part of the group- fringes, but she shows up sometimes at get togethers. She did toss shade at him online for "turning her friends against her" but that's about it.
No. The state is responsible for this. False accusation or not - the prosecutor should have prosecuted, a jury shouldn't have found him guilty, and a judge shouldn't have sentenced.
Filing false police reports and perjury are already crimes with their own penalties. She should be punished for that, but whatever prison time the guy served shouldn't matter for her sentencing.
I firmly believe that if someone falsely accuses someone of a crime (whatever kind it may be) and it is PROVEN that they lied about it, that the person should do just as much time as the person they falsely accused.
If someone goes to prison on false testimony that is a failure of the state. We shouldn't be in the business of tit-for-tat criminal sentencing. Rape is a crime that carries a range of penalties, and perjury/false reports are another crime with a range of penalties.
With your line of thinking, every crime should be punished by matching the damage done to the victim. Rape should be punished by rape, brutal assault by brutal assault, murder by murder. That's not justice.
I don't disagree that she should be given a punishment but saying "he got x so she should get x+" is just the kind of thinking that leads to a system of vengeance.
Her case should be looked at, the evidence and state of her mind at the time of the false accusation taken into account and a punishment that would make society safer and help to rehabilitate this woman should be handed out. The same as with any other crime. Crying for blood isn't the right move now or ever.
I don't think that really dispels anything, because we don't know how many of the other 88-93% are false accusations rather than lack of evidence.
It took me years to come to terms with what happened to me, and when I finally gathered the courage to seek justice, it was denied because there was no physical evidence. That limited me to a civil case, where I could basically only prove that my rapist and I were in the same place at the same time. I was ridiculed, had family and friends turn against me, and my reputation and character were attacked.
Consider that there are many cases like mine, where there is no evidence because too much time has passed. That doesn't mean it didn't happen. The last thing I wanted to do after being raped was tell police and order a rape kit. Having that done feels like just another violation, even if it is the only way to get physical evidence. The first thing I wanted was to take a two hour shower and get rid of the clothes I was wearing, in essence ruining all possible evidence.
I was just a kid. I still remember how his dick tasted. There's no such thing as justice. Nothing can ever un-rape me.
You would tell a little girl that was raped that she gets to keep being raped because ‘men are more important?’
You would tell a man that was accused of rape that he's going to jail even though there's no real evidence he did it because "women are more important?"
I never said we should stop pursuing criminals, you're putting words into my mouth. What I'm saying is that it's wrong to punish people based on hearsay just because a case is hard to prove. If that leads to criminals not getting convicted, that's too bad.
How hard is it to just fucking get tested and exchange results first?
I did that for my current girlfriend because she asked me to. Before we ever had sex i booked an appointment with the STI clinic (2 week wait for routine checkups). Apart from blue balls and blood tests which are no biggie, I underwent an incredibly painful urethral swab, so much so I screamed the clinic down.
All clear thankfully but it’s not a straightforward thing to get done, and the trauma still haunts me to this day as the worst thing I have ever physically experienced. Even peritonitis didn’t leave emotional scars like this one.
I have been symptom free my whole life, i was not very experienced sexually, and have always been careful to use protection, I had a high degree of confidence that the tests would show I was clean, yet I still did it to reassure her.
Despite an extensive battery of tests there are things you cant test for like latent herpes, previous history genital warts/HPV, or recently acquired HIV so it’s only superficially reassuring.
Also, despite a serious long term relationship, there’s nothing to guarantee it is indeed monogamous. She has had episodes of discharge since we’ve been going out, and I felt I would have to accuse her of cheating to ask her to get tested, she would feel I didn’t trust her by asking and may feel that I would trust her less if she agreed to get tested rather than flat out deny it. A lot of relationship dynamics that make it not a straightforward thing to do.
I would be very reluctant to get tested like that again, I have an incredibly sensitive urethra, felt like a knife being grazed around inside for several seconds. Even still there’s no guarantee I didn’t pick something up off her since she got tested.
That's an absurd conclusion to make though. I assure you I've had plenty of straight sex without paying and have only been accused of rape when I committed sexual assault.
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So make her a slave?
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No, make her someone with a debt he has to pay.
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Were there a technology like that made I'm sure it would be kept under wraps because of all the power tripping governments that we have.
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Society already has things to make people more honest, it's just unethical to use without consent. Think of how honest and simple people are when they have too much alcohol or laughing gas. They spill their inner thoughts on their own. It's not that the ability doesn't exist, it's the ethics of a government forcing citizens to not even keep their own thoughts secret.
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Yeah, if we got actual articles instead of feel good memes, you'd have your answer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Banks_(American_football)
He's actually a NFL player now
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My brother is so terrified of this, and rightfully so. He never ever has casual hookups. Never ever has sex if either of them have had a beer. Outright ignores women who approach him at a bar or a club. I'm 12 years older and it blows my mind how different the atmosphere is. He was at a party 2 years ago and carried a girl who passed out up to a bedroom and slept outside the door because he was drunk and couldn't tale her home. He took off her heels, tucked her in, and stayed outside the door so nobody could hurt her or take advantage. When she woke up, she went psycho, took 5 people telling her he slept outside the door all night. She was going to accuse him of assault. My sweet, chivalrous baby brother took it in stride, came to my place and told me he wished he had assaulted her, with a right hook, after she tried to scream rape when she woke up tucked in bed with a glass of water and some aspirin waiting for her on the night stand.
Fuck women who do this shit.
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Agreed. She is tangentially still in his circle of friends, on the fringes, so every great once in a while she'll pop up at somebody's birthday party or at breakfast at the pancake place or something and my brother will hold the door for everyone but her or warn her new boyfriend that she cried rape after waking up fully clothed the morning after she drank irresponsibly. She doesn't get why he is so unkind to her. Insists it is because he is salty she didn't sleep with him. "Victim" logic.
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You said you are 12 years older than your brother. Take the girl to the side, explain to her that she was in the process of ruining HIS ENTIRE LIFE because she's an entitled brat with no empathy, and then get back inside and rejoin the party.
She wont change, and even if she understands those words she will see herself as the victim because of your tone, but at least somebody will have said it.
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Isnt a millenial thing, president of the US is 71 years old and behaves that way.
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He hasn't. Tough lesson- chivalry almost got him in trouble. Now, I think he'd happily leave a passed out girl on a couch to fend for herself. Also not good. But I'd rather that than him getting in trouble. I'm just glad he was lucid enough to get a couple people to help him carry her and open the door, hence the 4 or 5 people who jumped to his defense. A rape kit would have taken a damn long time to show he hadn't had sexual contact with her.
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So sad, isn't it? We were both raised to help when we can, old-fashioned Christian values, but it stings when common sense tells you that doing the right thing can and will hurt you.
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I meant more the idea that going out of your way to be kind and offer help is how to be. The idea of not helping was unthinkable. Small town boy from rural America. He was blindsided by how she reacted. Plenty of people raise kids to help and be good people. Was just trying to offer insight or context.
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Chivalry isn't dead. Women have tried hard to kill it, but my brother, father, husband, father-in-law, phd mentor and uncles keep it alive in small town America. My brother is way more cautious- but you'd better believe he has learned to enjoy irritating women who think having someone open a door for them or offer to help load a 50lb bag of puppy food is patriarchal oppression. It's his favorite thing.
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A few times. But very rare, my brother has 3 stories. All of them targeted at rainbow haired girls who nail the feminist stereotype. He works IT on a college campus, his office is down in the same building as the gender and womens studies faculty and classrooms. He held the door for an entire class as they came into a lab to get an tutorial on Zotero and citation software. He said a few of them got pissy.
A woman did it to my husband when we were walking into a restaurant and he held the door. I moved his arm and then slammed the door in her face
For context- my brother is a Dockers, tie, and dress shirt every day kind of guy. Tall, blond and very straight laced looking. He looks every inch the conservative patriarchal oppressor ;)
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I hope guys eventually just stop acknowledging bitches like this and treating them like they were hideously malformed, or treating them like the cunts they are.
This behavior needs to be bred out. Those bitches need to die alone.
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Nope, no social media. It was to the house of people who stayed overnight at the party. They nipped it in the bud before she hopped on Facebook or Instagram or w/e. Took a bit to calm her down, but the only thing she posted was about her hangover. Not sure if the other folks at the party threatened to shun her or call her out if she did, but she was mercifully quiet online. My brother's friends are good people. Except that girl, he no longer associates with her, but she is still part of the group- fringes, but she shows up sometimes at get togethers. She did toss shade at him online for "turning her friends against her" but that's about it.
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No. The state is responsible for this. False accusation or not - the prosecutor should have prosecuted, a jury shouldn't have found him guilty, and a judge shouldn't have sentenced.
Filing false police reports and perjury are already crimes with their own penalties. She should be punished for that, but whatever prison time the guy served shouldn't matter for her sentencing.
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That was a typo - prosecutor should NOT have prosecuted.
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If someone goes to prison on false testimony that is a failure of the state. We shouldn't be in the business of tit-for-tat criminal sentencing. Rape is a crime that carries a range of penalties, and perjury/false reports are another crime with a range of penalties.
With your line of thinking, every crime should be punished by matching the damage done to the victim. Rape should be punished by rape, brutal assault by brutal assault, murder by murder. That's not justice.
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Just like the brutality of a murder shouldn't matter for sentencing?
Victims rights matter in our system. For good or ill.
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Vengeance is not justice. If that's how the system worked he should have gotten raped after his conviction. You see the problem with that idea, yes?
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I don't disagree that she should be given a punishment but saying "he got x so she should get x+" is just the kind of thinking that leads to a system of vengeance.
Her case should be looked at, the evidence and state of her mind at the time of the false accusation taken into account and a punishment that would make society safer and help to rehabilitate this woman should be handed out. The same as with any other crime. Crying for blood isn't the right move now or ever.
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That's a great question and I think with the way our current prison system works maybe we shouldn't be using it.
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That's fucking stupid... and judges/police wonder why people don't respect the law... it's because it's fucking stupid.
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That exists in the US as well. Don't let your roommates borrow your car:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Holle
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Except the stats prove otherwise. The actual number is 6.1 per 100,000. That's incredibly low. Right there from the fbi.
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Only if the victim waits to report it. It's much easier to convict when the evidence is fresh.
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The point is that the whole issue us blown way out of proportion to push a narrative.
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I don't think that really dispels anything, because we don't know how many of the other 88-93% are false accusations rather than lack of evidence.
It took me years to come to terms with what happened to me, and when I finally gathered the courage to seek justice, it was denied because there was no physical evidence. That limited me to a civil case, where I could basically only prove that my rapist and I were in the same place at the same time. I was ridiculed, had family and friends turn against me, and my reputation and character were attacked.
Consider that there are many cases like mine, where there is no evidence because too much time has passed. That doesn't mean it didn't happen. The last thing I wanted to do after being raped was tell police and order a rape kit. Having that done feels like just another violation, even if it is the only way to get physical evidence. The first thing I wanted was to take a two hour shower and get rid of the clothes I was wearing, in essence ruining all possible evidence.
I was just a kid. I still remember how his dick tasted. There's no such thing as justice. Nothing can ever un-rape me.
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Fine. I'll take that over punishing innocent people.
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You would tell a man that was accused of rape that he's going to jail even though there's no real evidence he did it because "women are more important?"
I never said we should stop pursuing criminals, you're putting words into my mouth. What I'm saying is that it's wrong to punish people based on hearsay just because a case is hard to prove. If that leads to criminals not getting convicted, that's too bad.
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California just made KNOWINGLY passing on a std a misdemeanor.
I'd say no sex is safe anymore.
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People suck.
You and me both. I build racecar instead.
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I did that for my current girlfriend because she asked me to. Before we ever had sex i booked an appointment with the STI clinic (2 week wait for routine checkups). Apart from blue balls and blood tests which are no biggie, I underwent an incredibly painful urethral swab, so much so I screamed the clinic down.
All clear thankfully but it’s not a straightforward thing to get done, and the trauma still haunts me to this day as the worst thing I have ever physically experienced. Even peritonitis didn’t leave emotional scars like this one.
I have been symptom free my whole life, i was not very experienced sexually, and have always been careful to use protection, I had a high degree of confidence that the tests would show I was clean, yet I still did it to reassure her.
Despite an extensive battery of tests there are things you cant test for like latent herpes, previous history genital warts/HPV, or recently acquired HIV so it’s only superficially reassuring.
Also, despite a serious long term relationship, there’s nothing to guarantee it is indeed monogamous. She has had episodes of discharge since we’ve been going out, and I felt I would have to accuse her of cheating to ask her to get tested, she would feel I didn’t trust her by asking and may feel that I would trust her less if she agreed to get tested rather than flat out deny it. A lot of relationship dynamics that make it not a straightforward thing to do.
I would be very reluctant to get tested like that again, I have an incredibly sensitive urethra, felt like a knife being grazed around inside for several seconds. Even still there’s no guarantee I didn’t pick something up off her since she got tested.
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That's an absurd conclusion to make though. I assure you I've had plenty of straight sex without paying and have only been accused of rape when I committed sexual assault.
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There is no epidemic, stop being over dramatic.
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