Do you think the majority of women are significantly more open to experimenting sexually depending on a man’s perceived status/value?

MasterTeacher123 · 2023-02-28T14:20:37+00:00

There was a thread on here which claimed a study that said women are more willing to engage in “risky” sexual behavior depends on how hot they think the guy is. But to me risky is relative to the person.

FlyV89 · 2023-02-28T20:28:00+00:00

I had an affair with a young girl who was engaged to a dude for a m year and they had been living together for a whole four years.

We had a thing going on for an entire year, in which I did to her pretty much everything you can do to (or with) a woman, from anal, long oral sessions, light BDSM, to really hardcore sex like choking, spitting spanking, slapping her face, pulling her hair, sex in the shower, in the car, sex involving food and even "rape" roleplay (I did it just once just because she asked, sex but I was really weirded out by it so it was a one time thing). Whatever. Pretty much everything.

She was a really huge fan of anal and sucked like crazy, giving oral sex was almost mandatory for her, every time we had sex she would go down on me first.

The funny part?

First, she was the introverted shy type. She was one of those anime fans, she loved to read books and wasn't really the average party girl. She was quite good looking thou. She claimed to be a huge whore in her past (I believed her, no shit) and she lied to her fiancee about her pretending to be an inexperienced LTR only type of girl. The guy went out A YEAR with her before they had sex. She loved puppies, wine and was an absolute sweetheart to everyone.

When I asked her once why she was cheating on her partner if he was that great (she would say often he was "the perfect husband") she said "because I love the sex with you, and the fact that I can do with you everything I can't with my fiance".

She never did anal with her fiance, and she only sucked him while he layed in bed, never on her knees, according to her. She said she wanted "an equal relationship", and going down on her fiancee while he was standing up felt "degrading" and an "act of submission" for her, and she didn't want her partner to see her like that.

But she wanted me to piss on her face. You go figure.

Honestly, at the end I was low key disgusted at some of her behaviour when it came to sex, long story short we were in the shower once and she asked me to piss her, really disgusting and degrading shit, that was the limit for me... Then one day she sent me a text sayin' something like "I sucked you off and didn't brush my teeth before going home. X kissed me and asked me if I had been drinking lol". I didn't reply to her anymore. I think she got the message right away because next time we saw eachother in public we barely interacted.

I just hope the dude had been cheating on her the whole time because man, it must suck to be him.

So yeah, basically, a woman can be an absolute slut for some dude and pretend to be a prude virgin for another.

Why they do that is beyond my comprehension, but I Guess when they talk about men having "Madonna Whore Complex" they are just proyecting.

Also, I've met lots of women in my life who compartimentalize relationships like this, she was not the only one like that, thou certainly she was an extreme case.

WilliamWyattD · 2023-02-28T13:57:48+00:00

Two different things going on. To some extent, non-physical traits including status and resources can increase a woman's raw lust/desire level. But sometimes they just make him seem a better option overall and she is willing to make a lust vs. lifestyle tradeoff.

Now, there is literature supporting the fact that when a woman's arousal level goes up, her disgust response weakens--maybe even reverses. So to the extent his charm, status, wealth level are amping her actual arousal, the same dynamic applies as when he is Chad based on looks, etc. She will want to do more and enjoy it.

But a woman may also do more even if her arousal levels aren't being that amped by the high status man, but in this case she is consciously making herself do it because she feels this is needed to get/keep him. How much disgust, if any, she has to override depends on her natural disgust levels or how she feels about certain acts, etc.

BristolTattoo · 2023-02-28T15:27:45+00:00

To all the anal comments … women will say yes to anal if the weenie is small enough 🎤

obviousredflag · 2023-02-28T13:18:16+00:00

if you are Chad she’ll want to try anal, if you’re not she’ll just come up with excuses not to

25% of heterosexual men have done anal sex with women. Is this the bar for being a Chad now?

Would a woman who vehemently denies an FFM threesome with her boyfriend/husband be more tentative to try if the man was more “alpha” or are specific things always hard no’s?

She would be way more up to it, if she wasn't in a relationship with the guy. Because FFM is a competitive scenario with the perception of there being a lot of risk and chance to lose and ruin the relationship. So of course a random tinder date would be more likely to get her to join into an FFM.

Does it make sense for a woman to say “I wouldn’t try X in a committed relationship but maybe I would outside of one”?

Definitely, just as it would with men. Some men are not up to degrade and humiliate their girlfriend/wife in sexual settings, but have no issue doing that with a random hookup. Certain kinks might be "too extreme/taboo" to be shared with a person you want to live a more vanilla relationship. Some things are risky, too risky for a marriage.

Some sexual practices and behavior require a certain personality behind it or it becomes ridiculous and can't be taken serious.

Shame is an issue in relationships. Many people think they cannot be open about their kinks in the bedroom with their spouse.

Notsonewguy7 · 2023-02-28T21:44:17+00:00

I've never been asked to use a condom.

ManzBearzPigzIzRealz · 2023-02-28T17:22:43+00:00

Yes, absolutley. This isn't even up for debate.

If you ever find out your partner had a previous partner/fling who they did all the shit they would never do with you, LEAVE IMMEDIATELY, and find someone where YOU are that person.

vzmal · 2023-02-28T15:56:57+00:00

I think women won’t admit it, but they let a LOT of behavior slide depending on the attractiveness of the man

bread93096 · 2023-02-28T18:42:58+00:00

The main thing that gets people (men or women) to try something kinky, which is maybe a little beyond their comfort zone, is being extremely turned on in the moment. It stands to reason that the more attracted a woman is to a man, the more likely she’ll be to engage in kinky sex with him.

This is more about sexual chemistry than just looks, however. In my experience, as a very kinky guy, the most important thing is to never slut shame: make women feel good about being nasty with you, tell them how much you love seeing them enjoying themselves, and encourage them to be as much of a whore as possible. The main thing that prevents women from engaging in kinky sex is fear of judgment from their partner if they enjoy it too much.

I’ll ask women about the kinkiest things they’ve done in the past, best sexual experiences they’ve had with other men, both because I think it’s hot, and to show that their sexuality is not a threat to me. Once they realize you’re not looking for some kind of celibate nun, they’ll feel free to be much much kinkier with you.

AquaChip · 2023-02-28T13:53:15+00:00

I’ve never done anal with anyone. And I have fucked some extremely attractive men. I feel like a man being pushy regarding anal (or any other sexual dalliance) is a good litmus test on what type of human being he is. If you can’t respect my sexual boundaries then you’re not going to respect anything about me.

Overall_Explorer7158 · 2023-02-28T18:51:26+00:00

It's actually quite easy. A women will like almost everything in bed if attraction is high enough and status/value is one of the big pillars of attraction for women

THHBHStT · 2023-02-28T14:08:27+00:00

From my experience yes. I’ve seen women who magically started hating blowjobs knowing that they were more than happy to oblige earlier in their lives. Their partners aren’t the best looking now either

Same with anal, eating ass, threesomes, cnc, etc. mainly threesomes. Seen plenty of women be more than happy to have a threesome w a guy with some status, these same girls would never have a threes one with their boyfriends. No science based evidence to back this up and ofc people tastes can change, but I think the tastes change due to the partner their with, not due to them actually changing who they are

Doubt you’ll find anything science based that says women are more open to being freaky with casual sex than they are with their husbands. Just not something people will study and definitely not something people will be open about

Edit: Shit condomless sex is probably the best example. Plenty of women will let a rapper, model, NBA player, etc fuck them raw, while your average Joe probably gotta wrap it up

Ok-Put3239 · 2023-02-28T15:33:36+00:00

I was single and I wouldn’t do anal. I had a fwb and I wouldn’t do anal. I went on a date with a man with a push to start car. I still wouldn’t do anal. Idc how hot you are. If I’m not doing it. I’m not doing it. You could legit be a billionaire. You aren’t coming near it💀 And I legit think someone has to deserve a threesome.

Yozora1337 · 2023-03-01T09:15:55+00:00

AF/BB
Nothing new.

DatingVX · 2023-02-28T15:16:36+00:00

Of course. Its the same as general attraction

You have one night stand type men and boyfriend types

Types. If you come across as dominant she might feel more inclined to let you go further than the average mixed energy guy that just doesn't spark a desire to be dominated by

warramite · 2023-02-28T14:46:35+00:00

Yes.. Doesn't take a genius to tell you that women are infinitely more likely to want to satisfy Justin Bieber's (possible fetishes) than Danny Devito's

You already know anybody telling you there's no difference between those two guys is a clown

Mrs_Drgree · 2023-02-28T14:52:06+00:00

My experience with this has been 50/50. For example, with anal, I was never into that but I tried it a few times for my partners' sake within the context of a long term committed relationship. But it's too gross and embarrassing for me to ever try that with someone I've only just started seeing and am still trying to impress. For threesomes it's been the opposite though. I could only do that with someone I didn't really have feelings about yet. By the time I'm in a committed relationship I'd be too jealous to invite another woman in. So that's been limited to guys I'm just talking to or when I'm the third with another couple.

KirthWGersen · 2023-02-28T14:23:53+00:00

It is likely that women who don't live with their sexual partner, and know he has available options, will be keener to keep him sexually satisfied, so as not to lose him.

Competition is a wonderful thing. That has certainly been my experience.

AlastorSitri · 2023-02-28T13:23:04+00:00

If your butthole is a no-no area with a 5, it suddenly doesn't become different with a 10. Compatibility between partners is important for a healthy relationship, if you weren't open to it before, that won't change (and imo actually goes down with age).

The reverse is also true. A woman with a freaky rape fantasy is going to be happier with a 5 that is open (and good at it), than a 10 that prefers straight missionary.

harmonica2 · 2023-03-01T02:40:30+00:00

I don't have as high of value so I can't say on that end as a guy, but in my experience, if a woman is lower value she is more open to trying more sexual things.

Women I know who are really overweight, would be willing to do so many risque things in bed, compared to women I know that are thin, but is this common from my experience?

Sofia_sticated91 · 2023-02-28T13:14:02+00:00

Scientific evidence I don't have, anecdotal I have plenty and the answer is affirmative

Soloandthewookiee · 2023-02-28T14:22:49+00:00

No. Making a woman feel safe with you is far more likely to make a woman open to experimenting sexually.

CimZim · 2023-02-28T14:29:28+00:00

Do women’s preferences and limitations change so drastically depending on the man?

I think they could, but it wouldn't be solely based on physical attraction. Instead it would be based on trust and if he's into the same thing vs being judgmental. Like if a woman really wants to do bdsm but her first bf is completely vanilla, she likely won't bring it up. But then if her second bf is more open sexually, she'll suggest things to try.

Would a woman who vehemently denies an FFM threesome with her boyfriend/husband be more tentative to try if the man was more “alpha” or are specific things always hard no’s?

I'd say if she vehemently says no, it's a very, very good chance the permanent answer is no.

Does it make sense for a woman to say “I wouldn’t try X in a committed relationship but maybe I would outside of one”?

No, I personally don't see how that would work or end well. Not even needing a committed relationship, but a casual one would suffice. I have done a huge amount of sexual experimenting with my FWB...can't begin to imagine doing anything of the sort outside of a relationship/in a hookup. That just sounds terrible imo.

despisedlove2 · 2023-02-28T17:17:47+00:00

There are two things here:

Desire. If this is an affair and her husband doesn't know, she can be as adventurous as she likes. Most women are superficial enough to obsessively seek new experiences. This is the source of "try everything once".
Greed. A woman will be willing to do a lot more for a rich boyfriend than an average one. His worth in her eyes is significantly higher both in the form of social status, and future monetizability.

MotleyCrew1989 · 2023-03-01T07:20:34+00:00

IMO, they are not willing to experiment, they are willing to get used in certain ways to keep a HVM, that they wouldnt allow average joe because he is not worth it.

januaryphilosopher · 2023-02-28T14:14:09+00:00

I don't. If a woman is certain acts or kinks, she's going to want to enjoy them whenever she can regardless of who she's with. A boundary is a boundary no matter who. She's more likely to do so in a committed relationship when she trusts the person she's with (I guess exceptions go for things like threesomes which would pose risks to established relationships). I guess that the chances you'll run into women who are into certain things increase the more women you're with, and sometimes "alpha" is used to describe bossy men who push women into things they aren't comfortable with.

UpbeatInsurance5358 · 2023-02-28T13:34:35+00:00

Nah, it's all about a) whether they're an experimental person and b) if they can trust you.

TheRedPillRipper · 2023-02-28T14:08:13+00:00

The majority of women

No. There’s still a significant level of stigma, attached to sex. Which restricts ‘experimenting.’ That said we’re probably in the most sexually liberated era of human history. So it’s whilst it’s not the majority, there are women who are so inclined.

szclimber · 2023-02-28T15:43:24+00:00

Yes. The more she likes the man the more she wants to satisfy him.

INFPneedshelp · 2023-02-28T15:00:58+00:00

Not me. I only feel comfortable experimenting with people I feel safe with. Feeling safe (incl emotionally safe) is essential.

hari_hbp · 2023-02-28T16:01:12+00:00

I'm conflicted but I lean more into "if you're attractive enough, she'll do it for you."

At the end of the day, a woman decides what she wants to try and with whom. You shouldn't force it out of her.

If one feels like she finds you less attractive because she refuses to do this, leave her. No harm there.

If one doesn't feel like that and has no doubt she is attracted to you, stay. No harm there either.

ziriani · 2023-02-28T16:06:45+00:00

I think sexually rigid women (relationship girls, girls with hangups) don’t abide by this. I think women who would sleep around are exactly as you described

chikiinugget · 2023-02-28T14:37:18+00:00

Some women will do anything to keep a man. Not all those men are “alpha chads”. “Love is blind”. Some men will do anything to keep a woman. It’s not exclusive. Yes some women are like that. Most have standards that they stick to. Majority of very kinky stuff happens in long term relationships because of trust or abuse. Very individualistic.

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KayRay1994 · 2023-02-28T15:49:54+00:00

idk - usually depends on the individual, their general comfort levels, their partner, their internal values, etc

Lanzienator · 2023-02-28T16:42:22+00:00

The guy I've been most sexually adventurous with is actually a bisexual guy. He's super adventurous and likes trying new things. Whenever he suggests something, he often says "Would you like X? I like it when someone does X to me!"

It's a completely new dynamic from what I've had with other men, and it's honestly really exciting. It makes me more open to trying a lot more things, because I feel like I can trust him to understand what I'm experiencing.

Nothing makes me dry up faster than feeling like I'm being sexually pressured. So with "dominant" types (tho I do enjoy being submissive for the right person) I have to set hard boundaries and be extra strict with them, since they tend to be more pushy.

CosmicBioHazard · 2023-02-28T17:24:09+00:00

“if you are Chad she’ll want to try anal, if you’re not she’ll just come up with excuses not to”

Being a man who pretty vehemently doesn’t want to do that, the more I think of it, a more attractive woman would have an easier time convincing me, so I guess the principle applies

I’ve also got anecdotal evidence of women deciding very quickly they want to do something that they’ve since said was off the table, but I’m not a Chad, so I really doubt the main factor is attractiveness, necessarily. That’s maybe part of it

uwuskincare · 2023-02-28T20:04:42+00:00

If a girl is really hot and sort of out of your league, would you let her peg you? Would you be willing to go down on her for so long that your jaw cramps up? Would you be more likely to take her to a fancy restaurant, spend money on her, do things for her, even uncomfortable things...?

It's not that hard to understand, it's just pretty privilege. Also I don't know why men are so into anal, tbh I think they just like the status of it, that a woman would be willing to do something painful/uncomfortable for them and what that says about their value as a man.

-Shes-A-Carnival · 2023-02-28T20:12:18+00:00

the idea that women are more sexually adventurous outside of LTRs rather than in them strikes me as bizarre. I am high n and was very sexually free in a vanilla sort of way, I would have never done anal or threesomes except with a man I loved and who I was actually in an ltr with, I wouldnt have been comfortable enough to nor would I have cared what some ONS wanted. I personally have no kinks or fetishes or fantasies, I like just plain sex, I only ever did things for the men I loved to satisfy them, not because of anything I wanted then again I never had these weird and fictional sounding relationships where I wasn't insanely attracted to ne bf

Relative_Bee8356 · 2023-02-28T21:18:49+00:00

Doesn't hit with my personal experience.

I've had really enjoyable sex with men I wasn't initially that attracted to until I learned we were kink compatible.

I've had insanely attractive men ask for stuff I wasn't into and it was always kind of a disappointment. The person being hot didn't make me any more into it.

I've been more inclined to experiment with stuff I'm not into with longterm serious partners because I loved them and wanted them to be happy or with partners who were extremely sexually generous because I wanted to return the favor. Like if a dude spent a bunch of time making me have multiple orgasms I was more inclined to want to give back.

sparklyyblueberryy · 2023-03-01T05:15:45+00:00

No, there is something called sociosexuality which will modulate the openness, which will vary depending on attractiveness but only within the range of her sociosexual orientation.

y2kjanelle · 2023-03-01T11:50:30+00:00

Sigh, ah yes women are crazy sluts for Chad and are soooo disgusted by their Billy husbands, they won’t do anything with him.

Look, one thing PPD men need to stop doing is applying a basic human concept that applies to EVERYONE, ONLY to women to frame them in negative lighting.

ALL this posts serves to do is to perpetuate hate against women, no ifs ands or buts. Otherwise, this would’ve included men and all other human beings who do the EXACT. SAME. THING.

As a woman who used to sugar (and who’s boyfriend is aware of everything), it’s so stupid men thought they wouldn’t get caught being the same exact way.

Every married man who approached me on the site wanted to do nasty kinky things they “just couldn’t” do with their wives. Married men cheat so fkn much I have no clue why they’re married at all. It seems just pure natural male narcissism that men are entitled to have it all and “don’t need” to communicate.

I never had any type of arrangement with ANY married man because of how horrible they were. They would literally try and pay me for degrading and kinky and nasty desires they had that their wives “just couldn’t fulfill”. Many many many noted their weaning attraction for their wives.

Of course the hotter a woman is, everything flies out the window. He’s convinced that condoms don’t matter (but every man cries on the floor when an unplanned pregnancy happens or stds spread LMFAO), that stds are something that won’t happen to him, and that it’s the “one chance he gets to be with a woman that hot”. All the excuses in the damn book.

Not to mention, we live in a world where there’s more things to life than slut shaming people for doing more riskier behavior when in arousal.

When you’re hungry, you’re more likely to eat something questionable.

When you’re irritated or sick, you’re more likely to rush to get home and drive slightly more reckless.

When you’re tired, you’re more likely to snap at someone important in your life despite that being very risky.

This is a very human and basic concept about arousal and attraction and biology. Perceived threats are lower when you find someone attractive, this happens ALOT for men too. All the time, every day.

I know so many men desperate for an attractive woman, they’ll spend loads of money and do all sorts of stupid, idiotic things the hotter she is.

So, absolutely. Women are more likely to be riskier when aroused or experiencing a lot of attraction for someone. Same way men will risk their entire wellbeing or financial security for a hot cam girl or fuck over their marriage for a young 20 yo versus a woman they don’t find attractive.

Same way people will spend more than they can afford if they really, truly like something. Lots of people go over budget if they find their dream house.

I don’t understand why every human phenomenon that can be remotely negative in some way has to be construed to act as a form of hatred or insult towards women.

I could look into every single one of our lives and find multiple instances where arousal made us act more risky in a variety of situations. Not a single one of us is immune to this kind of behavior.

mikehawk1988 · 2023-03-01T21:17:09+00:00

Women are attracted to men's desires and if a man is secure in wanting something really hard she will love to give it to him.

96tillinfinity_ · 2023-03-02T04:56:22+00:00

I have a different way of looking at it.

I know of a Chad who dated my ex girlfriend and it came out that they made a porn tape where she did some pretty disgusting shit. I can't imagine her ever doing that because I would never have made her do that (basically, I have no interest in ass play or anything involving feces). The story of them was interesting though, he pursued her hard and I don't think she ever really liked him, but he was an apex predator at my uni (the number one "jock"). I guess the shit he forced her to do, was basically his expression of how much he hated her as a woman, a lot of these so called "Chads" ultimately do hate women because they view them as not really being into anything but their status or looks or whatever, and so they force them to do gross stuff.

qunamax · 2023-03-02T04:56:50+00:00

Yup, from my experience directly tied to how much she is attracted to me. The ones that stalked me for years are the ones with whom anything goes in bed. Simply put, they'll do anything in bed just to please you and keep you around. Completely normal and logical. Here and there you might stumble on a woman that is just simply into kinky stuff anyway, but those are rare.

Scarce12 · 2023-03-02T05:39:36+00:00

I think there's a good subset of women these days who have what Freud typified (in symptoms) as a "Madonna-Whore complex".

And that men have to test women for this when entering a relationship:

You need to test how integrated they are regarding sex.
If they act prudish toward sex, that is an indication.
I'd they're trying to hide their past, they're trying to hide their Madonna-Whore complex.

Additional_Speech164 · 2023-03-04T04:49:58+00:00

I’d say I’m More willing if it’s purely lust. Had a 3 way with a fwb. Not into experimenting if I’m in a solid tangible relationship.

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