If men don’t pay for dates are they willing to change their preferences for the sake of equality?

SlothMonster9 · 2024-01-18T09:46:04+00:00

Are you suggesting that men should pay for dates because you like to look pretty? That's some wild take.

MotleyCrew1989 · 2024-01-18T09:55:31+00:00

Women use makeup to compete with other women, no one is more critical of women appearance than women themselves. If women colectively stoped using makeup of all kinds, men would still want to fuck. So yes, if there is the posibility of making that trade, I dont pay for dates and you dont cover your face with some random bullshit.

SwimmingTheme3736 · 2024-01-18T09:32:25+00:00

As another woman I have no issues paying for dates doing 50/50 etc

I want an equal partner and that goes for all things. So how can I say I want to be treated equally but then say you have to pay for everything?

jay10033 · 2024-01-18T09:26:07+00:00

This is laughable.

She makes herself "publicly" available to other men, getting her hair and make up done.

She may look stunning but the way she looks is for public consumption and non exclusive.

But the resources he spends on her are exclusive.

Can you see the absurdity of it all.

A woman gets all done up, takes a pic because she looks hot and then upload it in on IG for the public consumption for other men.

Yet want exclusive resources from the man she is multi dating.

Plus women are encouraged to multi date.

We live in a 🤡 world.

How about we culturally accept coffee dates and pay our own way and man that is paying on dates for modern women is getting finnesed.

CraftyCooler · 2024-01-18T09:25:33+00:00

Actually i've had a wild idea that not wearing make-up and sexy clothes might fix dating market(if it is broken - which doesnt seem to be the case). Because if most women will not differ that much in looks from men, then most likely other factors might become more important.

AI_CODE_MONKEY · 2024-01-18T09:40:33+00:00

Men have an undeniable preference for women who wear make up. Curling my hair is cheap, make up is not ($100 a month), and the prices are raising. Even men who say they don’t like make up they unknowingly praise us for wearing it contributing to our usage of it.

This is a bad analogy, you're not providing with them with a good or service like men who pay for your meals. You're improving your appearance attract more and higher quality partners, it's more comparable to men hitting the gym.

Most men, certainly myself, would object to the expectation that they pay because of the parasitical and transactional nature of it. That's not the case here.

Another costly preference: women on birth control. With health insurance the pills are technically cheaper, but with the monthly cost of the insurance it is cheaper for me to get them at planned parenthood for $500 for 1.5 years supply.

Again, this is for yourself. Men don't get pregnant.

Sharp_Platform8958 · 2024-01-18T18:24:16+00:00

Wait. I thought you did those things for yourself and not for a man? Do you feel like you have to be fake to get a date?

Gold_Supermarket1956 · 2024-01-18T09:28:08+00:00

Also.... Pretty sure you forgot gym membership in there.... Do you know what the actual cost of going to a gym and eating right is? Around 30 a month for the gym membership and another 2-300 on supplements monthly... And 1-2 grand a month to eat the right food and be hitting all your macros.... So we can look good.... And that's just physique.... That's not clothes or haircuts,beard products etc... we can play this tit for tat game all day

RevolutionaryFig929 · 2024-01-18T11:17:14+00:00

Explain to me how northern European, west European women manage, then? (Germany, Sweden, Netherlands etc. and the like)

Ofc, there are also women in this countries, that expect the man to pay, and men that like to pay, it's not a 100 % thing, but it exists.

mrs_seng · 2024-01-18T09:48:53+00:00

I cannot agree with this. His clothes also cost money. His hair gel also costs money. Nobody is entitled to someone else's money. His perfume also costs money.

Yes, men spend less on cosmetics, but this is overall true, not only on the dating scene

pinkScott_ · 2024-01-18T10:19:57+00:00

I thought women did makeup for themselves(?)

Nobody is forcing you to wear makeup

TermAggravating8043 · 2024-01-18T09:31:09+00:00

As I woman I don’t think I’d ever agree to this. Firstly I’m not American, so men paying fir dates is already a strange concept but so is paying for health insurance.

I really think when couples are still at the first date stages, it should be 50/50 drinks dates.

I do agree if your a particularly beautiful woman, it’s usually gone take more time/money to maintain that(I don’t mean that offensively btw) although this is where you might shoot yourself in the foot. The majority of guys your gonna meet, are either going to expect something back for paying for your date, or, they want 50/50 which is great, but then they also expect you to continue looking prefect effortlessly. when they start to realise how much time/effort it takes, they start negging you, calling you fraud, comparing you to other woman, etc It’s a difficult road to find a happy medium

Pathosgrim · 2024-01-18T11:52:44+00:00

No man is forcing you to wear makeup. This sounds absurd and disingenuous. There is no equality in the dating market btw.

SamuraiGoblin · 2024-01-18T10:28:39+00:00

Nobody is forcing you to do anything, but if you want to have success on the dating market, you do need to look as clean and decent as you can, just like men. Men have to shave, wear stylish clothes, look after their skin and hair, go to a gym, etc. Men need to look appealing too. Do you require a man to wear a tailored Armani suit to a date? If not, is it possible that a man doesn't require you to buy expensive branded makeup?

Men evolved to be attracted to female traits that hint at a woman's ability to successfully gestate and nurture a child. Women evolved to be attracted to male traits that hint at his ability to protect and provide. It's not equal, it's equitable.

Because males have no guarantee of paternity and females are vulnerable when pregnant, evolution made men more jealous of sex and women more jealous of emotional attachment (in general, although there is an awful lot of overlap).

So I have no problem with a society where men are expected to show off their resources and emotional loyalty by splashing out on a nice date. But only if they are not exploited, and only if women are equally expected to show off their traits, such as sexual loyalty and maternal instinct.

So which is it? Do we want a traditional society where men are the breadwinners and pay for dates, while women are dependent and chaste, or a more progressive society where things like salaries, responsibilities, power and restaurant bills are split 50/50.

In truth, either is fine for me and I can see value in them both (within reason), but I don't like the hypocrisy of some women who demand equality in all areas except things like paying for dates.

corvus_corax_birdz · 2024-01-18T11:35:11+00:00

1 it's more likely they want 50/50 not to not pay becouse of the rise of women using guys to just get food.

2 copper iud and condoms should 100% be a part of sex until you both talk about it.

Find cheaper products?

jay10033 · 2024-01-18T13:11:35+00:00

Equality has nothing to do with preferences. You would not say if a man prefers promoting other men, then they should be able to discriminate by gender. Or he should pay women less. Or is that what you're arguing?

SillyMushroomTip · 2024-01-18T15:14:00+00:00

Your skin care routine benefits you long term. Your make up you purchase lasts you X amount of time. Getting you hair done is maintenance. This basic level effort for an adult women because really all you have to do for dates is show up.

Women are not figuring out logistics for dates, how the date is going to play out, and a back up plans if your initial plan throws a curve ball.

Also don't be going out on dates with dudes all dolled up and shocked that he brings you to is Applebees or Cheesecake Factory. That's your fault for asking what your attire should be for the evening.

Sidenote: The Men that are not paying for dates must be attractive to pull this off or you know that all your doing with the guy in question is hooking up. Outside of this most Men now will still pay or split the check.

Educational_Mud_9062 · 2024-01-18T16:13:21+00:00

Lol men's clothes that look good and fit cost money. Men's grooming products and services cost money. A gym membership to stay fit and attractive costs money. Being willing and able to "take the lead" or "show initiative" the way most women want in dating comes with a necessary investment of time and effort.

This is some corporate lawyer-level contrived nonsense. You're spending wayyyy too much time thinking about this, especially for someone who's married.

Acceptable-Truck3803 · 2024-01-18T19:13:25+00:00

Unfortunately this is the price you pay to be hunted (not literally) and you choose who wins your time + affection. If you were doing the hunting you would figure out what makes your prey (not literally) want to be chosen by you for whatever reason. Biologically women were always fought for chosen due to genetics of beauty + fertility. no we have clothes, fashion, makeup, and other things to add to “be able to compete” on both sides.

I like people who take care of themselves. I like to take care of myself. Both individuals pay their own cost to the maintenance level that they prefer.
Men and women in a sense pay for birth control, whether that’s condoms or women take oral or non-hormonal options. it’s not quite equal yet but it’s getting better. There is arguably women feel better on birth control, as it aids and other aspects for a better quality of life. But this price would be paid anyway if dating/not dating so it’s moot.
Men also have skin care routines as well. Now the extent of it is up to the person, but some of us do have full skin care routines as well, and it costs as much as the same. It’s not quite as $$$ as you are stating, but the up front cost is there. Face wash, toner, masks, eye cream, sun screen, serums, etc. I know I spend maybe $300 but it lasts 6-7 months. Cerave , Kiehls, drunken elephant, etc.
Believe it out, there’s a bunch of articles and books, which state men would prefer to date bitches. Typically this means not to actually be bitchy, but to take some action from time to time. Plan a date or two, make a schedule, say yes, or no to things, still be pleasant and loving and welcoming to be around (applies to both genders) instead of of just going with the flow all the time.

As a man I don’t mind paying for a coffee date/or low cost dates as we get to know each other. But I’m not going to wine and dine you the first 3-5 dates in. I prefer we get to know each other as persons, not an ATM or credit card. We should be making the choice that hey yes I do want to spend more time with you, not just on what you can provide.

PixelizedPlayer · 2024-01-18T21:35:30+00:00

Skincare is also expensive but it seems to be important to men on the PPD that women maintain a youthful appearance. My routine is roughly $69-$79 monthly.

You do know men also have skin care routines right ? And if you go out with your friends you're still spending money on skin care so why does it suddenly only become a factor for dates but going out with friends is different? Why do you think so transactionally with someone that could be your soulmate but not regular friends? This merely reduces your chance of finding a soulmate and thats far more important to find than friends.

Same goes for makeup - you wear it for yourselves not for men. Or so women constantly keep saying. Most men don't even like women caked in makeup it's all fake to us.

For some reason when it comes to dating you just suddenly make all this shit up to explain why men should pay for it. But you don't apply that same rule to going out with a friend when you still wear makeup and have skincare routines. It's all just nonsense that you have convinced yourself of.

If men don’t want to pay for dates then that is their decision but there is cost to women competing for your attention should you not accept cost to compete for theirs?

If you are uptight about money, you're likely not getting a second date anyway... so your obsession of focussing on materialism has cost you whilst some other girl who doesn't care about that nonsense and just wants her soulmate has beaten you to the punch. Either way the cost is still there.

Plenty women split the bill, even more women don't think of dates in such a transactional way and those are the ones you are competing with. Men will simply string you along for sex if all you're thinking about is some monetary value exchange in dating rather than the main point, which is getting to know someone.

macone235 · 2024-01-19T00:30:43+00:00

If women are expected to pay to compete for your attention but you not theirs, that is not equality.

I don't know in what universe you live in where men don't pay to compete for attention, but it's certainly not this one. No, men aren't paying for make-up and doing the bare minimum by applying it. They're paying in a lot of other ways though like busting their ass in the gym and their career to be a version of themselves that is appealing to women. Most men that are successful with women also take care of their appearance in other ways.

Women don't pay for attention. They sit there and do nothing, and men come up to them. That is not equal, and for one to expect to continue to be able to do nothing in the courting process to the point that a stranger is having to pay for your own food is even more unequal.

The fundamental problem with this entire poorly-thought out post is that you're complaining about having to do things that inherently benefit you. If paying for a meal benefitted men, then most would do it. It doesn't benefit them though. It's just a way for them to avoid getting disqualified for not doing it.

bifewova234 · 2024-01-19T00:41:46+00:00

Women have to pay for all dates now because the feminism

FutureBannedAccount2 · 2024-01-19T01:36:39+00:00

If women are expected to pay to compete for your attention but you not theirs, that is not equality.

When are women expected to pay to compete for men's attention?

Men have an undeniable preference for women who wear make up. Curling my hair is cheap, make up is not ($100 a month), and the prices are raising. Even men who say they don’t like make up they unknowingly praise us for wearing it contributing to our usage of it. Men need to have a genuine preference for women who don’t wear make up. If I chose not to wear it my value on the sexual marketplace is lessened and thus it’s a cost I have to pay to compete. Like men might have to pay a cost to compete such as paying for dates.

$100/month is less than $4 a day. A date is only a one day thing (not even that) so by your logic, the most any man should pay for a date and the 'usage of your makeup' is $4.

Another costly preference: women on birth control. With health insurance the pills are technically cheaper, but with the monthly cost of the insurance it is cheaper for me to get them at planned parenthood for $500 for 1.5 years supply. You have to be willing to wear condoms every time with everyone and come prepared.

Not sure how you don't see birth control as a mutual benefit but ok. 1.5 years is about 547 days which means that's $1.10 a day for birth control. So assuming you are putting out on the date we'll add that on.

Skincare is also expensive but it seems to be important to men on the PPD that women maintain a youthful appearance. My routine is roughly $69-$79 monthly.

Another thing that benefits you but sure whatever. We'll go on the high range and say that's $2.70

Woman are not penalized (being considered undatable, useless or difficult) for taking on a more masculine role to survive. Assertiveness isn’t seen as difficult it’s a tactic that has served us by lessening getting taken advantage of. I can be a respectful person and assertive those things can co-exist. Stop encouraging women to be nice and pleasant all the time. This doesn’t have a financial cost but I keep seeing a preference for “feminine” women but under an equal system that can’t work.

You don't add a price to this so I'll just add a $1 inconvenience fee

Ok so we come to a grand total of $7.80.

So if we go on a date, provided you wear makeup, have good skin, are agreeable, and put out at the end of the night I would at most contribute $7.80 to your portion of the date.

Sounds like a good deal to me.

EricSec · 2024-01-19T04:15:42+00:00

Everyone should have an in-depth discussion before their dates, to determine who has invested more into the date.

They should go through an itemized list, and then compare them, in order to determine the proportion that each pays. The list should include, but is not limited to: Makeup, gym membership, supplements, skincare, car payment (if it is a nice car). Also, whoever plans the date should include a labor cost based on the amount that they make hourly at their current job.

jamacianmecrazy67890 · 2024-01-19T08:05:26+00:00

Women don't do this for men, they do it for themselves. Men generally don't care.
Most men aren't getting sex.
See #1.
What's wrong with wanting someone nice?

BlueParsec · 2024-01-19T22:32:48+00:00

The first 3 things are things that women do to compete with each other for the best mate. I didn't understand #4.

Claiming they do it for men is nothing but blatant gaslighting.

Just the same, men that don't pay for dates should not have the expectation that they should be considered the same as a man that does pay for dates.

Men aren't asking you to look at men that pay for dates and don't pay for dates as bringing the same thing to the table...

DarayRaven · 2024-01-18T11:57:13+00:00

This sounds like an OF chick

KratosGodOfLove · 2024-01-18T17:24:51+00:00

I have posted on here that men should not pay for dates. But the full story is, I don't think it's unreasonable for men to pay for the first couple of dates.

With that being said, I don't think OP points are reasonable.

- OP is listing out the monthly costs of her supplies. But why is she listing them out like a man is responsible for paying for her monthly supply? He's just going out with her for 1 or 2 dates. It doesn't seem unreasonable to split the costs like that
- Some men have skincare routines or other health routines. Are women expected to pay for that as well?
- Women sound so ridiculously cheap and stingy when they start listing out items that they are paying for and expecting men to pay. That's literally the definition of keeping tabs, which is literally what women often criticize men for.
- I don't see the point of number 4 of OP's post. This has to do with paying for dates?

boom-wham-slam · 2024-01-18T09:55:09+00:00

I only pay for women who are unemployed or minimally employed or who show up ultra feminine and I have not fully determined their employed status.

The whole point of paying is because women used to not be able to work. I'm not paying for some skank who makes $40k+ per year to eat a nice steak out. Fuck that. A college student sure, 18 year old who lives with parents sure. That's worth paying for.

DumbWordsmith · 2024-01-18T10:01:45+00:00

I preferred my last GF without makeup; she preferred wearing makeup.

Women choose to do that shit. It's a hobby.

and not having to be told

Or, you know, women could just refuse to sleep with guys who don't want to wear condoms. That's always an option.

MidoriEgg · 2024-01-18T14:59:30+00:00

$100 a month On makeup!? What are you using? I use MAC/Charlotte Tilbury which aren’t cheap brands but I don’t think I spend more than £5 most months. Foundation is the most expensive and that usually lasts a long time. I guess if you get lash extensions those can be expensive, the first one is normally £60-ish but then it’s only like £30 for monthly infills.

Do you get your makeup done professionally regularly?. (Not being mean, just not sure how you can spend that much on makeup)

Throwwaway4970 · 2024-01-18T09:24:39+00:00

If pay for a date if I desire so. Because first date is always a drink I always pay for it. If she is a student I obviously will almost always pay on the dates. For more expensive things like dinner I can pay too if she is worth of that.

MiddleZealousideal89 · 2024-01-18T18:11:22+00:00

You can just not do those things if you don't like doing them, and if you think the expenses aren't worth the end ''prize'' (a guy). Same way a guy can just stop paying for the entire date if he doesn't think the ''prize'' is worth it (the possibility for sex). Now, if a guy demands you look like a runway model or no date, cool, demand he pay for dinner then but I'd personally just tell him to kick rocks if that's not my thing.

redeye_pb · 2024-03-24T13:40:23+00:00

That makes zero sense.

You are responsible for 100% of your own adult life. You decided that was your costume. Nobody owes you anything.

What a weird thing to do. Itemize how much it costs for you to make an appearance in your own life.

Equality, right?

Jazzlike_Worth_9908 · 2024-04-19T10:09:51+00:00

I have always defended the idea of showing up in a casual look for a first date. The look you’re willing to maintain in the everyday life. Second date is for the big game.

I have always split the bill during my dates. I believe it’s more a cultural thing, in France it’s vastly accepted and often prefered. That way women dont feel like they owe the man anything and it’s saying no from the get go to bullshit ass gender dynamics and double standards.

About making men pay for women’s beauty expenses, i dont find any justification for it. It’s easier in France to say so since birth control is free and our women dont wear 1/10th of the makeup american/english women wear. I can also argue that men have to’feed themselves with 50 to 100% more food per day which is a big cost too. But that’s only if we play at dissecting gender differences which imo becomes quickly a silly thing to do

(Yeh i got curious about your profile :p )

untamed-italian · 2024-01-18T19:26:02+00:00

I have been seeing a lot of posts regarding men not wanting to pay for dates, after consideration I think there are certain conditions that would need to change.

Why do you give a fuck OP, you're supposed to be married already.

If women are expected to pay to compete for your attention but you not theirs, that is not equality.

Splitting dates means both pay, which is equality.

1) Men have an undeniable preference for women who wear make up.

No, the cosmetic industry just needs women to believe we do. Most men do not care, and many men actually dislike makeup.

Even men who say they don’t like make up they unknowingly praise us for wearing it contributing to our usage of it.

Men cannot have our own thoughts and feelings, no see because we're too stupid and clueless to have our own preferences. The cosmetics industry knows what men want better than men do!

If I chose not to wear it my value on the sexual marketplace is lessened and thus it’s a cost I have to pay to compete.

This can be said about anything. YOU feel like you need makeup to compete, and you are willing to pave over the actual preferences of men to reassure yourself this is true.

SecondEldenLord · 2024-01-18T10:11:21+00:00

Most men prefer natural women with no makeup. And let's say that just because she pays to look good on the date for him, the man has to work many many years on himself to become the man worthy of taking that woman out, whether that's going to the gym ( gym memberships cost money ), having status, having a car, buying expensive clothes, buying an expensive watch, grooming every 2 weeks, investing in himself to get out there and be more confident, and in order for the man to have experience in dating and confidence, he must have a few more dates in his roster. So yeah, it's not just the woman investing in herself, it's the man too and if the man is expected to be traditional, then the woman should be too which means: low body count, not talking with any other guys, knows how to cook and clean, feminine, etc.

Nellylocheadbean · 2024-01-18T13:00:17+00:00

I think it’s fair that men don’t want to pay for dates, they just have to accept the outcomes that come with it. If you want an attractive woman, she’s more than likely gonna expect you to pay for the date.

Considering she’s attractive she’ll just find another man willing to pay for her. That’s the beauty of the dating market, you don’t have to put up with things you don’t want to.

Adorable_sor_1143 · 2024-01-18T09:56:56+00:00

This again! Be he by generous! It doesn't have genders.

If you are invited for the pleasure of their company then pay. It shows appreciation

Just that easy If you can't pay then shared

obviousredflag · 2024-01-18T09:58:20+00:00

If men don’t want to pay for dates then that is their decision

Thanks! I'll keep splitting bills and expect my time and resources are valued and respected, just as i respect and value the other person's input and effort.

Makeup is a choice to increase your desirability on the mating market. Just as is paying for dates. If you or men don't do it, they will have to be content with lower desirability parterns than they could get by offering resources by paying for dates/becoming more beautiful with makeup. So don't treat it as a baseline level that you NEED to put into. You don't. You want, because it increases the chances with the men you desire. It's for your own view of yourself in the social hierarchy.

I choose to not pay for dates, and i accept that this can lead to women not being interested in me. I prefer to be desired for what i am, not what i offer financially to someone.

Planthoe30 · 2024-01-18T17:52:28+00:00

Y’all are having sex on like the first date without a condom 😩😩😩😩

Gold_Supermarket1956 · 2024-01-18T09:24:01+00:00

Lol you have some shitty insurance lol mine pays for all that for free

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wtknight · 2024-01-18T13:44:02+00:00

Men have an undeniable preference for women who wear make up.

Yeah, I just wouldn’t pay for dates for women who insist upon me paying because she insists upon wearing makeup. Men can exercise their free choice like that if they truly prefer women without makeup.

You have to be willing to wear condoms every time with everyone and come prepared.

I’ve already done this. It’s safer for not catching STDs, as well.

Skincare is also expensive but it seems to be important to men on the PPD that women maintain a youthful appearance. My routine is roughly $69-$79 monthly.

Men pay for their own personal appearance, too. Only makeup is really a unique expense for women.

Stop encouraging women to be nice and pleasant all the time. This doesn’t have a financial cost but I keep seeing a preference for “feminine” women but under an equal system that can’t work.

This doesn’t have anything to do with money.

Mr_Chad_Thunderpenis · 2024-01-18T16:01:45+00:00

This assumes that a woman would be willing to go on a date with any guy, as long as he is willing to pay the bill. That's quite simply not the case and the whole argument falls apart. For a guy to be considered at least somewhat desirable, in the vast majority of cases he has to put in quite a bit of effort in quite a few areas. And all of those things cost either money or time. Is the woman going to reimburse him for his efforts as well?

thetruthishere_ · 2024-01-18T16:51:24+00:00

I dont factor any of this when dating. I wear makeup and take care of my skin because I want to. I wear makeup going to dinner with my parents, should I change my parents to 'look pretty'? I wear it hanging with friends so I charge them too? I wear it to work, should I charge my boss?

I may spend $100 in 6 months on makeup and its mostly mascara.

My skin care costs the most for the year and really its not that much as I dont pay for over priced skin care when a more inexpensive one works just as good.

2024-01-19T19:35:53+00:00

I think this all boils down to skill issue. Men like pretty women. Some women need makeup to look pretty. If you can't meet the standard, you can't meet the standard. A man who is short unfortunately can't meet the standard of many women. That's just how you were born. You Were born needing makeup to look pretty enough to meet men standards. It's time to grow up and get over it. You'll never be that girl who doesn't need makeup. Yes they do exist.

Sudden-Musician9897 · 2024-01-20T16:31:27+00:00

Your whole thing is how expensive it is to wear makeup and skincare and nice clothes, but honestly I didn't ask you to do any of those things.

I would be happy to just see you as you are without extra face paint.

It's like me saying that you need to pay for my meal and drinks, because I spent a lot of money traveling to be able to tell you interesting and entertaining stories over drinks

leNomadeNoir · 2024-01-20T22:24:27+00:00

Better invest these money to therapist and cooking courses.

reignoferror00 · 2024-01-21T01:20:15+00:00

If looks and makeup are now of secondary or little importance to me, and I've had a vasectomy and use condoms, are you now more attracted to and willing to have sex with average middle aged old me?

Are you willing to change your preferences for the sake of equality?

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JollyRoger66689 · 2024-01-23T01:00:44+00:00

If you think you need make up to look better you consolation for that would be who you attract, not what those you do should do for you. If it helps you get a better locking man or higher in whatever aspect you want then it seems greedy to also suggest the man should pay for it.

Mahlah_Maldau · 2024-01-24T04:42:08+00:00

Skincare, birth pills, make up that is all you're doing for yourself not men. I've been on dates where the girl showed up in frizzy hair and hoodie and it didn't change one bit about her or the date. I or any man doesn't demand a woman to dress for them they show up like they choose to. There is a dating rule in S.Korea that if both liked the date, the woman would allow the man to pay full, if a woman didn't like the date, she'll ask for splits and vice versa. If you think that you are doing all this for the date so we should pay for it, then we men too do a lot, fuel cost, cologne cost, Grooming cost and more.

2024-01-31T14:50:09+00:00

So much of this is a crazy assumption. Very first, you talk about women having to pay to compete for MY attention. Buying makeup and all the rest of that crap isn't competing for my attention, its trying to increase your appeal to all men, and increase competition for YOU.

Furthermore, A date is about sharing an experience, getting to know each other etc. Both people should pay for half this experience.

Third, no, not all guys like makeup. Its not what you actually look like, the entire thing seems low consciousness and fake, its bad for your skin, the combination of makeup and expensive skincare products does not make you more attractive to me at all, its a grift you have fallen for, and thats not my fault. This addiction is, rather than something valuable I would be willing to pay for, is a liability to actually date you, because you'd someone who wastes money and falls for marketing lies. Not all women need makeup.

I'm a man who consistently gets told I look younger than my age, and I'm out in the sun all the time, never wear sunblock, and theonly skin care i ever do is dr bronners and baking soda. The reason is, healthy living, being fit and eating healthy, and not losing your sense or joy or wonder, are far more important to giving off a 'youthful' vibe to men.

Title	If men don’t pay for dates are they willing to change their preferences for the sake of equality?
Author	Planthoe30
Upvotes	0
Comments	275
Date	January 18, 2024 9:05 AM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/199ly3z/if_men_dont_pay_for_dates_are_they_willing_to/
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