Uh huh... sure.

alecbenzer · 2012-08-03T01:07:26+00:00

MRA: "I'm an MRA because men face problems too."

Feminist A: "Feminism is supposed to work towards equality for men, too."

MRA: "If that's the case, then why hasn't feminism done anything about XYZ?"

Feminist B: "Ugh, can you stop with the 'what about teh menz?' Feminism has its own stuff to deal with."

Feminist A: silence

MRA: "Okay....so, I'm an MRA because men face problems too."

Feminist A: "Feminism is supposed to work towards equality for men, too."

SSJAmes · 2012-08-03T00:20:01+00:00

There are some feminists that believe this (equity) the problem is that feminism itself is a fractured movement, there are so many different types of feminism and it seems to mean something different to each person.

The MRM definitely seems to be a much more unified movement, hence why there are so many new MRAs everyday, while feminism seems to be stagnating.

Gingor · 2012-08-03T00:36:32+00:00

Actually, that looks like some feminist noticed that men are disadvantaged in todays society, and, since patriarchy is responsible for everything bad in the world, it is clearly patriarchy's fault.

AlexFeiton · 2012-08-02T23:33:57+00:00

If it oppresses men, why call it patriarchy?

djwork · 2012-08-03T02:11:45+00:00

We should modify this image with quotes by prominent feminist saying exactly the opposite. I’ll go first:

The thing is, it’s patriarchy that says men are stupid and monolithic and unchanging and incapable.

Under patriarchy, every woman's son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman." -- Andrea Dworkin

"All men are rapists and that's all they are" -- Marilyn French, Authoress; (later, advisoress to Al Gore's Presidential Campaign.)

"I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He's just incapable of it." -- Barbara Jordan; Former Congresswoman.

Quotes from antimisandry.com http://antimisandry.com/feminist-misandry/feminist-quotes-20106.html

zyk0s · 2012-08-02T23:39:53+00:00

It's patriarchy that says men are stupid and monolithic and unchanging and incapable.

But I thought feminists' definition of patriarchy is a system that believes men are the only gender that isn't stupid and incapable like the men? Notice how they masterfully intertwined vague concepts like "monolithic" and "unchanging", which are taken straight from feminist theory.

It's patriarchy that says that men have animalistic instincts and just can't stop themselves from harassing and assaulting.

I'm pretty sure that was Valerie Solanas.

It's patriarchy that says men can only be attracted by certain qualities, can only have particular kinds of responses, can only experience the world in narrow ways.

Who's this patriarchy person anyway? Is that an alter ego of Amanda Marcotte or something?

Feminism holds men are capable of more - and more than that.

What's more than more? How can anyone write this drivel and not get an aneurism? OP, I'm guessing a "friend" of yours posted this on facebook or something like that?

I guess you shouldn't be angry at someone who posts and believes this. You probably should feel the same kind of pity towards such a person as you'd have for a kid with a mental disability who just tore to pieces a drawing by another kid: it's not really their fault, they weren't given normal cognitive functions to behave like a normal human being.

oyezoyez · 2012-08-03T00:17:55+00:00

"Men having their lives ruined by rape accusations? That's a patriarchy.

A legal system that assumes men are always guilty in family matters? That's a patriarchy.

A society that assumes any man around a child is a pedophile? You better believe that's a patriarchy."

EvilPundit · 2012-08-02T22:16:57+00:00

Projection is what it's called. Feminists assigning their own beliefs and attitudes to others.

iongantas · 2012-08-03T00:36:55+00:00

Patriarchy is not a thing. It says nothing.

EpicJ · 2012-08-03T02:00:00+00:00

The thing is, it's FEMINISM that

says men are stupid and monolithic and

unchanging and incapable. It's feminism

that says men have animalistic instincts and

just can't stop themselves from harassing and

assaulting. It's feminism that says men can

only be attracted by certain qualities, can

only have particular kinds of responses, can

only experience the world in narrow ways.

FTFY

otakuman · 2012-08-03T01:31:32+00:00

Did anyone notice the false dichotomy? Either you're a feminist, or a patriarch. And since you don't want to be one of those evil nazi abuser patriarchs, then you must be a feminist. Right?

SSJAmes · 2012-08-03T03:15:49+00:00

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notcaptainkirk · 2012-08-03T00:58:29+00:00

There are two concepts in this image. The creator understands neither of them.

jmnzz · 2012-08-03T01:53:36+00:00

My bullshit detector just broke.

It's gone.

It's done.

Feminism, the bullshitter of all bullshitters killed it.

alphabitch · 2012-08-02T23:27:03+00:00

I really wish this is what feminism was

picopallasi · 2012-08-03T02:13:48+00:00

I didn't find this picture on purpose, but I'll share it.

Kuonji · 2012-08-02T22:21:57+00:00

My first solid laugh of the day. Thank you.

mikesteane · 2012-08-03T02:34:07+00:00

Actually, the poster is partly right; the great discrimination against men is largely due to men. However feminism is behind such men.

__stare · 2012-08-03T04:37:05+00:00

I generally consider myself a feminist and I think that poster is infantile and embarassing.

I subscribed to this subreddit to make sure that I don't get too disillusioned from either side of fine arguments. I just want to say keep up the great discussions, gentlemen.

Cartesian_Duelist · 2012-08-03T00:07:48+00:00

lol genetic fallacies.

2012-08-03T00:33:17+00:00

This made me fall to the floor in pure laughter.

TracyMorganFreeman · 2012-08-03T01:33:39+00:00

I think this is what they're talking about

Of course VAWA, the Duluth model, and primary aggressor policies-all basically feminist policies-all reinforce that even more.

TheBrohemian · 2012-08-03T02:38:12+00:00

At one point, this would have been correct, but I think that time has passed.

ENTP · 2012-08-03T17:44:29+00:00

It's feminism that tells men they are violent oppressors.

It's feminism that calls all men rapists.

It's feminism that tells men their mutilation doesn't count.

It's feminism that tells men to "man up".

It's feminism that tells men their sexuality is wrong and immoral.

It's feminism that ignores men's issues, despite being privileged as official dogma at Universities.

It's feminism that tells men everything is their fault.

It's feminism that gets abused men arrested.

It's feminism that tries to shut down men's shelters.

It's feminism that removes due process from men.

Feminism tells men they are violent, abusive, and irredeemably flawed. Rise up, and refuse to be branded a "patriarch".

2012-08-03T02:12:19+00:00

How do you know you are in a feminist book store? No humor section.

Update: How do you know you are in a feminist book store? No Logic or Reason Section.

AryoBarzan · 2012-08-02T22:50:16+00:00

Lol, looks like some feminists are realizing they aren't going to beat us with the typical 'women empowered' dribble so now they're taking a more 'well, we empower men too' angle in order to help their own movement. Yeah, I'm sure the free-loving eugenics supporting lunatics at radfemhub sure aim to empower us! Reminds me an awful lot of the 'No, seriously, what about the menz?' shit-blog.

HornsandaHalo · 2012-08-03T00:35:18+00:00

No, no that sounds alot like the other word to me.

demiurgency · 2012-08-03T05:07:33+00:00

Does anyone here know a single person who is a self-described 'patriarchist'?

Patriarchy sure does seem to support a lot of bad things, but I can't find anyone who actually claims to support this philosophy.

I suspect it might actually be feminism saying these things about men after all.

munky_quack · 2012-08-03T01:14:57+00:00

Sarcasm, really? This is petty trite and a generalization of a whole movement. Surely this stemming from a quote that was on /r/DepthHub earlier which actually pointed out that /r/MensRights is anti-feminist. I don't understand why you would want to affirm the belief that such an attack was logical.

rugbysuperstar · 2012-08-03T04:00:29+00:00

Is it just me or does this suggest there needs to be an uprising against men... for their own benefit?

drinkthebleach · 2012-08-03T04:00:42+00:00

That's why it's called feminism, right?

Enfenitly · 2012-08-03T05:04:16+00:00

i seriously think the way women are turning out is horrible. This is of course a generalization but i find it really strange how unre4alistic and out of touch with reality women get to be.

rbcrusaders · 2012-08-03T04:38:15+00:00

Very disturbing that this actually makes sense to their feeble minds.

Grubnar · 2012-08-03T03:41:25+00:00

Kirkayak · 2012-08-03T03:43:21+00:00

Substitute "dominator culture" for "patriarchy" and at least half of that poster would be perfectly true.

fondueguy · 2012-08-03T04:59:24+00:00

Is this for real?

IHaveALargePenis · 2012-08-03T05:01:12+00:00

Such a clear and eloquent description of patriarchy. Too bad if I asked 100 random feminists to define patriarchy I would receive 101 different answers. As for how horrible it truly is, Africa up to 200 (or so) years ago was a matriarchy, slavery was predominant and they didn't even have a bronze age and wouldn't have had an iron age (which came fashionably late thanks to the Arabs), in fact they'd still be in the stone age now. But I'm sure living in our so called patriarchy, among the wealthiest 5% in the world, privileged (err, I mean "oppressed") and all is a truly terrible thing.

Sometimes I wonder why the majority of feminists are predominately middle/upper middle class white women, but I'm sure that would be at the very least racist and almost certainly very definitely misogynistic to contemplate. So by all means, continue comparing the top 0.1% of men in the top 5% of the world's population to every woman on the planet. It's the only way you can argue that "shit" is stacked against women everywhere.

Saerain · 2012-08-03T05:48:52+00:00

Feminism sure is patriarchal.

Thecrumblingcookie · 2012-08-03T07:09:40+00:00

I agree completely with the second bit. Feminism does believe men are more than that. They provide a very easy, generalized scapegoat for which women can blame all their worldly ills. Yay feminism.

/s

[Just in case it wasn't clear]

Neurotikitty · 2012-08-03T11:34:09+00:00

It's feminism that believes men need to change because they are all those things that patriarchy says they are.

Fixed that poster for ya

Jesus_marley · 2012-08-03T13:21:05+00:00

it is in fact feminism that is the driving force of all the things the poster claims is the fault of the "patriarchy". The biggest failing of patriarchy theory is the reliance upon the Apex fallacy. The Apex fallacy is the idea that we assign the characteristics of the highest visibility members of a group (men, for example) to all members of that group whilst simultaneously ignoring the near complete lack of in- group bias from those same "apexuals" (tip of the hat to Typhonblue ) for the members of the group they belong to. The Apexual is in it for them and them alone but will benefit the group(s) from which they are able to garner the most power from as a side effect of attaining that power. In this case, by catering to the feminist lobby, which has an enormous amount of political influence. That said, it is from the mouths of feminists that the ideas of men being stupid, animalistic and incapable have sprung:

"All men are rapists and that's all they are" -- Marilyn French, Authoress; (later, advisoress to Al Gore's Presidential Campaign.)

"I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He's just incapable of it." -- Barbara Jordan; Former Congresswoman.

"Retaining the male has not even the dubious purpose of reproduction. The male is a biological accident: the y(male) chromosome is an incomplete x(female) chromosome, that is, has an incomplete set of chromosomes. In other words, the male is an incomplete female, a walking abortion, aborted at the gene stage. To be male is to be deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a deficiency disease and males are emotional cripples." Valerie Solanas; Author of the S.C.U.M. Manifesto.

To then hold those same men accountable for their own social oppression in the name of "patriarchy" and hold forth the very cause of the problem as the solution is the height of dishonesty and frankly, cognitive dissonance.

Froztwolf · 2012-08-03T14:03:23+00:00

Read: If men would just do what we tell them, everything would be better; for them as well.

hypn0fr0g · 2012-08-03T14:44:31+00:00

The idea behind this is that patriarchy is a system that marginalizes groups for the promotion of a single one. Simply because its called patriarchy doesn't mean that men are the head of it. The ultimate goal of feminism, which sadly most feminists misinterpret, is the destruction of that sort of system all together in order to restructure with a system that promotes growth of all groups. Feminism has evolved from what it was in the early 60s, and most people fail to realize this. That is why I am neither an MRA or a Feminist, I promote equality for all.

TubesBestNoob · 2012-08-03T14:50:50+00:00

Now be a good little dog and CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE!!!

ExpendableOne · 2012-08-03T15:08:55+00:00

scumbag feminists: blames patriarchy for negative male stereotypes to shift blame away from their obvious and documented prejudice towards men...

... is also primary, if not sole, perpetuator of patriarchy theory.

Dranosh · 2012-08-03T16:44:36+00:00

I was going to rage about this, but I think my feelings are better summed up as: "Take your feminism bullshit and leave, I'm about to marry a woman that doesn't need your victim mentality and government to succeed, she also doesn't feel the need to look like a man to succeed either. So please, take your patriarchy bullshit elsewhere."

ttnorac · 2012-08-03T16:49:56+00:00

Oh crap! I had no idea is was opposite day. I didn't see it on my calendar....or....I DID see it on my calendar.

Grapeban · 2012-08-02T23:31:52+00:00

Ugh, so even when feminists care about men's issues, you dismiss them? Geez.

typhonblue · 2012-08-02T22:22:12+00:00

Oh man, I suddenly thought that /r/MensRights had a moment of clarity. Then I saw you were being sarcastic.

I seriously don't think you guys understand what feminists mean by "patriarchy."

jackk225 · 2012-08-03T04:28:11+00:00

Could you all please try to be a little less cynical? YES, many feminists are sexist against men, etc, etc, but by saying 'feminists blame everything on men', well, that's another stereotype. That's like saying MRAs blame all the world's problems on women.

theozoph · 2012-08-03T09:40:38+00:00

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2012-08-03T06:59:20+00:00

being anti-feminism is not going to help your message

Title	Uh huh... sure.
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